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So I'm looking for SD cards for my vibrant. I'm wondering if I should be shelling out 100$ for a 16 GB Class 10 card or get the class 2 32 GB for the same price. Does anyone know if the phone might somehow be limited to certain file transfer speeds when connected via USB? I do intend to use the card for video and have all my apps on it. Thoughts?
From wikipedia:
The following are the ratings of some currently available cards:
Class 2: 16 Mbit/s (2 MB/s)
Class 4: 32 Mbit/s (4 MB/s)
Class 6: 48 Mbit/s (6 MB/s)
Class 10: 80 Mbit/s (10 MB/s)
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You might compromise and look for a class 6 -- i've seen a lot more class 6's than 10's so you might get a much better value from a class 6 purchase -- unless you need/want the fastest possible.
Lets just say I survived for a couple of years or whatever the time frame was running my apps off my G1 on a Class 6 card just fine.
Avatar runs fine on my SD card so I'd guess at least whatever that is if you are running video.
Thanks for the input, anyone actually have a 10 that they are using? A 6 is a viable option...
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Class 4 is plenty fast. Class 10 imo for this phone is a waste of money. I got a class 4 16GB for $32.99 last weekend.
Go for a class 6, 10 is overkill and really intended for mass writes in the form of very high quality video or photos in quick succession.
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i have a 32 gb class2 and it plays my 720p .mkv videos just fine
Not all micro SD cards are made the same even if they say they are a given class. Stay away from eBay there are cases where people modify the firmware of the card and you get a card that is actually smaller or slower.
The best cards are name brands like Sandisk or Lexar. Transcend is also a very good brand and the tend to mark their card such that they always meet the spec but often read at higher speeds. Kingston is the name brand card that I have seen so far, but reviews on Newegg indicate that it's R/W performance isn't class 10 (<10MB/s). Some vendors interpret the class spec such that they say cards are class X if their peak read speed is X instead of their lowest R/W speed should not go below X.
I'd recommend getting a class 6 Transcend card (lifetime warranty). The sweet spot right now is 8GB class 6 for ~$20. Their 16GB is like ~$75 on Amazon.
Class 6 is good if you plan to run apps or put extended partitions / swap on it. That is what I did with my old G1. It is also a safe bet if your planning to record at 720p.
If you just need space for playing movies and music you can go for the cheaper 32GB cards. I'd pick a class 4 to be safe if your doing HD movies.
I know speeds are:
Class 4 - Minimum of 4 MB/s performance.
Class 6 - Minimum of 6 MB/s performance.
Class 10 - Minimum of 10 MB/s performance.
Can the Galaxy S even get up to class 10 if I go that route?
Yes, it matters a buttload.
Yes the Vibrant can make full use of the fastest chips out there.
Spend a few dollars more at Newegg and get a good chip from a known maker (Crucial, PNY, Micron, etc). The stuff is pretty cheap anyways....worth a few bucks just for piece of mind.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...00007962 600006209&IsNodeId=1&name=Micro SDHC
I'd suggest staying clear of Kingston and *possibly* Patriot.
I've nver seen Kingston stuff work as advertised and Patriot is a hit or miss at best.
Agree with n2ishun
I agree withn2ishun
Crucial and the other he mentioned are way more ereliable and have a better burst capacity (ability to write for shot periods of time faster than normal benchmark).
SD Memory Card basic breakout these are just averages i have in my phone a 16 gig card that claims 20+mb transfer rate never checked it but it is fast
Speed Class -2 Normal Bus I/F SD, miniSD, microSD
micro SDXC data rate less than 3 mb per sec
Speed Class - 4 6 HD ~ Full HD video recording above less than 7 mb per sec
Speed Class - 10 High Speed Bus I/F Full HD video recording 10 Greater than 10 mb per sec
UHS Speed Class 1 UHS-I Bus I/F HD TV Real time recording (only available on bigger cards)
micro sd card advice (manufacturer advice)
n2ishun said:
Spend a few dollars more at Newegg and get a good chip from a known maker (Crucial, PNY, Micron, etc). The stuff is pretty cheap anyways....worth a few bucks just for piece of mind.
I'd suggest staying clear of Kingston and *possibly* Patriot.
I've nver seen Kingston stuff work as advertised and Patriot is a hit or miss at best.
