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[Q] Possibly switching to the HTC One

A couple of months ago I decided to upgrade to the Galaxy S4 and now I'm just so insanely bored with it that I am seriously considering buying an HTC One mainly so I can flash roms again. With the S4, unless you were lucky enough to have the original firmware, then you cannot unlock the bootloader and flash custom roms. I've always loved the HTC One but went for more familiar Galaxy S4 thinking that it would give me the same freedoms as my older Galaxy, but I was pretty wrong on that assumption. So I have a few questions for you all before I jump in...
1) Is there a safe and reliable method to unlock the bootloader that works with all firmwares? Do any of the updates lock down the phone like what happened with the S4?
2) What's S-off and do I need it? I've only had Samsung phones.
3) In your own opinion how healthy is development for this phone? I was hoping to run a stable Sense rom. Not really interested in AOSP roms.
Thank you all for your time.

I actually jumped over to the One from the S4 last week. If you have any questions feel free to hit me up on hangouts, mine is [email protected]
I'm glad I mad the change. I'm s-off, boot loader unlocked, and running a VERY stable sense ROM. With the S4, I had to use aosp because touchwiz was awful to me. Bloated and laggy. Sense has been so great, I don't feel any need to flash aosp right now.
I can also explain s-off a bit to you if you'd like.

The only thing I really miss is the far better camera experience on the S4. If picture taking on your phone is something you REALLY have to have. You may find yourself regretting. The One is not bad by any means, but for clarity and sharpness, I'd say the S4 is hands down better. We're also talking about camera phones here, can't really complain much. Only so much they can do with limitations on size and what not.
Sense is actually quite nice and I find myself switching between CM11 and a Sense built ROM. I can't make up my mind some times...haha

Does the 4.3 OTA break the ability to unlock the bootloader and root?

It shouldn't. Currently you're unable to, but that's just until beaups updates his s-off utility. So far so good! And with us finally getting official source for 4.3development should pick up even more. Honestly, i'm really enjoying this phone, the screen is slightly smaller than the s4, which was my initial apprehension, but I actually prefer that. I don't have to do that awkward stretch to reach the edges of the screen.

Fu5ion said:
It shouldn't. Currently you're unable to, but that's just until beaups updates his s-off utility. So far so good! And with us finally getting official source for 4.3development should pick up even more. Honestly, i'm really enjoying this phone, the screen is slightly smaller than the s4, which was my initial apprehension, but I actually prefer that. I don't have to do that awkward stretch to reach the edges of the screen.
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I'm a fan of larger screens so for me it'll be a little annoying at first but the speakers will more than make up for it when I'm watching a video. To be honest I really like the S4 but it's just so limiting (unless you're lucky enough to have an MDK version). Also it seems like EVERYONE these days is walking around with an S4, where as almost no one has an HTC One. That's not really a good reason to choose it over the S4, but to me it kind of makes it special by being unique. I just really hate that Verizon doesn't carry the black model because if they did I would already have the One.

This screen in plenty big, don't worry. That was my primary concern, but I haven't missed it. I actually had an MDK model, since I got the s4 on release day. I do love these speakers on the One, too. The build quality on this thing is incredible though, it just feels so... Premium. No more plastic lol

I switched from a s4 as well. I miss the camera but that's it.
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Well I did it. I bought a brand new One and I'm just waiting to get it. Very excited

Sweet, you won't regret it! If you have any questions regarding the differences in terminology (s-off, RUU, that kinda stuff), I'm happy to help. I know I had quite a few when I made the jump.

Fu5ion said:
Sweet, you won't regret it! If you have any questions regarding the differences in terminology (s-off, RUU, that kinda stuff), I'm happy to help. I know I had quite a few when I made the jump.
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I will definitely have many questions, and once I get everything going I will hit you up. Thanks a bunch

Anytime man, glad to help

I'm getting kind of paranoid now that I see there's no root method for the 4.3 OTA yet. I'm really hoping when I get it it's still on 4.2. Should I immediately put it into Airplane mode? I've heard stories of Galaxy S4s automatically downloading and installing the OTA without any user input...

