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First off, hi all. i am a common android rom/app developer who is looking to get a new device to flash and flash non-stop
well, i will be getting the nexus 7 in aproximately 1 month..
i had been searching for long for a good tablet and this one looked amazing, it's high resolution in just 7" inch looks like the best hd tablet. and its quadcore 1.5 GHZ qualcomm processor with the amazing 2 GB ram looks pretty good..
i need opinions from you guys, owners of the nexus 7 2013.
well, lets get started,.
A) is this a good gaming tablet? good graphics? low / high frames?
B) as this is a newly device, i am amazed to become a developer for this, but.. should i? i mean, there arent many tools for nexus 7 and i only know C++ coding, should i get this or an elder tablet with a strong community (as this is xda-developers)?
C) wich are the advantages of having a nexus device? i mean, wich makes it superior than touchwiz or xperia?
D) does the battery last for long? the HD and the processor makes me thing the battery drain is high. but, you are the owner of the tablet, you tell me.
please sorry me for the bad english..
hope you can help me.. thanks in advance guys. :good:
A) is this a good gaming tablet? good graphics? low / high frames?
Not sure, I haven't done much gaming on it so I can't really tell.
B) as this is a newly device, i am amazed to become a developer for this, but.. should i? i mean, there arent many tools for nexus 7 and i only know C++ coding, should i get this or an elder tablet with a strong community (as this is xda-developers)?
I'm not a developer so I can't answer. Although I always read Nexus devices are very developer friendly.
C) wich are the advantages of having a nexus device? i mean, wich makes it superior than touchwiz or xperia?
You get Google updates immediately with Nexus devices. On Touchwiz, Xperia, or Sense, you have to wait until Samsung, Sony, or HTC make their own version of the updates and apply it to their own version of Android.
This can take several months. Which is why some people prefer Nexus devices.
D) does the battery last for long? the HD and the processor makes me thing the battery drain is high. but, you are the owner of the tablet, you tell me.
It depends on the user and tweaks the user applies. I'm stock rooted and I usually get 24-26hrs of standby time and 8hrs of screen time. I'm sure with a different kernal I could get a lot more if I wanted.
It's a great device. I've had it for a week and half, I've had absolutely no issues with it. I purchased the 32gb version and I have no regrets.
Good luck with your developing.
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I've been having a few problems with my tablet lately, namely software bugs (I made a post about this earlier) like ghost clicks that occur in the far corners, and crashes to reboot or apps simply not launching.
Apart from that however, the tablet seems to function exceptionally. The screen is nice but the black levels leave something to be desired, color reproduction is pretty good too. (and obviously resolution is second to none at this moment for 7" tablets)
IXChicharitoXI said:
A) is this a good gaming tablet? good graphics? low / high frames?
Not sure, I haven't done much gaming on it so I can't really tell.
B) as this is a newly device, i am amazed to become a developer for this, but.. should i? i mean, there arent many tools for nexus 7 and i only know C++ coding, should i get this or an elder tablet with a strong community (as this is xda-developers)?
I'm not a developer so I can't answer. Although I always read Nexus devices are very developer friendly.
C) wich are the advantages of having a nexus device? i mean, wich makes it superior than touchwiz or xperia?
You get Google updates immediately with Nexus devices. On Touchwiz, Xperia, or Sense, you have to wait until Samsung, Sony, or HTC make their own version of the updates and apply it to their own version of Android.
This can take several months. Which is why some people prefer Nexus devices.
D) does the battery last for long? the HD and the processor makes me thing the battery drain is high. but, you are the owner of the tablet, you tell me.
It depends on the user and tweaks the user applies. I'm stock rooted and I usually get 24-26hrs of standby time and 8hrs of screen time. I'm sure with a different kernal I could get a lot more if I wanted.
It's a great device. I've had it for a week and half, I've had absolutely no issues with it. I purchased the 32gb version and I have no regrets.
Good luck with your developing.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app
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thanks for your answer, i am 100% sure i will get this device i just saw a few threads, there is already root-tutorial and with roms working, so when i get it i will give a try.
will be strange to develop for unlocked bl roms since with mi phone i can only develop locked roms. i will try to port ubuntu touch for this tablet.
A) I've been playing games like Le Vamp and I've noticed no slowdowns. thing is though, I use it mainly for reading, books, textbooks, comics, so now much experience on the gaming front.
B) sounds like a personal choice to me
C) once again, personal choice
D) with about 1-2 hours of reading a day, it lasts me about 5 days before the battery is completely dead.
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thanks for your answer, i am 100% sure i will get this device i just saw a few threads, there is already root-tutorial and with roms working, so when i get it i will give a try.
will be strange to develop for unlocked bl roms since with mi phone i can only develop locked roms. i will try to port ubuntu touch for this tablet.
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Just got this device. Was very curious to see if Ubuntu Touch is/will be supported on it. I'm definitely interested if you get this going.
I'll keep my hopes up. It's a Nexus after all.
A. I don't game, but I hear it's got a great GPU, so I believe it should be really nice for gaming.
B. No idea what you mean.
C. Stock Android seems smoother, less cluttered, and less confusing. Nexus devices will be the first to get new Android updates.
D. Battery life seems really good, I easily get through a day on a charge. Idle battery life is good for Android (never met an Android tablet that is as good as my iPad). Though Google Services seems to spend a lot of time waking up my tablet when it should be sleeping. I loose about 3% battery life an hour which seems a bit high, even for Android. I don't think everyone has this problem and it may be related to rooting or something. I've been too lazy to factory reset to troubleshoot the problem though. Even with the idle drain, the battery life overall is still pretty good.
I've been really happy with my Nexus 7, other than a little issue with idle battery drain from Google Services, I've not had any other issues. The build quality is much better this time. I've not had a single random reboot. And I'm not even sure what the multi-touch issues are about since I've not noticed anything odd on mine. The screen looks great, the colors are calibrated. The speakers sounds really good. Pretty much everything is positive.
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B) as this is a newly device, i am amazed to become a developer for this, but.. should i? i mean, there arent many tools for nexus 7 and i only know C++ coding, should i get this or an elder tablet with a strong community (as this is xda-developers)?
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It's Android, the standard development toolchain for all other Android devices work fine on it and it's pretty mature and well supported. If you're a C++ dev you may want to get onto the NDK but frankly Java isn't exactly a massive leap to work with and unless you're massively processor-bound or planning to port widely I think you're better off just using the basic Java SDK until you get up to speed on the OS.
Simple answer : read through this before purchasing...
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/mobile/mG4JXaT-SHs[451-475-false]
If, after reading the 460+ posts you're feeling lucky (as the vast majority of owners are) go ahead and purchase.
Just be sure to purchase from a place that has the best return/exchange policy.
I speak from unfortunate first hand experience....
A) is this a good gaming tablet? good graphics? low / high frames?
Oh, yeah. It's perfect for gaming, I've thrown all the games I got at this thing and it runs them at full speed in 1080p. Performance is superb.
B) as this is a newly device, i am amazed to become a developer for this, but.. should i? i mean, there arent many tools for nexus 7 and i only know C++ coding, should i get this or an elder tablet with a strong community (as this is xda-developers)?
Get this one, for the horsepower, these are selling a lot right now and the community will grow quick like it did with the S4
C) wich are the advantages of having a nexus device? i mean, wich makes it superior than touchwiz or xperia?
This is my first nexus device, and what I like about it is that there is no bloat ware, it feels faster software wise and lighter. It starts up quickly and the performance is amazing. Updates are quick too, no need to wait for the slow updates from the carriers.
D) does the battery last for long? the HD and the processor makes me thing the battery drain is high. but, you are the owner of the tablet, you tell me.
I'm getting about 11 to 12 hours on a single charge, but that's different for everybody, it depends on the user
The Kindle Fire HD 2 will be a major 7 inch tablet contender. I'm looking forward to what it will bring with the redesign, Snapdragon 800 CPU and ROMs that will take advantage of it.
