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I'm a new member here, altho I've been following a few threads for the latest weeks. Now curiosity has killed the cat....
I'm planing on using the recently uncovered method of downgrading from HBOOT 0.92 to 0.80 (or is it .82?) and apply unrevoked3 to gain root on My Desire as explained in the HOWTO. Phone's unbranded and unlocked, so I don't expect any problems to occur there other than to wipe my phone clean. I've been reading enough to feel reasonably confident in these steps.
But then there is the question of what ROM to put on My Desire when I'm done. I'm totally blank here. I've been looking at the descriptions and threads of a few ROMs in the dev-forum, but I can't say it makes me much smarter, except for a couple of ROMs that definitely isn't for me.
I've been quite happy about the HTC Sense that the phone was shipped with since I bought it back in April. Not much different about the new one that came with the Froyo OTA I updated to last weekend. What annoys me the most is the glitch in the Market that was introduced, and that there seems to be doubles of apps in the ROM, like both android and HTC versions of Facebook and others. Waste of space and waste of resources to have both fire up at boot. Same with a few stock installed apps that start at boot that I never use. Useless
Also I'd like to have that annoying boot sound gone, or maybe replaced by some custom stuff.
I also need the Froyo. The Wi-Fi hotspot and increased performance are must-have. App2sd too, but it looks like most ROMs have some implementation of this that at least matches the functionality of the one included in Froyo.
It's not that I am locked up to be a Sense-user, I just haven't tried anything else and don't know better. Love those 7 screens, altho I use only 6 of them. Also I've grown accustomed to a few of the HTC widgets. Eats a lot of screen real-estate, but looks good imo. Haven't looked up many screenshots of optional screens, so I have really no clue what the options are.
Is it obvious that I should apply a modified/rooted HTC-Sense Froyo ROM, or are there others that would match my needs better? I'm an old Linux user, so I'm not afraid to test new UIs. I'd love to hear from you experienced users what you have to recommend an Android-noob.
I suggest using this rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=741775
Its the official HTC rooted without hboot 0.92, if you don't like any great modifications, I suggest using this mod.
If you want an other mod, take a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Desire#Unofficial_ROMs
Thanks or the reply. That first one is what I had in mind, but it feels "wrong" to stick with stock when I've finally bothered to crack open the phone
Maybe I should look into just how much work it is to swap ROMs and test out a couple for a few days each? Or is there someone who have written up a nice little review listing some of the most important differences between the modified ROMs?
I decided to go for a LeeDroid ROM. Been playing with it for a few hours, and it seems to do the job well
One happy rooted HTC customer
Try Neophyte 1.6 - much better mate Totally stable and has no issues that other custom roms do
Neophyte looks like a good alternative. Thank you
Also looks from the thread on that one that there is a new version coming one of the first days, so I'll stick with LeeDroid untill then. Looks to be a breeze to swap ROMs as long as you don't bother to install every unusefull app for each swap. And a nice way to clean out the phone of various useless stuff LOL
I want to preface this first by saying that...
A. I am not a developer
B. I have huge respect for developers, i know it's not easy
C. I am familiar with rooting/flashing/adb/ etc, just not about Rom development
my question....
The HTC One GPE edition is no different from our VZW phone right? Shouldn't the Rom be able to be directly ported over without issue?
Or does the phone being LTE/Verizon cause issues?
Now i know it's not that easy or this clearly would have been done.... I am just wondering why the GPE roms are not directly able to be flashed on our phones.
Also, if i leave Verizon, and go to T-Mo, would i be able to flash a GPE RUU and have the phone work?
Thanks for anyone with any insight. Just curious about getting a true 100% pure GPE rom on my phone....
IIRC our model primarily uses a CDMA radio while the developer edition uses a GSM based radio. If you directly flashed the GPE ROM you would most likely kill your phone's radio.
mooseknuckles said:
I want to preface this first by saying that...
A. I am not a developer
B. I have huge respect for developers, i know it's not easy
C. I am familiar with rooting/flashing/adb/ etc, just not about development itself or Roms
my question....
The HTC One GPE edition is no different from our phone VZW right? Shouldn't the Rom be able to be directly ported over without issue?
Or does the phone being LTE/Verizon cause issues?
Now i know it's not that easy or this clearly would have been done.... I am just wondering why the GPE roms are not directly able to be flashed on our phones.
Also, if i leave Verizon, and go to T-Mo, would i be able to flash a GPE RUU and have the phone work?
Thanks for anyone with any insight. Just curious about getting a true 100% pure GPE rom on my phone....
