Yesterday, I installed firmware V20h at my H815. It seems, that LG added some mechanism that makes it impossible to uninstall bloatware and crapware apps permanently despite of correctly installed root rights.
I uninstalled some Google apps like Music, Books... etc. successfully via Titanium Backup, but after having rebooted, they were back again.
Can anybody confirm this? Maybe, there is a solution I have not known about yet... ?
Maheshwara said:
Yesterday, I installed firmware V20h at my H815. It seems, that LG added some mechanism that makes it impossible to uninstall bloatware and crapware apps permanently despite of correctly installed root rights.
I uninstalled some Google apps like Music, Books... etc. successfully via Titanium Backup, but after having rebooted, they were back again.
Can anybody confirm this? Maybe, there is a solution I have not known about yet... ?
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did those apps got updated? maybe you just deleted them from data/apps and not from system folder.
slds,
No, Mate, unfortunately not... I am sure, because after having failed uninstalling I deactivated them. When doing that, anyway, all updates are uninstalled. Afterwards, I retried uninstalling, but after rebooting, they have still appeared as deactivated in App menu... It really seems impossible to permanently delete any preinstalled crap with this new firmware...
Have you ever heard about "DT Ignite"? This is a tool for the carriers / manufacturers to generate revenue of unwanted stuff after deinstallation. I suppose, LG inserted a similar mechanism in this new ROM version or maybe - all the system partition is mounted read-only without Root-Apps like Titanium Backup noticing this.
At first, I supposed /cust folder contents could be the culprit. There is really a folder /cust/H3G_COM/overlay/app containing many .apk files, but the Google apps are not among them. So these contents can not be the culprit or at least not only. Later on, I will make another backup and then delete all the /cust folder contents. Let's see what will happen then.
I finally managed to uninstall all the crapware I wanted to get rid of. With Titanium Backup Pro, it did not work - after reboot, all the crap was back. Then I tried with ES FileExplorer Pro. I gave Root-Explorer r/w rights for all the root file system and then used its System App Uninstall functionality. After another reboot, all the crap has definitely gone!
But I still do not understand at all, why it is such a rocket science to debloat this ROM version! I have NEVER had such problems with things like that! And I have already rooted and debloated many different ROMs for many different devices!
Why do you even bother removing them? They are installed in the system partition so you won't gain any space by removing them. Disabling them is just about the same as removing, they will be virtually ignored by your device (it's the same thing as freezing apps in titanium backup). I see no point in removing those apps manually.
Also, if you are calling this bloat you obviously never used a Samsung device. Plus, I believe that LG is obliged by Google to put those apps in the phone (remember Nokia didn't get Android back them because they wanted to have their maps platform instead of Google maps?).
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Delete the folders using Root Backup instead. I've always found Titanium Backup really temperamental with removing apps on the System partition specifically on Marshmallow. Same thing as you, said it uninstalled them but they were still there after a reboot. A swift delete using root browser got rid of them.
These days I don't even bother and just use the debloater tool (3.90).
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I rooted because I was fed up with the preinstalled Orange bloatware apps as I need the space! I used unrevoked and I have full root access i.e. I have the superuser app and I have been able to access the system partition and even managed to delete apk files from the system apps directory.
However, despite trying all the suggestions i found on these forums and elsewhere; Root Explorer, System App Remover and Titanium backup, no matter how many times I remove the apps in question, within a short time, the phone reboots and the apps are back again!
Please note that I am only trying to remove the stupid games etc which Orange stuff the ROM with not anything significant.
I really dont fancy flashing a new ROM as I cant be bothered setting up my phone again from scratch, so any advice somebody can give would be REALLY apreciated!!
You need to S-Off your phone, not just root if you want to remove your applications, while the phone is booted.
Search a guide here in the Android Developement section.
Alternatively use ADB to remove the files - your phone must be in recovery mode.
Thanks so much!!
Or better yet, just install one of the custom roms with a2sd. If you don't want a modified one, just use rooted froyo with a2sd, this is a good one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=789058
david_inuk said:
I rooted because I was fed up with the preinstalled Orange bloatware apps as I need the space! I used unrevoked and I have full root access i.e. I have the superuser app and I have been able to access the system partition and even managed to delete apk files from the system apps directory.
However, despite trying all the suggestions i found on these forums and elsewhere; Root Explorer, System App Remover and Titanium backup, no matter how many times I remove the apps in question, within a short time, the phone reboots and the apps are back again!
Please note that I am only trying to remove the stupid games etc which Orange stuff the ROM with not anything significant.
I really dont fancy flashing a new ROM as I cant be bothered setting up my phone again from scratch, so any advice somebody can give would be REALLY apreciated!!