You shouldn't have to. Mine has always asked me if I wanted to install. Wouldn't hurt to throw it in airplane mode, though. An update to rumrunner should come along soon, there wasn't much in the OTA that could've patched that all up.

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You shouldn't have to. Mine has always asked me if I wanted to install. Wouldn't hurt to throw it in airplane mode, though. An update to rumrunner should come along soon, there wasn't much in the OTA that could've patched that all up.
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Thanks man you've been really helpful. I'll be catching up with you soon once it actually arrives to me. Thanks again.

Crawshayi said:
Thanks man you've been really helpful. I'll be catching up with you soon once it actually arrives to me. Thanks again.
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No problem, glad I could help!

Crawshayi said:
I'm getting kind of paranoid now that I see there's no root method for the 4.3 OTA yet. I'm really hoping when I get it it's still on 4.2. Should I immediately put it into Airplane mode? I've heard stories of Galaxy S4s automatically downloading and installing the OTA without any user input...
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I got a brand new one at a VZW store over the weekend and it came with the .8 update so it was 2 updates away from 4.3

Just got a one from Verizon mail order. It came with 1.10.605.10.
Much nicer than my galaxy s3! Now I need to read up on rooting and unlocking.
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I guess I got lucky. My phone came with 4.2.2 software version 1.10.605.8
I should be okay to do rumrunner on that version right? I saw on the website it was listed. Does anyone have a good youtube video on using rumrunner (on Windows) to link me since I'm an HTC noob coming from Samsungland?
I'm not crazy about the button placement, lack of a menu button, and losing .3" of screen but I'm so far loving this phone and won't miss the S4 once it's gone.

Not gonna lie, it's super easy. You don't need a video. You basically hit enter a couple times. Just follow the written directions
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s-off and bootloader unlock question

Hi all!
Just picked up an M9 this week... Had an M8 prior to that. I've been reading through the forums and spent some time on the M8 forums flashing, testing, and customizing the phone with Roms. I've been reading about the M9 and have noticed some mention that Verizon is firm about a locked bootloader and all. I was curious how on the M8, S-off and unlocking the bootloader was achieved if Verizon is so strict about keeping the phone locked down? Thanks for any responses in advance Looking forward to customizing this beast of a phone. Thank you to all the Devs that make all of this possible!
Cheers,
Ren

hackjunk said:
Hi all!
Just picked up an M9 this week... Had an M8 prior to that. I've been reading through the forums and spent some time on the M8 forums flashing, testing, and customizing the phone with Roms. I've been reading about the M9 and have noticed some mention that Verizon is firm about a locked bootloader and all. I was curious how on the M8, S-off and unlocking the bootloader was achieved if Verizon is so strict about keeping the phone locked down? Thanks for any responses in advance Looking forward to customizing this beast of a phone. Thank you to all the Devs that make all of this possible!
Cheers,
Ren
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The M8 was like this when it first came out. Yes Verizon is strict. From what I have been told they are trying to find a Temporary Root Exploit to be able to S-Off and all that goodness. We just have to be patient like the First Model M8 people were. Luckily when I first got my M8 it was rootable and stuff. So just be patient, or feel free to donate to jcase and beaups to help buy them energy drinks.

Everything @Balian67 said an also one tip. Don't do any updates till you are s-off as updates could cause exploit not to work if there is a exploit released.

Tigerstown said:
Everything @Balian67 said an also one tip. Don't do any updates till you are s-off as updates could cause exploit not to work if there is a exploit released.
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What i said and what this guy said. Friends don't let friends take updates without it being pre-rooted.

