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Camera Shootout vs Iphone 4s

Not off to a good start for the one x. Kind of disappointing from my eyes, except for the HDR photo.
http://asia.cnet.com/camera-shootout-htc-one-x-versus-iphone-4s-62214101.htm#0

motionUS said:
Not off to a good start for the one x. Kind of disappointing from my eyes, except for the HDR photo.
http://asia.cnet.com/camera-shootout-htc-one-x-versus-iphone-4s-62214101.htm#0
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This has already been posted & you seriously cannot trust cnet - they are widely known to be pro-apple!
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I agree, you can't trust CNET

already posted in two threads but what the hell
hamdir said:
sharpness along with edge noise can be turned off by sharpness -2
camera samples looks bigger on the iPhone this is because the stupid tester didn't turn off widescreen aspect in the settings menu and hence the One X image turned out less than full 8MPixels
seems a more detailed is resolved in darkness and black thanks to f2.0, it takes a second to burn/contrast these images from the HTC gallery effects menu!
the backlight photo of the girl is excellent
the One X is resolving more details @ full scale crops too
I am actually surprised how close they look! is this the same sensor source? sony?
i see the One X a clear winner, thanks to more detail in darkness, shutter speed and backlight HDR, image contrast is for you to adjust from the camera app or the gallery!
The article concludes
"Overall, whether the One X or the iPhone 4S has a better camera boils down to individual preferences. The One X delivers sharper images at the expense of some noise, while the iPhone 4S delivers better colors and noise control.
Personally, the fast shutter speed and sharper images of the One X feel like the better option."
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hamdir said:
already posted in two threads but what the hell
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but color should be a priority too right? im pretty sadden that the shots by the one x look really washed out when compared to the iphone shots side by side.. especially in this shot..
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fi3ry_icy said:
but color should be a priority too right? im pretty sadden that the shots by the one x look really washed out when compared to the iphone shots side by side.. especially in this shot..
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banging my head to the table
iPhone has no settings while HTC gives you the choice...this is the settings menu from a much older device, new one has exposure added plus the gallery allows you to adjust contrast including an auto mode
i guess we should all nag so that in their next phone they remove this functionality and lock down the camera app into three buttons like the iphone: video, still, HDR
in fact why don't we just all go and buy iPhones!
look at the sackboy head and the white/black photo in the background and the painting and the left side of the image, how much detail is resolved in dark areas! thats what f2.0 is all about, more dynamic range!
guys mark my words, this is the same Sony Exmor sensor on the iPhone 4s, f2.0 variant + HTC Imagechip, the images are absurdly close

hamdir said:
banging my head to the table
iPhone has no settings while HTC gives you the choice...this is the settings menu from a much older device, new one has exposure added plus the gallery allows you to adjust contrast including an auto mode
i guess we should all nag so that in their next phone they remove this functionality and lock down the camera app into three buttons like the iphone: video, still, HDR
in fact why don't we just all go and buy iPhones!
look at the sackboy head and the white/black photo in the background and the painting and the left side of the image, how much detail is resolved in dark areas! thats what f2.0 is all about, more dynamic range!
guys mark my words, this is the same Sony Exmor on the iPhone 4s, f2.0 variant + HTC Imagechip, the images are absurdly close
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I totally agree with this!
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Videos not recorded in full sensor's frame?

Hi , i just checked out the One X today and i found out that when we go to video recording mode, the frame of the video is cropped to a very narrow angle, it's not as wide as when u're taking photos.
Is there anyway to disable this or increase the view angle when recoring video?
This thing happened with older phones like the DHD or Iphone4. While the Sensation/XE/XL recorded videos are as wide as taking images. And the One X is like top of the line phone, this is kind of disappointing.
Sorry for my bad eanglish

The One X's 8 MP pictures are 3264x1840 (4:3) whilst video is 1080p thus 1920x1080 (16:9)
Out the top of my head, there's no way of changing that.

