Now that the Verizon version is unlocked, is it possible to install the stock Google firmware onto the Verizon model (and subsequently get regular updates from Google, not Verizon)?
The updates still come from Google, regardless of where you bought the device. In fact, if you had a google store version of the pixel witha verizon sim, you would still get the X build as it has a different radio tuned for VZW.
Flashed the google images after unlocking the bootloader and after a few min the verizon build ended up being an update. So far, there is not way to avoid the verizon build unless you are rooted ...
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Flashed the google images after unlocking the bootloader and after a few min the verizon build ended up being an update. So far, there is not way to avoid the verizon build unless you are rooted ...
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The only difference between the V and X builds are the radio.
So they must identify by Imei, which is which.
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The only difference between the V and X builds are the radio.
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In the bootloader thread there was speculation about how they tie each image for which phone. Some speculated about phones being recognized for their IMEI, SIM,CID, etc etc etc but nothing conclusive. The other day I met a person who got the phone from the google play store and have verizon but his latest build remains NDE63V, not NDE63X. Quiet honestly, I'm skeptical as of which is really the difference.
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In the bootloader thread there was speculation about how they tie each image for which phone. Some speculated about phones being recognized for their IMEI, SIM,CID, etc etc etc but nothing conclusive. The other day I met a person who got the phone from the google play store and have verizon but his latest build remains NDE63V, not NDE63X. Quiet honestly, I'm skeptical as of which is really the difference.
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That doesn't surprise me, It took a week before I got the update. Its a staged rollout, just like any other OTA is.
The question is mine too, I am going to buy a verizon one that the bootloader can not unlock, now we know uts possible to unlockit, I would like to know if possible to flash google play stock on verizon?
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biijan said:
The question is mine too, I am going to buy a verizon one that the bootloader can not unlock, now we know uts possible to unlockit, I would like to know if possible to flash google play stock on verizon?
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If you can unlock it, yes. But if it comes with 7.1.1 or you let it update to 7.1.1 before you unlock it you are done. It will be locked without a way to unlock it.
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biijan said:
The question is mine too, I am going to buy a verizon one that the bootloader can not unlock, now we know uts possible to unlockit, I would like to know if possible to flash google play stock on verizon?
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They are the same phone with the same software. There's nothing to flash
biijan said:
The question is mine too, I am going to buy a verizon one that the bootloader can not unlock, now we know uts possible to unlockit, I would like to know if possible to flash google play stock on verizon?
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Verizon phones:
If it has 7.1.0 then you can unlock the bootloader.
If it has 7.1.1 then you cannot unlock the bootloader.
If you cannot unlock the bootloader then you cannot flash older firmware to circumvent the bootloader lock.
If you want to flash ROM's then do not buy a Verizon phone with 7.1.1 already on it.
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Verizon phones:
If it has 7.1.0 then you can unlock the bootloader.
If it has 7.1.1 then you cannot unlock the bootloader.
If you cannot unlock the bootloader then you cannot flash older firmware to circumvent the bootloader lock.
If you want to flash ROM's then do not buy a Verizon phone with 7.1.1 already on it.
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That version is 7.1.0, so
Let me know please, If I flash with google play stock, then mine will be like google play pixels? And it will be updates like them? And can unlock bootloader even after updates?
Thanks
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biijan said:
That version is 7.1.0, so
Let me know please, If I flash with google play stock, then mine will be like google play pixels? And it will be updates like them? And can unlock bootloader even after updates?
Thanks
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Unlock your bootloader right away, before you take any 7.1.1 updates.
Then in the future before taking updates, research on XDA first to find out if it causes any problems.
biijan said:
That version is 7.1.0, so
Let me know please, If I flash with google play stock, then mine will be like google play pixels? And it will be updates like them? And can unlock bootloader even after updates?
Thanks
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If you update before you unlock you will not be able to unlock. Don't matter where you get it from. VZ and Google's update are the same. The google update our full flash to 7.1.1 will lock you. Probably for good.
So if I unlock my bootloader, in 7.1.0 It'll maintain the bootloader unlock atleast in 7.1.1? It'll still allow OTA updates? On the fence on what I want to do with the Pixel but would rather dePixel8 it while i have the chance.