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If you are S-ON you can delete them with ADB when you are in recovery mode.
You can also delete them through root explorer from the market. It's not free but it takes two minutes to use and you can see what your deleting if you are unsure
I have the same issue here.
Will try the ADB method when get a chance, but Root Explorer won't delete them - you can delete unwanted games etc, but they are still on the apps list the the files will come back after the reboot - tried this already.
kjur said:
I have the same issue here.
Will try the ADB method when get a chance, but Root Explorer won't delete them - you can delete unwanted games etc, but they are still on the apps list the the files will come back after the reboot - tried this already.
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really, what rom? i didnt have any issues with the setup mentioned in my sig
vis-tec said:
really, what rom? i didnt have any issues with the setup mentioned in my sig
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You are S-OFF, so no wonders why you don't have any problems
titanium backup
why not just use titanium backup. its free and a very easy way to uninstall apps.
Again, you need to be s-off to uninstall system apk, which unfortunately all the bloatware is.
Clarification, you need to be s-off to use titanium or root explorer to remove system apk.
veitograf said:
why not just use titanium backup. its free and a very easy way to uninstall apps.
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@vis-tec: It's Orange UK, rooted, but S-ON. ADB method works perfect tough. Tested last night. Also integrated some system apps updates in the ROM via ADB.
titanium backup hasn't work for me either.
only ADB
remember that deleting bloatware does not give you any extra amount of space.
these apps are in \system which is not where apps you download install.
only way of extending you app-space is A2SD+ or DATA2XXX but they tend to slow down the phone
best solution >> S-OFF and ROM designed to run on a custom HBOOT.
u get lots of space, and a super fast rom since dalvik cache stays on NAND
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remember that deleting bloatware does not give you any extra amount of space.
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it does.
i've had google maps, youtube updates etc in the /data/app and after deleting bloatware and the old versions of gmaps etc. there was enough space in /system/app to move the updates there.
so now on the /data/app is 8-10MB more for my other apps.
also if i'm right the /system partition is used as cache for apps, so there is more space for this.
and it looks way better when you open 'all apps' drawer - the list is much shorter now and there is only the stuff you need
Hi,
I have used WinDroid Toolkit to unlock, flash TWRP and root the HTC Desire 820u which worked fine. I then installed System App Remover (ROOT) which I have used on all my past phones.
I have removed all Chinese apps including AppMarket & Hidi, but when I restart the phone the apps are all back. I've also tried to remove HTC Blinkfeed as I use Nova so have no use for it and then same thing happens. It appears to be removed, but on restarting the phone, it's back?
Is there anyway I can remove these without them coming back?
gareth824 said:
....installed System App Remover (ROOT) which I have used on all my past phones. .....removed all Chinese apps ..... appears to be removed, but on restarting the phone, it's back?
....anyway I can remove these without them coming back?
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how about trying this?: use a root file manager to rename all the unnecessary files (apk & odex) in /system/app and /system/priv-app. and, if the phone reboots and works fine, delete the renamed files altogether.
that's what i've done on my past phones (once i got root access and custom recovery) - with a full nandroid backup and backups of all data and apps+data at hand, of course.
fyi, i used online nandroid backup script, mybackup pro app and es file explorer app for these tasks.
Hello.... I'm using HTC desire 820 device which is unlocked and rooted too. I want to remove preinstalled apps from my device for free up some memories. When I try to uninstall the unwanted apps with the help of ES FILE EXPLORER or TITANIUM BACKUP, I'm getting​ that uninstalled successful. But, they are there again after rebooting the device......
Please suggest me to do uninstall permanently......
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Found a question that's interesting for me as well, but no answer...
Is there any way to remove those apps being stock without root? (If not, how to remove them with root?)
Also unneeded apps:
*Google
[Slides]
[Sheets]
[Docs]
[Exchange Services]
[Play Movies]
[Play Music]
[Hangouts]
[Keep]
*Social
[Facebook]
[Messenger]
[Instagram]
[News Republic]
*HTC
[Connect]
[Help]
[...]
P.S. I can understand the preinstallation of GApps, but why the heck would i like to have Facebook, Messenger and Instagram preinstalled on my system, that cannot even be uninstalled?
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you have to have root. to remove them you install a file explorer with root access, like Root Explorer is my favorite.
You browse to the system folder of the phone and youll see an apps folder and a priv-app folder. the stuff your looking for will be in there and you delete the entire folder of the apps you don't want. reboot when finished and they should be uninstalled.
it will be best to start with backing up your untouched system incase removing some app gives you problems, which it can when messing with system apps.
there is also play store apps the will uninstall for you, other apps can also "freeze" bloat without actually removing so you can see side effects of removing them
You can remove them all easily without root but you'll need a custom recovery like TWRP.