No i'm not talking about "resolution". This has nothing to do with resolution, i think it happened because of the "capture while recording" feature. For example the videos recorded from the Sensation XE is exactly like the photo captured from that phone (with 16:9 crop)
While the One X's photos captured are like from a 16mm angle lens. The videos recorded is cropped to something like 50mm. That's what i mean
If u have any of the XE/XL or just the normal Sensation, try it yourself and u'll see. They have no difference switching between photo/video mode.
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A frame of video recorded from the XL(16:9 - 720p):
And this is what i mean by cropped frame when recording videos(for demonstration purpose only, notice the much narrower field of view):
I am gonna be very disappointed if my One X comes next week with no option to capture the video with the full sensor.

Just tried it and I think I now know what you mean...
Look at the left side of the tape measure... it's definitely noticeable :s
This is a screenshot (Powerbutton + Homescreen button)
This is an actual picture taken
Picture taken during the video
Screenshot from the video

thanks for the quick test, the cropping is not as bad as i imagined but still , i hope they give us option to capture it at full size

"One nice feature of the One series is that, thanks to the ImageSense chip, the camera can take full 8MP stills while recording video with no detriment to the video itself."
http://android.modaco.com/topic/352944-htc-one-x-review/

Mine was the same, the video size seemed cropped compared to the photos so I just went into settings and found that the video resolution was set to 1280 x 720 and I've now changed it to 1920 x 1080.

mrhahn98 said:
Hi , i just checked out the One X today and i found out that when we go to video recording mode, the frame of the video is cropped to a very narrow angle, it's not as wide as when u're taking photos.
Is there anyway to disable this or increase the view angle when recoring video?
This thing happened with older phones like the DHD or Iphone4. While the Sensation/XE/XL recorded videos are as wide as taking images. And the One X is like top of the line phone, this is kind of disappointing.
Sorry for my bad eanglish
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Edit (12th June): I've just taken my first videos with the HTC One X and noticed that most of the video crop is being caused by the reservation of pixels for image stabilisation. Disabling stabilisation will give you a much larger field of view.
Cheers,
Bugsy

mrhahn98 said:
This thing happened with older phones like the DHD or Iphone4. While the Sensation/XE/XL recorded videos are as wide as taking images.
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Just to avoid any confusion - the HTC Sensation doesn't capture video at the same width as still photos. It also has the same limitation with 1080p video.
Regards,
Bugsy

Hi. that's weird coz if i remember correctly , it recorded video look exactly like the photos, along with the XL. One of the reason i'm so proud of those 2

Can someone please confirm is the zooming available while recording in FULL HD (1980X1080P) mode?

woahhh
I really hope HTC release an update to improve video quality (after bug fixes, their more important), I mean seriously 23fps on average??? its a quad core, it should hand over 30 easy! What you reckon the chances of HTC improving it are people????

technostein said:
I really hope HTC release an update to improve video quality (after bug fixes, their more important), I mean seriously 23fps on average??? its a quad core, it should hand over 30 easy! What you reckon the chances of HTC improving it are people????
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Oh yes, I was hoping quad core devices would be able to record 1080p at 60fps cuz dual core ones can do it at 30fps

I think alot of these "downgrades" are because of the "shoot while recording" feature. If they have an option for us to turn it off and take advantages of the full sensor and better fps with great bit rate that would be awesome

I heard camera ICS) (or ICS camera+ idk the name of the app) was able to fix the bit rate problem and improved the quality a lot! The only thing that bugs me is that whenever white balance is set to "auto" the colors keep getting purpleish/pinkish...
in this video you can see the better bit rate and the purpleish thing I told you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km_UMzl8iPA

I'm 99% sure it's doing what the Galaxy S II does, because the 1080p image doesn't scale evenly to the 8mp full size without leftover pixels and trying to use the full-frame is too processor intensive *cough*. It is also super shaky in all the videos, which is a symptom of having a really small capture area and not utilizing the full frame. The S II uses the full width when recording at 720p and does pixel binning at that resolution, helping it reduce noise. I'd imagine the One X does something similar in 720p, so if you want the full frame, you have to pick a lower resolution like 720p.
Ack. I've seen almost a 100 One X videos already and the video capture is still awful.