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I dont know much about phone memory. i'll be getting my first smart phone this week (vibrant). I followed the link and the only company you had listed that i saw was PNY and they only sold cards at class 4 speeds. So besides kingston and patriot are the other's ok? Centon had a few class 6 cards that i was looking at. Or perhaps i should be asking are there any other companies i should stay away from?
thanks in advance
A lot of brands are okay. Well, that is if you buy it from a legit retailer and not from ebay where there is a chance for you to get a fake one.
Sandisk, PNY, Kingston, Adata, Transcend (I have a class 6 one), Crucial, and etc. They are all about the same. Go to Newegg for reviews.
Ah ok.
thanks alot.
Rodrigo
dont forget about meritline.com.
i get all my sd cards from there.
It only matters if you're impatient.
dezvous said:
It only matters if you're impatient.
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I wouldn't say "impatient" but sometimes we have better things to do than sit there and wait for a file to finish transferring. Especially big files.
Usually files don't really get big enough on phones for 4mbs to be a huge problem.
But I'm not going to argue with you, the faster the better definitely. The good thing is there usually isn't a big difference in price between the different classes if you're shopping in the right places either.
the stock card is a class 4. I have an 8GB class 6 from my G1 days when we were doing 3 partitions on one card (crazy to me now). Does it matter? Yeah... Is it worth spending a lot of money on? Matter of opinion... how much are you using the sd card for read/write? I use the internal memory most.
I can see speed being an issue if you're taking a lot of pictures and video and saving to SD card. I usually use my external just for music, so Class 2 is fine for that (still, wouldn't turn down a Class 6 card if the cost differential were slight).
Where is the best/cheapest place to get SD cards?
I am thinking about getting a 32gb card for all my music etc..
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Is there a big difference between the "classes"?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=MicroSD+card+classes
you got two options when it comes to 32gb cards, $80 for a class 2, or $150 for a class 4. Video over 2mbps may studder on class 2 cards.
Kingston introduces Class 4 32GB microSDHC card, charges dearly for the speed
16gb class 4 @ frys for 32$.
Best deal I've seen..
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Class? Kinda, if you have an 8gig at class 6 and you move up to a 16 gig running at class 6 the larger drive will be slower. The reason being you need more voltage for 16 gig to reach class 6 then an 8gig. The phone won't provide it though since its voltage is regulated so not to incur more heat on the phone and damage the internal hardware. With 32gig being twice the capacity its hard to say how many volts it would need to hit class 4 speeds but its probably best to run benchmarks to see
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Class? Kinda, if you have an 8gig at class 6 and you move up to a 16 gig running at class 6 the larger drive will be slower. The reason being you need more voltage for 16 gig to reach class 6 then an 8gig. The phone won't provide it though since its voltage is regulated so not to incur more heat on the phone and damage the internal hardware. With 32gig being twice the capacity its hard to say how many volts it would need to hit class 4 speeds but its probably best to run benchmarks to see
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Nice info, did not know that...
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Where is the best/cheapest place to get SD cards
I am thinking about getting a 32gb card for all my music etc..
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Is there a big difference between the "classes"?
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www.supermediastore.com is my favorite place. They are having a deal right now for a Class 10 32GB for $56.77 (click link) AData and Transcend have pretty much done me right so far.
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Class? Kinda, if you have an 8gig at class 6 and you move up to a 16 gig running at class 6 the larger drive will be slower. The reason being you need more voltage for 16 gig to reach class 6 then an 8gig. The phone won't provide it though since its voltage is regulated so not to incur more heat on the phone and damage the internal hardware. With 32gig being twice the capacity its hard to say how many volts it would need to hit class 4 speeds but its probably best to run benchmarks to see
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I cant agree. Micro SD cards have a 3.3V standard, most are pretty close to the same amperage draw also. If you follow most memory trends the larger the chips and capacity gets, the less power required and usually smaller build technology. So while in theory I think larger would equal more power, I dont actually think thats true. I think newer, larger cards use less power than older smaller ones. Even if they are much faster. Just my opinion, not fact.
So my advice is to get the largest and fastest card you can. Have yet to have any adverse effects on any phone.
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www.supermediastore.com is my favorite place. They are having a deal right now for a Class 10 32GB for $56.77 (click link) AData and Transcend have pretty much done me right so far.