No regrets here in the purchase of the Nexus 7 2013. I was using a Lenovo A2107 and the speed difference is remarkable. It seems that the Nexus for $229 is a great deal, fully supported by Google (who will rule the world in the future) and it performs almost perfectly out of the box. It has many options built in like Qi charging, Bluetooth mouse/keyboard support in addition to BT audio. Great for Netflix. The WiFi is great, picks up weak signals that work fairly well. All in all, a very solid purchase. My Poetic Slimline case arrives tomorrow, looking forward to it to protect the glass since I don't like thick screen protector films. The screen glass seems somehow to not get all greased up like the old Lenovo. I'm very pleased with this inexpensive device. I spent over $1000 building a Windows desktop for work but I find myself using the Nexus for email, some browsing, and apps like timer, alarm clock, as well as watching movies. One drawback - lack of a SD socket - is overcome by using several online "cloud" free storage as long as WiFi is available - which in this town is everywhere....
Rob
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One drawback - lack of a SD socket - is overcome by using several online "cloud" free storage as long as WiFi is available - which in this town is everywhere...
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This can be mitigated somewhat by using an OTG cable plus a portable SD reader (or just a plain 'ol USB flash drive). Admittedly it is not QUITE as convenient as having a built in slot, but you can still easily put all your media/documents on it and not chew up space on the emulated SD drive.
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This can be mitigated somewhat by using an OTG cable plus a portable SD reader (or just a plain 'ol USB flash drive). Admittedly it is not QUITE as convenient as having a built in slot, but you can still easily put all your media/documents on it and not chew up space on the emulated SD drive.
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Yeah, kinda clumsy but definitely a solution. I'm just so used to SD slots back from the Palm T|X days. Have you seen the little one by meenova.com ? Small but I'd hate to snap it off by accident.
Rob
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Yeah, kinda clumsy but definitely a solution. I'm just so used to SD slots back from the Palm T|X days. Have you seen the little one by meenova.com ? Small but I'd hate to snap it off by accident.
Rob
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Yeah, I can't see the reason for not including at least a MicroSD slot. The hardware cost would be minimal. Of course, I've not opened one up, so it may just be out of real estate on the inside. Google does seen to eschew them.
Yup, saw those. I would consider it, but the only form of payment they take is credit cards, which I can't do for the moment. I'm not sure that I don't prefer a short OTG cable anyway. While it dangles, it seems to be much harder to snap one off as most of the bulk is at the other end of the cable.
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I'm not sure that I don't prefer a short OTG cable anyway. While it dangles, it seems to be much harder to snap one off as most of the bulk is at the other end of the cable.
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I see your point. The little meenova one just looks like it would be fragile and possibly damage the micro-usb socket on the tablet if you bump it. I'll probably go with a short cable - then I can use SD or sticks, with an adapter.
As this is my first tablet I can not compare to other ones. But to answer your questions
A) Gaming is great. Loads games fast. Compared to my Galaxy Nexus. Graphics and Display are great.
B) I am not a developer so I can not answer this.
C) I love close to vanilla android. I do root my devices and usually run CM.
D) Battery is great for me. I watched the hobbit the other day and went from 100% to just 90%. That is only 10% in a almost 3 hour movie. Gaming also gives me close the same battery type life.
Thanks guys, i got lots of answers, that means this is an active & friendly space, wich makes me happy.
i will use this for gaming,reading and waching movies in high definiton, also anyone has tried the HDMI ?
Nachospeicys said:
Thanks guys, i got lots of answers, that means this is an active & friendly space, wich makes me happy.
i will use this for gaming,reading and waching movies in high definiton, also anyone has tried the HDMI ?
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The only downside I have with the device is the glare on the screen. I have not tried the HDMI but want to know how good it works.
No regrets here.
Sent from my Nexus 7 (2013)
The Samsung Galaxy S3 has served me well, but it now seems to struggle. Some apps seem to be processor limited, then they open the default web browser and when exiting the browser I find the app restarts which I assume is because of lack of memory.
Likewise, Google Maps can get very sluggish and use up lots of memory when driving a route of over an hours duration. Google could probably make it better, but unlikely if it works OK on more modern phones.
So I'm considering an upgrade to the LG G3, which would mean doubling the RAM from 1GB to 2GB and upping the processor from 1.5Ghz to 2.5Ghz.
Would this make things better? Or is the amount of RAM allocated to user apps similar and so I'll still have the same problems?
I keep seeing people talk about overheating issues and cracks, are these really a problem ?
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The Samsung Galaxy S3 has served me well, but it now seems to struggle. Some apps seem to be processor limited, then they open the default web browser and when exiting the browser I find the app restarts which I assume is because of lack of memory.
Likewise, Google Maps can get very sluggish and use up lots of memory when driving a route of over an hours duration. Google could probably make it better, but unlikely if it works OK on more modern phones.
So I'm considering an upgrade to the LG G3, which would mean doubling the RAM from 1GB to 2GB and upping the processor from 1.5Ghz to 2.5Ghz.
Would this make things better? Or is the amount of RAM allocated to user apps similar and so I'll still have the same problems?
I keep seeing people talk about overheating issues and cracks, are these really a problem ?
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I haven't had a Galaxy SIII. Otherwise I come from a iPhone 4s, and before this I had a Sony-Ericsson Arc S. Personally speaking, I had a lot of problems with the Xperia: continuous rebooting, RAM limits, not software updates, etc. So I felt let down by Android, and I decide to switch to another platform. I can tell that the iPhone worked just fine, but I never felt comfortable in such a closed OS. Reading about technology and gadgets I realized that in three years Android had improved enough and it had become a very mature platform, so I came back to android. I chose the LG G3, because of the good reviews and the better price/value ratio, and I cant tell you that this was a very good decision. To sum up, the LG G3 is a very good device in every single aspect. It's cute, light and has an incredibly screen. Even with its huge 5.5' qHD screen, it's easily one hand managed. I heard complaints about poor battery life, overheating issues and lags. In contrast I never had one single issue: no lags, no overheating, great battery life and an incredible performance.
Last but not least the G3 has matured enough in the community to have a great developer support. Right now you can install Stock based Lollipop ROMs that will make your experience with this phone even better.
I bought my phone in July 2014. If, right now, I'd have to buy a new phone, it'd be the LG G3, again.
I came from S3. Totally new life with G3. No regrets.
I upgraded from an S3 too, no regrets whatshowever, the camera is a bit slower but the quality is so much better. As well as that, the screen is awesome! I strongly advise you to do so
I also upgrade from S3 to G3 (so many 3's )... The difference is huge. Much faster, great screen and not so big (for me is ok).
The only thing that dissapoint me is that in S3 we have so many roms, kernels, tweaks, etc etc and in G3 there are few (but goods )
So, for me, the upgrade is a Must and i'm really happy with that...
If you could get your hands on the 3GB ram version I would highly advise that to make it more future proof (you seem like a guy who wanna keep his phone for a while).
Thanks all, couldn't find a 3GB version, but ebuyer seem to be the cheapest, so bought it from there. Now just need to get them to actually deliver it. They've said they shipped via Yodel, which are not known for good customer service. Last package someone sent via them they lost!
I'll probably have lots of questions once I've got it!
I've been using the Nexus 5 as a developer test phone and the HTC M8 as my main phone, and now that the M8 is getting long in the tooth, I bought the HTC 10 a week ago, but the scroll stuttering and jitteriness and jankiness is far more apparent (even with transition animations).
Every SD 82x phone I tried in the stores had the same issues, though the LG G5, Moto Z, and Pixel were not as bad (in that order). Surprisingly the Galaxy S7 had the most jankiness.
Now that I have a Nexus 4, 5, M8, M9 (which I'm also testing), and 10 side-by-side, the smoothness is apparent in the 4, 5, M8, and M9, and the lag is apparent in the 10. I can't say it's just my specific phone because it's behaving exactly the same way I saw the demo models of it and the other SD 82x phones behave (minus the three better-performing ones I mentioned above).
Can someone explain this? I've tried everything I can think of to fix it, including clearing app/OS/Dalvik/etc cache, rebooting, wiping, etc... while I don't want to go back to an old phone, I'm just not impressed with the 82x phones and the Pixel is unavailable and the Moto Z & G5 may have too many inconvenient features for me (I'm on Verizon so I'm a bit limited on selection and I'm not sure a custom ROM overall makes my life easier).
Has anyone done any conclusive tests on this jankiness between the 80x/82x phones? I can make a video but it will take me awhile; I'd rather find an app to show the difference, or maybe I can record the screens through Android Studio though I haven't used it in a while.
I have the Z3 (SD801) and the 10 (SD820), i see exactly the opposite of what you are refering. Maybe a video can help to understand what are you refering.