SenseBugs said:
Just to avoid any confusion - the HTC Sensation doesn't capture video at the same width as still photos. It also has the same limitation with 1080p video.
Regards,
Bugsy
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mrhahn98 said:
Hi. that's weird coz if i remember correctly , it recorded video look exactly like the photos, along with the XL. One of the reason i'm so proud of those 2
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I'm afraid not. The Sensation also saves native 1920x1080 footage from a portion of the sensor. It's not a huge deal, but its visible.
Bugsy

[Q] Is it possible to have the Xperia S zoom lossless while recording like Nokia N8?

There's really only one thing that bugs me coming from the Nokia N8, and that's being unable to use the phone's full sensor to record video. The Nokia N8 could zoom 3x using its 12 MP camera sensor.
Is it perhaps hardware related? Or could something similar be done to the Xperia S' camera?
If there's something I really hate, it would be the digital zoom that simply crops the image. Why not use the entire sensor? The Xperia S should have at least enough power to do so.

I think we can zoom up to x16 (smart zoom) using volume buttons or pinch screen!
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monivan said:
I think we can zoom up to x16 (smart zoom) using volume buttons or pinch screen!
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I don't know what kind of smart zoom that would be, as far as I know and tried, it's just regular digital zoom, meaning the image is just being cropped instead of using the full sensor to get more details.

Oh i get it! U means OPTICAL zoom! Digital zoom is cropping the image like what u said! But OPTICAL zoom is a hardware capability issue! It's lens need to be moving forward or backward in order not to distort the quality of image! However Xperia s doesn't support Optical zoom, so the only way to zoom is to digital zoom!
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monivan said:
Oh i get it! U means OPTICAL zoom! Digital zoom is cropping the image like what u said! But OPTICAL zoom is a hardware capability issue! It's lens need to be moving forward or backward in order not to distort the quality of image! However Xperia s doesn't support Optical zoom, so the only way to zoom is to digital zoom!
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No, no , you're completely wrong. I don't mean optical zoom, nor do I mean ordinary digital zoom.
It's still called digital zoom though, as the camera only uses its sensor. Let me try to explain:
The 12MP camera has a resolution of 3000x4000. 720p video is 1280x720, meaning this video won't use all of the sensor's data, just a part of it. The idea is that when you zoom in, you begin to use more of a cropped image of the full resolution, but still 720p.
Try searching for how the Nokia 808 PureView can zoom, it uses its massive 41MP camera to do so without any moving parts.
I was wondering if the Xperia S could possibly do the same.

Anyone??
A simple "No" with argument/reason would suffice too...

As you said, PureView has a massive 41 Mp camera. You said that videos only make use of 1280x720 or 1920x1080 of the possible 3000x4000 that XS camera with photos makes. I'm not sure, but I think the phone doesn't have enough power to make videos at a such high resolution. Heck, most TVs today only can show at 1920x1080.
PureView can capture 1080p videos even with a single core because it has a secondary processor only for the camera...
All i said can be false, as I don't know much. If it's wrong, someone please correct me.

Felimenta97 said:
As you said, PureView has a massive 41 Mp camera. You said that videos only make use of 1280x720 or 1920x1080 of the possible 3000x4000 that XS camera with photos makes. I'm not sure, but I think the phone doesn't have enough power to make videos at a such high resolution. Heck, most TVs today only can show at 1920x1080.
PureView can capture 1080p videos even with a single core because it has a secondary processor only for the camera...
All i said can be false, as I don't know much. If it's wrong, someone please correct me.
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It's not like it's going to record at 4000x3000, but rather 720p that uses the full sensor just for zooming. Look at the Nokia N8, it only had a 680Mhz processor with no additional camera chip. The Nokia N8 also had 'only' 12 Megapixels, yet it could do "lossless digital zoom".
I'm very curious to see if anything like this is possible by modding - you know, doing stuff XDA is all about

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Yes I understand what you mean but unfortunately that is not possibly with the Xperia S simply because Sony did not include this feature. I don't think anybody can mod the camera for "smart zoom" except Sony developers.

