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Thinking of buying the M9

Hello,
I currently have an iPhone 6 and have my upgrade coming on Monday. I've been looking to move to android because of the iPhones bad battery life and lack of customisation.
I've looked at the HTC one M9 in shops and I really like the UI and the feel of the phone, however I am concerned about the "heating issue" and the "terrible battery life" I've read about in reviews.
I'd like to know a bit about your experiences with the M9 and what you're doing when it heats up and how hot it gets?
Thanks in advance!

wazza1212 said:
Hello,
I currently have an iPhone 6 and have my upgrade coming on Monday. I've been looking to move to android because of the iPhones bad battery life and lack of customisation.
I've looked at the HTC one M9 in shops and I really like the UI and the feel of the phone, however I am concerned about the "heating issue" and the "terrible battery life" I've read about in reviews.
I'd like to know a bit about your experiences with the M9 and what you're doing when it heats up and how hot it gets?
Thanks in advance!
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The heating issue is real, not because the CPU gets really hot, I don't think it does, but because of the metal of the phone. If you're not gaming, you won't feel extreme heat. It will heat up a bit more than usual if you're using the camera for a while, not just for 5 quick pictures. If you're browsing for a while also. But it's not the same heat produced as while gaming, that's another level lol, very hot. My Galaxy S5 and other phones also get very hot while gaming. They feel less hot because they're not metal. If it heats up a lot, you either endure it, put a case on, or just turn off the screen for a few minutes until it cools down.
The battery life isn't bad actually! It's better than the LG G4 and almost as good as the Galaxy S5.

Ramsey said:
The heating issue is real, not because the CPU gets really hot, I don't think it does, but because of the metal of the phone. If you're not gaming, you won't feel extreme heat. It will heat up a bit more than usual if you're using the camera for a while, not just for 5 quick pictures. If you're browsing for a while also. But it's not the same heat produced as while gaming, that's another level lol, very hot. My Galaxy S5 and other phones also get very hot while gaming. They feel less hot because they're not metal. If it heats up a lot, you either endure it, put a case on, or just turn off the screen for a few minutes until it cools down.
The battery life isn't bad actually! It's better than the LG G4 and almost as good as the Galaxy S5.
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Awesome! Will probably get the M9 then!
Thanks!

My advice would be to get Note 4. They are extremely underrated and you can get one for 350-400 eur brand new on a fle market. At least in my country. IMO much much better phone than M9 or any other SD 810 heat machine. Better pictures, better battery life, no heat under any condition, great display, s-pen and with latest update the only android that can measure with ios IMHO.
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doctor78SI said:
My advice would be to get Note 4. They are extremely underrated and you can get one for 350-400 eur brand new on a fle market. At least in my country. IMO much much better phone than M9 or any other SD 810 heat machine. Better pictures, better battery life, no heat under any condition, great display, s-pen and with latest update the only android that can measure with ios IMHO.
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While the Note 4 is great, don't forget how laggy it can get. Not much controls over your camera's shots. You can take really good pics with the M9 if you know how to use manual mode or raw. Try ProShot, Snap Camera, and Camera FV-5, they can improve the quality of pictures without using manual mode.
Touchwiz software also can get annoying at times, and the phone is very big and tough to use with one hand. Samsung doesn't update much their phones after a certain time, which is disappointing. I've owned many of their phones.
You will get heat when gaming regardless of what phone you're using.
The M9 is smooth and Sense measures to iOS way more than Samsung's software (except in responsiveness of scrolling). The M9 doesn't have the best screen though.

One thing I am 110% sure of is that you will get much better pictures overall with Note 4. Unless you are an experienced photographer that knows what he is doing and you will take extra time for each of you picture you will need a good point and click camera and this is where M9 gets nowhere near Note 4. And you can flash all those different camera apps on Note 4 as well so ...
With the latest update and using nova launcher this phone is smooth as it gets and battery life is awsome.
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Questions and Concerns 5X

Questions:
Why does it take forever to install ANY app?
Why is the camera so laggy? Did they really consider this as a production release?
How can I disable encryption? I really feel like the phone would open up without it.
How much thinner does the 6P feel than the 5X? I went from an S6 Edge to the 5X and the 5X feels like a thick plastic brick.
Concerns:
Super slow app install
Screen is average
Speaker quality and volume is atrocious
It's bigger than you think it is
Off screen notifications (like Moto) is nowhere near as good
Cellular antenna is lower quality than my S6
If anyone else has any questions let me know. I am seriously considering trading this in for a 6P (even though I hate huge phones) or just returning it altogether and keeping my S6.
After all of this thinking, I just wish Samsung and Google could do Google Play edition phones again. Samsung seems to get it right in the design and hardware perspective, and Google obviously gets it right with software.

I feel exactly the same as you do in this respect. But comparing the 5x to the Galaxy s6 is not entirely fair as one is a premium £500+ phone, whilst the other is considered a mid tier budget handset.
I've been comparing it to the Nexus 5, which the 5x is supposed to be a successor to. But I'm underwhelmed and disappointed, especially in respects to the sound/audio quality, the hard plastic and the stuttered performance.

withdrawn said:
I feel exactly the same as you do in this respect. But comparing the 5x to the Galaxy s6 is not entirely fair as one is a premium £500+ phone, whilst the other is considered a mid tier budget handset.
I've been comparing it to the Nexus 5, which the 5x is supposed to be a successor to. But I'm underwhelmed and disappointed, especially in respects to the sound/audio quality, the hard plastic and the stuttered performance.
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I agree it isn't fair to compare the design to a phone nearly twice it's price. But it is all that I have to compare to, so it was done. I wish the 6P could've came in the 5X size. I would've even paid the same price.