Balian67 said:
What i said and what this guy said. Friends don't let friends take updates without it being pre-rooted.
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Glad I read this thread, didn't even think about updates changing things for getting rooted and eventually S-Off!

chayos00 said:
Glad I read this thread, didn't even think about updates changing things for getting rooted and eventually S-Off!
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As soon as im s-off i flash Aosp style roms and never look back....but tbh...sense isnt bugging me like touchwiz did..not that ill stay on stock sense but it isnt atrocious

Balian67 said:
What i said and what this guy said. Friends don't let friends take updates without it being pre-rooted.
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Balian67 said:
As soon as im s-off i flash Aosp style roms and never look back....but tbh...sense isn't bugging me like touchwiz did..not that ill stay on stock sense but it isn't atrocious
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Yeah, I'm liking the stock setup, but I just like having that option of I wanted!

Balian67 said:
As soon as im s-off i flash Aosp style roms and never look back....but tbh...sense isnt bugging me like touchwiz did..not that ill stay on stock sense but it isnt atrocious
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Totally agree with this!! Oh my lord is there a difference between Touchwiz and Sense. I did go back to Nova Launcher for the actual day-to-day launcher but the framework is...I dare to say...enjoyable to use. This is my first HTC phone, although I've worked on a few for friends, but I'm loving it so far.

xgerryx said:
Totally agree with this!! Oh my lord is there a difference between Touchwiz and Sense. I did go back to Nova Launcher for the actual day-to-day launcher but the framework is...I dare to say...enjoyable to use. This is my first HTC phone, although I've worked on a few for friends, but I'm loving it so far.
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So i bought an M9 for myself and a S6 for my wife. This is first i have used touchwiz, it is not intuitive whatsoever. I am happy with my m9

aer0zer0 said:
So i bought an M9 for myself and a S6 for my wife. This is first i have used touchwiz, it is not intuitive whatsoever. I am happy with my m9
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The way Samsung complicates settings drives me bonkers. It just doesn't need to be that complicated.

I'm in S6 trial week. Lol. So far not impressed. The so called super snappy touchwiz has a laggy keyboard whether stock or google. Also don't get me started on Chrome browser lag. Little things here and there that are non existent on even the m8. Overall its snappy but it still has annoying hicups here and there. Gonna take a miracle for me not to exchange for an m9 next weekend.

I had an M7 but not an M8 and had put AOSP on it because Sense just didn't feel right to me.
I bought an M9 because of the retail employee deal of no-contract for $300 and trading in for the new one every year. Ditched my G3 and haven't looked back. I love Sense 7. Not only is the UI smooth and really easy to use, the whole design language flows so well with the physical design of the phone. I don't think I'll be putting a custom ROM on this but I would love root for an ad blocker. I forgot how many ads there were on phones until I had to use this M9 without root.
Is anyone planning on making a bounty thread?

PizzaSauce said:
I had an M7 but not an M8 and had put AOSP on it because Sense just didn't feel right to me.
I bought an M9 because of the retail employee deal of no-contract for $300 and trading in for the new one every year. Ditched my G3 and haven't looked back. I love Sense 7. Not only is the UI smooth and really easy to use, the whole design language flows so well with the physical design of the phone. I don't think I'll be putting a custom ROM on this but I would love root for an ad blocker. I forgot how many ads there were on phones until I had to use this M9 without root.
Is anyone planning on making a bounty thread?
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No need really. Bounty threads are worthless distractions too.
For example, one of the last ones claimed only netted the receiver 30% of all promised funds.
Sunshine will likely include vzw some time in the near future...you probably didn't use it on your m7 but it's a standalone app and costs $25.

dottat said:
No need really. Bounty threads are worthless distractions too.
For example, one of the last ones claimed only netted the receiver 30% of all promised funds.
Sunshine will likely include vzw some time in the near future...you probably didn't use it on your m7 but it's a standalone app and costs $25.
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Worth every $0.01 (2500 pennies).