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That's for a regular SD card. There's no such thing as a Class 10 32GB Micro SD. Not yet, anyway.
psychoace said:
Class? Kinda, if you have an 8gig at class 6 and you move up to a 16 gig running at class 6 the larger drive will be slower. The reason being you need more voltage for 16 gig to reach class 6 then an 8gig. The phone won't provide it though since its voltage is regulated so not to incur more heat on the phone and damage the internal hardware. With 32gig being twice the capacity its hard to say how many volts it would need to hit class 4 speeds but its probably best to run benchmarks to see
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So my phone will overheat if i dont get a high enough class?
I guess my real question is, does it matter what class i have if i will strictly be using the card for music? I use my internal for everything else..
The K-Zoo Kid said:
So my phone will overheat if i dont get a high enough class?
I guess my real question is, does it matter what class i have if i will strictly be using the card for music? I use my internal for everything else..
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Don't worry about the card overheating. The minor changes in voltage mean practically nothing to us.
If all you are storing is music (like myself) then just get a class 2. This one from Verizon is probably the cheapest one you're going to find. Basically anything cheaper (like from eBay or Craigslist) is most likely a scam.
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Don't worry about the card overheating. The minor changes in voltage mean practically nothing to us.
If all you are storing is music (like myself) then just get a class 2. This one from Verizon is probably the cheapest one you're going to find. Basically anything cheaper (like from eBay or Craigslist) is most likely a scam.
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Thanks bro.
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That's for a regular SD card. There's no such thing as a Class 10 32GB Micro SD. Not yet, anyway.
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Good catch, jumped the gun on that one. But....there is certainly CL10 Micro SD's thats just not one of them. Do a quick Google search and youll find some for sale. Price is still pretty high though.
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So my phone will overheat if i dont get a high enough class?
I guess my real question is, does it matter what class i have if i will strictly be using the card for music? I use my internal for everything else..
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No I'm saying your phone's microsd card will run as fast as a class 2 card if it's actually a class 4. I said the voltage is regulated that means it wont go over a predetermined amount. That is why the cards go slower and why they don't overheat.
Outside of Ebay, the best price I've seen for Class 2 32GB microSDHC cards is at
http://www.datamemorysystems.com/_memory-information/DM55_0981-2A.asp for a Transcend card.
Best price for Kingston's Class 4 32GB card is like $100.
Kingston and Transcend have just entered the 32GB microSDHC market this month joining SanDisk, so prices have dropped a bit and may drop more in the future.
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Class? Kinda, if you have an 8gig at class 6 and you move up to a 16 gig running at class 6 the larger drive will be slower. The reason being you need more voltage for 16 gig to reach class 6 then an 8gig. The phone won't provide it though since its voltage is regulated so not to incur more heat on the phone and damage the internal hardware. With 32gig being twice the capacity its hard to say how many volts it would need to hit class 4 speeds but its probably best to run benchmarks to see
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So you're familiar with ohms law....or at least you'd say so ?
You do know that the voltage paths and the data paths are on different pins ..... right ?
Your post is one of the most ill-informed I've ever heard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#SDHC
Go there, learn something.
Voltage has NOTHING to do with read speed or data capacity.
They all run the same voltage, and *gasp* the same amperage.
I guess since volts x amps = watts....they must run the same wattage too
BTW, all SDHC chips are required to run under a very tight specification and they have to be licensed to run in that spec.....so there is no room for deviation in the voltage arena.
Here, since you are mis-informed of the class specs too (jeebus!).
The Speed Class Rating is the official unit of speed measurement for SD Cards, defined by the SD Association. The Class number represents a multiple of 8 Mbit/s (1 MB/s), and it measures the minimum sustained write speeds for a card in a fragmented state [10].
The following are the ratings of some currently available cards: [11]
Class 0 - These cards do not specify performance, which includes all legacy cards prior to class specifications.
Class 2 - Minimum of 2 MB/s performance. Lowest speed for SDHC cards.
Class 4 - Minimum of 4 MB/s performance.
Class 6 - Minimum of 6 MB/s performance.
Class 10 - Minimum of 10 MB/s performance.
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Here, since you are mis-informed of the class specs too (jeebus!).