Disabling the encryption will require a custom kernel I believe(and a wipe of your data). On the Nexus 6 it was like a one line code change and someone always posted one almost immediately after an update was released. Since rooting also requires a custom kernel on marshmallow I would imagine we'll see them pop up fairly quickly.

Syn Ack said:
I agree it isn't fair to compare the design to a phone nearly twice it's price. But it is all that I have to compare to, so it was done. I wish the 6P could've came in the 5X size. I would've even paid the same price.
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Me too. That would have been awesome if the only difference between both models were the screen sizes! Similar to the Iphone 6 and 6plus i guess.
But such is google and such is life
But back to the 5x, there really in not an excuse for the poor audio/sound. I cannot get over how bad and low it is, headphoned and without! I keep thinking.. wait.. is this some sort of joke or a prank or something by google!
But I have to accept facts. I think I will be returning it to be honest..

Syn Ack said:
Questions:
Why does it take forever to install ANY app?
Why is the camera so laggy? Did they really consider this as a production release?
How can I disable encryption? I really feel like the phone would open up without it.
How much thinner does the 6P feel than the 5X? I went from an S6 Edge to the 5X and the 5X feels like a thick plastic brick.
Concerns:
Super slow app install
Screen is average
Speaker quality and volume is atrocious
It's bigger than you think it is
Off screen notifications (like Moto) is nowhere near as good
Cellular antenna is lower quality than my S6
If anyone else has any questions let me know. I am seriously considering trading this in for a 6P (even though I hate huge phones) or just returning it altogether and keeping my S6.
After all of this thinking, I just wish Samsung and Google could do Google Play edition phones again. Samsung seems to get it right in the design and hardware perspective, and Google obviously gets it right with software.
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I wondering if you have a faulty phone.
1. Apps don't seem to install slow for me unless they are very large. Even then it isn't super long.
2. I haven't experienced any lag with the camera so far. The app opens pretty quickly and takes pictures as fast as I can tap the button.
3. Not sure how to disable encryption but I do know that it requires a full wipe of the phone.
4. The Nexus 5X is only 0.9mm thicker than the S6 Edge and doesn't feel thick to me at all. I actually wish it was like 10-11mm with a HUGE battery. I've never understood this obsession with super thin phones.
The screen looks great, very sharp, gets more than bright enough and colors are accurate. I would prefer an AMOLED but not too upset about it. The speaker quality and volume aren't super fantastic but far from being "atrocious". It's about what I would expect from a speaker that's tiny enough to fit in a smartphone and it's better than the Nexus 5 for sure. I haven't used the Moto display notifications enough to make a comparison but the Ambient display feature is pretty nice so far. I also haven't noticed any issues with antenna quality but I haven't been in very low reception areas yet.
And the best part about the Nexus 5X compared to the Galaxy S6 is that you don't have to put up with that god awful TouchWiz garbage. You get PURE Android instead of Samsung's bastardized excuse for "Android".
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Syn Ack said:
I agree it isn't fair to compare the design to a phone nearly twice it's price. But it is all that I have to compare to, so it was done. I wish the 6P could've came in the 5X size. I would've even paid the same price.
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I would have liked the Nexus 6P in the size of the Nexus 5X too or preferably smaller like a 5.2" screen with very slim bezels but I'd still rather have the Snapdragon 808 over the Snapdragon 810 which, even with revision 2.1 still has heating and throttling issues.

jimv1983 said:
I would have liked the Nexus 6P in the size of the Nexus 5X too or preferably smaller like a 5.2" screen with very slim bezels but I'd still rather have the Snapdragon 808 over the Snapdragon 810 which, even with revision 2.1 still has heating and throttling issues.
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All of the "bad characteristics" of the 810 are present in the 808. In fact, the 808 basically *is* an 810 with a few parts that didn't pass testing having been disabled.

doitright said:
All of the "bad characteristics" of the 810 are present in the 808. In fact, the 808 basically *is* an 810 with a few parts that didn't pass testing having been disabled.
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It's my understanding that those few parts that were disabled were the same things causing the issues on the 810. On one of the threads here someone someone was talking about disabled some cores and underclocking to effectively turn the 810 into an 808 and resolve the issues the 810 is known for.

jimv1983 said:
It's my understanding that those few parts that were disabled were the same things causing the issues on the 810. On one of the threads here someone someone was talking about disabled some cores and underclocking to effectively turn the 810 into an 808 and resolve the issues the 810 is known for.
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The 810 never actually had such an issue that you could solve it like that. True it eats lots of power, makes lots of heat, and is forced to scale back to lower frequencies and *automatically shut off cores*. Until they start putting a cooling fan in phones, ALL CPUs will respond this way when they work hard and get hot. This is normal and expected behavior. The only thing with the SD810, is that it has a pack of Cortex A57's, which, regardless of who stamps them out into what SoC, are going to do the exact same thing.
But you can't SOLVE the "problem" by turning off 2 cores, since it does that *automatically* when it gets too hot.
Not that this improves matters for the 808, since those two A57's are more than enough to hit the temperature limit after a few seconds of running hard. Just that its a few *more* seconds than the 810... but the 810 gets more work done in that time.