SEFanX10i said:
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Yes I understand what you mean but unfortunately that is not possibly with the Xperia S simply because Sony did not include this feature. I don't think anybody can mod the camera for "smart zoom" except Sony developers.
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For some reason I thought some XDA developers were better than Sony developers, maybe just because they can mod a lot that Sony can't - or at least don't.

Even flagship phones like sgs3 or one x can't have smart zoom. It's a shame. There is no solution at the moment.
Maybe an experienced c++ developer will make an app with such a feature.

I have n8 and e7. Both exhibit lens movement slightly (forward / backward) while zooming in and out. But this slight movement makes lot of different.

komanguy said:
Even flagship phones like sgs3 or one x can't have smart zoom. It's a shame. There is no solution at the moment.
Maybe an experienced c++ developer will make an app with such a feature.
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I have yet to find a camera app that has a better and more functional interface than the stock Xperia S' one. Let alone being more functional. Such a shame

The camera needs to have a lens that allows optical zoom for this.

K900 said:
The camera needs to have a lens that allows optical zoom for this.
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No it doesn't. Just take a look at the Nokia N8, E7, C7 etcetera. Even the Nokia 808 can do this. It's called digital lossless zoom. Get it? Digital, so no optical parts moving or anything.

Hermantje said:
No it doesn't. Just take a look at the Nokia N8, E7, C7 etcetera. Even the Nokia 808 can do this. It's called digital lossless zoom. Get it? Digital, so no optical parts moving or anything.
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The 808 has a huge 41 MP camera, and the zoom can be done up to 3 time without huge loss ((I think it will have 13 MP camera when max zoomed)
"What really matters in this world, anyway?"

Felimenta97 said:
The 808 has a huge 41 MP camera, and the zoom can be done up to 3 time without huge loss ((I think it will have 13 MP camera when max zoomed)
"What really matters in this world, anyway?"
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That's in 1080p mode.
In 720p mode the N8 also with a 12 megapixel camera can do 3x lossless zoom, so in theory the Xperia S should be able too.

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Felimenta97 said:
The 808 has a huge 41 MP camera, and the zoom can be done up to 3 time without huge loss ((I think it will have 13 MP camera when max zoomed)
"What really matters in this world, anyway?"
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Xperia S have a 12MP sensor
and full hd is "only" 2MP
so, what's the problem?

mirhl said:
Xperia S have a 12MP sensor
and full hd is "only" 2MP
so, what's the problem?
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Make a 2MP 3 times smaller. Also, read what K900 said.

[PHOTOS] Oppo Find 7/7a user and review shots

So talk Oppo Find 7 video & photography!
Image sensor: Sony BSI Exmor IMX214 CMOS, 1/3.06" sensor size
Maximum sensor resolution: 4160x3120, 13 megapixels
Maximum picture resolution in HD Mode: 8160x6120, 50MP (HD Mode stitches together 10 normal shots)
Lens: F2.0, 6-element auto-focus system
Front facing camera: 5 megapixel
Maximum video resolution: 3840x2160 = 4k at 30FPS, 1920x1080 at 60FPS, 1280x720p at 120FPS
HDR, panorama, smile detection, macro, night mode, tap to focus
Phandroid review shows off top notch photo quality, 50 megapixel HD images
Source, full size images: http://phandroid.com/2014/04/21/oppo-find-7a-review/
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See more Phandroid images and read the full review here:
http://phandroid.com/2014/04/21/oppo-find-7a-review/

Phandroid also posted a couple of video samples
4K in the park, thx Baljeet Rana
Danny Winger made a 7a walkthrough and posted a 4k video

Analyzing the shots posted so far, the Oppo Find 7a's IMX214 sensor captures impressive amount of details, high per pixel sharpness with nice all around clarity thx to the consistently sharp lens and low amount of post-processing. HDR is working well too, no inconsistencies. I guess saturation could be a slightly bit higher. Video clarity is quite nice too, 4k offers all the details we can ask for.
PhoneArena review shots
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Strong light, Medium Light, Low Light, Darkness with Flash