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So your saying the card determines speed always? Your saying there will be no bottleneck ever? So no matter what, your card will run at peak speeds at all times on any device? Your saying that flash memory can do the impossible? Cpu's and ram need certain voltages to run at at top speeds. Your saying that no matter the voltage the memory will run at rated speeds at all times. I'm sorry but your wrong. Flash memory is like any other computer part. In order for it to reach optimal speed it needs current. If you don't provide enough voltage to ram it wont run at the rated speed it's setup for, same goes for cpu's/gpu's/ssd's and everything else. If you look here you will see that microsd cards vary in voltage from 2.7v's to 3.6v
http://www.sdcard.org/developers/tech/sdhc/
That means certain sd cards could use more voltage for different reason. 1 being they are rated at higher class of speeds 2. they need it because they are running a more condensed memory package. In order for class 6 cards to reach those speeds it needs enough electricity to run. Just like cpu/ram if there is not enough voltage it will run at slower speeds. With cpu/ram though you pick the speeds before hand. With sd memory they decided on a little more looser scheme. If the card gets enough juice it will run at it's optimal speed but if it doesn't it will have to drop to a slower speed. This is all done automatically so you don't have to worry about it since you might throw this memory in multiple devices and to setup multiple devices for it would be a pain. So yes I understand there is a difference between data paths and voltage paths I do know that voltage paths supply the power to run the data paths. With less power running the data paths the slower it will go. So with phones manufacturers lowering said voltage to better optimize there phones for power consumption and heat reduction it shouldn't be to hard to understand that these cards wont run at there rated speeds in said device. Phone manufactures are going to take the middle road and not allow 3.6v's to hit the microsd slot. That will cause to much heat and during stress tests they don't want to scrap a phone just because it can't handle the voltage needed to run cards at speeds most people wont notice. Most phones run at 3.3v's or less on there microsd slot. If your card needs 3.6v it wont just say "can't accept card" it will run it but it wont be able to provide enough juice to support it's rated speed.
If you still don't believe that devices cause bottlenecks run this test. All you need is 3 things (outside of your computer of course) a camera, memory for said camera (be it compact flash/sd/sdhc/microsd/etc) and a USB2 memory card reader. If you don't have these see if you can find someone who does or have them run these tests. Ok now either throw 100mb of files on the card or find a group of photos totaling near 100mb's. Now plug in the camera and copy those files to your desktop. See how long it takes (you don't need a stop watch cause the difference is not subtle) to complete the transfer and note the rated transfer speed and time. Now delete those files off your desktop and run again but this time with the card inserted into your media card reader. Jot down the rate of speed and time. You will notice a much quicker transfer with the media card read then the camera. The reason being as mentioned many times is that they regulate voltage on devices. With a media card reader it doesn't need to be regulated cause it's not setup to worry about battery drains and it doesn't need to worry about getting to hot. Unless you can figure out another reason why the camera would slow down the speed of transfer I would like to know.
I have a 32GB class 2 and it runs just fine for videos. I can play Avatar with no hiccups on it at all.
techboydino said:
Good catch, jumped the gun on that one. But....there is certainly CL10 Micro SD's thats just not one of them. Do a quick Google search and youll find some for sale. Price is still pretty high though.
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No, the link you showed is a 16GB. Again, there is no such thing as a Class 10 32GB Micro SD card at this time. Sandisk has a Class 2 and Kingston a Class 4, but nothing faster is out on the market right now.
blah blah, whatever
Learn what voltage is
Learn what current is
You're talking out of serious lack of knowledge.
That phone you are speaking of IS NOT a desktop computer, the devices are not singular and replaceable, let alone capable of a variance of factors.
You simply do not go into the bios and tweak the settings on a phone.
If the SD card runs or not is the factor, *voltage* (ahem) does not change, it is STATIC!
I guess YOU could always slap a RAID card in it and SLI some video chips....
But back in the real world.....
Can someone do that test? Will a Class 6 card work at Class 6 speeds in the phone? I would think so since cards are classified based on minimum sustained transfer... even if a particular card can get higher output in certain applications, it shouldn't fall below the minimum class rating, right?
hi, i posted not long ago about memory i bought from ebay..it was fake, i did return it and today i was given a refund from ebay........what i want to know is this
where should i buy my memory from...is play.com safe??? is amazon.co.uk safe??
im looking at some on play.com right now but daren't purchase till i know it won't be fake, also does play.com accept paypal?
what size should i be looking for??
what class should i be going for??
thanks in advance
order off of newegg if your looking for micro sd cards because they're cheaper for like 16gbs
If you store a ton (and I mean a TON) of music and possibly video on the phone, get 16GB.
If you do not meet that criteria, you are more than fine to grab a 4GB or 8GB and just get something class 6 or higher for speed.
Class 10 is overkill, but it is also a bit more future proof.