Question: without an SD card and only internal storage, how will we be able to back up (eg Titanium Backup, Nova settings etc) without losing said backups in a data wipe when flashing roms?

doitright said:
The 810 never actually had such an issue that you could solve it like that. True it eats lots of power, makes lots of heat, and is forced to scale back to lower frequencies and *automatically shut off cores*. Until they start putting a cooling fan in phones, ALL CPUs will respond this way when they work hard and get hot. This is normal and expected behavior. The only thing with the SD810, is that it has a pack of Cortex A57's, which, regardless of who stamps them out into what SoC, are going to do the exact same thing.
But you can't SOLVE the "problem" by turning off 2 cores, since it does that *automatically* when it gets too hot.
Not that this improves matters for the 808, since those two A57's are more than enough to hit the temperature limit after a few seconds of running hard. Just that its a few *more* seconds than the 810... but the 810 gets more work done in that time.
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But if you are underclocking then the CPU is less likely to get to the point where it has shut some things down. With 2 cores disabled from the start and the remaining cores under clocked it does make it better. From what I understand the 810, which gets to that point much faster, will actually become worse than the 808 once it gets to the point where it has to scale back.

Is it worth to move form N5 to N5X now?

Hi
I know that there is a lot of similar threads, but I read it and still don't know what should I do.
Is is worth to move? I believe that there is a lot of people which moved from N5 to N5X.
In daily using is there any difference in smooth and performance?
Big plus for mi is Android N

To be honest with you, it's even a downgrade.
I moved from N5 to Xiaomi Mi4C and then to N5X (because I love to tinker around) and if the screen on my old Nexus 5 wouldn't be broken, I would go back to the Nexus 5 without hesitating and I would look forward to it.
1. The camera is utterly crap if you want to make close-up pictures, otherwise it's just okay.
2. The cpu is janky, it lags here and there even with encryption disabled and even with custom kernel and custom roms. I would often like to smash the phone against the wall because it takes so long to do basic tasks...
3. The cpu, it gets so hot I could burn my skin with it from time to time (hotspot + using your phone? Burn your fingers...). Even browsing and listening to music seems to stress the cpu that much that it heats up extremely. Custom kernel and custom rom do indeed improve it a bit, but the problem is still there and noticeable
4. The sound is really quiet/silent and as soon as you turn the volume up it gets distorted. Listening to music with just the phones speakers is a huge pain.
5. The battery life is miserable, okay compared to the N5 it's at least not worse and it will get better with Android N as I already tested out for a week.
Honestly, keep your N5 and wait until they release the new ones, but don't buy the N5X. You will be so disappointed by its performance.
You can get Android N on the N5 without any big problems via custom rom which will be probably released shortly after the final Android N version is released . It's no problem to flash it to the N5 and you won't loose warranty (which I guess is already over)
PS; Nobody has to tell me my N5X may be defective, the 3 workmates who bought the N5X as well are complaining constantly about those points as well.

creambyemute said:
2. The cpu is janky, it lags here and there even with encryption disabled and even with custom kernel and custom roms. I would often like to smash the phone against the wall because it takes so long to do basic tasks...
3. The cpu, it gets so hot I could burn my skin with it from time to time (hotspot + using your phone? Burn your fingers...). Even browsing and listening to music seems to stress the cpu that much that it heats up extremely. Custom kernel and custom rom do indeed improve it a bit, but the problem is still there and noticeable
PS; Nobody has to tell me my N5X may be defective, the 3 workmates who bought the N5X as well are complaining constantly about those points as well.
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Definitely agree on most of your points as a 5x owner. But i never had problems with my cpu like you do. My phone is heavily filled with apps and stuff and it doesn't lag at all. Sometimes it's a bit jerky here and there but that's it. And on point 3. nearly all the smartphones have that issue it's the build material that makes it feel so hot. if you take for example a samsung phone with the same cpu but their build quality with the glass and metal it will feel far less hot. but yeah wait for the new nexus!

It's a noticeable upgrade in just about every way from a N5 and worth the upgrade IMO.
After 8 months I've seen no performance issues with my 5x and the graphics performance (gaming) is 2x higher especially over long gaming runs as the graphical performance doesn't hit rock bottom like it did with the N5 after warming up.
The camera is top notch. Same camera as the Nexus 6p, you'll see only praise for it around the internet. No other phone camera comes close at this price range.
Heat generation is actually a huge improvement over the N5. The N5 could see skin temperatures up to 10C higher than the 5x, so if people think their 5x gets hot then they haven't ever used a N5. Here's an exert from one of the few review sites that tests for thermals, skin temperature specifically.
With idle temperatures of just over 25 °C, the Nexus 5X hardly heats up noticeably in idle mode. The handset is also unexpectedly cool under load despite the relatively strong SoC. The hottest spot measured reaches just 37.4 °C here - other premium smartphones often surpass 40 °C. The review sample can even shine with the lowest rates compared with its rivals.
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http://www.notebookcheck.net/Google-Nexus-5X-Smartphone-Review.155885.0.html
Size difference, the bigger screen is nice and even noticeable but the 5x is a lot taller than it needs to be so the N5 would win in total size and screen to bezel ratio.
External speaker. It sounds about the same but it gets 1 or 2 steps louder and facing forward is an improvement.
Back cover discolouration. My carbon black seems to get permanent smudges that can be seen under certain lighting conditions.