GSM Arena review is in - fine image quality!
You can read GSMA's review here with full size images & EXIF: http://www.gsmarena.com/oppo_find_7a-review-1073p8.php
The camera produces sharp, highly detailed, images with good dynamic range and fine color reproduction, at a few shots sky blue is maybe a tad on the purple side, nothing too much.
HDR is quite aggressive, bringing a lot of clipped dark and bright details alive. It appears there's a little saturation boost too
The phone can capture up to 32 second frames meaning you can do highly detailed low ISO shots as well as artistic DSLR-like ones during the night, this one's my favorite so far:

Loving the rear camera. Only complaint is the subpar slow motion '720p' video. Really looks like maybe 480p upscaled, not impressive.
Taking some great shots, quick focus and shutter. Great night auto night shots compared to my S4 and panorama stitches nicely for me in the one or two I've tried.
Front camera leaves something to be desired for me though. I understand there's the beautify filter that's enabled by default, but I notice a pretty bad foggy haze from there as well. Might just be the indoor lighting conditions I've tried with, but not impressed yet.

Here is a quick macro shot as I walked by.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5y22ebyfo8up2mq/IMG20140505123000.jpg

GibMcFragger said:
Here is a quick macro shot as I walked by.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5y22ebyfo8up2mq/IMG20140505123000.jpg
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Very impressive shot and camera details! :good:

GibMcFragger said:
Here is a quick macro shot as I walked by.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5y22ebyfo8up2mq/IMG20140505123000.jpg
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Very amazing shot!! :good::laugh:

This camera is pretty killer
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I love this phone but my wife love it, too. finally.......TT
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BoneXDA said:
The phone can capture up to 32 second frames meaning you can do highly detailed low ISO shots as well as artistic DSLR-like ones during the night, this one's my favorite so far:
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This is a 4s shutter.
Anyone got any 32s ones ?

here are some nice shots I did until now
(makro & slowshutter)
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robin216 said:
here are some nice shots I did until now
(makro & slowshutter)
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Wow, the macro shots are really impressive... Cool - Can't wait for my Oppo Find 7 (DHL - it should be here before weekend)
The "slowshutter" shot, did you just kept the phone in the hand? I am to shaky for things like this...
lienot

Lienot said:
Wow, the macro shots are really impressive... Cool - Can't wait for my Oppo Find 7 (DHL - it should be here before weekend)
The "slowshutter" shot, did you just kept the phone in the hand? I am to shaky for things like this...
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thank you! it's not possible to make sharp slow shutter photos while holding the phone in your hands.. i bought a small tripod for it here some more i did all taken by night and totally darkness!
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robin216 said:
thank you! it's not possible to make sharp slow shutter photos while holding the phone in your hands.. i bought a small tripod for it here some more i did all taken by night and totally darkness!
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Wow! Real nice photos. Can't wait to play around with this thing. I hope they ship it fast!
lienot

Columbus Circle - NYC using Slow Shutter

[Q] How do you like the camera so far? What do you want to see changed?

Short and sweet, description explains it all. Tell em what youd like to see changed on the camera such as quality, sound quality, length of recording or are u happy with it.

NOTHING! The camera is amazing!

Rich Shwe said:
NOTHING! The camera is amazing!
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then your gonna love what i have in store in the next hour.. lol