dottat said:
No need really. Bounty threads are worthless distractions too.
For example, one of the last ones claimed only netted the receiver 30% of all promised funds.
Sunshine will likely include vzw some time in the near future...you probably didn't use it on your m7 but it's a standalone app and costs $25.
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Well, it worked on the S5, that's for sure. Leading to the most prolific exploit in android history with Towelroot, so I wouldn't say pointless. I'm not sure the exact % that paid their pledges, but I paid mine. The ads in apps and webpages are really starting to bug me honestly, and I miss my battery-saving apps and xposed modules. I jumped to HTC from the S5 specially to restore bootloader access and ultimately CM-based ROM's to my phone experience. I guess leaving Verizon would have been a more thoughtful choice, but oh well. If anyone starts a bounty thread (and yes I know almost everyone thinks its a bad idea), I'm in.
That being said, much respect to the people working on a root method for us currently. You guys make my little phone hacking hobby possible, so thank you.

xgerryx said:
Well, it worked on the S5, that's for sure. Leading to the most prolific exploit in android history with Towelroot, so I wouldn't say pointless. I'm not sure the exact % that paid their pledges, but I paid mine. The ads in apps and webpages are really starting to bug me honestly, and I miss my battery-saving apps and xposed modules. I jumped to HTC from the S5 specially to restore bootloader access and ultimately CM-based ROM's to my phone experience. I guess leaving Verizon would have been a more thoughtful choice, but oh well. If anyone starts a bounty thread (and yes I know almost everyone thinks its a bad idea), I'm in.
That being said, much respect to the people working on a root method for us currently. You guys make my little phone hacking hobby possible, so thank you.
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I don't know exactly how true it was, but when I first got my M8 and found out that I had to pay $25 to get S-OFF, at first I was hesitant...But I kept reading WHY and immediately understood and paid right away. It separates guys like us who pay their pledge from people who DON'T. As I am sure you would EASILY pay the $25 to get S-OFF. I know I would. I almost prefer it this way, because im pretty much sure it comes with tech support for those who need it. If only more americans stood by their word instead of promising things they would never fulfill. I know that this community has always been about contributing and free things to make all of our experiences better. I get that, but all too often, people take the work and claim it to be theirs. I remember a few devs (that I talked to a lot) had this problem with users of the Samsung Moment and HTC Evo 4G. So between all of the devs hard work not being appreciated (especially when they do this stuff for THEIR phone and they release it to us to enjoy and some people are always complaining or demanding features, yet they don't contribute by donating to the dev so they can buy energy drinks to keep their mind going, or beer to help relax them after they finished a massive update that fixed all the bugs and added features and stuff. Then people wonder why they have to pay $25. Well I have been a member of XDA for years, contributed a lot here or on irc chat, and I will gladly pay $25 to get S-OFF, Root, and Custom Recovery. Why? Because since the DAWN of xda, everyones phone has been made far better then what ANY manufacturer gives us. I mean seriously...I would have Android Lollipop on devices that Samsung or whoever has long gone moved on from. Why? Because of XDA, and the devs. I swear if everyone paid $25 these devs would be able to buy all sorts of devices to root for us. I know I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro, and an HTC. So I appreciate it, and you know what? I consider that $25 a donation to have root on devices period. Why? Because without the people who know what they're doing, I wouldn't be able to install xposed, make entire backups of my phone (so if the device fails while on warranty), I can EASILY restore my phone. I had that happen with my old HTC Evo 4G LTE. That phone broke 3 times on me and each replacement bestbuy gave me (2), all I had to do was get S-OFF flash a custom recovery, and do a "Restore" then all my texts were there, apps were there (with data), call logs were there. I can go on. That $25 is security for me. So saying all that, I will sit here as patient as I can be to get S-OFF and when the time comes to hit the pay button, there wont be a second thought. No regrets. No more stress. Any more Andybones roms to flash.
BOOM (pardon all the grammatical errors, yall get my point.............right?)