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I've been using the Nexus 5 as a developer test phone and the HTC M8 as my main phone, and now that the M8 is getting long in the tooth, I bought the HTC 10 a week ago, but the scroll stuttering and jitteriness and jankiness is far more apparent (even with transition animations).
Every SD 82x phone I tried in the stores had the same issues, though the LG G5, Moto Z, and Pixel were not as bad (in that order). Surprisingly the Galaxy S7 had the most jankiness.
Now that I have a Nexus 4, 5, M8, M9 (which I'm also testing), and 10 side-by-side, the smoothness is apparent in the 4, 5, M8, and M9, and the lag is apparent in the 10. I can't say it's just my specific phone because it's behaving exactly the same way I saw the demo models of it and the other SD 82x phones behave (minus the three better-performing ones I mentioned above).
Can someone explain this? I've tried everything I can think of to fix it, including clearing app/OS/Dalvik/etc cache, rebooting, wiping, etc... while I don't want to go back to an old phone, I'm just not impressed with the 82x phones and the Pixel is unavailable and the Moto Z & G5 may have too many inconvenient features for me (I'm on Verizon so I'm a bit limited on selection and I'm not sure a custom ROM overall makes my life easier).
Has anyone done any conclusive tests on this jankiness between the 80x/82x phones? I can make a video but it will take me awhile; I'd rather find an app to show the difference, or maybe I can record the screens through Android Studio though I haven't used it in a while.
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You have a verizon phone?
On my Verizon 10 I've used VZW marshmallow, U.S Unlocked marshmallow, and Unlocked Nougat software. VZW mm was definitely not as smooth as unlocked mm, and gets completely blown out of the water by unlocked nougat.
The 10 is one of the consistently smoothest android devices I've ever used. Sure there is the odd hiccup here and there, but nothing like what you're experiencing so I'm inclined to say it's software related.
My guess is that what you are seeing is described in this article, which also explains how to make the problem visible to everyone: https://www.google.nl/amp/s/www.xda...vers-embarrassing-real-world-performance/amp/
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You have a verizon phone?
On my Verizon 10 I've used VZW marshmallow, U.S Unlocked marshmallow, and Unlocked Nougat software. VZW mm was definitely not as smooth as unlocked mm, and gets completely blown out of the water by unlocked nougat.
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Interesting; I wonder what's going on under the hood of the VZW phones that we can't detect? I've already disabled as many VZW as I could when I got the phone, and when I look at CPU-Z or GeekBench, everything seems to look fine... is there some way to find out what's going on? Like which exact [system] apps are drawing more power or CPU or RAM? Maybe there's a tweak under the hood that's inefficient, or VZW is tracking more info than it should.
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The 10 is one of the consistently smoothest android devices I've ever used. Sure there is the odd hiccup here and there, but nothing like what you're experiencing so I'm inclined to say it's software related.
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The Nexus 5 is the smoothest Android phone I've ever used, very close to iPhone quality (at least before Steve Jobs died). I'm not sure how to verify that the HTC 10 is as smooth as you describe, I haven't found any videos that reflect that, though I haven't checked T-Mobile or AT&T or Spring stores.
What contradicts it being VZW is how smooth the LG G6 and Moto Z runs... the latter about Nexus 5 quality, the former almost that.
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My guess is that what you are seeing is described in this article, which also explains how to make the problem visible to everyone: https://www.google.nl/amp/s/www.xda...vers-embarrassing-real-world-performance/amp/
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I tried the GPU Profiler, which is interesting, but seems buggy on this phone, as it froze some bars on the screen whenever I activated it (EDIT: I discovered this was due to Twilight running), and Chrome completely obscures it for some reason (the #1 app I use that I'm having the jank with). One odd thing I noticed while scrolling was that the frame rate would be mostly fine in settings, but when it hit the end/beginning of the list and after my finger was off the screen and the animation stopped, a bunch of new red bars would spike after the screen was doing nothing... very strange it would try to redraw redundant screens for another second but do it terribly too.
It would be nice to figure out what apps/functions are causing the spikes. Let me know what else you've tried or I should try that probably won't break the phone.
So I'll go play with some phones, exchange this one for a Moto Z, and maybe run the profiler on some other comparable phones.
Not being dismissive but I do not have this issue and nor have I had on any HTC phone since the evo 3d which was pants.
The 10 is silky smooth..I do use the pixel launcher but even with the sense lts been fine.
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My guess is that what you are seeing is described in this article, which also explains how to make the problem visible to everyone: https://www.google.nl/amp/s/www.xda...vers-embarrassing-real-world-performance/amp/
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Not being dismissive but I do not have this issue and nor have I had on any HTC phone since the evo 3d which was pants.
The 10 is silky smooth..I do use the pixel launcher but even with the sense lts been fine.
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I've noticed a surprising number of people don't notice jank (or frame rate issues) until they're pointed out, however I can't not notice them (and they're on every Android phone to varying degrees) as I expect the scrolling to behave consistently and when it's not it can drive me nuts because my eye or thumb go where the screen is expected to scroll to but then the content inconsistently goes there.
The easiest way to tell if your HTC 10 has jank is to go into Developer Options > Advanced, and enable "Profile GPU rendering", and if you're seeing a lot of vertical bars going above the horizontal bar (especially inconsistently or in huge blocks), that's where your jank is and will annoy most people; you can at least use that as an eye test for how well you notice jank (and I wish I didn't notice it).
Example: http://imgur.com/a/CzdOE
Testing the Nexus 5, Nexus 4, and Blackberry Priv (at Verizon), the Nexus 5 is *actually* buttery-smooth like 90+% of the time, the Nexus 4 has a lower average framerate but is still more smooth than any other Verizon phone I've owned, and the Priv hands down was the smoothest (with the highest consistent frame rate) even as shown by the GPU profiling bars (strange because it has a Snapdragon 808 and QHD), so I can't explain why some phones are better than others nor why the older processors seem to run better overall (an exception being the LG V20 at Sprint that ran beautifully with hardly any jank, though I didn't profile it).
What I'd like to know now is not which phones run better or not but what exactly is causing the jank; I've read that the profiler shows sub-60fps when a function takes longer than 16ms to process, so I'd like to know which functions in which classes in which apps are doing this, and I highly suspect Verizon (or maybe even Qualcomm) are inserting their own functions in what they considered their top flagships at the time to track usage or try to optimize performance their own way with the unintended (and apparently un-noticed) effect of reducing performance. There could be some issues with Qualcomm though I believe that's less likely.
If anyone knows how to capture these functions, please let me know, as I'll be looking into whether I can see Verizon's source code differences to see if they're doing what I think they're doing (otherwise there's something about their network CDMA/EVDO/LTE software and/or SIM card that's slowing things down).
Now that I have a HTC 10 in my possession (I did not when I previously replied to this topic), I must admit the jank you are seeing, to which I consider myself sensitive as well, is not there. I have it side by side with my Nexus 6 (which is very smooth) and the 10 is not any more 'janky' in places the Nexus is as well. I do have the international model without any carrier modifications, that will probably be in my favor as you mention. So overall, when it comes to performance of the UI and apps, I'm pleased. The Galaxy S7 Edge (exynos chipset) I have is so much worse, but on that device I do notice a positive difference when I start to tweak the kernel settings (change the governor and other such settings you should not have to worry about if the manufacturer did its job properly).
My problem with the HTC 10 is described in this thread, it regards a display refresh rate which I consider too low on the 10. Maybe you notice this as well?
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I've noticed a surprising number of people don't notice jank (or frame rate issues) until they're pointed out, however I can't not notice them (and they're on every Android phone to varying degrees) as I expect the scrolling to behave consistently and when it's not it can drive me nuts because my eye or thumb go where the screen is expected to scroll to but then the content inconsistently goes there.
The easiest way to tell if your HTC 10 has jank is to go into Developer Options > Advanced, and enable "Profile GPU rendering", and if you're seeing a lot of vertical bars going above the horizontal bar (especially inconsistently or in huge blocks), that's where your jank is and will annoy most people; you can at least use that as an eye test for how well you notice jank (and I wish I didn't notice it).