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So if I unlock my bootloader, in 7.1.0 It'll maintain the bootloader unlock atleast in 7.1.1? It'll still allow OTA updates? On the fence on what I want to do with the Pixel but would rather dePixel8 it while i have the chance.
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My PixelXL came with NDE63P. I used depixel8 to unlock it. After that, it has taken 7.1-NDE63V, 7.1-NDE63X, and 7.11-NMF26O updates through Verizon without relocking the bootloader. I have messed up the phone several times and easily flashed the factory image to fix up each time. Instructions here in the xda PixelXL Forum are helpful. Custom recovery, kernel, or root will stop OTAs from installing.
Whatever you do, be sure to unlock it before taking updates.
Is it possible to overwrite the Verizon/EE bootloader once it is unlocked? So that the bootloader can be relocked and unlocked at will post updating to 7.1.1?
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Is it possible to overwrite the Verizon/EE bootloader once it is unlocked? So that the bootloader can be relocked and unlocked at will post updating to 7.1.1?
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Bootloader is the same. The unlockable "feature" appears to be IMEI related. Sets a flag, apparently...
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Bootloader is the same. The unlockable "feature" appears to be IMEI related. Sets a flag, apparently...
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Great, thanks for clearing that up. Seems best to stay clear of Verizon/EE models if I want to be able to unlock and lock at will.
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Having said that, having to wipe the user data with each unlock makes it pointless relocking it as I want it mainly for app data backups.
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Great, thanks for clearing that up. Seems best to stay clear of Verizon/EE models if I want to be able to unlock and lock at will.
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Having said that, having to wipe the user data with each unlock makes it pointless relocking it as I want it mainly for app data backups.
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Don't relock, we have seen lots of people brick phones that way. If you are trying to pass safteynet then flash a kernel that bypasses it.
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OK so I am going to have to return my pixel xl for a factory refurbished due to hardware issues with the camera flash. How do I relock the bootloader before taking it back?
Fastboot flashing lock? Or oem lock?
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oneandroidnut said:
Fastboot flashing lock? Or oem lock?
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It's that simple? Just run the fast lock command?
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It's that simple? Just run the fast lock command?
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I think lol it's been awhile since I locked a phone
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oneandroidnut said:
I think lol it's been awhile since I locked a phone
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I guess I should have mentioned as well it's a Verizon pixel xl and I had to use depixel8 to unlock it
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OK so I am going to have to return my pixel xl for a factory refurbished due to hardware issues with the camera flash. How do I relock the bootloader before taking it back?
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You better be absolutely sure that your device is completely stock before relocking the bootloader. Once you are sure, boot into the bootloader and type, fastboot OEM lock
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You better be absolutely sure that your device is completely stock before relocking the bootloader. Once you are sure, boot into the bootloader and type, fastboot OEM lock
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All I have done is unlock it. I have not flashed any kernels or mods or anything.
shibbnasty said:
All I have done is unlock it. I have not flashed any kernels or mods or anything.
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Ok then. You should be fine. fastboot OEM lock will lock your bootloader and wipe your data at the same time.
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Ok then. You should be fine. fastboot OEM lock will lock your bootloader and wipe your data at the same time.
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Thank you very much!
@shibbnasty. Actually, relocking the bootloader may not wipe data. I can't remember. Let me know if it does or not.
Yes it does.
Rank N00b here... just getting that out of the way.
Device: Verizon Pixel XL
Build: NDE63X
Bootloader: unlocked via dePixel8 (done after Nov update)
So the phone is stock and I'm not really keen on modding right now. I don't want to use a alpha build of TWRP and SuperSU seems to be in flux too. These aren't criticisms by the way; I realize this a very new handset and those kinds of tools take time to develop. Nothing happens overnight.
So, anyway, my phone is currently unlocked and I'm wondering if I'm not better off relocking it? As a stock unit, it should still get OTA's, right? Like I said, total n00b here...
@loaba,
There's absolutely no reason to relock your bootloader, unless you are annoyed by the Google bootloader unlock warning during boot, or if you are planning on returning it or selling it. Otherwise, leave it unlocked. Gives you much greater flexibility to recover if something goes wrong.
@cam30era,
Thanks for the reassurance.