Balian67 said:
I don't know exactly how true it was, but when I first got my M8 and found out that I had to pay $25 to get S-OFF, at first I was hesitant........................
100% on point, my friend. Well said. :good:
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sdamark said:
Balian67 said:
I don't know exactly how true it was, but when I first got my M8 and found out that I had to pay $25 to get S-OFF, at first I was hesitant........................
100% on point, my friend. Well said. :good:
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I'm just chillin with my $25 in hand (figuratively).
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Is it possible to unlock the bootloader on the verizon m9 yet?

wings516 said:
Is it possible to unlock the bootloader on the verizon m9 yet?
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Doesn't seem like it and at this point it probably never will.
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Next phones, esp following Santod's work

I'm loving the update to Santod's GPE+ rom. My phone is snappy again! Thank you, Santod.
I wanted to ask about what phones people are moving to after the M7. VZW has a $100 discount and so I was ready to pull the trigger on the M9 for a great deal. Before buying, I decided to check out the VZW M9 XDA forum and find it is a ghost town. A short search later, I found the VZW M9 is too difficult to s-off (you have to send it to a guy).
I mostly want to follow Santod's development but want to upgrade my device. Any recommendations? Santod, what's your next device? I've been with you from TB, DNA, now M7 and have an overdue donation to make.
Buy a used M8?
Wait for M10 later in the year?
Move to HTC's new A9 phone?
I feel very loyal to HTC and want to remain with VZW.

cahibo said:
I'm loving the update to Santod's GPE+ rom. My phone is snappy again! Thank you, Santod.
I wanted to ask about what phones people are moving to after the M7. VZW has a $100 discount and so I was ready to pull the trigger on the M9 for a great deal. Before buying, I decided to check out the VZW M9 XDA forum and find it is a ghost town. A short search later, I found the VZW M9 is too difficult to s-off (you have to send it to a guy).
I mostly want to follow Santod's development but want to upgrade my device. Any recommendations? Santod, what's your next device? I've been with you from TB, DNA, now M7 and have an overdue donation to make.
Buy a used M8?
Wait for M10 later in the year?
Move to HTC's new A9 phone?
I feel very loyal to HTC and want to remain with VZW.
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Did you look to see if there's someone local for you to get s-off or are you sure you'd have to ship it?
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dottat said:
Did you look to see if there's someone local for you to get s-off or are you sure you'd have to ship it?
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I didn't look too in depth at this point for alternative methods for s-off on the VZW M9. I'm always willing to pay for Sunshine, but that's about the extent to which I'll go.
I hope there is not a similar situation if I opt to wait for the M10. Seems like HTC is more liberal with providing unlocked bootloaders (A9) but VZW isn't there yet (they don't sell the A9).

cahibo said:
I didn't look too in depth at this point for alternative methods for s-off on the VZW M9. I'm always willing to pay for Sunshine, but that's about the extent to which I'll go.
I hope there is not a similar situation of I opt to wait for the M10. Seems like HTC is more liberal with providing unlocked bootloaders (A9) but VZW isn't there yet (they don't sell the A9).
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You likely will have the same problem with the m10. Since we aren't allowed to unlock bootloaders and our software version is always different from everyone else you will need a temp root solution + s-off solution. No publicly available temp root solution was ever made for public consumption on the m9 hence the need to get s-off elsewhere.

I've been considering getting my next phone directly from HTC. supposedly all new unlocked phones are compatible with Verizon's network, and I am getting tired of Verizon's device restrictions. Even AT&T allowed the HTC phones to have their bootloaders unlocked (but not their Samsungs). The thought of sitting around with an unrooted phone waiting for some hacker genius to figure out a security flaw to break it-- which gets harder and harder all the time-- does not appeal to me.
My device still works great, though, aside from the pink camera. My main motivation for wanting something new at this point is that developer support for our device is rapidly fading. Kinda sad...

Root without sunshine

So I've done my reading and I understand sunshine will unlock my bootloader and get me everything I need but it's not really clear to me if root and recovery can be obtained without bootloader unlock and s-off. I've been with Samsung for a while so I'm use to safestrap methods. If anyone can give me clarity on this I'd greatly appreciate it.

