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[Q] Noob's question regarding storages types

Hi and thank you for your patience
When I enter the "Quick system info" app I see that I have several storages.
Can someone please explain what are the uses for the following 2 storages?
System storage - I have 68MB free out of 250. Is t normal ?
Internal storage – 129 MB free out of 148.
Another question.
When I enter the "Processes" tab I see that every process take about 20MB is it ok ?

First of all why would you ask if it's normal? Doesn't it seem that your phone has problems, does it run crappy?
The system partition is the partition on which your system is installed and if you are not S-off can only be accessed in recovery.
The internal memory is the data partition, that is where all the apps are installed.
I don't know about the required free space on system, but if you did not remove any pre installed apps just leave it, it's fine. If you did remove pre installed apps you can move some apps form /data/app to system/app to save some space on the internal memory, but in your case that isn't necessary because you still have 129 Mb free.
About the processes, it's all fine except if you experience heavy lag, than you might need a task killer and use it every once in a while.

[Q] Taskmanager only shows 380 MB ...

If I look to the specs it says: 512 MB RAM. But the Taskmanager shows only 246 MB Used + 119 MB free = 365 MB
What is the reason?

The balance is used for the cached background process

ckpv5 said:
The balance is used for the cached background process
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Running apps - press home button - show cached processes = there lies the rest of the ram

1ceb0x said:
Running apps - press home button - show cached processes = there lies the rest of the ram
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A little bit different for One V:
Running apps - press Menu - show cached processes = there lies the rest of the ram

ckpv5 said:
A little bit different for One V:
Running apps - press Menu - show cached processes = there lies the rest of the ram
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yeah. my mistake. it's the same here.

Still I don't understand it ...
If I go in Running Apps, I can see at the buttom 230 MB used, 155 MB free. And it shows me how much is used by the running apps and how much by cached processes. But in every aspect I cant see 512 MB. It's only 364 MB.
I can't understand it. Where are the missed 148 MB?

What about internal storage ?
In phone specifications says: Storage 4 GB Total / up to 10 GB...but in Settings > Storage, says: Total space 0.94 GB (Apps 113 MB; Availabile 847 MB).
Regards !

braunie said:
If I go in Running Apps, I can see at the buttom 230 MB used, 155 MB free. And it shows me how much is used by the running apps and how much by cached processes. But in every aspect I cant see 512 MB. It's only 364 MB.
I can't understand it. Where are the missed 148 MB?
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Dude!
230 + 155 + THE CACHED PROCESSES WHICH ARE 127 MB = 512 MB!
The memory isn't a fixed allocation. So it is cycling at every second.
You HAVE 512 MB. You don't have a weird phone, replica, bad phone. It doesn't need any reparation.
You surely need to have, an Einstein brain to calculate these values and to understand how the memory is working. And I am sarcastic now!
@Dimitar: My guess is that the 3gb internal storage is used by the OS itself - for a smoother performance. It maybe has a boost in RAM from the internal memory - something we call cache. Cache can be used for scrolling (scrollingcache), cache applications and so on. So maybe Htc decided to lock the 3gb for the user and to be available only for rom install.
But if we change the rom with a custom one, I guess that we can unlock that free memory...

Calm down. I don't think that I have a broken HTC One V or something like that. I just want to understand. And in the taskmanager it does not show 512 MB. This is confusing. So no reason to become angry ...

1. The One V does have 512mb RAM. Its allocated to running/cached services.
2. It also does have 4GB Internal Memory. But 3GB of it are partitioned to reserve for the ROM. So it only come out as 0.94GB for Apps and 95.23MB for Phone storage.

Slinkee said:
1. The One V does have 512mb RAM. Its allocated to running/cached services.
2. It also does have 4GB Internal Memory. But 3GB of it are partitioned to reserve for the ROM. So it only come out as 0.94GB for Apps and 95.23MB for Phone storage.
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Yes, and if you have a custom rom, you can change the internal memory to be more for the user. Scripts are everywhere in this forum.

Remaining are cached memory. In my hox it shows only 976mb. but remaining were used by cache. so no need to worry.