I personally have a 4GB class 10 and I haven't even made a dent in it.
Picked it up at Amazon for $14 or $16 shipped a few weeks before xmas.
Just make sure that it is Amazon or an Amazon authorized reseller and you're fine.
If you find a deal on NewEgg that includes free shipping, they also are outstanding to buy tech items from, as stated above.
Good luck.
Oh. One last thing.
Even if you think you take a lot of pictures, keep in mind that 1GB of memory holds approx. 1,000 pics taken at 5MP. Do you really plan on storing 16,000 photos on your phone?
Hi, I can't find it anymore but I've read somewhere that comparatively a class 2 or 4 performed better than a class 6 or 10. On a side note, if like me, you also watch shows or movies on your phone, take a 16 Gabriel Kingston class 4: they're cheap and perform very well! I got 2*8gb SD cards and 1*16gb and I'm very happy with them.
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evoic said:
If you store a ton (and I mean a TON) of music and possibly video on the phone, get 16GB.
If you do not meet that criteria, you are more than fine to grab a 4GB or 8GB and just get something class 6 or higher for speed.
Class 10 is overkill, but it is also a bit more future proof.
I personally have a 4GB class 10 and I haven't even made a dent in it.
Picked it up at Amazon for $14 or $16 shipped a few weeks before xmas.
Just make sure that it is Amazon or an Amazon authorized reseller and you're fine.
If you find a deal on NewEgg that includes free shipping, they also are outstanding to buy tech items from, as stated above.
Good luck.
Oh. One last thing.
Even if you think you take a lot of pictures, keep in mind that 1GB of memory holds approx. 1,000 pics taken at 5MP. Do you really plan on storing 16,000 photos on your phone?
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forelli said:
Hi, I can't find it anymore but I've read somewhere that comparatively a class 2 or 4 performed better than a class 6 or 10. On a side note, if like me, you also watch shows or movies on your phone, take a 16 Gabriel Kingston class 4: they're cheap and perform very well! I got 2*8gb SD cards and 1*16gb and I'm very happy with them.
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I think what you're referring to is the card-to-phone transfer speed, which I believe is internally capped, so even if you had a futuristic class 50 card, it still would not matter because of the cap, you're going to end up with 2-4MBs max speed. This means that in terms of use in your phone, you're fine with Class 2 and probably maxed with Class 4.
The DIFFERENCE is that if you take the card out of the phone and throw it into a reader, my card is going to transfer the data 5 times faster between the reader and my computer than that class 2.
It also can be used with an adapter and be thrown into a camera that takes advantage of high speed memory. It's the difference between firing off 24 pics per minute vs. 100+ pics per minute.
Here is the wiki link and a quick excerpt, the first number is the read speed, the next number is the write speed and that relates to how the card is numerically rated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Speed_Class_Rating
Speed Class Rating
The Speed Class Rating is the official unit of speed measurement for SD Cards, defined by the SD Association. It is equal to 8 Mbit/s, and it measures the minimum write speeds based on "the best fragmented state where no memory unit is occupied":[10]
The following are the ratings of some currently available cards:
* Class 2: 16 Mbit/s (2 MB/s)
* Class 4: 32 Mbit/s (4 MB/s)
* Class 6: 48 Mbit/s (6 MB/s)
* Class 10: 80 Mbit/s (10 MB/s)
Even though the class ratings are defined by a governing body, like × speed ratings, class speed ratings are quoted by the manufacturers but unverified by any independent evaluation process. In applications that require sustained write throughput, such as video recording, the device may not perform satisfactorily if the SD card's class rating falls below a particular speed. For example, a camcorder that is designed to record to class 6 media may suffer dropouts or corrupted video on slower media.
Important differences between the Speed Class and the traditional CD-ROM drive speed measurement ("×" speed ratings) are that speed class:
1. may be queried by the host device
2. defines the minimum transfer speed.
Newegg is selling a Patriot 32gb class 10 microSD for a hundred bucks. I think it's out of stock atm but if you're in the market for speed and size this would be a great one!
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ArabianRATA said:
Newegg is selling a Patriot 32gb class 10 microSD for a hundred bucks. I think it's out of stock atm but if you're in the market for speed and size this would be a great one!
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Once more, in the interest of information:
- Patriot Current Pricing -
4GB Class 10 = $12
8GB Class 10 = $25
16GB Class 10 = $49
32GB Class 10 = $100
I prefer to get on official Samsung site or physical store. As I know, most memory on ebay are fake and are just updated from some former version. The storage is not true.