I do this before first boot to clean up apps and add HTC file explorer etc.
You can flash TWRP, remove apps then restore the factory recovery.
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I just disabled them on mine, not like you would free up considerable space and if they are disabled, you don't get the updates eating in to your storage as the original just sits in the system partition.
afuller42 said:
you have to have root. to remove them you install a file explorer with root access, like Root Explorer is my favorite.
You browse to the system folder of the phone and youll see an apps folder and a priv-app folder. the stuff your looking for will be in there and you delete the entire folder of the apps you don't want. reboot when finished and they should be uninstalled.
it will be best to start with backing up your untouched system incase removing some app gives you problems, which it can when messing with system apps.
there is also play store apps the will uninstall for you, other apps can also "freeze" bloat without actually removing so you can see side effects of removing them
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Any way to remove Facebook completely without any problems after? Was thinking to maybe just buy the Chinese Version from China since China does not allow Facebook in the first place.
Question as per title. All my photos, music, videos are cloud based anyway. The only thing I'm concerned about is apps. What's the quickest way to reinstall my apps? Last time I chose to restore from a Google account, it started to install ALL my apps, even ones that weren't installed when I performed the reset (meaning ones I had downloaded but since uninstalled, going back years)
Swift backup
bugac said:
Swift backup
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Is that similar to Titanium backup? I used to use that long ago but the interface was horrendous and I never took the time to fully understand it. Is it even still actively developed, and worth learning about? Or has Swift superseded it?
If you value your data always back it up redundantly to at least 2 hdds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other and the PC. Cloud apps can fail you miserably. At least use a second backup method is cloud is the primary.
That includes apps. If you don't keep installable copies they may be lost forever or you will be forced to sideload from questionable sources.
Playstore is not a reliable repository.
Use ApkExport to make installable copies of apps and updates, load directly from the drive.
You want cross platform installable app copies that you can load on most Android devices not just your current one. Apps are critical data, back them up.
APK Export (Backup & Share) - Apps on Google Play
Manage and extract your apps.
play.google.com
They will be automatically reinstalled if your device is synced to google.
Data and configs are lost though...
If it reinstalled old apps then check if it's properly synced.
fdgfgd said:
They will be automatically reinstalled if your device is synced to google.
Data and configs are lost though...
If it reinstalled old apps then maybe if it's properly synced.
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They might be, but as my OP stated, I've had the situation where it installs more than what was on the device
samwhiteUK said:
They might be, but as my OP stated, I've had the situation where it installs more than what was on the device
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Take direct control. Nothing like a bunch of unwanted app installs/uninstalls to mess up a reload.
With Google you're not the customer, you're the product.
Swift backup worked a charm, thanks everyone
A suggestion I've read in the past, but have not tried myself, is to use OnePlus's app, now Clone Phone, to perform a backup. The file gets placed in internal memory under "opbackup". Copy the file off the phone prior to wiping it. Put the file back afterwards and perform a restore from within Clone Phone.
I cannot speak to if all app settings are restored.
Hello,
since Titanium Backup which I used for years seems to not work anymore, I am now looking for any other possibilities to transfer my apps+app data and also some system settings like wifi passwords/APN data, BT connections and such.
With TB this was always well working for me.
What I have tried:
OAndBackupX -> I enabled "special backups" and tried to backup wifi, but sadly it just creates a new folder for the wifi backup (special.wifi.access.points) with a properties file. However the subfolder, where the backup should be present is empty.
So this solution doesn't seems to work, at least not on my phone with Android 8.
I also tried to do backups of some apps, however it looks a bit strange to backup an app that shows as 25mb and the base.apk which gets created for it is only 9mb (and no other file besides that, although everything was ticked for backup)
How is everyone here doing this when switching from one phone to another (especially for access point data and data of apps)?
Syncing wifi passwords to google cloud I somehow do not want (even if they're encrypted) and the issue with app+app data is still present then.
Annil said:
Hello,
since Titanium Backup which I used for years seems to not work anymore, I am now looking for any other possibilities to transfer my apps+app data and also some system settings like wifi passwords/APN data, BT connections and such.
With TB this was always well working for me.
What I have tried:
OAndBackupX -> I enabled "special backups" and tried to backup wifi, but sadly it just creates a new folder for the wifi backup (special.wifi.access.points) with a properties file. However the subfolder, where the backup should be present is empty.
So this solution doesn't seems to work, at least not on my phone with Android 8.