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@cam30era,
Thanks for the reassurance.
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Also, Verizon may remove unlock ability via dePixel8 in their December update.
If that happens, you might have to wait awhile to get Unlock on a VZN Pixel again.
michaelbsheldon said:
Also, Verizon may remove unlock ability via dePixel8 in their December update.
If that happens, you might have to wait awhile to get Unlock on a VZN Pixel again.
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So if I want to maintain an unlocked device I need to act now... Guess I'll see which comes first - the possibly debilitating Dec update or a stable TWRP build (and a correspondingly stable custom ROM).
loaba said:
So if I want to maintain an unlocked device I need to act now... Guess I'll see which comes first - the possibly debilitating Dec update or a stable TWRP build (and a correspondingly stable custom ROM).
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Yep, do nothing and stay unlocked. You will still receive VZN OTA's and stay up to date as long as you do not install a custom recovery or kernel.
AND since you've remained unlocked, when the time comes that you do want a custom kernel or recovery, you can get them.
If it gets messed up somehow, you can do a clean RUU install as if nothing happened. If it's locked, you can't do that as easily.
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Yep, do nothing and stay unlocked. You will still receive VZN OTA's and stay up to date as long as you do not install a custom recovery or kernel.
AND since you've remained unlocked, when the time comes that you do want a custom kernel or recovery, you can get them.
If it gets messed up somehow, you can do a clean RUU install as if nothing happened. If it's locked, you can't do that as easily.
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About the OTA's - that was my big concern for now. Cool.
OP - thread derailed... sorry, man.
You cannot use Android pay on an unlocked phone. Unless there is a workaround.
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You cannot use Android pay on an unlocked phone. Unless there is a workaround.
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Most of the custom kernels fix that. Root is the hard one to hide.
I'm stock 7.1.1 Verizon xl is there a way to root now or are we waiting
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I'm stock 7.1.1 Verizon xl is there a way to root now or are we waiting
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Did you look in the development forum..
aholeinthewor1d said:
Did you look in the development forum..
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There's nothing there about root after update
revolt1 said:
There's nothing there about root after update
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There's no difference with root. You just can't unlock bootloader after the update. There are tons of threads about root already
aholeinthewor1d said:
There's no difference with root. You just can't unlock bootloader after the update. There are tons of threads about root already
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He can't use those root files with an unlocked bootloader
I wish VZW users would preface their thread titles with [VERIZON] so the rest of us could save a few clicks and just ignore them.
@revolt1,
Don't hold your breath waiting. I doubt there'll be a method to unlock VZW Pixel XL bootloader running 7.1.1.
7.1.1 locked up the bootloader again. Need to wait for an exploit. I'm finding .ore and more these days that stock Android is my fav without root now that I have a non-root AdBlock method.
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He asked about root and you guys are talking about unlocking, I'm confused.
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He asked about root and you guys are talking about unlocking, I'm confused.
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Cuz you have to be unlocked to root. Unlocking is step one before you can do anything.
An update locked the bootloader? Thanks for this, I'll not be going to vz to get this phone. Now I'm wondering if the update that the Google bought phone gets when a vz sim is inserted (what I've read) will do the same?
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An update locked the bootloader? Thanks for this, I'll not be going to vz to get this phone. Now I'm wondering if the update that the Google bought phone gets when a vz sim is inserted (what I've read) will do the same?
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If you find one in stock it shouldn't have the update since it just came out last week. You can't remove sim and skip setup and don't connect to wifi. Then you can unlock before taking the OTA. That's what I did on my replacement pixel from best buy
Just to clarify, if you are already unlocked before taking the 7.1.1 update you will still be unlocked after update.
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Anyone know if it's possible to downgrade from 7.1.1 so I can run depixel8 and unlock the bootloader?
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Anyone know if it's possible to downgrade from 7.1.1 so I can run depixel8 and unlock the bootloader?
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I'm not Verizon but I have some experience and can tell you 100% no doubt that you're stuck if you're on the latest update from Verizon and do not have an unlocked bootloader.
There is no way to go back just to unlock the bootloader.
Sorry.
@CZ Eddie is right. No way to go back with a locked bootloader on a VZW phone running 7.1.1.