Geoowl said:
I prefer to get on official Samsung site or physical store. As I know, most memory on ebay are fake and are just updated from some former version. The storage is not true.
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1. Who said anything about eBay?
2. Samsung sends a warm and hearty "Thank You". It is customers like you that choose to pay a 400% premium for "name brand" when often times with numerous products, the "name brand" company is buying from an OEM house and relabeling it. (LCD TV's, Power Supplies, and especially various types of memory)
3. Simply put, just buy from any reseller in good standing - online or brick and morter, and test the memory when you receive it if you should have any concerns at all. As long as you're buying from a known entity that gets scrutinized to death on these boards (such as Sandisk, Kingston, and yes....Patriot) you should be perfectly fine and you should receive exactly what you order.
Hi,
I am pretty confident at this point I'll be picking up a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 once it hits the market (presuming it's not banned off the face of the Earth by Apple first, somehow), but I have a question, and, I'm not entirely clear on something:
The Note II comes in three variants, 16 GB, 32 GB and 64 GB. However, what's the point of buying anything other than the 16 GB (maybe 32 GB) if it supports up to 64 GB via micro SDHC? Plus, to my understanding you can install apps directly to the MSDHC as well? I presume this is due to local caching, performance, etc. which is why you would want to use local storage only, but, to that, I ask: if you buy the 64 GB, is there really enough of a reason to require it? The app store just doesn't provide enough interest to need it for apps themselves, music and video can put dumped in the much cheaper MSDHC instead; so why buy the higher storage capacity? I know this is a very subjective thing, so, it's a bit of preference involved, but, I'm curious to know what the leading factors are, so when the time comes to pay the premium I'll know for sure what I'll be picking up internal-storage wise.
Anyone who wants to clear this up for me, please, do, I'm sure I'm missing something fundamental here.
Exino said:
Hi,
I am pretty confident at this point I'll be picking up a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 once it hits the market (presuming it's not banned off the face of the Earth by Apple first, somehow), but I have a question, and, I'm not entirely clear on something:
The Note II comes in three variants, 16 GB, 32 GB and 64 GB. However, what's the point of buying anything other than the 16 GB (maybe 32 GB) if it supports up to 64 GB via micro SDHC? Plus, to my understanding you can install apps directly to the MSDHC as well? I presume this is due to local caching, performance, etc. which is why you would want to use local storage only, but, to that, I ask: if you buy the 64 GB, is there really enough of a reason to require it? The app store just doesn't provide enough interest to need it for apps themselves, music and video can put dumped in the much cheaper MSDHC instead; so why buy the higher storage capacity? I know this is a very subjective thing, so, it's a bit of preference involved, but, I'm curious to know what the leading factors are, so when the time comes to pay the premium I'll know for sure what I'll be picking up internal-storage wise.
Anyone who wants to clear this up for me, please, do, I'm sure I'm missing something fundamental here.
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Internal NAND is usually orders of magnitude faster. Also, it is less complicated to deal with when you dont have to play the "Which Partition To Use Today" game.
Its not worth getting anything over 16gb as long as you can expand with micro sd. If no external storage is available, that's the only reason to get a 32 or 64 variant.
Plus, that extra storage is WAY over priced. A 32gb micro sd card can be as low as 20 bucks if you shop around. A 64gb can be had for about 50 bucks, so paying an extra 150 for the 64 over the 16 is robbery.
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Eun-Hjzjined said:
Its not worth getting anything over 16gb as long as you can expand with micro sd. If no external storage is available, that's the only reason to get a 32 or 64 variant.
Plus, that extra storage is WAY over priced. A 32gb micro sd card can be as low as 20 bucks if you shop around. A 64gb can be had for about 50 bucks, so paying an extra 150 for the 64 over the 16 is robbery.
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Internal NAND will be faster, bar none, than any SD card on the market. Class 10 or not. Its not a rip off, and it very well could mean the difference between slow loading apps (if they reside on the SD card) and a lagless experience. Just letting you know.
If all you plan to store is media, then by all means go for the minimum and augment with an SD card, but it it NOT robbery to be given far faster storage. It is like the difference between an IDE drive and SATA. No comparison or contest when it comes to board-mounted NAND.