bokilz said:
Sometimes it's a bit jerky here and there but that's it. And on point 3. nearly all the smartphones have that issue it's the build material that makes it feel so hot.
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You may call that jerky, we call it laggy, janky whatever. But you do agree it's not as fluid as the N5? Or could you even ever compare the N5 to the N5X? It is by no means fluid and for me not an acceptable performance. My N5 runs rounds around the N5X when it's not about gaming. And exactly that is my point. Why is the N5 in basic tasks (Menu, browsing, scrolling, animations) faster than the N5X? I didn't expect a downgrade in everyday task performance and it hit me hard in the disappointment section.
bblzd said:
It's a noticeable upgrade in just about every way from a N5 and worth the upgrade IMO.
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It's just an upgrade if you are constantly playing games (performance wise). In the most basic tasks the N5 crushes the N5X performance. But the thread starter can decide that himself if he buys the N5X and I would really like to hear his opinion then after comparing the two devices
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The camera is top notch. Same camera as the Nexus 6p, you'll see only praise for it around the internet. No other phone camera comes close at this price range.
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Are you kidding? I agree the camera is better than the one found in N5 but my Mi4C took way better pictures than the N5X and several levels better when capturing some close distance shots (really close distance) and you know what? The Mi4C is cheaper.
I don't want to sound like the camera is bad in every aspect, but top notch is fanboy talk...
Actually whenever I wanted to take a close distance picture with an N5X I always ended up with the picture being blurred to the point I couldn't even recognize what should be on the picture :crying:.
Some people also say the Nexus 9 is a very good tablet whereas my mate and I who bought the devices together would call it the worst nexus product until now
Now let me mention some things I like about the N5X because I don't totally hate the device and I'm just so disappointed that the performance is worse than on the N5 in almost every situation.
- Screen: I already got several compliments that the screen is well calibrated and looks pretty good.
- USB C: It's positive as well as negative. I like the new connector, but all of my friends who don't have it hate it because they can't use my charger nor my cable
- Front facing speakers (just don't turn the volume up too much, otherwise the sound gets ****ty)
- Quick Charging: Absolutely love that! Helped me out in many situations where I just needed like 20-30% more charge to get through the day or the night.
- Screen gets activated when you lift the phone from the desk or out of your pocket, pretty convenient
- You'll maybe be able to access the notification tray and quick settings panel with the fingerprint scanner in Android N

So it is really worse performance N5X than N5 in daily using?
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atomic339 said:
So it is really worse performance N5X than N5 in daily using?
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I don't know if I would go that far. I feel like with my N5, I had to choose between a smooth experience or battery life. With the N5X it that isn't so much the case. That being said, there are times where this phone will lag on even the most simplest of tasks with no explanation or reason. It's beyond frustrating. At this point you're better off waiting for the new Nexus phones to come out and snagging one of those instead.

I would (am) wait(ing). I wouldn't even replace my N5, but it's showing problems with modem and gps. It's been suggested that our N5X is defective because of the jerky/lagging touch responsiveness. When it's placed next to the N5, the color calibration seems off. N5 has much whiter whites and just appears crisper than what I see on the 5X. The 5X belongs to hubby who doesn't care about the off-white tint, but he really dislikes the fact that touches have to be repeated even 3 times before they respond. I would try a custom kernel, but he doesn't want me messing with his phone. He doesn't use his phone for much. If the new phones don't meet my needs/wants, I'll get a 6P. It's a little big but haven't seen any other problems with the one we have.
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ritchea said:
I would (am) wait(ing). I wouldn't even replace my N5, but it's showing problems with modem and gps. It's been suggested that our N5X is defective because of the jerky/lagging touch responsiveness. When it's placed next to the N5, the color calibration seems off. N5 has much whiter whites and just appears crisper than what I see on the 5X. The 5X belongs to hubby who doesn't care about the off-white tint, but he really dislikes the fact that touches have to be repeated even 3 times before they respond. I would try a custom kernel, but he doesn't want me messing with his phone. He doesn't use his phone for much. If the new phones don't meet my needs/wants, I'll get a 6P. It's a little big but haven't seen any other problems with the one we have.
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What you call "whiter white" is blue white and actually shows a bad calibration, just saying. If you prefer such color pallete then better go for samsung. Also there is an option in dev settings to "fix" it, though i have it disabled. No difference (unless you compare) in the day, while the blue white hurts my eyes in the night
Back to topic, stock 5x is a bit laggy but EX kernel with ghostpepper fixed that for me.
Battery is ok, similar to my G2 and people did not whine about that phone so i dont know why everyone is pissed with 5x
If someone (creambyemute ) believes that the camera is bad, then should get a eye surgery appointment soon. Just kidding, but you should tap your screen to focus at that distance/objec. If the blur persists just focus on something else and then back at your target
5x has great well-light photos, good low light ones, though no stabilizer so videos are shaky
All that being said new nexus phones should not be too far, so you might as well wait for them

For all the people complaining about daily performance... Just flash PA rom. Done. Phone is smooth now.

