hey guys,
i am planning to buy a new phone, i am confused between the Oneplus 3T and Nubia Z11
they are priced the same in India
i kinda like the design of the Nubia Z11 and the fact that it has bezel less display and IR sensor.
But i dont know if the phone has hardware/software issues.
Hows your experience so far with the phone?
Is it worth considering this phone?
thanks in advance!
Evil Eye said:
hey guys,
i am planning to buy a new phone, i am confused between the Oneplus 3T and Nubia Z11
they are priced the same in India
i kinda like the design of the Nubia Z11 and the fact that it has bezel less display and IR sensor.
But i dont know if the phone has hardware/software issues.
Hows your experience so far with the phone?
Is it worth considering this phone?
thanks in advance!
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Both of them are great phones but I would choose nubia because of IPS screen, i have bad experience with AMOLED.
The main issues are the NFC (completely not working) and quick charge (international ROM-only 2 Amps input).
I have Nubia Z11. Hardware difference is almost not important for these 2 models. At least for me. Because they are both powerful devices. I do not have any hardware issue. I don't know if Oneplus get andrid 7 update but as i know Nubia is not going to have soon. Both phone has nice UI with practical gestures. One plus has better fast charge performance, but fast charge shortens the life of the battery.
If i were you i would choose Z11 because of it's design, camere without a bump and bezelless screen.
I tested my nubia Z11 with quickcharge 2.0 charger. Phone has 1.54 latest Chinese rom. Unfortunately phone does not get quick charge. It takes only 5V 1.45 A. So Nubia Z11 doesn't support real quickcharge. I asked to Nubia about this. I'll post the answer here.
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TeslaTR said:
I tested my nubia Z11 with quickcharge 2.0 charger. Phone has 1.54 latest Chinese rom. Unfortunately phone does not get quick charge. It takes only 5V 1.45 A. So Nubia Z11 doesn't support real quickcharge. I asked to Nubia about this. I'll post the answer here.
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5V 1.45A is for basic, non quick charge charges.
I have replied to you post in root/xposed thread. Quick charge is supported, but it is very limited to only 9 W of charging power. Some values: 9V 1A (ZTE QC2.0 charger), 6.2V 1.49A (nubia original charger), 6V 1.6A (LeEco QC3.0. 24 W charger).
Tested on two International Z11's with v1. 15 rom.
Tested with keweisi charger doctor.
I had 9V 1.5A on my previous device ZTE AXON Elite on all chargers.
thanks for the suggestion guys @martas.vavra @TeslaTR
i bought the Nubia Z11 and it got delivered today by Amazon India
i had a query, how fast does your phone charge with the stock charger? mine is charging at a speed of 30% per hour with display off and utorrent active in the background. is it the same for you guys? does background downloading slow down the charging speed?
how fast does your phone charge to full?
thanks in advance!
Evil Eye said:
thanks for the suggestion guys @martas.vavra @TeslaTR
i bought the Nubia Z11 and it got delivered today by Amazon India
i had a query, how fast does your phone charge with the stock charger? mine is charging at a speed of 30% per hour with display off and utorrent active in the background. is it the same for you guys? does background downloading slow down the charging speed?
how fast does your phone charge to full?
thanks in advance!
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Mine - 30 min charging 20 % - 52 %
Keep you phone cold while charging. Also download app 3c battery monitor to measure charging current.
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martas.vavra said:
Mine - 30 min charging 20 % - 52 %
Keep you phone cold while charging. Also download app 3c battery monitor to measure charging current.
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Okay i will try that and report back. Also i would like to know how good is the frequency of updates by Nubia, be it big or small updates?
Thanks.
Evil Eye said:
Okay i will try that and report back. Also i would like to know how good is the frequency of updates by Nubia, be it big or small updates?
Thanks.
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I think that it is like one update per month.
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TeslaTR said:
I tested my nubia Z11 with quickcharge 2.0 charger. Phone has 1.54 latest Chinese rom. Unfortunately phone does not get quick charge. It takes only 5V 1.45 A. So Nubia Z11 doesn't support real quickcharge. I asked to Nubia about this. I'll post the answer here.
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Did nubia reply to your charging time query?
Yes, they replied. As the fact that my voltage test device doesn't support fast charge. I bought a new one. I'll test with it when it comes.
This is the reply of Nubia:
"Hi,
Christmas grettings!!
Please kindly know the following points.
1) The quick charge won't activate when the power is shotage or over 90%.
2) Please dial *#8604# command and enter Charger test, notice that USB_HVDCP_3(QC3.0), USB_HVDCP(QC2.0), USB_DCP(quick charge doesn't activate)
3) The way you are using to test quick charge figure is not accurate(a circuit is connected in series), moreover, what decide the speed of charging is the input power of battery rather than output power of charger.