I appreciate all the responses so far. I'm thinking I might just get the 32 GB middle-ground in this case (which is what I did when I bought my to-be-replaced iPhone 4), and it's served me well enough. If the difference between 32 GB and 64 GB ends up being $50.00 I'll likely just pick up the larger one as, at least in Canada, it's a 3-year phone term, so, I might as well add as much life to it as I can up front.
I definitely agree with the NAND vs MSDHC performance. The reason I only question it is that I am, of course, thinking of only doing a media dump on the device. Now, I also plan on loading in direct Blu-ray to 720p files, so, I'm not sure of the performance marker there of pulling 720p content from a MSDHC to the device would be, but I can only imagine my performance would be better realised if I was pulling it direct off the NAND.
I guess it'll come down to price, more than anything. I am not heavy into doing large-media storage, so, I doubt there will be much going on where I really need to hit 128 GB of space, but, you know, having the option is nice, especially when travelling around. At least Samsung didn't decide to get foolish and only offer the internal NAND as options, MSDHC is definitely a very nice feature in a device that's intended to bridge the smartphone and tablet market.
...it will also come down to what AT&T offers!!!!
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Exino said:
Hi,
I am pretty confident at this point I'll be picking up a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 once it hits the market (presuming it's not banned off the face of the Earth by Apple first, somehow), but I have a question, and, I'm not entirely clear on something:
The Note II comes in three variants, 16 GB, 32 GB and 64 GB. However, what's the point of buying anything other than the 16 GB (maybe 32 GB) if it supports up to 64 GB via micro SDHC? Plus, to my understanding you can install apps directly to the MSDHC as well? I presume this is due to local caching, performance, etc. which is why you would want to use local storage only, but, to that, I ask: if you buy the 64 GB, is there really enough of a reason to require it? The app store just doesn't provide enough interest to need it for apps themselves, music and video can put dumped in the much cheaper MSDHC instead; so why buy the higher storage capacity? I know this is a very subjective thing, so, it's a bit of preference involved, but, I'm curious to know what the leading factors are, so when the time comes to pay the premium I'll know for sure what I'll be picking up internal-storage wise.
Anyone who wants to clear this up for me, please, do, I'm sure I'm missing something fundamental here.
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It's the same game that has been around for decades now regarding storage space and price. The price per unit of storage is always going down and your usage of said storage is always going up. One day you will be wondering how you lived with anything less than an Exabyte of space and laugh at those who paid $100 per terabyte. There are only relative usage profiles for the space and everyone's budget is also relative. For me, I will be rocking the 64GB variant with a 64GB micro SD card and claim 128GB in 2012... but you sir will have the last laugh at my expense
16gb internal with micro sd is better, so all game data will go to internal sd, while all your important file(pics,mp3,vids etc) in your micro sd(whatever size it is) much safer if something wrong happen to internal sd
32gb way to much, better having a large micro sd than internal sd
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If its anything like the S3 you wont be able to move apps to a sd card.
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If its anything like the S3 you wont be able to move apps to a sd card.
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16gb wont enough?
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robyr said:
Internal NAND will be faster, bar none, than any SD card on the market. Class 10 or not. Its not a rip off, and it very well could mean the difference between slow loading apps (if they reside on the SD card) and a lagless experience. Just letting you know.
If all you plan to store is media, then by all means go for the minimum and augment with an SD card, but it it NOT robbery to be given far faster storage. It is like the difference between an IDE drive and SATA. No comparison or contest when it comes to board-mounted NAND.
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Sweeping comment, TROLLING?? I have seen many Micro SD cards from Sandisk reaching upto 100MBps despite being marketed as Class 10. This is VERY IRRESPONSIBLE comment as there is no holy grail engraved in your beloved "NAND" Flash. Its just a type of flash and doesn't dictate in terms of performance unless Samsung's hardware can not utilize the higher speed Micro SD cards.
One major benefit of having 64GB onboard would be Micro SD card will become more redundant if you live with that space for years. Also, you would have an opportunity to have upto 124GB or so when using 64GB Micro SD cards (I am optimistic though that these new phones may support even higher capacity 128GB or so MSD cards may be after some software tweaks by some of our dev gurus here).
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16gb wont enough?
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Not for me. I ran out of storage already.
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Prankey said:
Its just a type of flash and doesn't dictate in terms of performance unless Samsung's hardware can not utilize the higher speed Micro SD cards.
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All card readers/writers have their throughput limits.
How fast the note 2's is is yet to be determined.
Has anyone determined the max write /read speed of the note 1?
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