atomic339 said:
Hi
I know that there is a lot of similar threads, but I read it and still don't know what should I do.
Is is worth to move? I believe that there is a lot of people which moved from N5 to N5X.
In daily using is there any difference in smooth and performance?
Big plus for mi is Android N
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With the new Nexus phones coming out soon, I wouldn't upgrade to the 5X if I were you. I got my 5X when it first came out and I had a Nexus 5 before.
There are some improvements but nothing major despite a 2-yr gap. Better camera, better battery, better screen, but laggy and slow sometimes. I was kind of disappointed when I first got my 5X.
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You've waited this long with the N5, what's another 2 months for the next Nexus phones? Unless you can get some amazing deal and don't mind having 1 year old hardware, I suggest waiting.
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EeZeEpEe said:
You've waited this long with the N5, what's another 2 months for the next Nexus phones? Unless you can get some amazing deal and don't mind having 1 year old hardware, I suggest waiting.
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agreed
i suggested waiting too as the new nexus build quality is definitly going to be better then the 5X build quality. HTC is gonna make it this time according to various sources.

Giorgos Chatziioannou said:
What you call "whiter white" is blue white and actually shows a bad calibration, just saying. If you prefer such color pallete then better go for samsung. Also there is an option in dev settings to "fix" it, though i have it disabled. No difference (unless you compare) in the day, while the blue white hurts my eyes in the night
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I know all the commentary about the color palette/calibration/preference/true colors arguments which makes it a little difficult to determine if, in fact, one actually has a defective screen (as I had on my first N7 FLO which looked worse than my then current N7). I prefer the color tones on my N5. However, I did change to cool temperature option on the 5x, and I think it's more to my preference. I do like the amoled display on the 6P and think the samoled's are all right. It was big change from Galaxy Nexus to N4. Ultimately, it's all about the point you bring up (blue white hurts my eyes in the night). No two people see anything exactly the same way so all we can do is get what works for us. Actually, I prefer the displays on the ios devices, that and battery life, but that's it.
The pictures were taken with the N9 which no one can argue has a great camera; however, it shows the differences. One can also see that the 5x presents sharper images on the screen. I will say that I thought the 5 showed clearer text than the pics show. I'm sure someone (anyone) could have taken betters shots. The left pic is warmer display; the right is cooler.

ritchea said:
I know all the commentary about the color palette/calibration/preference/true colors arguments which makes it a little difficult to determine if, in fact, one actually has a defective screen (as I had on my first N7 FLO which looked worse than my then current N7). I prefer the color tones on my N5. However, I did change to cool temperature option on the 5x, and I think it's more to my preference. I do like the amoled display on the 6P and think the samoled's are all right. It was big change from Galaxy Nexus to N4. Ultimately, it's all about the point you bring up (blue white hurts my eyes in the night). No two people see anything exactly the same way so all we can do is get what works for us. Actually, I prefer the displays on the ios devices, that and battery life, but that's it.
The pictures were taken with the N9 which no one can argue has a great camera; however, it shows the differences. One can also see that the 5x presents sharper images on the screen. I will say that I thought the 5 showed clearer text than the pics show. I'm sure someone (anyone) could have taken betters shots. The left pic is warmer display; the right is cooler.
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Thus why i said that sammy phones are probably more in your alley, they also have a neutral color option if you feel like it too.
My friends like samsung so i have seen few of their phones and amoled is not really my cup, stunning colors but you can take picture of a bulb light room and it will be chock full of orange while the same picture on other phones looks white/yellow.
I heard that the s7 has not such aggressive saturation, but until i can meet with my friend to check his s7 edge i cant say for sure. I will update when that happens if you want

creambyemute said:
You may call that jerky, we call it laggy, janky whatever. But you do agree it's not as fluid as the N5? Or could you even ever compare the N5 to the N5X? It is by no means fluid and for me not an acceptable performance. My N5 runs rounds around the N5X when it's not about gaming. And exactly that is my point. Why is the N5 in basic tasks (Menu, browsing, scrolling, animations) faster than the N5X? I didn't expect a downgrade in everyday task performance and it hit me hard in the disappointment section.
It's just an upgrade if you are constantly playing games (performance wise). In the most basic tasks the N5 crushes the N5X performance. But the thread starter can decide that himself if he buys the N5X and I would really like to hear his opinion then after comparing the two devices
Are you kidding? I agree the camera is better than the one found in N5 but my Mi4C took way better pictures than the N5X and several levels better when capturing some close distance shots (really close distance) and you know what? The Mi4C is cheaper.
I don't want to sound like the camera is bad in every aspect, but top notch is fanboy talk...
Actually whenever I wanted to take a close distance picture with an N5X I always ended up with the picture being blurred to the point I couldn't even recognize what should be on the picture :crying:.
Some people also say the Nexus 9 is a very good tablet whereas my mate and I who bought the devices together would call it the worst nexus product until now
Now let me mention some things I like about the N5X because I don't totally hate the device and I'm just so disappointed that the performance is worse than on the N5 in almost every situation.
- Screen: I already got several compliments that the screen is well calibrated and looks pretty good.
- USB C: It's positive as well as negative. I like the new connector, but all of my friends who don't have it hate it because they can't use my charger nor my cable
- Front facing speakers (just don't turn the volume up too much, otherwise the sound gets ****ty)
- Quick Charging: Absolutely love that! Helped me out in many situations where I just needed like 20-30% more charge to get through the day or the night.
- Screen gets activated when you lift the phone from the desk or out of your pocket, pretty convenient
- You'll maybe be able to access the notification tray and quick settings panel with the fingerprint scanner in Android N
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I've had zero performance issues with my 5x since I bought it 9 months ago. There hasn't been a single instance where I've found it to be slower than my N5, and multiple instances of it being faster such as connection speeds, gaming performance and loading the camera. Storage speeds are also much faster than the N5 even with encryption enabled on the 5x and disabled on the N5 (less secure).
The camera on the 6p and 5x (same camera) was well regarded as one of the best cell phone cameras until this years devices started rolling out. Details with HDR+ are insane, low light performance is out of this world, and the pictures come out fast and snappy with the camera loaded and capturing scenes within 2-3 seconds from being locked. Most importantly: everything you take a picture of looks like it does in real life with your eyes.
It can't be a fanboy comment when every review of the camera on the 5x and 6p agrees: it is absolutely top notch.
It sucks that you haven't experience the 5x to its fullest, I'm not sure if you have a defective 5x or possibly are causing the issues with your 3rd party software but your experience is not typical.
My friend has recently acquired a Nexus 5x about 2 weeks ago and so far has had the same experience myself. Snappy, smooth, and the best phone at this price range by a large margin.
atomic339 said:
So it is really worse performance N5X than N5 in daily using?
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Not in my experience and I've owned the 5x since launch day and a N5 since its launch day as well.