Example: http://imgur.com/a/CzdOE
Testing the Nexus 5, Nexus 4, and Blackberry Priv (at Verizon), the Nexus 5 is *actually* buttery-smooth like 90+% of the time, the Nexus 4 has a lower average framerate but is still more smooth than any other Verizon phone I've owned, and the Priv hands down was the smoothest (with the highest consistent frame rate) even as shown by the GPU profiling bars (strange because it has a Snapdragon 808 and QHD), so I can't explain why some phones are better than others nor why the older processors seem to run better overall (an exception being the LG V20 at Sprint that ran beautifully with hardly any jank, though I didn't profile it).
What I'd like to know now is not which phones run better or not but what exactly is causing the jank; I've read that the profiler shows sub-60fps when a function takes longer than 16ms to process, so I'd like to know which functions in which classes in which apps are doing this, and I highly suspect Verizon (or maybe even Qualcomm) are inserting their own functions in what they considered their top flagships at the time to track usage or try to optimize performance their own way with the unintended (and apparently un-noticed) effect of reducing performance. There could be some issues with Qualcomm though I believe that's less likely.
If anyone knows how to capture these functions, please let me know, as I'll be looking into whether I can see Verizon's source code differences to see if they're doing what I think they're doing (otherwise there's something about their network CDMA/EVDO/LTE software and/or SIM card that's slowing things down).
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I'm an avid overclocker on PC and a seasoned gamer, I tweak my system to get every single bit out of it, I can notice xfire jitter when most can't and can see drops in performance visually when usually a benchmarking tool is required, I'm not lying to you or trying to sound like you're going mental, there is obviously a problem present, I just don't have it.
Perhaps try my set up.
Vipers latest rom and the pixel launcher straight from Team Blackouts library, I have a very minimalistic phone with very little running so perhaps that too is a factor, I'm talking to social networking besides whatsapp and snapchat and they're disabled from startup until opened.
There could be many variables to take into consideration, a powersaver on the device could be the problem or simply heavy app load even from system and normal apps with no user interaction, it's a very subjective problem and seeing as others don't have it? I'd say it's not the device it's management of the system.
A clean install and a reboot, then allowed to settle with stock kernel would suffice to test to see if there is an issue with scrolling and jitter. I think until that's been done the debate will continue.
PS: Again not being funny or dismissive just my opinion.
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I'm an avid overclocker on PC and a seasoned gamer, I tweak my system to get every single bit out of it, I can notice xfire jitter when most can't and can see drops in performance visually when usually a benchmarking tool is required, I'm not lying to you or trying to sound like you're going mental, there is obviously a problem present, I just don't have it.
Perhaps try my set up.
Vipers latest rom and the pixel launcher straight from Team Blackouts library, I have a very minimalistic phone with very little running so perhaps that too is a factor, I'm talking to social networking besides whatsapp and snapchat and they're disabled from startup until opened.
There could be many variables to take into consideration, a powersaver on the device could be the problem or simply heavy app load even from system and normal apps with no user interaction, it's a very subjective problem and seeing as others don't have it? I'd say it's not the device it's management of the system.
A clean install and a reboot, then allowed to settle with stock kernel would suffice to test to see if there is an issue with scrolling and jitter. I think until that's been done the debate will continue.
PS: Again not being funny or dismissive just my opinion.
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Verizon locks the bootloader so it's a calculated risk for me to root my phone... not sure it's worth it. A different/stock ROM may cause the phone to perform as well as any other, but I haven't seen any evidence of it.
I'm not sure if you've run the GPU Profiler, but that's an assured way to compare with other phones how the frame-rate consistency is.
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Now that I have a HTC 10 in my possession (I did not when I previously replied to this topic), I must admit the jank you are seeing, to which I consider myself sensitive as well, is not there. I have it side by side with my Nexus 6 (which is very smooth) and the 10 is not any more 'janky' in places the Nexus is as well. I do have the international model without any carrier modifications, that will probably be in my favor as you mention. So overall, when it comes to performance of the UI and apps, I'm pleased. The Galaxy S7 Edge (exynos chipset) I have is so much worse, but on that device I do notice a positive difference when I start to tweak the kernel settings (change the governor and other such settings you should not have to worry about if the manufacturer did its job properly).
My problem with the HTC 10 is described in this thread, it regards a display refresh rate which I consider too low on the 10. Maybe you notice this as well?
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Did you compare them with the GPU Profiler in Developer Options? That's an assured way to eliminate any biases or subconscious filtering. You can even record video if you want; I would be curious to see the results.
Ultimately I would like to know how I could find out which function(s) are causing the frame rate to drop below 60 so consistently on these phones.
I can't tell if the issue you're describing in that thread is the same; the issue I'm describing is primarily smoothness, which isn't just frame rate or "refresh rate" whatever that is exactly, but consistency of frame rate (~30fps consistently would be completely fine with me). The jankiness is marked by stuttering, jitteryness, and laggyness, and is shown in the Profiler by a lot of chunky bars jumping up above the line inconsistently.
Here's two screenshots. First is the HTC 10 (Maximus rom, no further customization), other is a completely stock Nexus 6 on Android 7.1.1. The app on the screenshot is lightning browser, the website is androidpolice.com. The Nexus is a little smoother but not by much. It has some large spikes sometimes as well, just like the HTC 10. Both are much better than a Galaxy S7 Edge (Exynos). In terms of jank I rate them Nexus 6 (least jank) - HTC 10 - S7 (most jank).
I've never used a Google Nexus/Pixel before, because there are no samples in my region that I can have a run.
Is it true that the Pixel will remain buttery smooth throughout its entire lifespan (say 3 years) and is better than its competitors like Samsung in preventing rogue apps from mysteriously draining the battery over time?
I've been using Samsung all along and frankly quite tired of doing mods just to keep it fast, smooth, low-battery sucking, just like iPhone.
The only reason I've not jumped over to the Apple camp is because of the drag and drop functionality that Apple lacks.
Will the Pixel be very comparable to the iPhone in all aspects?
What will I lose (other than obvious things like the screen) by jumping from S8 to Pixel?
Lastly, when will Pixel 2 be out? Should I hold my breath for it? More interested in camera improvements.
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I've never used a Google Nexus/Pixel before, because there are no samples in my region that I can have a run.
Is it true that the Pixel will remain buttery smooth throughout its entire lifespan (say 3 years) and is better than its competitors like Samsung in preventing rogue apps from mysteriously draining the battery over time?
I've been using Samsung all along and frankly quite tired of doing mods just to keep it fast, smooth, low-battery sucking, just like iPhone.
The only reason I've not jumped over to the Apple camp is because of the drag and drop functionality that Apple lacks.
Will the Pixel be very comparable to the iPhone in all aspects?
What will I lose (other than obvious things like the screen) by jumping from S8 to Pixel?
Lastly, when will Pixel 2 be out? Should I hold my breath for it? More interested in camera improvements.
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1 - even after its EOL it will remain smooth, since we'll still have some dev working on it.
2 - mods other than visual customization are not needed on the Pixel XL. At least not to save battery.
3 - Hopefully the Pixel XL (although looking a little bit similar to the iPhone) will never be comparable with an iPhone.
4 - I don't own a S8 as I don't like Samsung devices, so i can't answer, sorry...
5 - Pixel XL 2 will most likely be released this autumn. Camera is already very nice in my opinion. If you have some money, go ahead. Otherwise wait six more months. It's up to you...
Cheers...
As someone who mainly used Samsung phones in past, I will not even consider S8 as anything. Why? Because of two reasons. First one is a personal requirement. I simply need a phone with smoothly working and consistent UI, which will lag the least, which will be reliable and not throw plenty FC and stuffs. And second one is a FACT. You wanna use an Android phone for real? Then use an android phone for real. Pixel IS Android. Samsung phones are Android in name. If you compare features of the two then Pixel will feel really dull, lacking in features.
Out of Pixel vs S8, I don't even see any point why in God's name would one choose the S8 over Pixel. Only one thing better is less bezels causing a huge and better display. Otherwise that glossy back panel, that fingerprint sensor positioning, a hardware second voice assistant button, jeez! And I am not even saying anything about their new Grace UI.
Pixel 2 will come out same time like Pixel 1 came out, around October.
After using Pixel for three months I have to say the phone simply rocked in most parts, incredible software experience, though still no iOS, that's why I sold it, incredible camera, that I can't forget from my mind, tremendous call quality, clean loud speaker etc., if someone really wanna buy an Android then there is no better phone, or nothing comes even close at this point.