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I'm not Verizon but I have some experience and can tell you 100% no doubt that you're stuck if you're on the latest update from Verizon and do not have an unlocked bootloader.
There is no way to go back just to unlock the bootloader.
Sorry.
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Question for you sir, I have a Verizon Pixel XL with 7.1 build NDE63X.
My bootloader is UNLOCKED. My phone is notifying me that 7.1.1 update is available.
I just wanted confirmation that I can take this update without the risk of my bootloader re-locking?
Thanks in advance.
Sent from my Nexus 6 that thinks it's a Pixel XL
grinchyyy said:
Question for you sir, I have a Verizon Pixel XL with 7.1 build NDE63X.
My bootloader is UNLOCKED. My phone is notifying me that 7.1.1 update is available.
I just wanted confirmation that I can take this update without the risk of my bootloader re-locking?
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I'll defer this question to the more Verizon knowledgeable.
My suspicion is you're good to go but I'm only 70% sure about that.
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I'll defer this question to the more Verizon knowledgeable.
My suspicion is you're good to go but I'm only 70% sure about that.
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grinchyyy said:
Question for you sir, I have a Verizon Pixel XL with 7.1 build NDE63X.
My bootloader is UNLOCKED. My phone is notifying me that 7.1.1 update is available.
I just wanted confirmation that I can take this update without the risk of my bootloader re-locking?
Thanks in advance.
Sent from my Nexus 6 that thinks it's a Pixel XL
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It will not re-lock your bootloader. I'm on Verizon with the Verizon variant of the Pixel XL. I took the 7.1.1 update and my bootloader stayed unlocked.
grinchyyy said:
Question for you sir, I have a Verizon Pixel XL with 7.1 build NDE63X.
My bootloader is UNLOCKED. My phone is notifying me that 7.1.1 update is available.
I just wanted confirmation that I can take this update without the risk of my bootloader re-locking?
Thanks in advance.
Sent from my Nexus 6 that thinks it's a Pixel XL
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Updates can't lock your bootloader.
thecarp1975 said:
It will not re-lock your bootloader. I'm on Verizon with the Verizon variant of the Pixel XL. I took the 7.1.1 update and my bootloader stayed unlocked.
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Updates can't lock your bootloader.
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Thanks guys! Just wanted to be absolutely sure.
Sent from my Nexus 6 that thinks it's a Pixel XL
is it possible to for someone to dump 7.1.2 unlocked bootloader rom to install as a OTA update via ADB?
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is it possible to for someone to dump 7.1.2 unlocked bootloader rom to install as a OTA update via ADB?
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It's not necessarily impossible --nobody seems to have a 100% understanding of what the dual slots are doing on this phone. People who were on custom Roms and rooted have reported successfully taking a stock OTA update without boot looping their phones, although it did wipe out root and the custom recovery. But it's not a great idea to do it the way you suggest and basically hope you get lucky. You would be much better off unlocking the bootloader at least temporarily and flashing a full stock image from Google.
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is it possible to for someone to dump 7.1.2 unlocked bootloader rom to install as a OTA update via ADB?
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No, because you would not be able to properly sign the file you created so your phone would reject it. The whole Certificate signing thing is what I speak of, if the file isn't signed with a google cert the ota would fail.
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No, because you would not be able to properly sign the file you created so your phone would reject it. The whole Certificate signing thing is what I speak of, if the file isn't signed with a google cert the ota would fail.
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could it be signed using chainfires AVB?
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could it be signed using chainfires AVB?
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No, an ota has to be signed by google.
If you end up unlocking the bootloader of a Verizon pixel XL correctly using depixel8, couldn't you install the system.img provided by Google that will,when relocking the bootloader, revert you to the locked stock bootloader version of the pixel XL instead of going back to the Verizon based factory bootloader?
Maybe I am misunderstanding the issue? Can anyone clarify this?
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If you end up unlocking the bootloader of a Verizon pixel XL correctly using depixel8, couldn't you install the system.img provided by Google that will,when relocking the bootloader, revert you to the locked stock bootloader version of the pixel XL instead of going back to the Verizon based factory bootloader?
Maybe I am misunderstanding the issue? Can anyone clarify this?