I made the swap a month ago when Carphone Warehouse in the UK were clearing stock for £130 and don't regret it at all. Feels exactly like you would expect a two year newer N5 to feel, nothing earth shattering, just slicker all round. Put the Nougat DP5 straight on it which obviously helps but only downside for me is no wireless charging as mine lived on a wireless deskstand all day at the office but the quick charging and better battery life make up for it... just have to remember to plug it in for a bit in the evening.
Wasn't keen on how light it is but I always use a case and once that was on all was good. Solid recommendation for the Supcase if you get one, cheap, top quality and once you slit the buttons all is good.
I wouldn't have been looking if it wasn't so cheap or the N5 battery was going but very glad I did and have a got a much more up to date phone for a lot less than half the price of one of the new Nexi when they come out. I stuck a new battery in the N5 and now my youngest is even happier than I am.

Regarding the N5X camera discussion here....
Macro pictures are not important to me. I don't need close-up pictures.
In normal use, the camera is spectacular. I recently went on a trip to Italy with a real camera and, honestly, I didn't even use it. The N5X camera has a wide scope, high quality, and great color reproduction. It's the same camera as that on the N6P, same exact camera; the only difference is not EIS but that can be fixed if rooted (it's disabled by default to make N6P more premium).
Check out the picture thread for examples of users' photos.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/excellent-camera-t3230797
Sure, it's no Samsung Galaxy 7, but few phones can compare to the 7's camera.
And who cares about macro?
One more thing about N5 camera vs N5X camera...
I had the N5 previously. If there was ONE thing I hated about the N5 is that pictures took 2-5 seconds to get taken after you press the button.
While on the 5X, it is practically instantaneous.
Last thing...
Come on, get the new Nexus which will launch in about 1-2 months.

This phone is great. I'm on N DP5 and 0 lag, great battery and performance.
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S7 Active vs S7 Exynos

Hi,
I am confused between S7 Active and S7 with Exynos processor. Would really like to know what you guys think. These are some points that have kept me in this limbo:
1. Scratches and Scuffs: Plan to use this phone for atleast 2 years but I am afraid S7A will look really bad if I drop it multiple times as the outer material on S7A can be scuffed. I would rather put a good protective case on the regular S7 and change the case if it becomes unusable.
2. Batteries: One of the main reasons why S7A is popular is because of its huge battery (4000mAh compared to the S7's 3000mAh). However, I read in multiple blogs that S7 Exynos battery life is significantly better than the S7 with Snapdragon. Since S7A is only with Snapdragon, would like to know how it compares to S7 with Exynos.
3. Cost: I am able to find a new S7 with exynos for $550 on Amazon where as S7A is $800.
I am sure this question is relevant for those who are looking to buy an S7A. TIA.