In summary, please recognize if the quick charge of your phone is activate through point 2).
Best regards"
I charged my phone with quickcharge 2.0 device and saw the USB_HVDCP(QC2.0) in test mode.
@Evil Eye
TeslaTR said:
Yes, they replied. As the fact that my voltage test device doesn't support fast charge. I bought a new one. I'll test with it when it comes.
This is the reply of Nubia:
"Hi,
Christmas grettings!!
Please kindly know the following points.
1) The quick charge won't activate when the power is shotage or over 90%.
2) Please dial *#8604# command and enter Charger test, notice that USB_HVDCP_3(QC3.0), USB_HVDCP(QC2.0), USB_DCP(quick charge doesn't activate)
3) The way you are using to test quick charge figure is not accurate(a circuit is connected in series), moreover, what decide the speed of charging is the input power of battery rather than output power of charger.
In summary, please recognize if the quick charge of your phone is activate through point 2).
Best regards"
I charged my phone with quickcharge 2.0 device and saw the USB_HVDCP(QC2.0) in test mode.
@Evil Eye
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I don't actually understand the 2nd point mate.
Do they mean to say USB_HVDCP_3(QC3.0) will show "acitve" when connected with QC 3.0 charger?
Evil Eye said:
I don't actually understand the 2nd point mate.
Do they mean to say USB_HVDCP_3(QC3.0) will show "acitve" when connected with QC 3.0 charger?
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Yes. If you see USB_HVDCP_3 this means device is charging with QC3 that moment. You can easily try it.
Hey, I'm interested in getting a nubia z11, anybody know a good place to get one, preferably in EU?
which rom?
I just ordered my Nubia Z11 from aliexpress. I've always used android stock rom via cyanogenmod so using a skinned rom will be new for me.
How is the international Nubia Z11 stockrom? What features would I lose/gain by installing LineageOS or Resurrection remix instead of the Nubia rom?
Im trying to get used to not have xposed installed so a feature packed rom would be a benefit.
Thanks for your tips.
tuffno said:
I just ordered my Nubia Z11 from aliexpress. I've always used android stock rom via cyanogenmod so using a skinned rom will be new for me.
How is the international Nubia Z11 stockrom? What features would I lose/gain by installing LineageOS or Resurrection remix instead of the Nubia rom?
Im trying to get used to not have xposed installed so a feature packed rom would be a benefit.
Thanks for your tips.
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International Stock rom is very feature rich. You would lose the edge gestures i suppose in lineage or on other roms like RR.
This is one of the best looking phones (black - gold) in the world, but it`s more good looking than actually good. Especially the camera is an absolute mess: It sucks despite all the hype they made about it, and it sucks really bad. It needs PERFECT conditions to deliver a decent shot, otherwise you will almost always get an ugly mess. Either it won`t focus (forget point and shoot with this one), and even when it focuses, the edges up to almost half the picture will be blurry. Also, there`s tons of noise even in daylight and HDR shots are sometimes not properly denoised at all. Speaking about HDR: It will almost always give your pic a strong purple tint. If you think you can fix everything with the manual mode - not with this one: Shoot in manual and the photo will often lack almost all the colour. Even the Z9 which also had that blurred edge problem had a much better overall camera than this one.
Than we have: Weak mobile internet signal, no notifications at all in 1.56 (china) and 1.20 (international), lags in the 6gb version (strangely not in the 4gb) and many other annoying things. I`ve had the Z9 a year ago and it had exactly the same problems which are still not fixed, despite all the useless updates they throw out every 15 - 30 days. Than i had the 4gb Z11 in october and sold it mainly because of the camera. Now i found the 6gb very cheap (370€) and thought i`ll give it another try, but they didn`t fix anything and they probably won`t. I will not buy a Nubia device ever again. For that money, you can easily get a better phone than this.
tysoncrypto said:
This is one of the best looking phones (black - gold) in the world, but it`s more good looking than actually good. Especially the camera is an absolute mess: It sucks despite all the hype they made about it, and it sucks really bad. It needs PERFECT conditions to deliver a decent shot, otherwise you will almost always get an ugly mess. Either it won`t focus (forget point and shoot with this one), and even when it focuses, the edges up to almost half the picture will be blurry. Also, there`s tons of noise even in daylight and HDR shots are sometimes not properly denoised at all. Speaking about HDR: It will almost always give your pic a strong purple tint. If you think you can fix everything with the manual mode - not with this one: Shoot in manual and the photo will often lack almost all the colour. Even the Z9 which also had that blurred edge problem had a much better overall camera than this one.