I heard the software for the camera is lacking though. There are limited camera controls and the shutter speed can't go up to 30 seconds (not even with 3rd party Android apps). Is that true?
in addition, I noticed Samsung's weakness in GPS accuracy (this holds true from S2 days even to S8!). iPhone always gets the GPS position right the very first time and in quick time. Does the Pixel match up in this case?
dylansmith said:
I heard the software for the camera is lacking though. There are limited camera controls and the shutter speed can't go up to 30 seconds (not even with 3rd party Android apps). Is that true?
in addition, I noticed Samsung's weakness in GPS accuracy (this holds true from S2 days even to S8!). iPhone always gets the GPS position right the very first time and in quick time. Does the Pixel match up in this case?
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Hey,
Can't speak for the camera as for advanced sbot I'd use a DSLR. :good:
My GPS works well, no issue...
Your right, my SII gps.conf had to be tweaked to work properly.
Cheers...
dylansmith said:
I heard the software for the camera is lacking though. There are limited camera controls and the shutter speed can't go up to 30 seconds (not even with 3rd party Android apps). Is that true?
in addition, I noticed Samsung's weakness in GPS accuracy (this holds true from S2 days even to S8!). iPhone always gets the GPS position right the very first time and in quick time. Does the Pixel match up in this case?
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No manual controls. Only you can increase or decrease exposure that's it. Lowest shutter speed will be 1/4 with HDR+ I think, no less than that. And no, third party camera apps don't do **** here, all are basically meaningless.
But HDR+ as a whole is leagues ahead than other phones. I have never seen any phone capturing this much details in low light. The camera is brilliant in any way you at it. Just there are two problems, sometimes in low light it keeps focusing on the subject, and there is a blown out effect around light sources in a photo, which looks pretty bad when zoomed in.
GPS accuracy of the phone was awesome. Can't speak for iPhone but most accurate Android, fastest too, I have ever used.
I have a question too, since we are on the topic of switching. I'm thinking about switching from the s7 edge to a pixel/xl, and I was wondering are all the bootloaders for the pixel and xl unlock-able or do I have to look for a certain type?
loeffler23 said:
I have a question too, since we are on the topic of switching. I'm thinking about switching from the s7 edge to a pixel/xl, and I was wondering are all the bootloaders for the pixel and xl unlock-able or do I have to look for a certain type?
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Hello,
All models directly bought from Google can be unlocked.
Verizon, EE, maybe others, not sure. You can find more infos by reading this forum, it's here if you search... Those can be unlocked if the Android version is 7.1 with an exploit called dePixel8: http://theroot.ninja/depixel8.html
On newer version, the exploit has been patched. If i was you, I'd rather look for a Google version if you want an unlockable bootloader...
Cheers...
loeffler23 said:
I have a question too, since we are on the topic of switching. I'm thinking about switching from the s7 edge to a pixel/xl, and I was wondering are all the bootloaders for the pixel and xl unlock-able or do I have to look for a certain type?
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I went from S7 to Pixel XL and love it, but I'll go ahead and warn you; if you want the unlockable bootloader, don't buy it from Verizon, order it from the Google Store. The Verizon model (includes getting it at Best Buy) has an permanently locked (can't be unlocked) bootloader on current firmware, but the Google Store source Pixel should always be unlockable no matter what firmware it's updated to. Hope that's accurate, I think it is, unless someone comes up with an exploit to allow unlocking the Verizon bootloader.
Although the device works well in some aspects such as the camera and speed, it is the worst I've had in terms of a "phone". The amount of dropped and missed calls is just not acceptable. Do a search on google's pixel support forum and you'll see I'm not the only one. There's also other connectivity problems like bt and wifi that just shouldn't be. Also Google is shoving more and more ads and money makers for them into everything they do. Example: maps now has a Pacman game built in. They're also making it harder and harder on developers to modify their tracking devices. So, after being an Android fanboy for the last 6 yrs, I'll be looking elsewhere when this one dies the normal death (battery already not lasting through the day like when I bought it).
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Although the device works well in some aspects such as the camera and speed, it is the worst I've had in terms of a "phone". The amount of dropped and missed calls is just not acceptable. Do a search on google's pixel support forum and you'll see I'm not the only one. There's also other connectivity problems like bt and wifi that just shouldn't be. Also Google is shoving more and more ads and money makers for them into everything they do. Example: maps now has a Pacman game built in. They're also making it harder and harder on developers to modify their tracking devices. So, after being an Android fanboy for the last 6 yrs, I'll be looking elsewhere when this one dies the normal death (battery already not lasting through the day like when I bought it).
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Hello... If you experience one or more of the issues you describe, why not simply RMA your device? :good:
Cheers...
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Hello... If you experience one or more of the issues you describe, why not simply RMA your device? :good:
Cheers...
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Because I got it from Verizon while I could still unlock the bootloader. If I get another from them I won't be able to. Also if you read some of the support forums on VZW or Google you'll see getting another phone is not the answer as some have been through 3-5. The problem lies in the way the new technology in the chip interacts with the towers. So it depends more on where where you are and if the towers have been updated which will be a long time coming in the rural areas that I work in.
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Because I got it from Verizon while I could still unlock the bootloader. If I get another from them I won't be able to. Also if you read some of the support forums on VZW or Google you'll see getting another phone is not the answer as some have been through 3-5. The problem lies in the way the new technology in the chip interacts with the towers. So it depends more on where where you are and if the towers have been updated which will be a long time coming in the rural areas that I work in.
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Hey,
Ah... I understand you. Yeah the Verizon policy is really annoying for those wanting an unlockable bootloader.
Also, what makes other manufacturers better as they should pack the same technology in their new chips as well, no?
Cheers...
Hell-to-the-nah-naaaah
Without Xposed, I won't even consider an S8.
Actually, I wouldn't even if they got LOS or AOSP ROM's.
Even back when Galaxy phones did get that type of ROM support, they were always buggy A.F.
Wasn't till I got a Motorola X Pure and Google phone till I found out what a "stable" custom ROM was.
I was rooting & ROM'ing Galaxy Skyrocket, S3, S4, Note 3, Note 4... never had such stability as since the Pure and Pixel.
Sucks too, because I want those new slim bezels, 1000 nit screen, extra water resistance and glove mode if they still have it.
dylansmith said:
Is it true that the Pixel will remain buttery smooth throughout its entire lifespan (say 3 years)
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No, it is not true. Pixel XL uses Snapdragon 821 cpu, which is already obsolete today. The most current and fastest cpu in USA is Snapdragon 835, which is about 30% faster than 821 used in Pixel. In 3 years, this phone will be a complete hog, giving you maybe less that 15 frames per second... If Google keeps updating the OS. If it doesn't, it will stay the same speed. Ironic...
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Is it true that it is better than its competitors like Samsung in preventing rogue apps from mysteriously draining the battery over time?
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No, it is not true. Pixel XL is one of the worst battery draining flagship phones on the market today. Its use of Google Assistant constantly in the background is the major source of battery drain, unless you disable it. But when you disable it, you lose a lot of functionality like the weather widget on main screen, or any other functionality associated with it. Even Galaxy S7/8, with always on display technology, drains less battery than Pixel XL. It's a battery hog. On the other hand, it's active usage battery drain is compatible with other flagship phones. But when you turn off the screen, prepare for a beating.
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I've been using Samsung all along and frankly quite tired of doing mods just to keep it fast, smooth, low-battery sucking, just like iPhone.
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No, it's not true. You don't actually need to do mods to keep a 1-2 year old Samsung flagship phone running fast, smooth, and low-battery sucking. Perhaps your problems are with Google Services settings and Google's inability to fix bugs in their software. Avoid that software, use Samsung's instead.
dylansmith said:
Will the Pixel be very comparable to the iPhone in all aspects?
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Yes, that is true. Google Pixel XL will be a very basic phone with limited capabilities.
dylansmith said:
What will I lose (other than obvious things like the screen) by jumping from S8 to Pixel?
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Yes, it is true. You will lose quite a bit. Here's a list in no particular order:
1) Infinity Display / Curved edges / sense of style / 84% screen to body ratio.
2) Best brightness and best brightness in sunlight ratings.
3) HDR screen certification.
4) IP68 water and dust proofing.