1: It's a rugged phone in most respects, the IP68 rating ensures the dust and water-resistance (not water-proof as so many people get wrong) will keep it working in some environments where other devices might just cough up a dustball literally and die when dunked. There are cases for the Active which make it even bulkier but some aren't so bad - SUPCASE once again makes their Unicorn Beetle case and they're very useful overall. I'd get one for my GS7A but I like the camo green look to it and they aren't making a yellow/black Beetle case so that's that.
As for scuffs and scratches, it's bound to happen if you actually make use of the device in various environments but that will happen to any device - think of the Active as an S7 with a few extra features and a built-in case, if you will.
2) The 4000 mAh battery in the Active consistently gives me 2+ days of battery life since I've had it and that's about 2 weeks now. I typically get at least 2 days and some hours before it gets to the 2-3% point and that's with screen brightness about 40-45% most of the time (if I'm outdoors I just set it for Auto brightness so I don't have to fiddle with it as I'm moving from place to place). Screen on time has been averaging about 6.5-8 hours depending on usage for me.
I only use cellular service when I'm out and about moving around but if I'm within range of actual Wi-Fi service that works I have Tasker set to disconnect and switch over - at home I don't use cellular at all. For the record I barely use my cellular service to be honest, I never give out my carrier number and I use Google Voice for all phone calls and SMS usage. Only 2 people know my carrier number, my Wife and a family member in case of emergencies and that's it (well my carrier knows it of course but they don't have any reasons to call me).
I have zero complaints about the battery life, so that's my position on it, and of course it's a Snapdragon 820 which is damned fast. I have an LG G Flex 2 (Wife uses it) and it's a Snapdragon 810 and the best Antutu score I've had on it running pretty cold to start was about 92K - I tested the Active the other day and got just shy of 142K which is damned impressive to me. So considering the Snapdragon 810 is an 8-core device (big.LITTLE) and the Snapdragon 820 is a 4-core device (still big.LITTLE) Qualcomm made some rather outstanding architecture changes to have such a remarkably higher score with half the number of cores is stunning.
My usage is not typical, mind you, with me not using cellular 24/7; I only use it when actually needed aka not connected to Wi-Fi someplace. Other people will have vastly different experiences and battery life so again, I don't consider my usage typical in any respects. I made a thread here talking about the battery life I've been achieving:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-active/how-to/battery-life-simply-amazing-t3469942
3) Yes the Exynos can be found for less and the GS7A is obviously carrier locked to AT&T as the only seller but it can be unlocked for GSM carriers worldwide after purchase (especially if you buy it outright you can get the unlock code the same day from AT&T). The Exynos models are also the only ones that have root right now iirc, I might be wrong on that but I think I'm correct. And there are some custom ROMs out as well but I might be wrong on that one too - I don't do much poking around in the Galaxy S7 forum here since I know the Active will more than likely never get root or custom ROMs, it's just not a popular device overall.
Having said that if I had to choose for myself I'd still get the Active but that's just me. I prefer it over typical "consumer" models meaning the pretty shiny glossy slick slippery S7 models including the Exynos-based ones. I don't care about 8 freakin' cores - on the G Flex 2 my Wife is using I have it rooted and use EX Kernel Manager to enforce a quad core setup (2 big cores, 2 LITTLE cores) and she gets damned impressive battery life - not nearly what I can get with the Active but even so, it lasts much longer than having all 8 cores enabled.
Yes there's a price premium on the Active but I personally think it's worth it. Be aware that the GS7A does have Gorilla Glass 4 but the actual part you touch to use it is a polycarbonate layer on top of the GG4 that protects it and helps increase the shatter-resistance. Because that top layer is not Gorilla Glass 4 itself it is more prone to scratching but Samsung does offer replacements if necessary. My advice: if you do get the GS7A, get a nice screen protector of some kind for it whether you get something made from a plastic composite or whatever or tempered glass and it'll protect the polycarbonate later.
Basic gist for me: I don't care about the looks of the device, really. The G Flex 2 has a damaged glass surface to it, actual pieces of glass are missing in the lower left hand corner but the digitizer still works 100% and my Wife has zero issues using it. It has a few cracks in it too but the damage is almost entirely contained in the lower left hand corner and not directly over the IPS LCD panel itself so, just a crack or two that stretches from one corner to the other but you really have to be looking for it to notice it.
The Active is a damned fine device but if the price is too much for what it offers, grab the Exynos and he happy I guess.

The S7 Active was built for basically rugged and outdoor use, its battery is greatly increased from 3000mAh to 4000mAh. Reports have indicated it can last you 2 days of moderate-heavy use easily.
Samsung also claims it can survive drops of up to 5 Feet without the glass shattering or anything. The sides and corners are also thicker to safeguard from drops as most accidental drops hit the sides or the corners of the phone.
The back has also been changed to somewhat of a textured plastic obviously to aid in the phone's strengthened outer covering.
Buttons have been replaced by capacitive buttons and the fingerprint sensor/home button is retained.
Overall if you really want a rugged phone without a case, something that you can take anywhere and you know it can withstand the elements the S7 Active is for you. But mind you it comes with ALOT of pre-installed bloatware.
An alternative/cheaper option would just be to just get the S7 Exynos, purchase something like an Otterbox Defender and one of those IP68 Rated Powerbanks and you'd essentially have the "feel" of a rugged device. This option is if you want more customization options, as the Exynos variant of the S7 is the only unlockable variant. ( Root and Custom Roms/Kernels etc. )
Either way, they're both great devices and it all boils down to what would you use it for. Good Luck

Just noted I crossed another day of use - I really do love this phone so far.
The only thing I can complain about (if even that) is the Camera seems to take a lot of energy which is somewhat interesting. I spent some time outside taking photos (with Auto brightness on) and it was damned sunny here in Las Vegas yesterday so I was expecting the display to use more power but that wasn't the case: in the first hour of using the GS7A for photo snapping I noted that the Camera accounted for roughly 45% of the battery used during that 1st hour - the screen came in at like 15% even with full brightness outside. Kinda weird and I wonder if that's something a software upgrade might help with but even so, this camera does seem to hit the battery pretty hard when it's in use. The area by the Power/Sleep button gets quite warm when the Camera is in operation as well.
But I still love the battery life, absolutely.

This phone becomes burning hot under stress!