OK so I've found my answer... but is sunshine worth it right now? I mean don't get me wrong I think what it does is well worth the money but is there any development in the works? I don't see too much action around here. I also have the Verizon galaxy S5 which still has a locked boot loader due to having a Toshiba chip (my luck) but it has safe strap and custom TW roms and it's been my daily driver for a year. I bought the M9 from a friend but I've yet to put my sim card in because once I do I've gotta give the S5 to the wife or give her the M9. I'd much rather cough up the $25 and use the M9 but I'm looking for feedback on whether or not I can do much more after that.

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OK so I've found my answer... but is sunshine worth it right now? I mean don't get me wrong I think what it does is well worth the money but is there any development in the works? I don't see too much action around here. I also have the Verizon galaxy S5 which still has a locked boot loader due to having a Toshiba chip (my luck) but it has safe strap and custom TW roms and it's been my daily driver for a year. I bought the M9 from a friend but I've yet to put my sim card in because once I do I've gotta give the S5 to the wife or give her the M9. I'd much rather cough up the $25 and use the M9 but I'm looking for feedback on whether or not I can do much more after that.
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No, for HTC phones, Sunshine is your only choice.
After that, no limits. You can modify stock software with root, or you can download one of many custom roms. Or you can switch around and find what works best for you on a continuing basis. Actually, we are kind of spoiled with this ability to change things up, so I don't take it for granted or feel bad about paying $25 to the people who make it possible. You plain can't do it in newer Apple or Samsung phones.
But S-0ff via Sunshine is the only path to there.

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No, for HTC phones, Sunshine is your only choice.
After that, no limits. You can modify stock software with root, or you can download one of many custom roms. Or you can switch around and find what works best for you on a continuing basis. Actually, we are kind of spoiled with this ability to change things up, so I don't take it for granted or feel bad about paying $25 to the people who make it possible. You plain can't do it in newer Apple or Samsung phones.
But S-0ff via Sunshine is the only path to there.
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Yeah I've definitely made the decision to make the jump and use sunshine. Side by side the M9 opens apps and multitasks quicker than the S5 by 1-2 seconds. My question really though is if there's anyone working on roms. Seems like the ability to unlock without having expensive hardware is pretty new so is development just now starting or has it reached its peak?

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Yeah I've definitely made the decision to make the jump and use sunshine. Side by side the M9 opens apps and multitasks quicker than the S5 by 1-2 seconds. My question really though is if there's anyone working on roms. Seems like the ability to unlock without having expensive hardware is pretty new so is development just now starting or has it reached its peak?
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Development is not quite at peak: This Marshmallow version is far and away better than anything on HTC's before now: very fast and smooth. With very little tweaking, it's mighty good.
But another chapter is coming: M9 will get Android Nougat, coming soon. Assuming that it runs nice on the M9, our great devs will likely make more than one nice custom Nougat that will keep the M9 current for at least a year, maybe longer.

Noob phone shopping, advantage HTC?

Have been lurking and learning an incredible amount from XDA which has prompted me to make my 1st post in a question.
I am shopping for a replacement for my HTC One M7- updated it to 7.1.1 RR ROM and works GREAT but the battery is toast and want to upgrade vice tearing the M7 apart. Have been looking at a number of offerings including the pending Samsung S8 as a replacement but it seems most of the major players have completely locked their hardware, especially the bootloader. While this is not terrible in the near-term, I would prefer the option to option to tweak even with my limited knowledge.
This brings me to the HTC 10. It seems HTC is more responsive to customization and supports the developers. Am I reading this wrong or is HTC as bad as the rest? My reason for updating my M7 to 7.1.1 is the lack of support due to obsolescence but have to admit, I enjoy tweaking stuff. I'd like to the option to custom flash whatever I get if I choose now and in the future to extend obsolescence.
Thoughts on the HTC 10 or other current offerings?
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I don't care about others because HTC still gives you your right of choice. You can still unlock your bootloader on the 10, via HtcDev, just like older HTC phones, and you can still s-off your phone via Sunshine. Or you can go ahead and skip HtcDev, and use sunshine for bootloader unlock and s-off at the same time. I was a little bit scared when I read all those posts about unlocking, but esentially, it's the same procedure as it always was for HTC phones. The only downside - Sunshine costs $25