1ceb0x said:
Yes, and if you have a custom rom, you can change the internal memory to be more for the user. Scripts are everywhere in this forum.
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Give me a link for that hboot thing which changes sizes....I will create a patched hboot...for people who want it...
Sent from my HTC One V using XDA

Program storage full

hey all
well y HOX has about 15 gig free on the storage... but the internal storage is full.or about to be..
apps about 300 Mb. And then it shows "other" about 6 gig!
wich leves me with about 200 mb free...
i have moved all apps to phone memory.
but how do i access that partiton wichs is nealy full ?
i want to see whay the "other" 6 gig is...and delte some of it.
i am running newest viper venom / 3.7.7
Thanks

intercode said:
hey all
well y HOX has about 15 gig free on the storage... but the internal storage is full.or about to be..
apps about 300 Mb. And then it shows "other" about 6 gig!
wich leves me with about 200 mb free...
i have moved all apps to phone memory.
but how do i access that partiton wichs is nealy full ?
i want to see whay the "other" 6 gig is...and delte some of it.
i am running newest viper venom / 3.7.7
Thanks
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'App Storage' as displayed by Sense is an accumulation of the TOTAL available space as distinct from 'Phone Storage'.
It includes ALL installed files and their associated data including the entire ROM and it's built-in apps, which is what occupies the 'Other' heading. Reserved space, like the unused part of /system and /cache, are counted as USED space in the Storage app. This is part of the reason 'Other' is so big.
You can reduce the usage of 'Other' by using ROMCleaner or Titanium Backup to remove those pre-installed apps you do not want/need.
But there is a limit to what can be done. Be careful not to uninstall anything necessary for the system to operate properly.
As for user-installed apps, post-ROM installation, they are allocated to the 2GB /data partition.
You can also use Titanium Backup to install apps to /system, making use of the slack space in that partition.
Titanium Backup can also be used to move these apps to SD, which in the HOX's case is just as fast as the other partitions since it has no seperate SD card.
EDIT: It's ALSO worth pointing out that there is NO clear documentation or official word from HTC about what exactly 'Other' is or why it occupies so much space. There have been MANY discussions about this, in this very forum (search is your friend BTW)...so the above is best-guess and trial and error.

Thank you for your detailed reply !
i will start looking into it right away!
thank you again!
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64GB Storage space Query ?

Hello,
Disk info app, shows this info about my OP3's 64 GB Storage space:
Cache: 256 MB (13.7 used, 242 MB Free)
Data: 53.6 GB (35.9 GB used, 17.7 GB Free)
System: 2.9 GB (1.7 GB used, 1.3 GB Free)
/bt_firmware: 1023 MB Free
TMPFS Mount Points:
/dev: 2.8 GB Free
/mnt: 2.8 GB Free
/sbin: 2.8 GB Free
& Multiple partitions (named sde.....) of 256 KB to 64 MB each.
ES File Explorer app shows:
Total: 52.67 GB
Used: 18.35 GB
Available: 17.72 GB
TWRP shows:
System: 1600 MB
Data: 14388 MB
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My Query is:
1. Is it Normal, for Data to take this much space ?
2. Why can't i see the 17.55GB of missing Used Space ?
35.9 GB (Disk Info) - 18.35 GB (ES File Explorer)

Maybe you've messed up with encryption?
When I decided to remove stock encryption and force it with custom rom, only 24 GB of storage were shown.
According to my experience, in this case you've to:
1) Put device in TWRP (be sure to use latest version);
2) Wipe all partitions;
3) Install latest ADB on PC;
4) Put device in Bootloader Mode and plug it to PC;
5) Type from Terminal fastboot format userdata and wait until it ends;
6) Go back to TWRP and now install latest OxygenOS full firmware (stock or open beta it doesn't matter);
7) Do a first boot with OOS: maybe there's a dialog about device encryption, confirm that;
8) Now your storage space would be fixed.
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G5 system over 9GB...?

A friend has a G5 16GB storage 3GB RAM Amazon special. She started receiving "low storage" messages recently, and Disk Usage shows that her system data is well over 9GB with a few MB left free. I have no idea where the rest of it is. She claims not to have too many apps (she's not a propellorhead, so I believe her), she has deleted all onboard photos (now in Google Photos), and needs the few apps she has.
I think 9GB is too much for System. Can anyone tell me typical system space usage, and maybe suggest how to free up whatever is hogging the space, short of a factory reset, which as a non-propellorhead she refuses to do?
(She's 200 miles away, which makes it hard for me to diagnose too.)

Could be anything but if she uses apps like whatsapp then media that is sent and received is stored on the device but will not show in a gallery app as it contains a nomedia file
manually look in whatsapp/media folder on internal storage
Same for alot of other apps
You will just have to browse the apps - look at their data use and folders on internal storage
Can also just clean the cache

Thanks - good tip. It looks like a long Skype session coming up...