5) Gorilla Glass 5 durability.
6) Wireless charging and Fast Wireless Charging.
7) Micro SD card expansion.
8) Best in class low light camera performance. Best in class camera sharpness performance. Best in class selfie camera.
9) Bluetooth 5.0
10) Always On Display.
11) LTE-4CA, twice faster LTE.
12) Samsung Pay, which works everywhere, even without NFC terminals. Works with magnetic stripe readers, which is unique, because no other pay systems can do that.
13) Iris scanner security.
14) SpO2 meter, heart rate sensor.
15) Desktop dock option with optimized desktop OS.
16) Bixby - **** Bixby. Minus 10 points here.
So, you see? You would be losing A LOT!
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No, it is not true. Pixel XL uses Snapdragon 821 cpu, which is already obsolete today. The most current and fastest cpu in USA is Snapdragon 835, which is about 30% faster than 821 used in Pixel. In 3 years, this phone will be a complete hog, giving you maybe less that 15 frames per second... If Google keeps updating the OS. If it doesn't, it will stay the same speed. Ironic...
No, it is not true. Pixel XL is one of the worst battery draining flagship phones on the market today. Its use of Google Assistant constantly in the background is the major source of battery drain, unless you disable it. But when you disable it, you lose a lot of functionality like the weather widget on main screen, or any other functionality associated with it. Even Galaxy S7/8, with always on display technology, drains less battery than Pixel XL. It's a battery hog. On the other hand, it's active usage battery drain is compatible with other flagship phones. But when you turn off the screen, prepare for a beating.
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So, you see? You would be losing A LOT!
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2 things
1 - The Pixel XL gives me 7 to 8 hours SOT, location and assistant all on normally. On standby, drain is less than 1%. I call that impressive.
2 - 821 may be the "not the best" but it is still the second best. I have both the iPhone 6 (not S), and the OnePlus One (running a Snapdragon 801) and they're both still rocking it and are smooth as butter. They are both 3 years old. Nothing gets slowed down or becomes heavy and stuttering unless you're installing a crapload of useless things on it. Pixel being a Pixel will get Android O and even Android P, which will surely optimize it even further.
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Is it true that the Pixel will remain buttery smooth throughout its entire lifespan (say 3 years)
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I get little pauses at times when some of my Tasker routines run, so realistically I doubt if I would describe the phone that way after three years.
I've been using Samsung all along and frankly quite tired of doing mods just to keep it fast, smooth, low-battery sucking, just like iPhone.
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I had an iPhone 7 before getting the regular Pixel. The iPhone clearly had better battery life for my usage patterns out of the box. I've made a bunch of changes to the Pixel so that it's comparable to the iPhone and my previous phone, but out of the box I would tend to expect Apple to have the edge.
Lastly, when will Pixel 2 be out?
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It will probably release during the same time of the year as the last two phones. The wiki has the announcement and first availability dates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_(smartphone)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_6P
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I get little pauses at times when some of my Tasker routines run, so realistically I doubt if I would describe the phone that way after three years.
I had an iPhone 7 before getting the regular Pixel. The iPhone clearly had better battery life for my usage patterns out of the box. I've made a bunch of changes to the Pixel so that it's comparable to the iPhone and my previous phone, but out of the box I would tend to expect Apple to have the edge.
It will probably release during the same time of the year as the last two phones. The wiki has the announcement and first availability dates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_(smartphone)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_6P
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Just curious, what changes have you made?
Rooting aside - as for the first time I do not feel a need to root a device.
A lot of my setup relies on Tasker to automatically make setting changes, so it requires root or something like AutoTools Secure Settings on an unrooted phone. My impression was that typically turning off adaptive brightness when indoors may be one of the bigger battery savers from the list. I also had issues with my phone burning through lots of battery when I left wifi on, so automatically shutting off wifi when not in use was another big battery saver, although I hadn't tried changing "Keep Wi-Fi on during sleep" before installing Tasker. I doubt if the average person would benefit much by things like turning off Google Assistant, but I was trying to get the best standby battery life that I could for the times when I just use the Pixel as nothing more than a phone for talking and texting.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=71146945&postcount=301
Hi,
I'm thinking of getting an S22, but I would appreciate your help with answering a few questions first: (if you don't want or can't answer these questions, please skip to the end of the post)
1. I understand that the Snapdragon version is much better. Is it also more supported community/ROM wise?
2. How is the battery life, if the phone is usually on idle, with a few phone talks over the day, some music, and lets say about 1 hour of screen time (continuously)? If that is the usage for a day, will it last for two days? (approximately, based on your experience)
3. This One UI, is it good, comfortable to use? Can it be replaced by replacing a launcher, or do you have to flash a new ROM?
4. Speaking of ROMs, I assume flashing ROMs/kernels is still pretty easy? The last Galaxy phone I had is the S1 and a lot of time has passed, but I remember not struggling much, and coursing through ROMs was a breeze.
5. I know you'll probably be biased towards the S22, but I'm debating over it VS the Pixel 7. Considering the fact that I can't use the unique features of the Pixel 7 (Google assistant screening spam calls, making appointments, etc.) since I don't live in the US or a country where these features are supported, and that I prefer smaller screens, which one should I choose?
In general, what do you think of the phone? Are you happy with it? Can you provide examples of pros and cons?
Thank you!
Limited max of 256gb internal storage, max of 8gb of ram, no expandable storage, and a small 3700 mAh for a power hungry Snapdragon.
Rounded display corners and a lousy ~87.4% screen-to-body ratio. blah.
Snapdragon's are notoriously hard or impossible to root. The stock launcher is superior to any 3rd party launcher.
If 5G and a variable refresh rate display (which are known to have multiple issues including less color/gamma accuracy) aren't important to you a N10+ in good condition or new is a better choice and cheaper. It's a solid performer.
Otherwise OP phones seem to have a better track record than the last 2 generations of Samsung's.
Thanks for your answer. Actually I'm perfectly fine with 128GB of storage, the amount of RAM is incredible (I'm not a heavy gamer, not even a gamer on mobile) and the screen size, ratio is fine for me I guess.
I am worried about the Snapdragon version being impossible to root, because the Snapdragon version phone is much faster from what I understand. Also it's very strange, I've had no problems rooting previous phones with Snapdragon.
It will sound funny but I do want a high refresh rate, for me it's important the the phone feels smooth. I'm already hearing about the Pixel 7 having scrolling issues and that concerns me because like I said, I'm also thinking about buying it, if not the S22.
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Thanks for your answer. Actually I'm perfectly fine with 128GB of storage, the amount of RAM is incredible (I'm not a heavy gamer, not even a gamer on mobile) and the screen size, ratio is fine for me I guess.
I am worried about the Snapdragon version being impossible to root, because the Snapdragon version phone is much faster from what I understand. Also it's very strange, I've had no problems rooting previous phones with Snapdragon.
It will sound funny but I do want a high refresh rate, for me it's important the the phone feels smooth. I'm already hearing about the Pixel 7 having scrolling issues and that concerns me because like I said, I'm also thinking about buying it, if not the S22.
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You lose nothing by waiting. I don't buy a new phone every year or two in part because it's always a crap shoot. Waiting reduces the odds of getting stuck with a dud. 128gb isn't much storage; my minimum is 256 and that's with a 1tb SD card used as a data drive. Basically it's my PC, all my PC's are dual drive, even laptops.
I keep seeing good things about OP, they seem to have less display issues. For a gamer that might be a good choice. My requirements are different from yours, I have one game which runs well
I really like Samsung's UI and the Good Lock family of apps that modify it. The almost endless free icon packs and themes on the Galaxy store. Pixels homescreen's look gaudy and barren by comparison. Not many stock mods either. Samsung's can run very well stock once optimized. They need to be optimized... and that will take time until you're up to speed.
Warning, learning curve ahead. That's another big reason I don't upgrade firmware or devices often if the device is fulfilling its mission. I'm a conservative pragmatist and will use whatever comes in handy. Think it through and get what best suits your requirements and fullfills the mission with minimal maintenance. That's all the counts
Media server in progress; 240gb in mostly .wav files, over 150gb, many are hd movies. All stream seamlessly from the V30 rated card. When watching them from storage my SOT is as low as 6%@hr vs browser streaming at 12%@hr. Writes at about [email protected] from internal storage.