Allen_B said:
Have been lurking and learning an incredible amount from XDA which has prompted me to make my 1st post in a question.
I am shopping for a replacement for my HTC One M7- updated it to 7.1.1 RR ROM and works GREAT but the battery is toast and want to upgrade vice tearing the M7 apart. Have been looking at a number of offerings including the pending Samsung S8 as a replacement but it seems most of the major players have completely locked their hardware, especially the bootloader. While this is not terrible in the near-term, I would prefer the option to option to tweak even with my limited knowledge.
This brings me to the HTC 10. It seems HTC is more responsive to customization and supports the developers. Am I reading this wrong or is HTC as bad as the rest? My reason for updating my M7 to 7.1.1 is the lack of support due to obsolescence but have to admit, I enjoy tweaking stuff. I'd like to the option to custom flash whatever I get if I choose now and in the future to extend obsolescence.
Thoughts on the HTC 10 or other current offerings?
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Google Pixel is an option as well.

Or of course the OnePlus 3T. Essentially, for me, there are only 3 choices left for me when it comes to a new phone: HTC, Google Pixel and OnePlus. Why? Well, Huawei....never ever, there is always a lack of documentation, thus never any AOSP roms available. Sony? Quite nice phones, but too expensive, never convices me. Samsung? Of course, the S8 is great looking phone, but Samsung is not very developper friendly, that's a no-go for me. LG? I owned a G4, and had many problems, never again. ASUS? I have completely no experience about ASUS phones, but my girlfriend owns an ASUS laptop, and it's crap. Lenovo/Moto? Well ok, could be a choice. A friend owns the G4 Plus, and is very happy with it. But I haven't liked a Moto phone that much, that I would have considered to buy it. ZUK or ZTE? I guess not many developpers here on XDA own phones of these manufacters, so lack of support here on XDA, so would not get a a ZUK or ZTE phone (though the ZUK Z2 Pro and the ZTE Axon 7 look very impressive imo). So, what's left? The Google Pixel is a good phone, good dev support, but way too expensive imo. HTC is a bit....I don't know how to say it, but I think you can never be sure what to expect of HTC. For example, I only own the HTC 10 and had never a HTC device before. But I think the M7 and M8 were good phones (except of the cameras), the M9 was crap, the A9 looked ugly for me. In contrast to that, the 10 is a beast and I really love this phone! The HTC U Ultra is....nothing special. I mean, a glass back....really, HTC?! Then this "second" display, who needs that? A way too small battery as well. So this again didn't impress me. Now we have to wait for the HTC 11/HTC U or whatever. So, I'm a bit unsure about HTC. Last left is OnePlus. The 3T looks great, the dev support is exceptional, open source code, and the price is nearly unbeatable. Only downside I've heard of is the lack of service, but perhaps they can improve this in future. So, this is my opinion so far, I hope, this helps you a bit

Charkatak said:
Google Pixel is an option as well.
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Like the Pixel but at the price point, would have thought it would be waterproof. Since I am an AT&T servant, is the bootloader locked down with the phones purchased directly from Google?
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Allen