I have version 2 + 32 and when I had Android 7.0 I was dialing 8GB of the system, then I updated to Android 8.1 and it doesn't say how much it weighs but it released me 1GB, That is, if you have Android 8.1 it weighs 7GB and if you have Android 7.0 it weighs 8GB

same issue
Hi,
I'm having the same issue on my Moto G5 (16 GB storage, 3 GB RAM). The information about how much disk space is used doesn't fit the total of all the stored data. In detail here are the different values and where i got them from:
Android / Settings / Storage: 14.95 GB used of 16 GB
X-plore
Internal shared storage: 996 MB free of 10 GB; size of all the data in this folder: 4.65 GB (which is almost all from WhatsApp)
Root: 996 MB free of 10 GB; size of all the data in this folder: 160.2 GB (doesn't make much of a sense...)
TWRP / Wipe / Advanced Wipe: by selecting a partition and tapping "Repair or Change File System"
System: Size: 3243 MB, Used: 1686 MB, Free: 1557 MB; File system: ext4
Data: Size: 10267 MB, Used: 3640 MB, Free: 1186 MB; File system: f2fs
Internal Storage: can't be selected
This issue occured since the first clean install of LineageOS 14.1 (LOS 15 wouldn't work then). After a clean install of LOS 16 there was no significant change, free space did increase a little bit, probably due to cache wipe. So far I managed to live with the issue but from time to time I'm getting low storage messages and I have to delete data even though there should be enough space.
Does anyone have an idea why these numbers won't fit or how to get back the remaining amount of strage?

Each one will give a different size because they take different partitions into account
Eg android settings will probably take system data & cache partitions and add these all together to give a total size
TWRP will split each partition into its own size
And so on
Some "free space" will not actually be free space but will be reserved for system use
On average you will need about 800mb of free space as reported by android system settings to be able to update/install new apps
The biggest issue is system apps - when these get updated the system apk doesn't get updated. Instead the updated apk gets installed to the data partition tus you actually have two of the same app installed. One is the system app & the updated version in data.
This is good if you ever have issues and need to roll back to the system installed version but many users don't and it just takes up probably another 2gb of storage
Now you can either replace the system app with the one in data or you can remove the app entirely & reinstall just to data - Obviously each method requires root & can brake stock ota updates etc
Or if you are using a custom rom install the minimum amount of gapps for functionality (eg nano gapps) instead of stock gapps & manually install any other required apps
Other than that there's nothing you can do except clear cache & keep a check on apps that download media such as WhatsApp & delete that media from its folder in internal storage

As the original poster I can only add what I have found out. Since the phone was a remote one I had no direct access, but my friend went to a local Android specialist who diagnosed that her missing memory was caused by photos. When the photos were deleted from the phone, but kept in the cloud, her memory usage dropped to acceptable levels. I have no idea why local photos would count as system storage.

dahawthorne said:
As the original poster I can only add what I have found out. Since the phone was a remote one I had no direct access, but my friend went to a local Android specialist who diagnosed that her missing memory was caused by photos. When the photos were deleted from the phone, but kept in the cloud, her memory usage dropped to acceptable levels. I have no idea why local photos would count as system storage.
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As mentioned in previous post it depends what the app deems system storage - usually it combines all internal partitions like it does in system settings storage
Unless you use a root app or twrp that can read and access individual partitions I would take system storage as a combined total of all usable internal partitions - so images would make up this total on internal storage which is why I mentioned whatsapp media

I resolved the out of space issue by installing a 32GB microSD and configuring as internal storage

Thanks for the quick replies!
Still I don't understand this massive use of disk space. I'm using LineageOS since the first day I use this phone. On LOS 14.1 I had MicroG, now on LOS 16 it's openGApps pico. Updates have to be installed manually, as for this phone there's no official LineageOS. All the data of my Apps is moved to the external SD card except WhatsApp.
So basically there's not much disk space used. As mentioned above, it's 4.65 GB of used space of the internal storage (according to X-plore its path is /sdcard). If we assume the internal storage to be just 10 GB of the physical 16 GB, then there's still half of the capacity unused. That's a big difference to the reported 996 MB (today it's 932 MB).
Might this difference come from mistakes at installing or manually updating LineageOS?
After updating to LOS 16 by clean install, there was no big increase of free space. Is there a possibility to get some space back in the course of a clean install?
Furthermore, the free space of data partition according to TWRP is just little above 1 GB, eventhough it says only about 3.5 GB of the 10 GB are used. I thought at least TWRP would show the real amount...
PorkKnuckle said:
TWRP / Wipe / Advanced Wipe: by selecting a partition and tapping "Repair or Change File System"
System: Size: 3243 MB, Used: 1686 MB, Free: 1557 MB; File system: ext4
Data: Size: 10267 MB, Used: 3640 MB, Free: 1186 MB; File system: f2fs
Internal Storage: can't be selected
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