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It's not that simple. 1st, if one's VZW device bootloader is unlocked using dePixel8, it will in all likelyhood remain unlocked in the future when flashing updates. 2nd, the bootloader.img file is identical between VZW and Google Store versions. It appears that there is something hardcoded in the IMEI on VZW devices that identifies them, then the bootloader software becomes "unlockable" when it sees that flag.
Repeating old ground, dePixel8 works on devices that are on 7.1. But the exploit has been patched by Google on 7.1.1 (December update).
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It's not that simple. 1st, if one's VZW device bootloader is unlocked using dePixel8, it will in all likelyhood remain unlocked in the future when flashing updates. 2nd, the bootloader.img file is identical between VZW and Google Store versions. It appears that there is something hardcoded in the IMEI on VZW devices that identifies them, then the bootloader software becomes "unlockable" when it sees that flag.
Repeating old ground, dePixel8 works on devices that are on 7.1. But the exploit has been patched by Google on 7.1.1 (December update).
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It's the Cid. Verizon models have the Verizon Cid. I think it's like VZW001
toknitup420 said:
It's the Cid. Verizon models have the Verizon Cid. I think it's like VZW001
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Pretty sure it's not the cid. If I recall right most of all this has been covered in this long thread over in the Guides & News section. Where I recall reading at least one person that was able to confirm that it isn't the CID alone, if at all.
Thanks guys.. it makes my decision easier not to buy the VZW version easier. The deal they have is good, but not worth my time if I can't unlock it like the Google version.
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Thanks guys.. it makes my decision easier not to buy the VZW version easier. The deal they have is good, but not worth my time if I can't unlock it like the Google version.
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If you hurry up and get one soon it won't be on 7.1.1 yet. Probably not till the end of January will they actually ship with it. They won't unbox phones to install the update. People are still getting them now with 7.1
I much prefer not to have to deal with that BS and wait for price decreases for the Google store version or through other means.
Hi All,
I got a bestbuy/verizon pixel xl and am unable to unlock my bootloader to install TWRP and Root my pixel
So, while i was searching for methods to root without unlocking bootloader, i found articles on rooting without TWRP. Is this method still supported on 7.1.2 and Verizon set pixel?
tornado6 said:
Hi All,
I got a bestbuy/verizon pixel xl and am unable to unlock my bootloader to install TWRP and Root my pixel
So, while i was searching for methods to root without unlocking bootloader, i found articles on rooting without TWRP. Is this method still supported on 7.1.2 and Verizon set pixel?
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You can not root it unless you unlock the bootloader. It has always been that way.
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Hi All,
I got a bestbuy/verizon pixel xl and am unable to unlock my bootloader to install TWRP and Root my pixel
So, while i was searching for methods to root without unlocking bootloader, i found articles on rooting without TWRP. Is this method still supported on 7.1.2 and Verizon set pixel?
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I got a new one from Google but mine came from Google warehouse in Carol Illinois it's on October update tho so I can unlock mine if you ever get replacement device that's where it's coming from
Badazzmenc said:
I got a new one from Google but mine came from Google warehouse in Carol Illinois it's on October update tho so I can unlock mine if you ever get replacement device that's where it's coming from
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If yours is a Google version then it doesn't matter what update you are on, it will still be unlockable.
How do you know what version you have? I got my phone from Verizon but there is no bloat or Verizon anything on it. Could I possibly have a variant that can be unlocked?
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lowvolt1 said:
How do you know what version you have? I got my phone from Verizon but there is no bloat or Verizon anything on it. Could I possibly have a variant that can be unlocked?
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Simple, go to Setting/About phone, and tab the Build number text 5 times. Go back to Setting and select Developer options. If the OEM unlocking option is grayed out, it's a Verizon Pixel/XL, if you can toggle the slidder on and off, it's a Google Pixel/XL and can be bootloader unlocked anytime you want, regardless of update.
Seeing as how you purchased it directly from Verizon, I'm fairly certain it's a Verizon Pixel/XL. Any phone purchased directly from Google's Online Store, will always have the option to unlock their bootloader whenever they want.
Thank you. Unfortunately it is gray.
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Thank you. Unfortunately it is gray.
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What version of Android are you on. If it's on 7.1 still then you can still unlock.