I also tried to do backups of some apps, however it looks a bit strange to backup an app that shows as 25mb and the base.apk which gets created for it is only 9mb (and no other file besides that, although everything was ticked for backup)
How is everyone here doing this when switching from one phone to another (especially for access point data and data of apps)?
Syncing wifi passwords to google cloud I somehow do not want (even if they're encrypted) and the issue with app+app data is still present then.
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This was the biggest pain in the ass. I tried plugging my old phone into the new phone but my old phone died midway through so I basically just started fresh. it sucks I have been doing it all last night and this morning and haven't finished. I did use sms back up & restore to get my text messages other than that everything is fresh and annoying.
No one else facing issues with backup/transfer? How is everyone transferring nowadays their appdata and access points and such? Really curious....
Got two phones here (Pixel 6 + Pro) waiting for transfers and I am still not sure how to accomplish completely...
Glad about any inputs!
A lot of people are recommending Swift Backup which is supposed to be the successor to Titanium Backup. I haven't tried it myself though.
If I understand correctly, Swift Backup also requires root to restore app data, network settings etc.
The best backup/restore solution I found was Google One's built in. It just works (albeit not as well as, say, iOS, and definitely not up to the level of Swift/Titanium). Without root, sadly, you won't have many options as you're limited to the APIs Google provides, which themselves are limited. Swift works this around by "manually" backing up all the files/folders for every app.
I do have google one, but sadly most apps I would require, get only backed up for the APK but not the data
Is Titanium Backup now deprecated for latest Android? I have Android10 on a car head unit with a very customised oem Launcher. I managed to root it with universal root from here and Magisk (Thanks). Titanium shows me all the installed apps and bloat with sizes - great!. I want to make a backup of an App in the oem system folder before deleting it. I seem to be able to create a backup on mnt/sdcard, but I can't delete the oem app?
I have 2 system folders, System\ and system (root). They appear mirrors of each other and if I go to system(root) /oem/app/*My bloat app, I can delete it with FX root file browser. But not if I go to folders inside System\. Is this something to do with how Magisk roots and can restore to non root by creating a mirror folder? I used TB to make a backup of this bloat app and it worked. But after deleting the app successfully with a file browser the TB backup folder was empty - is this normal? With one pre-installed (Russian!) nav app I didn't need or trust, I recovered 4.5Gb of memory with more oem apps to look at.
For now I can use TB to locate bloat apps I want to remove with a file browser but I really wanted to back them up first and delete from within the app. Is TB trying to delete from system\ where access seems denied, rather than system(root) where I can delete files with a root explorer? Any help appreciated - Thanks
TB is pretty much dead...
i started using Swift.. and also https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...mate-app-manager-debloat-tool-tweaks.4147837/
Thanks, I was guessing that from the age of posts in this thread. I started off thinking I wanted a full Nandroid backup but that requires a customised TWRP partition and AFIK this car head unit with its OE launcher doesn't seem to follow the partition structure I'm used to in phones. It has 3 external USBs and I can't get it to do anything with adb and a pc connected. The USBs are only active towards the end of boot. However, their factory image and unversal root seems to get picked up with the same 'Upgrade' screen messages from the folder Isec_updatesh. I don't know what I'd do if I bricked it, although I have found the OE Boot.img file packed in their update folders.
Thanks for the link to bloat removal. Nandroid backup creates a full rom image whereas most other backup apps seem to only backup apks and not system files. Android car head units are heavily customised with many added hardware based peripherals so a full backup is important to me. Adb might offer a solution, but as I said, even in developer mode I can't get the USBs to talk to a pc which I assume is because there isn't the usual recovery mode, unless it's on button press combos I haven't found yet? There is a recovery to factory reset, but it's an option in their launcher so I'm guessing it's not in the usual Android recovery partition?
OK I took a quick look at ADB AppControl. First I need to establish an ADB link from PC and I'm struggling with that. Second it does what some other non-root apps do which is to hide the bloatware and stop them running when my objective is to take the 16Gb+ memory they filled from 32Gb and recover memory by deleting bloatware and apps I don't need. There's a tendency now to sell these Chinese car head units with all the GAPPS and many more pre-installed. Unfortunely, most require a mobile network connection to function. I'm not interested in their Satnav, Google maps, Facebook or other social media apps they threw in. The one thing going for me now is I'm running AFwall+ which is the best reason for rooting a Chinese sourced device to stop data leaks to them or Google.
As I ran their factory 'update' I could see all these apps getting installed. If I was clever enough to understand how the Android 10 install 'Manifest' (my words) worked, I would prefer to edit out entries for OE apps in their installer, if it was possible?