RogerF81 said:
Or of course the OnePlus 3T. Essentially, for me, there are only 3 choices left for me when it comes to a new phone: HTC, Google Pixel and OnePlus. Why? Well, Huawei....never ever, there is always a lack of documentation, thus never any AOSP roms available. Sony? Quite nice phones, but too expensive, never convices me. Samsung? Of course, the S8 is great looking phone, but Samsung is not very developper friendly, that's a no-go for me. LG? I owned a G4, and had many problems, never again. ASUS? I have completely no experience about ASUS phones, but my girlfriend owns an ASUS laptop, and it's crap. Lenovo/Moto? Well ok, could be a choice. A friend owns the G4 Plus, and is very happy with it. But I haven't liked a Moto phone that much, that I would have considered to buy it. ZUK or ZTE? I guess not many developpers here on XDA own phones of these manufacters, so lack of support here on XDA, so would not get a a ZUK or ZTE phone (though the ZUK Z2 Pro and the ZTE Axon 7 look very impressive imo). So, what's left? The Google Pixel is a good phone, good dev support, but way too expensive imo. HTC is a bit....I don't know how to say it, but I think you can never be sure what to expect of HTC. For example, I only own the HTC 10 and had never a HTC device before. But I think the M7 and M8 were good phones (except of the cameras), the M9 was crap, the A9 looked ugly for me. In contrast to that, the 10 is a beast and I really love this phone! The HTC U Ultra is....nothing special. I mean, a glass back....really, HTC?! Then this "second" display, who needs that? A way too small battery as well. So this again didn't impress me. Now we have to wait for the HTC 11/HTC U or whatever. So, I'm a bit unsure about HTC. Last left is OnePlus. The 3T looks great, the dev support is exceptional, open source code, and the price is nearly unbeatable. Only downside I've heard of is the lack of service, but perhaps they can improve this in future. So, this is my opinion so far, I hope, this helps you a bit
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My good man, you really summed up my thoughts!

I've had the G5, S7 Edge, and now have the Pixel and the HTC 10. I can tell you right now, you don't have to look any further than the 10. The Pixel is nice and also has a great feel, but still feels delicate compared to the 10. I personally like everything about this phone. Especially, especially, if you are interested in any type of modifications. There is more development/developers/XDA Members available for info/help than any of the others. Easy decision in my mind.
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Allen_B said:
Like the Pixel but at the price point, would have thought it would be waterproof. Since I am an AT&T servant, is the bootloader locked down with the phones purchased directly from Google?
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Allen
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I just had to deal with this. No, phones purchased through google have unlocked bootloaders but devices purchased through Verizon or Best Buy had the bootloaders locked when they received the 7.1.1 update. And there is still no way to unlock it, so if you want to root, get the Google version.

donkeykong1 said:
My good man, you really summed up my thoughts!
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Glad to hear :highfive:

Appreciate the input and confirmation on what I thought about HTC.
I admit I really like the looks S8 but after fighting (and quitting after frustrations) with unlocking the wife's S4 I am very weary of Samsung. I completely understand their thoughts but fundamentally disagree with it. Seems they would rather take the Apple business model. They want you locked in and I wouldn't be surprised if they try to develop an independent operating system altogether.
Not sure why I am not a fan of the Pixel- it is clean, fast and open. I guess it just looks too much like a iPhone; I'm not object to the iPhone (I carry one daily for work) but if that's what I wanted, I'd buy one.
Thanks again, perhaps I'll continue to nurse my old M7 along until the HTC 11 (or Ocean, or whatever) comes out or the Pixel 2...
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bluemooncityzen225 said:
... I just had to deal with this. No, phones purchased through google have unlocked bootloaders but devices purchased through Verizon or Best Buy had the bootloaders locked when they received the 7.1.1 update. And there is still no way to unlock it, so if you want to root, get the Google version.
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That's what I figured. Since I'm on AT&T would go directly to the Play Store to purchase.... Thanks!
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Allen

Allen_B said:
That's what I figured. Since I'm on AT&T would go directly to the Play Store to purchase.... Thanks!
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I bought my Pixel on eBay, brand new and use it with T-Mobile. Paid $475. The version I have right now is a Verizon Pixel, but for the similar price you should be able to find Google Edition.