13 minutes left. Let's have it!
The camera truly is a huge improvement over the Note 3 (and possibly better than the Note 2 if its even equal it is better since it has more pixels)
Just took some night shots tonight. WOW what an improvement.
Here is the Note 3 No Flash a "relatively bright" nighttime scene
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Here is the Note 3 with Flash
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and Here is the Note 4 NO flash. it came out so nice I did not even bother with a "flash" shot.
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and there is a hell of a lot more to it than just light gathering too. Download the full size and look at the actual achieved resolution and quality and sharpness.
Stock. no modifications raw images from both units direct to imgur.
HUGE improvement. Finally
you want to REALLY see a difference? ZOOM in on the license plate frame on the pickup truck on the left edge of the images.
Remarkable improvement.
The flash note 3 image is "readable" but still far far from as good as the Note 4.
and the Note 4 is not nearly so aggressive with the "sharpening" as the Note 3 is (it does not need to be)
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BTW. what do I want to see improved? IE what sucks about the camera? what I want changed?
the god damned burst mode is still "crippled" in the Note 4.
it needs its OWN MODE OPTION so there is NO delay. TOUCH the button and BAM instantly starts the rapid fire burst. (30frames now too)
they still have it "combined" with standard pic taking so you have to hold the button for a second before it decides OK you want burst and starts bursting. I can't capture rockets with that 1sec delay. The danged things are 1000 feet up in 1 second.
The only other thing (minor) that I don't like is that the highest resolution is 16mp 16:9
to get 4:3 I have to downgrade to 12mp. so the sensor itself is "shorter" vertically (notice how much more of the building roofs the N3 gets)
Would have been nice to have 18 or 20mp 4:3 and 16mp 16:9

Yes every photo I've taken is rich in detail i took a pic of my hand and could see every tiny hair on it. This phone is truly a beast

Yeah, don't quite understand myself why it's not available to choose a larger 4:3 aspect ratio, I'd like to see that if the sensor allows it. Though I feel like it should

My guess is that the sensor itself is native 16:9
the Note 3 sensor was native 4:3 the 16:9 was "cropped" which is why it was a lower resolution. (which is why you should NEVER use it since you can crop it yourself later if you wish)
The note 4 sensor appears to be native 16:9

Rich Shwe said:
NOTHING! The camera is amazing!
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nerys71 said:
13 minutes left. Let's have it!
The camera truly is a huge improvement over the Note 3 (and possibly better than the Note 2 if its even equal it is better since it has more pixels)
Just took some night shots tonight. WOW what an improvement.
Here is the Note 3 No Flash a "relatively bright" nighttime scene
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Here is the Note 3 with Flash
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http://i.imgur.com/hTMkos3.jpg
and Here is the Note 4 NO flash. it came out so nice I did not even bother with a "flash" shot.
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http://i.imgur.com/gGMiN75.jpg
and there is a hell of a lot more to it than just light gathering too. Download the full size and look at the actual achieved resolution and quality and sharpness.
Stock. no modifications raw images from both units direct to imgur.
HUGE improvement. Finally
you want to REALLY see a difference? ZOOM in on the license plate frame on the pickup truck on the left edge of the images.
Remarkable improvement.
The flash note 3 image is "readable" but still far far from as good as the Note 4.
and the Note 4 is not nearly so aggressive with the "sharpening" as the Note 3 is (it does not need to be)
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BTW. what do I want to see improved? IE what sucks about the camera? what I want changed?
the god damned burst mode is still "crippled" in the Note 4.
it needs its OWN MODE OPTION so there is NO delay. TOUCH the button and BAM instantly starts the rapid fire burst. (30frames now too)
they still have it "combined" with standard pic taking so you have to hold the button for a second before it decides OK you want burst and starts bursting. I can't capture rockets with that 1sec delay. The danged things are 1000 feet up in 1 second.
The only other thing (minor) that I don't like is that the highest resolution is 16mp 16:9
to get 4:3 I have to downgrade to 12mp. so the sensor itself is "shorter" vertically (notice how much more of the building roofs the N3 gets)
Would have been nice to have 18 or 20mp 4:3 and 16mp 16:9
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Rich Shwe said:
Yes every photo I've taken is rich in detail i took a pic of my hand and could see every tiny hair on it. This phone is truly a beast
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Try this out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-sprint/themes-apps/mod-camera-quality-mod-t2917501

Joey121215 said:
Yeah, don't quite understand myself why it's not available to choose a larger 4:3 aspect ratio, I'd like to see that if the sensor allows it. Though I feel like it should
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I try to check it out

kevinrocksman said:
I try to check it out
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Thanks man, always loved your stuff. Even back in the EVO days

not very good images for a comparison shot but one is 96% and the other is 100%. Difference is 15KB (granted not much color in the shot)
(My mod)