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Your second question is primarily the reason. Our phones run on CDMA/LTE technology. the GPE ROMS are based on GSM technology. so even though you probably could flash one of their ROMS, you more than likely would not have any data or not be able to make phone calls or send text. To answer your last question, I believe these phones are carrier unlocked carrier so you could technically pop in a Tmobile SIM and get their 2G or 3G service(with the right APNs with our current ROMS). I see that people are doing this with their ATT/TMobile/Unlocked phones but I havent heard of anyone getting it to work on the CDMA variants(VZW/Sprint). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G8JXdPk-no
Have you tried some of the GPE modded Roms we have for VZW?
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Your second question is primarily the reason. Our phones run on CDMA/LTE technology. the GPE ROMS are based on GSM technology. so even though you probably could flash one of their ROMS, you more than likely would not have any data or not be able to make phone calls or send text. To answer your last question, I believe these phones are carrier unlocked carrier so you could technically pop in a Tmobile SIM and get their 2G or 3G service(with the right APNs with our current ROMS). I see that people are doing this with their ATT/TMobile/Unlocked phones but I havent heard of anyone getting it to work on the CDMA variants(VZW/Sprint). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G8JXdPk-no
Have you tried some of the GPE modded Roms we have for VZW?
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I did use Newt's GPE ROM when i had the DNA, and it worked fairly well. I have not tried any yet on the One, since i only got the phone a few weeks ago. It looks like they are customized, and i am looking for pure GPE no mods at all. But i still might give the other GPE rome a try, have you tried them? any feedback? Part of me thinks i might make the leap to the CM KitKat build since it seems relatively stable....
mooseknuckles said:
I did use Newt's GPE ROM when i had the DNA, and it worked fairly well. I have not tried any yet on the One, since i only got the phone a few weeks ago. It looks like they are customized, and i am looking for pure GPE no mods at all. But i still might give the other GPE rome a try, have you tried them? any feedback? Part of me thinks i might make the leap to the CM KitKat build since it seems relatively stable....
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Im running Santod's tiKtaK ROM as we speak. It's 4.4 as well and its really vanilla. Beats is the only main thing that doesnt work in it but he says he will look into it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2531235
mademan420 said:
Im running Santod's tiKtaK ROM as we speak. It's 4.4 as well and its really vanilla. Beats is the only main thing that doesnt work in it but he says he will look into it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2531235
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Beats is not a deal breaker for me. I just need good in call audio, data/wifi/signal, tether, and stability. No extra jazz for me.....
I do like how these builds get quick updates so far. makes my little time with verizon left worth while. i am debating jumping to tmo come summer time....
Hello all,
I'm just wondering, do you guys notice or know of any real difference b/t the unlocked/non-carrier firmware that's out there and the carrier-specific firmware from T-Mobile for the M8? Is one considered better than the other?
Please share your thoughts with us!
Thank You,
RockStar2005
RockStar2005 said:
Hello all,
I'm just wondering, do you guys notice or know of any real difference b/t the unlocked/non-carrier firmware that's out there and the carrier-specific firmware from T-Mobile for the M8? Is one considered better than the other?
Please share your thoughts with us!
Thank You,
RockStar2005
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I know my experience with the M7 (yes i know its an M8 forum but still somewhat relevant) is Yes, the carrier firmware was better.
I had a Stock TMO branded M7. I did the full conversion to make it a GPe unit. It was nice but i had some signal issues. It was better with the TMO radios but ultimately i put it back to stock TMO and for me i got the best results like that.
IAmSixNine said:
I know my experience with the M7 (yes i know its an M8 forum but still somewhat relevant) is Yes, the carrier firmware was better.
I had a Stock TMO branded M7. I did the full conversion to make it a GPe unit. It was nice but i had some signal issues. It was better with the TMO radios but ultimately i put it back to stock TMO and for me i got the best results like that.
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No I think the M7 experience is definitely still relevant!
Ok, you're the first one so far here to say that. So the radios change based on the firmware? Why is that? I mean, why would the radios be affected by the firmware? Seems to me it'd be better to leave the radios alone and let them remain how they came.
My previous OTA was from T-Mobile, but in order to get updated ViperOne M8, I had to get the firmware for 2.22 and T-Mo wasn't deploying it. They apparently just approved it on the 18th, but as u prob read above, I'm not even sure if they've deployed it, and what it contains. I seem to have as much signal quality as before. I just wish they'd have VoLTE deployed for the M8s. That would be great.
RockStar2005
I have been with T-Mobile less then 2 years. Prior to that i was with sprint over 10 years. I got most of my "radio" experience flashing different radios for the Samsung GS2.
That device was super finikey when it came to radios. I also found at the time that 3 different network vendors set up most of the CDMA network in the USA for Sprint. So for me having a specific radio work well meant that same one might not work so well up north. Samsung was also known to not have very good hardware / antennas (when i say radios i am referring to the firmware for the specific device.) So while my devices hardware stayed the same Samsung was making software tweaks during each revision of software.
But to keep it simple, Yes, different versions of radios can work differently in each device. Thats even with stock radios. Then if you add stuff like a GPe radio to a stock unit, or what i had with my M7 using a GPe ROM with a TMO radio. It always pains me to see people who post about using carrier A phone unlocked with carrier B network. Those people will never get the most out of their hardware network wise because carrier B has worked with the manufacturer to make sure their device is created to be specific to their network. Sure an unlocked will work but not at 100% efficiency. It could be a hardware limitation, could be some software that is baked into the ROM to make it work better, or even as simple as TMO baking in WiFi calling with their network.
I mean look what happened to the Note 3 for TMO. Originally it shipped with LTE not even enabled. The hardware was there then BAM, with an OTA LTE was enabled. Flash forward to the last few months, 2 separate updates for VoLTE. Those are radios updates that are specific to the hardware in the Note 3.
Hopefully someone else can chime in as well. Id hate to think im the only one.
Six,
No you explained that rather well! My cousin has the Note 3 so I know what u said about the last part (on VoLTE) is def true. I wish HTC would hurry the F up and give us M8 ppl VoLTE. Would be nice. And make it available everywhere, not just major cities (it's avail in Chicago, but I live 25-30 min away).
I have a buddy who works for U.S. Cellular corporate, and he said the same thing. Unlocked phones, esp ones sold by one carrier but used on another's network, don't work AS well as when the phone is made for your carrier's network. International phones at least I believe work fine if released OFFICIALLY in the U.S. (i.e., Sony's Xperia Z2, which is ONLY avail that way in the U.S.), because they've been tested on ALL carrier networks/bands, but that's diff than using say a Sprint phone on T-Mobile's network, I believe. (Or using a phone that wasn't approved for all the major U.S. carriers.)
So far you're the only who seems pro-carrier firmware/OTAs, but that's ok. That's why I started this thread, so I can get all sides of the story. But if you read the previous posts, the other posters make a compelling argument that's pro-noncarrier. It sounds like in my situation I'm fine, b/c I'm pretty sure the int't M8 was tested on T-Mo's bands already. The firmware would just go along with that same data, so I don't think I'm having any loss of quality. Now if I carrier-unlocked my phone and tried it on Sprint or Verizon, or even AT&T......... then I would expect a loss of quality at some level.
Thanks,
RockStar2005
Agreed. I see merits in both custom roms, stock roms, GPe Roms and Cyanogen.
Back in the GS2 days i was a big fan of using some of those custom ROMS guys would cook up. It fixed a lot of issues with Android.
But for ME, since 4.2.2 and up, i have been happy with stock ROMs.
In fact i almost always ran custom roms on my older devices and only recently started to leave them stock.
The last thing was when TMO gave me 3 GB free tethering, that was the last thing i might have rooted for.
My note 3 is stock, my M8 is still stock. and my back up M7 is stock (after putting GPe on it for a few weeks and testing stuff out).
I for one use my M8 as my daily phone and my Note 3 as my back up / game device.
For example, today at lunch i had local news streaming on my M8 while my Note 3 was tethered to my M8. On my Note 3 i was playing a few games while i waited for my food then answered a few emails and chatted with a friend on Hangouts.
With TMOs recent 4.4.3 update my M8 seems to run better then before and i feel im getting better battery life out of it.
Cant wait for my Note 3 to get 4.4.3 or 4.4.4. Also really looking forward to Android L on both of the units.
The way i look at it is what are YOUR pros and cons. LOL.
IAmSixNine said:
Agreed. I see merits in both custom roms, stock roms, GPe Roms and Cyanogen.
Back in the GS2 days i was a big fan of using some of those custom ROMS guys would cook up. It fixed a lot of issues with Android.
But for ME, since 4.2.2 and up, i have been happy with stock ROMs.
In fact i almost always ran custom roms on my older devices and only recently started to leave them stock.
The last thing was when TMO gave me 3 GB free tethering, that was the last thing i might have rooted for.
My note 3 is stock, my M8 is still stock. and my back up M7 is stock (after putting GPe on it for a few weeks and testing stuff out).
I for one use my M8 as my daily phone and my Note 3 as my back up / game device.
For example, today at lunch i had local news streaming on my M8 while my Note 3 was tethered to my M8. On my Note 3 i was playing a few games while i waited for my food then answered a few emails and chatted with a friend on Hangouts.
With TMOs recent 4.4.3 update my M8 seems to run better then before and i feel im getting better battery life out of it.
Cant wait for my Note 3 to get 4.4.3 or 4.4.4. Also really looking forward to Android L on both of the units.
The way i look at it is what are YOUR pros and cons. LOL.
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My "pros and cons" list involves having all pros and NO cons! lol
I think I'll prob just wait for the T-Mo OTAs from now on, but then again, b/c I have ViperOne, I won't know when they get deployed unless I constantly revert back to stock. Ughh! I guess so far I haven't really noticed a difference in signal and call quality since installing a non-carrier firmware, though it's only been like not even 2 weeks yet since I did it.
That's cool though that you're so happy with it. Perhaps your posts are an indication that T-Mobile has gotten better with their overall quality, and so that's something to look forward to for when I do go back to stock (whenever that is lol).
Thank You,
RockStar2005
Most people make a big deal about carrier OTAs. So you really dont need to revert back to check for them. As long as your active on the boards you will know when a device gets an OTA.
I failed to mention that part of why im happy with stock is because devices are now getting to the point where they are so fast that having bloat ware on them doesnt noticeably slow down the devices like they used to. At least i dont notice it. Pluse with 4.2.2 they allow you to "disable" most apps you dont want to use. So thats another plus.
Back in the day i used to root and do the custom ROM for extra battery life, or tethering, or to make the device snappier.
I honestly would have thought that someone else might have chimed in by now and added their 2 cents.
IAmSixNine said:
Most people make a big deal about carrier OTAs. So you really dont need to revert back to check for them. As long as your active on the boards you will know when a device gets an OTA.
I failed to mention that part of why im happy with stock is because devices are now getting to the point where they are so fast that having bloat ware on them doesnt noticeably slow down the devices like they used to. At least i dont notice it. Pluse with 4.2.2 they allow you to "disable" most apps you dont want to use. So thats another plus.
Back in the day i used to root and do the custom ROM for extra battery life, or tethering, or to make the device snappier.
I honestly would have thought that someone else might have chimed in by now and added their 2 cents.
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Six,
Yeah, that's true. Or I can check on T-Mobile's update site, though there may still be some delay b/c of how they deploy OTAs: http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-10366
I've noticed that too, and before I got ViperOne and also Titanium Backup, I was disabling several apps too. Though I prefer to just uninstall them.
RockStar2005
Six,
I talked to one of the ppl at Team Venom, and he said he has T-Mobile and recommends just taking T-Mobile's firmware updates for better cell reception. I'll do that from now on. But for now, if anyone is interested, I have here a link to the latest radio image file for the M8 (as of 8/27). Just download and "install flash" in TWRP.
And if you're rooted and want to get rid of the "red splash" screen during boot-up, try flashing the attached mod! :victory:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/beucjivbc4i9y3u/RadioUpdate_2.22.531.5_1.19.213311491.03G.zip
Thank You,
RockStar2005
So... My question now.. I'm one of those buy vzw m8 take over to T-Mobile. I'm running viper 2.3. It runs great. But vzw never updated to newest firmware.so my question I guess is... Can I flash a T-Mobile radio or firmware to my vzw phone? I kinda know the answer, but I'd rather ask. So if I can.. that'll be great!
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I know on the M7 that would brick the unit.
The CDMA and GSM units had different hardware and flashing any GSM ROM into a CDMA unit bricked them.
I want to say the same holds for the M8.
Can someone else confirm that for me?
IAmSixNine said:
I know on the M7 that would brick the unit.
The CDMA and GSM units had different hardware and flashing any GSM ROM into a CDMA unit bricked them.
I want to say the same holds for the M8.
Can someone else confirm that for me?
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Yeah thanks I kinda figured that, but you know it never hurts to ask, especially if it has the potential to maybe work out.
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Then maybe would it be better for me when Verizon gets the ota for 4.4.3.... I should implement that, and then.... Redo my rom?
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I am looking at buying an m9 but had a few questions. Are the m9s able to get s off and rooted with unlocked boot loader ?
I looked around and found varying answers. Are only certain android versions root able and s off?
I was going to buy a note 4 but I feel Samsung's phone can be laggy due to their software.
Thanks
thrgk said:
I am looking at buying an m9 but had a few questions. Are the m9s able to get s off and rooted with unlocked boot loader ?
I looked around and found varying answers. Are only certain android versions root able and s off?
I was going to buy a note 4 but I feel Samsung's phone can be laggy due to their software.
Thanks
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-one-m9/general/m9-java-card-t3063247
Yes, you need to send it to someone to S-Off it. I did, rooted/unlocked running Viper.
But with that said...I hate this phone. First time the HTC One has disappointed me. Guess they assume everybody on the planet is right handed...the power button is located in the dumbest location. Everytime I pick up the phone, I'm either turning the flashlight on, hitting the power button etc..with my fingers...just no way around it..stupid design.
Unless HTC pulls some serious improvements, likely the shortest time I will ever own an HTC...and I love the Sense interface..but can't take this M9, and even worse, being on VZW since there is such limited support.
Might just change phones altogether.
But, have fun, it is a pain to get the phone S-Off, even knowing somebody with javacard, sending it off, then the ROMs available for limited etc...sad to say the least.
Good luck.
techlogik said:
Yes, you need to send it to someone to S-Off it. I did, rooted/unlocked running Viper.
But with that said...I hate this phone. First time the HTC One has disappointed me. Guess they assume everybody on the planet is right handed...the power button is located in the dumbest location. Everytime I pick up the phone, I'm either turning the flashlight on, hitting the power button etc..with my fingers...just no way around it..stupid design.
Unless HTC pulls some serious improvements, likely the shortest time I will ever own an HTC...and I love the Sense interface..but can't take this M9, and even worse, being on VZW since there is such limited support.
Might just change phones altogether.
But, have fun, it is a pain to get the phone S-Off, even knowing somebody with javacard, sending it off, then the ROMs available for limited etc...sad to say the least.
Good luck.
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To each their own. I love this phone. I have had a test handset since January, mostly stock, only sometimes rooted and I like pretty much everything about it. The camera is great; the screen is better than the M8; the speakers are phenomenal (and I use Boomsound a lot). I eventually sold my M8 and bought a second-hand M9 for when I have to turn this one back in to HTC. The overheating problems have largely been resolved, at least on the latest ROM I'm running, which should go public before too long at this point.
And it was no problem to hook-up with @dottat and get my non-UT handset S-OFF and rooted. It's ready to roll as soon as I send my UT device back to HTC.
Camera is an embarrassment still compared to iPhone...my wife's 6 plus and daughter's regular 6 still take much more accurate and better pictures by miles compared to the M9, I'm running Viper, have been for years on their Roms. Tried other things.
It is just the annoyance of the design/button layout that bothers me the most, and complete lack of support almost of the VZW users. There are better improvements I like with Sense, and as I said, I love Sense. Only reason I still have the Android phone...regular Android is still pretty pathetic..particularly the applications compared to WinMo and Apple. Like HTC/Sense, they make their mail and other apps built into the phone very slick/polished and nice. The regular android mail/calendar apps look like some 10yr old Linux mail app running under xwindows. Kind of sad that in 2015, regular Android apps are so sucky compared to HTC/Apple/MS apps in general that come on the stock android platform. If it weren't for HTC and Sense, not sure, probably have a stupid iPhone or WinMo.
Still hate apple iPhone though and Windows latest is kind of a mess as well.
Just wish somebody would make some really nice clean looking apps/interfaces with Android with good features similar to Sense, that isn't HTC...the M9 is their best effort so far with the camera, but the button layout is just a step backwards.
So, HTC still is the leader when in comes to much things Android from my perspective...
As you said, to each their own...but become left handed, then come back and tell me how many times a day you turn the flashlight on accidentally, hit the up/down volume buttons etc...their location are a mess compared to the M8, which besides the camera, never had really a complaint with that phone.
Maybe should have stuck with the M8..haha...
But have no fear the all new M9 will solve everything!!!!
See ya around guys. Or maybe over on the new Google Nexus forum or something...rofl.
Sorry...off topic I know.
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but the button layout is just a step backwards.
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When I first picked up the M9 the first thing I noticed was how much I liked the button layout
Do any of the non stock ROMs handle USB any better than stock?
I thought the issues that plagued this phone early on had been resolved and all of a sudden they are all back. And looking through the forum here, I'm not the only one. Given this phone is a generation old I'd imagine it's not going to get much love from Google. So maybe modding is the answer.
Thanks!