I noticed this when playing certain heavily graphical games under max graphics settings. It's distractingly uncomfortable. I then ran benchmark tests. This is the hottest running phone I've ever used! Few users notice this issue cause few users use the phone for anything other than youtube, chrome, and casual games like skyforce and dead trigger.
I think I know why. The OnePlus company was very upset when people noticed their OnePlus 2 exhibited the biggest amount of thermal throttling among its peers, so with their new OnePlus 3 they simply disabled thermal throttling and let the phone sustain the same performance over time at the expense of massive heat output. The skin temperature on the metal surface of the phone, especially at the top where the chipset is located, gets just shy of 50 C which is what causes first degree burns. Sometimes it can reach that temp and surpass it.
I saw disassembly videos of this phone and there's no design and engineering thought put into thermal dissipation, they just slapped the motherboard at the top and the battery at the bottom. Contrast this with other phones like HTC where they give thermal dissipation careful consideration by putting the motherboard in the middle, then attatching a copper layer on top of it to radiate the heat outward to the edges. Even the ZTE Axon 7 has some kind of heat pipe going through it though I don't know how effective it is.
This kinda makes sense. I've been following OnePlus 3 devs on reddit and they never once gloated about their phone's sustained performance. This is because they know the only reason it didn't throttle was cause they just let it burn your hand.
I'm truly disappointed. The only phone to date that I've seen has excellent thermal dissipation and sustained performance was the HTC One M8. It was truly the best phone ever designed for gaming. Not to mention its immersive dual front facing stereo speakers. It seems we'll never have another phone like that again.

Pong Lenis said:
I noticed this when playing certain heavily graphical games under max graphics settings. It's distractingly uncomfortable. I then ran benchmark tests. This is the hottest running phone I've ever used! Few users notice this issue cause few users use the phone for anything other than youtube, chrome, and casual games like skyforce and dead trigger.
I think I know why. The OnePlus company was very upset when people noticed their OnePlus 2 exhibited the biggest amount of thermal throttling among its peers, so with their new OnePlus 3 they simply disabled thermal throttling and let the phone sustain the same performance over time at the expense of massive heat output. The skin temperature on the metal surface of the phone, especially at the top where the chipset is located, gets just shy of 50 C which is what causes first degree burns. Sometimes it can reach that temp and surpass it.
I saw disassembly videos of this phone and there's no design and engineering thought put into thermal dissipation, they just slapped the motherboard at the top and the battery at the bottom. Contrast this with other phones like HTC where they give thermal dissipation careful consideration by putting the motherboard in the middle, then attatching a copper layer on top of it to radiate the heat outward to the edges. Even the ZTE Axon 7 has some kind of heat pipe going through it though I don't know how effective it is.
This kinda makes sense. I've been following OnePlus 3 devs on reddit and they never once gloated about their phone's sustained performance. This is because they know the only reason it didn't throttle was cause they just let it burn your hand.
I'm truly disappointed. The only phone to date that I've seen has excellent thermal dissipation and sustained performance was the HTC One M8. It was truly the best phone ever designed for gaming. Not to mention its immersive dual front facing stereo speakers. It seems we'll never have another phone like that again.
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One, things depend on temperature of surrounding so if ambient temperature are low then no problems and second I know this they didn't disable thermal throttling they just raised the temperature at which it starts.
As a personal opinion my op3 never got hot(not above 40) even after extended periods of gaming (3-4 hours straight).I have other devices that can easily hit 70 but they don't fell hot due to plastic body and this phone has metal that's why it will be more hotter feeling.Have a good day or night
Sorry for my bad english

Dupleshwar said:
One, things depend on temperature of surrounding so if ambient temperature are low then no problems and second I know this they didn't disable thermal throttling they just raised the temperature at which it starts.
As a personal opinion my op3 never got hot(not above 40) even after extended periods of gaming (3-4 hours straight).I have other devices that can easily hit 70 but they don't fell hot due to plastic body and this phone has metal that's why it will be more hotter feeling.Have a good day or night
Sorry for my bad english
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So ambient temperature here is 17 C, very cold. I also viewed youtube comparison videos from user YourTechGuide who checks the temps during benchmarks, his results were always the same: OnePlus 3 was always around 10 C degrees hotter than any phone he was comparing it with.
Also one last thing, OnePlus 3 metal surface temps is the one that reaches 50C, its internal temp (the one read by CPU-z) can surpass 70C and 80C.

@Pong Lenis
Which firmware are you currently using?
Even while charging and playing games the phone only gets slightly warm. It performs much better than any other phone I had before.

Nothing to worry about, this phone is realitive cool, keep in mind our GPU could power a Xbox 360. Expect a little heat.

Pong Lenis said:
It's ok you're English being good
So ambient temperature here is 17 C, very cold. I also viewed youtube comparison videos from user YourTechGuide who checks the temps during benchmarks, his results were always the same: OnePlus 3 was always around 10 C degrees hotter than any phone he was comparing it with.
Also one last thing, OnePlus 3 metal surface temps is the one that reaches 50C, its internal temp (the one read by CPU-z) can surpass 70C and 80C.
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Strange never heating issues here but one thing who will anyone run back to back benchmarks what I am saying the test is not very realistic we don't push our devices that much for that much peroids(I also saw the video of back to back an tutu benchmarks on op3) the test is very unrealistic I think.
One more thing I could be wrong also and if someone can correct me with a reason they are welcome:laugh: