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Desire Screen - Is it the same as the N1

I heard that the incredible has an improved multi touch screen at the hardware level [compared to the N1], and was wondering if the Desire has the same physical screen as the N1?
Sorry I really really did search everywhere, if its been answered before.
Thanks.

Yes the Nexus and Desire share the same screen and with it the same 'problems'. I can understand why some find this a problem, but the I doubt many will actually use 'multitouch'. Dual touch should be enough, which works for pinch n zoom. Other than that, I don't use it. Unless you are an airhockey 'enthusiast'. Of course if I could actually choose between the two, I would obviously go for the better one. The Incredible and forward, all devices will probably have better screens than the N1 and Desire.

djind said:
I doubt many will actually use 'multitouch'. Dual touch should be enough, which works for pinch n zoom. Other than that, I don't use it. Unless you are an airhockey 'enthusiast'.
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djind,
Do you know if there are any Android application that has been designed using multitouch yet besides the games?
For example, is there any webbrowser that users two finger swipe left, two finger swipe right, two finger swipe up, two finger swipe down, three fingers touch, etc to effect different web browsing actions? Or, touch music players that fully utilise single/double/triple finger swipes, three finger touch, etc to perform everything from changing volume, chaging songs, changing playlist, etc without having to look at the screen for buttons while driving?

With a class full of iphone addicted gamers, I can see where full on multi touch is an advantage. Theres just so much game developers can do with the full screen avalible, BUT, we're going to see even more fragmentation on the marketplace now.

eaglesteve said:
djind,
Do you know if there are any Android application that has been designed using multitouch yet besides the games?
For example, is there any webbrowser that users two finger swipe left, two finger swipe right, two finger swipe up, two finger swipe down, three fingers touch, etc to effect different web browsing actions? Or, touch music players that fully utilise single/double/triple finger swipes, three finger touch, etc to perform everything from changing volume, chaging songs, changing playlist, etc without having to look at the screen for buttons while driving?
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No I do not, but there must be a reason for that.
Don't get me wrong, I like multitouch, it adds a lot to devices in general, but let's not forget that we have a mobile phone in our hands, or usually just on hand. Priority number one should be enabling the phone to use single handed the best possible way.
You can't actually use multitouch gestures and not look at the screen, what are we talking about here? If your phone does not have a volume rocker on the side, don't use it as an mp3 player (I must say I like the Creative X-Fi2, but you shouldn't have to wake the screen in order to change volume, bad Creative, bad!)
Multitouch gestures generally use more effort to perform compared to hardware button or a single button. One finger swipe is still number one in my book. You would have to give an exact multi-swipe from top to bottom in order to get the volume settings just right, or click on the volume rocker while your eyes are on the road.
Multitouch, like I said, adds a new dimension to the whole experience, but using 3 fingers on the screen covers most if not more than the whole screen. I don't see any ease of use in that. Yes you can use it for a shortcut, but actually performing a 3 finger action is what I think puts me off. A way to browse would indeed be two finger flick for next and previous page, or just touching the left/right key on the browser screen. It is all about ease of use.
The multitouch gestures are cool, but someitimes or usually unnecessary. Having all options and functions is fine, but I think most of the time anyone uses them is after: "Look what my phone can do."
At the end of the line, it's all about usefulness and necessity.
I don't play games and such on my phone (not a lot anyway), probably why I have these views. But somehow they still kind of make sense to me.
Palm has done a great job on the Pre and Pre Plus. The gesture area is the best implementation of ease of use and productivity I have seen so far, combined with the cards view option. I am definately getting a Pre Plus once they get here. It looks like it just works.
Too bad the HTC takeover is out of the question now. I would have loved to see what the great devs at xda could do with WebOs and their creativity and user feedback.
edit: Holy SHhh this reply is huge.. my apologies for this. I have to do some work for school, probably why I wrote this long reply..

i dont think ive ever encountered an iphone app that requires the use of more than 2 fingers (though it can detect up to 11 i think)
though the issue is that the desire can't even do 2 fingers well enough to go beyond pinching actions, anything like the hundreds of iphone games that require 2 fingers just won't work properly. which isn't much of an issue now as these kind of games dont really exist for android, but it may put devs off creating anything like this in the future.

One thing that I think proper multi-touch helps with is the onscreen keyboard.
Personally I think that typing on the virtual keyboard on the Desire is sh*t compared to the iPhone (which supports proper multi-touch). Perhaps I will have to adjust my typing style, but I just cannot type quickly on the Desire, whereas I can on the iPhone, also with fewer mistakes.
If I had the choice and the Incredible was out here in the UK now, then I would get it, no question (despite it's "looks that only a mother could love", and no hard keys for Home/Search/BackMenu).

OP:
http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/products/clearpad
N1 & Desire have Clearpad 2000, Incredible has Clearpad 3000.

setspeed said:
One thing that I think proper multi-touch helps with is the onscreen keyboard.
Personally I think that typing on the virtual keyboard on the Desire is sh*t compared to the iPhone (which supports proper multi-touch). Perhaps I will have to adjust my typing style, but I just cannot type quickly on the Desire, whereas I can on the iPhone, also with fewer mistakes.
If I had the choice and the Incredible was out here in the UK now, then I would get it, no question (despite it's "looks that only a mother could love", and no hard keys for Home/Search/BackMenu).
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How so?
Unless you somehow can use more than two fingers to type on a 3.7" screen then there should be no difference.

I agree about the iphone keyboard. It is perhaps because I was used to it, although I made the necessary mistakes, but I think mostly it has to do with the lay-out of the keyboard. It looks somehow as if it has more space between the key's which make it easier to actually hit the key you are focussing on. That's the feeling I get when I compare the Desire in my hands and the iPhone in my thoughts. But typing on the desire is fine.
Still gonna get the Pre Plus with portrait keyboard!

setspeed said:
OP:
http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/products/clearpad
N1 & Desire have Clearpad 2000, Incredible has Clearpad 3000.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/26/confirmed-droid-incredibles-multitouch-support-is-better-than/
Nope.

yeah typing on the desire is a lot harder for me than the iphone too, tho i don't think this is a multitouch issue.
the iphone keyboard guesses what key your tying to press, so even if you hit the one next to it the one you intended to hit comes up, im not sure if the desire keyboard does this.

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http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/26/confirmed-droid-incredibles-multitouch-support-is-better-than/
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I stand corrected!
In reference to the keyboard issue - I've barely used iPhones, but I was typing quickly and error free in 60 sec. On the Desire it seems to register a single touch as more than one touch sometimes, causing a lot of error correction to have to go on, slowing me down as I have to pick the correct word from the list.

Hello everyone!
Just to confirm and prove it with a video, the Desire has the same issue as the N1
youtube.com/watch?v=MbFj8SV1XEE
Sorry for the link, but I am new and my account is not verified

Desire has a real multitouch, it's just that the Y axes is reversed when you use 2 fingers, this will be corrected in Froyo.

JCLB said:
Desire has a real multitouch, it's just that the Y axes is reversed when you use 2 fingers, this will be corrected in Froyo.
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Do you have a source for this information?

Wishmaster83 said:
Do you have a source for this information?
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Here it is: http://telephonino.altervista.org/en/google-rilascera-a-breve-android-2-2-“froyo”/
I've read it on others websites.
It's obvious, when you watch videos of this bug or play yourself at AirHockey, you can state that it's not messy/random, just reversed.
In fact it's a software issue so it can be easily corrected but as it may be in the driver which is not accessible for devs, we have to wait for an official update from HTC except if someone can dump N1's driver if it has been corrected with the last update, could someone test multitouch on the N1 as it has the same bug under 2.1 ?

JCLB said:
Desire has a real multitouch, it's just that the Y axes is reversed when you use 2 fingers, this will be corrected in Froyo.
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Froyo will not fix multitouch bug.. confirmed by froyo users on Nexus One.

You know I tried that app on the market to test multi touch and I could move 4 fingers/points at once... so I'm confused.

ranwej said:
Froyo will not fix multitouch bug.. confirmed by froyo users on Nexus One.
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That's a shame, we have to wait for a new synaptics clearpad 2000 driver from HTC.

[REQ] Multitouch Keyboard

I have always said I will not buy a tablet until they have a multitouch keyboard, because for me that is necessary for using a tablet. One key at a time and/or Swype will not cut it. I need to be able to type like my keyboard at home.
Please will someone port Droid X's keyboard and you will make a buyer out of me, and probably make my mananger and boss very happy.
(I work at sprint )
I'll put forth $5, :-\...sorry I can't do more alot of my money is going towards my server for Team Galaxy Sense

I think you will have to stick a few digits on the ebd before anyone will even take that request seriously. porting an IME is no trivial task.
Why do you need a kultitouch keyboard anyway? I cant see any posible usage scenario other than gaming and remote desktop.

Whosdaman said:
I have always said I will not buy a tablet until they have a multitouch keyboard, because for me that is necessary for using a tablet. One key at a time and/or Swype will not cut it. I need to be able to type like my keyboard at home.
Please will someone port Droid X's keyboard and you will make a buyer out of me, and probably make my mananger and boss very happy.
(I work at sprint )
I'll put forth $5, :-\...sorry I can't do more alot of my money is going towards my server for Team Galaxy Sense
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I installed it on my Tab and the font on the keyboard was tiny

SmartKeyboard Pro supports multitouch. Apparently. http://www.dexilog.com/smartkeyboard/

Smart keyboard pro does it very well, and I'm pretty sure that better keyboard does too... I have them both on my vibrant...but I still keep coming back to swype... I'm anxiously awaiting delivery of my tab though so I can't report on how well they work on the tab, although I AM running the leaked 2.2 (obsidian) rom on my vibrant (same processor/ram/etc...), and they work very well on it. If you have a store demo you can install the free version of smart keyboard pro on it... The multi touch works, just not the user dictionary and some of the other customization features (like setting the long press duration...)
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alias_neo said:
I think you will have to stick a few digits on the ebd before anyone will even take that request seriously. porting an IME is no trivial task.
Why do you need a kultitouch keyboard anyway? I cant see any posible usage scenario other than gaming and remote desktop.
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A multi touch keyboard lets you type faster... Your finger can still be touching a key when you hit the next one... Without multi touch, your finger had to be completely off of the last key before you can hit the next one... It doesn't seem like a big deal, but it makes a noticeable difference...
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ajrogers111 said:
A multi touch keyboard lets you type faster... Your finger can still be touching a key when you hit the next one... Without multi touch, your finger had to be completely off of the last key before you can hit the next one... It doesn't seem like a big deal, but it makes a noticeable difference...
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I'm extremely picky about this and it was the reason I ditched my HTC Incredible (it's shoddy multi-touch couldn't keep up with my typing...this has supposedly been fixed in later patches).
Nonetheless, I installed Smart Keyboard (I hate Better Keyboard) on my Tab, and it works flawlessly. I highly recommend it, it's inexpensive and you won't break bank on it.

lol - smartkeyboard pro ftw, use it on both my android devices after trying everything else
lots of options, many themes, great multitouch

burningembers said:
I'm extremely picky about this and it was the reason I ditched my HTC Incredible (it's shoddy multi-touch couldn't keep up with my typing...this has supposedly been fixed in later patches).
Nonetheless, I installed Smart Keyboard (I hate Better Keyboard) on my Tab, and it works flawlessly. I highly recommend it, it's inexpensive and you won't break bank on it.
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LOL wut
2.2 should now support multitouch. But I don't get why that was a reason to ditch the incredible. Anyway, this hasn't been a issue for me and I can type pretty fast.
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy Tab

ajrogers111 said:
A multi touch keyboard lets you type faster... Your finger can still be touching a key when you hit the next one... Without multi touch, your finger had to be completely off of the last key before you can hit the next one... It doesn't seem like a big deal, but it makes a noticeable difference...
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I have a Desire and I'm not sure if it's keyboard is multitouch (HTC IME Mod), but if it isn't then that would explain why I don't understand the need, but anything that lets me type faster is great, the two stock keyboards are utter rubbish.

Another vote for Smart Keyboard Pro. I have used it on both my Evo and G Tablet and it is the best.

Well, the default keyboard on my Tab does multitouch just fine. Only the Swype keyboard seems to lack multitouch when typing normally.
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terje.tel said:
Well, the default keyboard on my Tab does multitouch just fine. Only the Swype keyboard seems to lack multitouch when typing normally.
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Tested Comfirmed

kyrumo71 said:
Tested Comfirmed
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If I'm understanding right, then the default (not swype) keyboard lets me press a key and before removing my finger from it press another.
I believe this is the multitouch behaviour being requested and as such, assuming I am correct, I can also confirm this as working.

Keyboard app recommendation?

I currently use Ultra Keyboard which I purchased. Unfortunately, there are a few quirks I've been having with it that i can no longer put up with.
One is that while filling out forms, the pop-up window with the suggested words often cover up the input box I'm working in. That's annoying. But the really big no-no for a virtual keyboard is that while I'm editing a document and I happen to look up and notice.that two characters i just typed overwrote a whole paragraph way up in the top of my document somewhere! It's unexplainable. And where is the undo? There isn't one.as far as I can see. So can anyone make.any recommendations.for.me? I find i use the arrow keys in Ultra Keyboard a lot. Is it the only program that has them?

rrand said:
I currently use Ultra Keyboard which I purchased. Unfortunately, there are a few quirks I've been having with it that i can no longer put up with.
One is that while filling out forms, the pop-up window with the suggested words often cover up the input box I'm working in. That's annoying. But the really big no-no for a virtual keyboard is that while I'm editing a document and I happen to look up and notice.that two characters i just typed overwrote a whole paragraph way up in the top of my document somewhere! It's unexplainable. And where is the undo? There isn't one.as far as I can see. So can anyone make.any recommendations.for.me? I find i use the arrow keys in Ultra Keyboard a lot. Is it the only program that has them?
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im using Hackers Keyboard.... should still be on the market

Keyboards
I am a very happy user of swiftkey x. I never got into swype. and I recently tried thumb keyboard which was fairly good

ygthb said:
I am a very happy user of swiftkey x. I never got into swype. and I recently tried thumb keyboard which was fairly good
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+1 on Swiftkey

I'm a firm supporter of thumb keyboard, I especially love the layout for landscape. Very intuitive.

I have been a huge fan of Thumb Keyboard for quite some time now. Its a paid app, but worth every frikin penny! I have it on my thunderbolt and my A100!
ummmmm............ could you repeat that?

I love Thumb Keyboard, but keep getting these annoying "instantaneous double presses" that I didn't get with Thumb KB on my Transformer. Anyone else know what I'm talking about?
I wish there was a way to set a delay for repeating the same button (tell they KB to ignore any same-key keypresses within a tenth of a second of each other). I also find the suggestions/auto correct not NEARLY as helpful/aggressive as SwiftKey X. If I could get SwiftKey X's software/autocorrect with Thumb Keyboard's layout, I'd be a happy camper.

Yea, that's happens to me too, but I figured out that if you type at lightening speed, you get double taps on letters, if you slow down just enough that your fingers are nowhere near the screen between touches, no double taps!
ummmmm............ could you repeat that?

wicced247 said:
im using Hackers Keyboard.... should still be on the market
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I use Hackers Keyboard too. It works very fine.

Gileam said:
I use Hackers Keyboard too. It works very fine.
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Its the best
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I'm rolling SwiftKey tablet x as well. I really like it.
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I am using the A.I. keyboard and it is really good feels and looks like HTC sense keyboard
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I have really grown to love FlexT9.

+1 for Hacker's Keyboard

Most def thumb keyboard all the way...
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Another +1 for Thumb Keyboard. Perfect for the 7" form factor in portrait, and a great layout for landscape.
I tried Swiftkey X but just couldn't get into it.

Thumb keyboard. Highly customizable.
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+1 thumb keyboard
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I tried using Swiftkey X on my Acer Iconia A100 running HC (had been using this one on my old Froyo tab). But I found that in the Market search window, the characters I typed were transparent or white. I couldn't see what I was keying. So I installed Hackers and have had no issues at all.

Go Keyboard + Go Keyboard Pad plugin

ShareKM - Share Keyboard and Mouse

This is one of the best keyboard and mouse sharing apps Ive used. If you use your N7 near your PC a lot, this is for you.
https://sites.google.com/site/droidskm/
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.liveov.skm

This looks very well done and the reviews have been good. I've been looking for exactly this type of app! Thanks!

Really great, exactly what I search for.
Suggestions:
- Option to disable the switching area
- Switching by double clicking the taskbar icon
- Better performance over wifi
- Option to use the right mouse button as given under Android (I think a few apps actually respond to it).
- Map tap and hold (probably not possible)
- Option to map the multitouch key
- Left + right mouse button for multitouch

r00t4rd3d said:
This is one of the best keyboard and mouse sharing apps Ive used. If you use your N7 near your PC a lot, this is for you.
https://sites.google.com/site/droidskm/
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.liveov.skm
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can i use it for FPS android games?

I have been using ShareKM for a couple months ago and was working perfectly until today when i updated my nexus 7 to 4.3
The cursor is INVISIBLE,, i can move it, touch, toogle with ctrl + win, everything is fine even the keyboard but the fact that the cursor is invisible is pretty useless.
someone with the same issue?

^
Exactly facing the same issue.
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same issue here.. Any solutions available??

r00t4rd3d said:
This is one of the best keyboard and mouse sharing apps Ive used. If you use your N7 near your PC a lot, this is for you.
https://sites.google.com/site/droidskm/
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.liveov.skm
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So what did you find in the end? Anything that works with linux on the PC end? PC Loves Droid - is that Windows only?

I'm experiencing the same issue using Nexus 7, 4.3, and ShareKM. I've asked around and haven't found any alternatives yet.

Cool! Does it work with USB keyboard mouse?

Yeap, facing the invisible cursor issue. Mailed the developer but no reply yet.
There's another app, BBQScreen: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.bbqdroid.bbqscreen
It's basically a vnc/rdp type app that allows you to control your tablet from your pc by remote connection. Doesn't work yet on 4.3, but the developer seems active and says it'll be supported soon.

Still having an invisible cursor and now it is having trouble connecting to my Nexus 7. It will only connect if I have the Nexus Root Toolkit application open, otherwise it doesn't recognize that I have a device connected. It has to do with the USB driver possibly, but I've reinstalled the drivers several times and never get a new authorization pop-up. I wish this thing would get updated or a reliable alternative would come out.

I have the same invisible cursor issue on Nexus 7 2013

yeah i'd connect perfectly, except cursor is invisible

AndroidKills said:
yeah i'd connect perfectly, except cursor is invisible
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I am having the exact same problem. OG Nexus 7, Android 4.3 stock. Left 1 star review and emailed dev, no response. I'm so bummed. This app is baller.

unexpected62 said:
I am having the exact same problem. OG Nexus 7, Android 4.3 stock. Left 1 star review and emailed dev, no response. I'm so bummed. This app is baller.
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While sending an E-mail is fine, please don't leave one star reviews on apps just because an update broke it especially if it is completely FREE like sharekm. It's not the dev's fault at all, there is no way for the dev to have known that a new update would break his code. Its reviews like that discourage devs. You are right this app is "baller" but please be a little more understanding, SmartUX (the developer of ShareKM) does not even have a donation method and as far as I can tell makes NO money off ShareKM. I really hope he updates his app, and if you ever come across this SmartUX; please add a donation method or even flattr on your site, I would love to support you.

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While sending an E-mail is fine, please don't leave one star reviews on apps just because an update broke it especially if it is completely FREE like sharekm. It's not the dev's fault at all, there is no way for the dev to have known that a new update would break his code. Its reviews like that discourage devs. You are right this app is "baller" but please be a little more understanding, SmartUX (the developer of ShareKM) does not even have a donation method and as far as I can tell makes NO money off ShareKM. I really hope he updates his app, and if you ever come across this SmartUX; please add a donation method or even flattr on your site, I would love to support you.
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I understand what you mean for the 1 star review, but I will say I do it because its an attention grabber. I always update reviews if the app is fixed. Devs also have the ability to respond to reviews. I understand it wasn't his fault, but for any new user who downloads it TODAY, but review is accurate. Part of being a good dev is continued support.
That being said, I understand this is a free app. I cannot BELIEVE it is free. If there was a paid version, I would very much so pony up $5-$10 for this app. Seriously.

Would be great if this worked... can only connect with nexus root toolkit open and still getting an invisible pointer on 4.3 nexus 7 (2013). keyboard portion works great though.
I tried enabling "pointer location" in dev options, but that just instantly crashes the tablet when the mouse is clicked...
"show touches" can be enabled, but pointer clicks don't count as touches I guess. Any other ideas?
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If anyone else is looking for a similar program to this that works in android 4.3, there is now an alpha version of synergy for android available here:
http://sourceforge.net/p/synergyandroid/
It's a little buggy, but it works. Shows a mouse pointer and everything. I had to hit scroll lock a few times to get it working initially

I've been using this app for awhile and it's amazing. It had been working great until I updated my Nexus 4 to CM 10.2 yesterday and now I have the invisible cursor as well, so same as everyone else the 4.3 is causing the issue. I use this app at work and can't live without it at this point . Hoping for a fix really soon.

Funny thing is, I have CM10.2 Nightlies on both my N7 (OG) and S3... the cursour shows on the S3, but not on the N7.

S-pen remote control app with hover support

Is there a Remote control/RDP/VNC/Whatever app that supports 1:1 S-pen to mouse movement?
I have tried many apps so far, but none of them supported hovering, just clicks (mouse was standing still until I clicked something).

matejdro said:
Is there a Remote control/RDP/VNC/Whatever app that supports 1:1 S-pen to mouse movement?
I have tried many apps so far, but none of them supported hovering, just clicks (mouse was standing still until I clicked something).
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doubt it... have you tried team viewer? cause they are the only ones who managed to perform a remote control into a Samsung phone from a pc and vice versa meaning they have intensively worked with touchwiz software libraries I guess so maybe they have s pen support !!
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dead soul said:
doubt it... have you tried team viewer? cause they are the only ones who managed to perform a remote control into a Samsung phone from a pc and vice versa meaning they have intensively worked with touchwiz software libraries I guess so maybe they have s pen support !!
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GoToMyPC seems to do just that. While hovering the S-Pen over my Note 3 it mirrored a mouse movement on my PC. It was a nice improvement, but not as great as I it could have been, since the resolution is way off and you still need to use movements to move the viewable area or be left with really tiny screen. And more importantly, GoToMyPC is extremely pricy to maintain - about 10$ a month... Really isn't worth it for me, but feel free to test it with the 30 days trial.
I'm also installing right now the VirtualTablet app. Remote controlling the PC isn't their main aim, but it does mention as a side feature of the program. It might prove to be helpful.

For everybody that is still looking for that: official RDP app from Microsoft does that job wonderfully. And if you are running AOSP based ROM, you can also hold S-pen button to right click.

matejdro said:
For everybody that is still looking for that: official RDP app from Microsoft does that job wonderfully. And if you are running AOSP based ROM, you can also hold S-pen button to right click.
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Is that with pressure sensitivity?