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Because color accuracy and calibration directly impact gamma accuracy/calibration the fixed rate refresh rate display of the superb N10+ display is uniquely qualified for this role. My decision wasn't rushed or arbitrary when I went with a second N10+ as a backup. It was purely mission and fun oriented. For my purposes no other device even today is better suited or qualified... which is sort of sad.
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Thanks for your answer. Actually I'm perfectly fine with 128GB of storage, the amount of RAM is incredible (I'm not a heavy gamer, not even a gamer on mobile) and the screen size, ratio is fine for me I guess.
I am worried about the Snapdragon version being impossible to root, because the Snapdragon version phone is much faster from what I understand. Also it's very strange, I've had no problems rooting previous phones with Snapdragon.
It will sound funny but I do want a high refresh rate, for me it's important the the phone feels smooth. I'm already hearing about the Pixel 7 having scrolling issues and that concerns me because like I said, I'm also thinking about buying it, if not the S22.
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The P7's screen can "only" reach 90Hz while all S22 variants can go up to 120Hz, so it's not comparable.
Rooting Snapdragon models is a problem mostly for carrier devices. The Snapdragon S90xE models are easily rooted and also have twrp if you need it.
My S901E (regular S22) just got updated to android 13 which I obviously rooted too and it's running great.
Pixel 6 and 7 series are only older samsung exynos (oops tensor) devices with vanilla google os ...
If you're worried about S22's battery, just don't compare it with bigger phones, or at least just do some maths to convert its most relative known SOT to correspond to the target compared device's capacity. You'll end up saying "it's great for a 3700mAh battery, really great ..."
DaReDeViL said:
The P7's screen can "only" reach 90Hz while all S22 variants can go up to 120Hz, so it's not comparable.
Rooting Snapdragon models is a problem mostly for carrier devices. The Snapdragon S90xE models are easily rooted and also have twrp if you need it.
My S901E (regular S22) just got updated to android 13 which I obviously rooted too and it's running great.
Pixel 6 and 7 series are only older samsung exynos (oops tensor) devices with vanilla google os ...
If you're worried about S22's battery, just don't compare it with bigger phones, or at least just do some maths to convert its most relative known SOT to correspond to the target compared device's capacity. You'll end up saying "it's great for a 3700mAh battery, really great ..."
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What kind of SOT are you seeing now on an optimized S22? What's SOT with 5G disabled or if locked to 60hz?
DaReDeViL said:
Rooting Snapdragon models is a problem mostly for carrier devices. The Snapdragon S90xE models are easily rooted and also have twrp if you need it.
My S901E (regular S22) just got updated to android 13 which I obviously rooted too and it's running great.
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Good! The model I can buy locally is SM-S901E/DS, and I don't live in the US, so according to what you're saying, I can root it, right?
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What kind of SOT are you seeing now on an optimized S22? What's SOT with 5G disabled or if locked to 60hz?
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I was getting easy 5 to 7 hours SOT a day with no special optimization. 120Hz, no gaming, no social networks, just calls, surfing, taking pics, whatsapp messaging, youtube (revanced), ... and some fews other boring apps.
I can even get more if I switch from 4G to 3G and creating a 4G manual routine when needed (because why keep power hungry 4G during the day while I only need its speed occasionally)
TheeWolf said:
Good! The model I can buy locally is SM-S901E/DS, and I don't live in the US, so according to what you're saying, I can root it, right?
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Oh yes, you can!
Battery aside rest phone is awesome and compact. In n era of TV sized phones this phone is a beast
DaReDeViL said:
I was getting easy 5 to 7 hours SOT a day with no special optimization. 120Hz, no gaming, no social networks, just calls, surfing, taking pics, whatsapp messaging, youtube (revanced), ... and some fews other boring apps.
I can even get more if I switch from 4G to 3G and creating a 4G manual routine when needed (because why keep power hungry 4G during the day while I only need its speed occasionally)
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Lol, what's 3G? No such thing here anymore.
I run 4G with wifi always disabled. Google play Services, and Gmail are at most times disabled and all cloud apps never run. Playstore is rarely enabled. About 80 packages are blocked.
WhatsApp is likely killing more than it's fair share.
My stock N975U1 is getting a lot better SOT even with a derated battery (3400-3700 mAh).
My question is what's eating so much power, is it the display, 5G, the Android version (scooped storage)?
These newer phones have more efficient ram and the SOC should be more efficient as well.
Even now streaming vids I get 12-14%@hr. The battery is near replacement level (20% degraded)... when I get around to it.
blackhawk said:
Lol, what's 3G? No such thing here anymore.
I run 4G with wifi always disabled. Google play Services, and Gmail are at most times disabled and all cloud apps never run. Playstore is rarely enabled. About 80 packages are blocked.
WhatsApp is likely killing more than it's fair share.
My stock N975U1 is getting a lot better SOT even with a derated battery (3400-3700 mAh).
My question is what's eating so much power, is it the display, 5G, the Android version (scooped storage)?
These newer phones have more efficient ram and the SOC should be more efficient as well.
Even now streaming vids I get 12-14%@hr. The battery is near replacement level (20% degraded)... when I get around to it.
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Lol HSPA+ and even GPRS are still available in my country. Switching to 3G allows me to have slightly more SOT.
Regarding optimization, I learned the hard way that too much tinkering can give inverse results and even kill the "smart" part of the smartphone.
DaReDeViL said:
Lol HSPA+ and even GPRS are still available in my country. Switching to 3G allows me to have slightly more SOT.
Regarding optimization, I learned the hard way that too much tinkering can give inverse results and even kill the "smart" part of the smartphone.
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No 3G here killed my oldest phone.
Yeah if you go too nuts optimizing it will end up biting you. Beginning with Android 10 Samsung added dozens of small systems apks that mostly to modify the UI. Most shouldn't be touched.
My list of blocked packages is almost the same for the Q loaded N975U1 as used on the Pie loaded N975U though. Took quit a while to work it out the first time... dependencies are a witch.
For me the phone is fine in most regards.
Exynos is plenty fast for daily use and battery life is supposedly better than snap.
I am new to Samsung as well and am not impressed by modding options.
To me it is clear that Samsung is the most Apple like android.
Rooting is no issue, but you will lose DRM verification, so lower quality YouTube Netflix and such.
A PC is always needed to flash an update, which for some of us has been impossible without full wiping by the way.
I can get 2 days with light use similar to what you described.
I do have 5g disabled as 4g is crazy fast already where I live/work.
A bit of debloating, mostly as i am annoyed by all these apps being there.
Oneui is actually quite good, but some mods with good lock and running nova.
bamn said:
For me the phone is fine in most regards.
Exynos is plenty fast for daily use and battery life is supposedly better than snap.
I am new to Samsung as well and am not impressed by modding options.
To me it is clear that Samsung is the most Apple like android.
Rooting is no issue, but you will lose DRM verification, so lower quality YouTube Netflix and such.
A PC is always needed to flash an update, which for some of us has been impossible without full wiping by the way.
I can get 2 days with light use similar to what you described.
I do have 5g disabled as 4g is crazy fast already where I live/work.
A bit of debloating, mostly as i am annoyed by all these apps being there.
Oneui is actually quite good, but some mods with good lock and running nova.
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Thanks!
A bummer with DRM, I thought this was exclusive to Sony (I currently own Xperia XZ2 compact), didn't think I'd encounter the dilemma whether to root or not because of this DRM again.
A question (for everyone here), how is call quality? Can you hear the other person clearly, can they hear you clearly? Is the speaker loud enough when on speaker?
I know it's a basic question but it's something I thought about because Google started rolling out "Clear calling" in the Pixel 7 and although I'm very much leaning to the S22, this seems like an important advantage of the Pixel (unless somehow the feature will reach Samsung or people with other phones).
Yeah DRM sucks a bit, especially since the screen is worth the quality content.
I found out after rooting only, but I can definitely live with it.
To me rooting is still worth it in the end.
Not much to say regarding call quality, i don't call a lot.
I have never been bothered with the quality or speaker volume so I suppose it's not very bad.
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Thanks!
A bummer with DRM, I thought this was exclusive to Sony (I currently own Xperia XZ2 compact), didn't think I'd encounter the dilemma whether to root or not because of this DRM again.
A question (for everyone here), how is call quality? Can you hear the other person clearly, can they hear you clearly? Is the speaker loud enough when on speaker?
I know it's a basic question but it's something I thought about because Google started rolling out "Clear calling" in the Pixel 7 and although I'm very much leaning to the S22, this seems like an important advantage of the Pixel (unless somehow the feature will reach Samsung or people with other phones).
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DRM can be fixed by magisk modules.
Call quality is great even on loudspeaker.
TheeWolf said:
Hi,
I'm thinking of getting an S22, but I would appreciate your help with answering a few questions first: (if you don't want or can't answer these questions, please skip to the end of the post)
1. I understand that the Snapdragon version is much better. Is it also more supported community/ROM wise?
2. How is the battery life, if the phone is usually on idle, with a few phone talks over the day, some music, and lets say about 1 hour of screen time (continuously)? If that is the usage for a day, will it last for two days? (approximately, based on your experience)
3. This One UI, is it good, comfortable to use? Can it be replaced by replacing a launcher, or do you have to flash a new ROM?
4. Speaking of ROMs, I assume flashing ROMs/kernels is still pretty easy? The last Galaxy phone I had is the S1 and a lot of time has passed, but I remember not struggling much, and coursing through ROMs was a breeze.
5. I know you'll probably be biased towards the S22, but I'm debating over it VS the Pixel 7. Considering the fact that I can't use the unique features of the Pixel 7 (Google assistant screening spam calls, making appointments, etc.) since I don't live in the US or a country where these features are supported, and that I prefer smaller screens, which one should I choose?
In general, what do you think of the phone? Are you happy with it? Can you provide examples of pros and cons?
Thank you!
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1. I have SD version. I used to flash Custom ROMs on all my previous phone after those stop receiving updated OS. Also for not missing out new features. Right now, with 4 years of OS guarantee by Samsung, I don't see myself going for custom ROMs on my S22. I use Magisk and a few other modules.
2. Battery life is very subjective and personal. For me, it lasts 24 hours on a single charge with 30% left before I charge it again. I don't play heavy games. I have Sudoko, Alto's Adventure, and Flappy Bird (hahaha).. Just to pass the time when I am waiting for someone or something. That's it. I save the heavy/real gaming for bigger screens and PC (for better experience)
I too had less than ideal battery endurance during the first two weeks. It's been the case for the past Samsung devices I have used. So, I knew it would improve after settling in. I resetted the phone before I manually configured the apps and transferred my old data to S22. (Painfully long process) Usually do with Titanium Backup Pro but I wanted it to be a fresh start.
On a regular day.. Connected on WIFI always. 2 SIM cards (1st 2G/3G/4G and 2nd only 2G). I use Slack with 3 different workspaces. 5 Emails on Gmail ( 3 syncing regularly), 1 Samsung account syncing, 2 more work emails syncing on Samsung Email app. Some Chrome use. FlipBoard, Pocket, and Medium reading at the end of the day. Whatsapp, Whatsapp Business, and Telegram usage. Google Drive and Sheet. A few pics here and there.
10 mins of Social media if neeeded. Sometimes music. No watching videos on a regular day. Some 30-60 mins of calls. Buds Pro and Amazfit T Rex Pro connected always.
I get 4 to 5 hours of Screen on Time with 22 to 24 hours overall usage, still with 30% battery remaining. I don't spend time outdoor during day time, so the screen doesn't have to be fully lit. Auto Brightness manages it. Biggest draw on battery for me is the video call, some 18-20% an hour. Next is the outdoor navigation for 10 mins, lost like 3-4%.
I have removed FB app, MS apps and a few Google apps. Also a few Samsung apps which I found no use for. Though I have Root, I found ADB is much easier than Root for removing/disabling these apps. 120 Hz Adaptive refresh rate on. Adaptive Battery. Add some apps to Deep Sleep. That's it. Greenify didn't seem to make a difference in my usage. So stopped.
Accubattery Stats are like.. Discharge 1% an hour on Standby and 10% an hour on screen usage (Wifi and indoors). (I have installed around 100 third party apps on this phone)
I was waiting on the sidelines for the first few months. Was waiting for Samsung to release some updates and improve the battery endurance (as usual). Online reviews were mostly negative due to their usage patterns. My usage is different from theirs. I am still little upset at Samsung for being a jerk by reducing the battery capacity instead of increasing it, just like any other greedy company. So the negative reviews are necessary to call out their wicked move. Hey, if your usage is something like mine, you can go ahead. It's not bad at all. Better battery than my S8 when it was new and 20% less efficient than my S20 FE 5G or A52.
3. I am on One UI 5.0 Stable/Rooted. So far, So good. Minor but good improvements from One UI 4.1. I am using Nova Launcher Prime.. been like this for the last 5 years. I just don't like the homescreen and app drawer arrangements on One UI. That's all. Everything else is so good. I personally love One UI for its functionality. It has evolved a lot. People complain about bloatware either have not used One UI 3 or later versions on flagship devices. Bloatwares are there in mid and low end devices, that too getting less nowadays (comparing with M12).
4. I too was tempted to try custom Kernel during the first week. But I wanted to wait and see what this device had to offer in terms of battery life. I am happy without custom kernel. Flashing Custom ROMs and kernels are just like any other Samsung phones. But I find it much easier than Moto or Xiaomi phones.
5. I replaced my S8 with S20 FE 5G and I didn't like the size. I replaced it with S22. Compactness, easy to use. Better cameras than S20 FE 5G. Average battery life. Good build. One UI is good. If I had the chance to decide again, I would still choose S22 over Pixel 7 or 7 Pro. Overall experience matters than a few extra features.
I hope this helps!
Edit: One UI 5.0 has come with a feature, Bixby Text Call - similar to Pixel's Call Screening feature. I have no use for it. I haven't tried it. Currently, the translation/transcription only supports Korean language.
Call Quality with and without Wifi Calling/VOLTE enabled, is super clear for both parties. Better than any phone I have used, even their own S8, A52, and S20 FE 5G. Even on loud speaker, I would sit a few feet away from my phone and still it would be clear to both parties without any issues. We also have inbuilt sound quality settings to tweak to our needs. I found this for the first time on One UI 4.0
@Vorion Thank you so much for this very detailed answer!
By the way, about the Bixby text call, from what I understand it's not like the Pixel's call screening feature, it's actually designed to make you communicate with someone in a "text call" - you type messages, the other side hears your messages in a Bixby's automated voice. What the other side says you will read as it will be converted to text.
TheeWolf said:
Hi,
I'm thinking of getting an S22, but I would appreciate your help with answering a few questions first: (if you don't want or can't answer these questions, please skip to the end of the post)
1. I understand that the Snapdragon version is much better. Is it also more supported community/ROM wise?
2. How is the battery life, if the phone is usually on idle, with a few phone talks over the day, some music, and lets say about 1 hour of screen time (continuously)? If that is the usage for a day, will it last for two days? (approximately, based on your experience)
3. This One UI, is it good, comfortable to use? Can it be replaced by replacing a launcher, or do you have to flash a new ROM?
4. Speaking of ROMs, I assume flashing ROMs/kernels is still pretty easy? The last Galaxy phone I had is the S1 and a lot of time has passed, but I remember not struggling much, and coursing through ROMs was a breeze.
5. I know you'll probably be biased towards the S22, but I'm debating over it VS the Pixel 7. Considering the fact that I can't use the unique features of the Pixel 7 (Google assistant screening spam calls, making appointments, etc.) since I don't live in the US or a country where these features are supported, and that I prefer smaller screens, which one should I choose?
In general, what do you think of the phone? Are you happy with it? Can you provide examples of pros and cons?
Thank you!
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I have had my S22 for approximately 2 months and am not happy with it. It is more to do with Samsung than the device because I had a S9+ before and traded it for the S22. The Samsung advertising leaves a lot to be desired. It said I could get a S22 Ultra with my tradein for only a couple hundred. As it turned out the S22 was almost full price. They said the offer was for a S22+ traded in for S22 Ultra would only be a couple hundred. So I settled for the S22. I just should have had my S9+ fixed (The front and back separated from the frame). The S22 doesn't have a micro card slot so you can't add memory(storage). The side buttons are different fromt he S9+ and positioned differently so I continually hit the wrong buttons. I don't know the Pixel 7 so I can't compare that one. I just know I'm not happy with the S22.