Than we have: Weak mobile internet signal, no notifications at all in 1.56 (china) and 1.20 (international), lags in the 6gb version (strangely not in the 4gb) and many other annoying things. I`ve had the Z9 a year ago and it had exactly the same problems which are still not fixed, despite all the useless updates they throw out every 15 - 30 days. Than i had the 4gb Z11 in october and sold it mainly because of the camera. Now i found the 6gb very cheap (370€) and thought i`ll give it another try, but they didn`t fix anything and they probably won`t. I will not buy a Nubia device ever again. For that money, you can easily get a better phone than this.
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Interesting, I don't really care that much about the camera, I just like the way it looks.
Mind telling me where you found the 6gb nubia for 370?
tysoncrypto said:
This is one of the best looking phones (black - gold) in the world, but it`s more good looking than actually good. Especially the camera is an absolute mess: It sucks despite all the hype they made about it, and it sucks really bad. It needs PERFECT conditions to deliver a decent shot, otherwise you will almost always get an ugly mess. Either it won`t focus (forget point and shoot with this one), and even when it focuses, the edges up to almost half the picture will be blurry. Also, there`s tons of noise even in daylight and HDR shots are sometimes not properly denoised at all. Speaking about HDR: It will almost always give your pic a strong purple tint. If you think you can fix everything with the manual mode - not with this one: Shoot in manual and the photo will often lack almost all the colour. Even the Z9 which also had that blurred edge problem had a much better overall camera than this one.
Than we have: Weak mobile internet signal, no notifications at all in 1.56 (china) and 1.20 (international), lags in the 6gb version (strangely not in the 4gb) and many other annoying things. I`ve had the Z9 a year ago and it had exactly the same problems which are still not fixed, despite all the useless updates they throw out every 15 - 30 days. Than i had the 4gb Z11 in october and sold it mainly because of the camera. Now i found the 6gb very cheap (370€) and thought i`ll give it another try, but they didn`t fix anything and they probably won`t. I will not buy a Nubia device ever again. For that money, you can easily get a better phone than this.
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chrys1989 said:
Interesting, I don't really care that much about the camera, I just like the way it looks.
Mind telling me where you found the 6gb nubia for 370?
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I was lucky to find one that is just 3 weeks old from a private seller.
Hey mate, I have a question but I cant find anywhere to post so I go here and ask. What is your experience Z11 when using this as your daily phone. Have you ever had any problems? And could you please give me some Pros and Cons about this phone? Thanks and have a nice day!
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I could not find this tablet mentioned anywhere on XDA, so I've decided to create this thread for sharing impressions and useful information between owners and anyone interested.
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Manufacturer's page:
http://www.teclast.com/en/zt/x983g/
Specifications:
CPU: Intel Bay Trail-T 3735D 64bit, 22nm, 1.3(turbo 1.83)GHz
RAM: 2GB (DDR3L)
ROM: 32GB eMMC Flash
Display: 9.7 inch IPS 2048x1536
Camera: 2MP front / 5MP back (AF)
Radio: 802.11b/g/n, GSM+WCDMA, GPS, BT 4.0, WiDi
Connectivity: mkHDMI, mkUSB/OTG, mkSDXC
Battery: 8500mAh
MSRP: 1299CNY (approximately $210US).
First impressions
Fast, responsive, light, crisp and bright
Several Chinese apps. Some of them installing other Chinese apps. (removed/disabled, except for tUI and TeclastAutoUpdater)
No Apps drawer. no widgets - Apple-like UI. (Apex Launcher installed)
Overall feeling of money well spent
Current problems
I've found two things that I don't like about the tablet:
First, the speakers. I can't complain about sound - there's some bass, highs are clear, overall quality is good. But it eludes me why would someone place two speakers on the same side?
Second, and hopefully, temporary one, is the battery meter. From 0% it goes to 100% in about 20 minutes (BTW, the tablet pulls 2A out of the bundled PSU), says "charging 100%", for few hours more the current is still 2A, then 1.5A for some time, then 1A (somewhere here its starts to say "Charged"), and after 8 hours, when the current was 0.2A, I've disconnected the cord. "Bleep! Connect the charger! 10%" After an hour of use, I turned it of, then on... 77%! Went down to 8% after an hour more, then to 7% in another hour... :silly: A firmware update is definitely needed here. BTW, in 2 days I own the thing, I've had 2 updates, so the manufacturer's developers are doing something.
--- Update 2014-08-01
I've got the POWER!
The bad news are - (1) technical support does not answer emails, at least in my experience.. Probably because of language difficulties, maybe they have some other reasons. (2) replacement batteries are hard to find - on ali express I found only one seller who claims his batteries are 12Ah. The good news is - I did not need all of that. Finally, I've decided to open the thing up and check all accessible connection points.
Disassembly
You'll need a sharp tool (there are special plastic tools, but I used regular small knife to start, and a plastic one from ikea to widen and crack on the initial opening). Back cover is snapped on over the screen base on small latches, and all you need to do is slit the groove that goes around the screen a little, then go on unlatching until it comes apart. The groove is just around the screen, between two plastic parts, not around the metal cover.
All I needed to do was tracking the battery wire, lifting black tape, and re-plugging the wire in its place. Full battery power is now restored. Feeling are mixed -- or ?
thanks for review
I have been looking to buy this tablet, where did you buy it from?
Thanks
garryweil said:
I have been looking to buy this tablet, where did you buy it from?
Thanks
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I bought mine from Aliexpress.com, from a seller with 3 diamond rating. Probably there are other places, but so far the price is slightly above the MSRP.
Thanks for the review
avich said:
I could not find this tablet mentioned anywhere on XDA, so I've decided to create this thread for sharing impressions and useful information between owners and anyone interested.
Specifications:
CPU: Intel Bay Trail-T 3735D 64bit, 22nm, 1.3(turbo 1.83)GHz
RAM: 2GB (DDR3L)
ROM: 32GB eMMC Flash
Display: 9.7 inch IPS 2048x1536
Camera: 2MP front / 5MP back (AF)
Radio: 802.11b/g/n, GSM+WCDMA, GPS, BT 4.0, WiDi
Connectivity: mkHDMI, mkUSB/OTG, mkSDXC
Battery: 8500mAh
MSRP: 1299CNY (approximately $210US).
First impressions
Fast, responsive, light, crisp and bright
Several Chinese apps. Some of them installing other Chinese apps. (removed/disabled, except for tUI and TeclastAutoUpdater)
No Apps drawer. no widgets - Apple-like UI. (Apex Launcher installed)
Overall feeling of money well spent
Current problems
I've found two things that I don't like about the tablet:
First, the speakers. I can't complain about sound - there's some bass, highs are clear, overall quality is good. But it eludes me why would someone place two speakers on the same side?
Second, and hopefully, temporary one, is the battery meter. From 0% it goes to 100% in about 20 minutes (BTW, the tablet pulls 2A out of the bundled PSU), says "charging 100%", for few hours more the current is still 2A, then 1.5A for some time, then 1A (somewhere here its starts to say "Charged"), and after 8 hours, when the current was 0.2A, I've disconnected the cord. "Bleep! Connect the charger! 10%" After an hour of use, I turned it of, then on... 77%! Went down to 8% after an hour more, then to 7% in another hour... :silly: A firmware update is definitely needed here. BTW, in 2 days I own the thing, I've had 2 updates, so the manufacturer's developers are doing something.
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Thanks so much for the review. I have been looking at this tablet and decided to purchase. I ordered from Ali express I think from the same seller you did (qh store) when I get it I'll let you know if I have the same battery issues.
sensors??
Hi, Im considering about this tablet but there is a small question that I wanna know before purchasing which is how many sensors this device has, does it has e compass and gyroscope as well as gravity sensors? Would you mind checking it for me?
Thanks in advance!
lala206 said:
Hi, Im considering about this tablet but there is a small question that I wanna know before purchasing which is how many sensors this device has, does it has e compass and gyroscope as well as gravity sensors? Would you mind checking it for me?
Thanks in advance!
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I am attaching AnTuTu test results, the last one says there is no G-Sensor, or compass, only Acceleration and Light sensors. However my seller indicated that there is gravity sensor, so there is a possibility (I hope) that it will appear after some magical firmware update.
tPad
They call it a tPad as a takeoff of the iPad I have had mine now for almost 3 weeks with very little trouble. I have not noticed the battery thing but I will keep an eye out for it. Yeah a bit strange about the speakers but what are you going to do. I have had 2 updates so far also. You can get Windows 8.1 on it now but it is a bit of a pain from what I can see to install from the factory website and doing a Google translate. Here is the link for the x98 forum. http://bbs.teclast.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=48 I think there is a new way to install Windows coming on the 15th. For the money ( I paid 1149 RMB-about $185 USD on Taobao when it first came out) I think you can't beat it. Great speed, great screen, 3G and I think it will be able to dual boot soon. Hope they get 4.4 on it soon
Hdmi
I'm looking for a tablet and this gives me good vibes HDMI its important for mi could somebody guarantee me that if this tablet has this port?
And another question, when W8.1 comes up officially, does it has a dual boot or we can only use an OS?
Nice review!
jhnchristopher said:
Thanks so much for the review. I have been looking at this tablet and decided to purchase. I ordered from Ali express I think from the same seller you did (qh store) when I get it I'll let you know if I have the same battery issues.
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Thanks for a lovely review :good: I too found this tablet absolutely fast and smooth but with few glitches as you mentioned like akward speaker positioning and battery drainage. Battery issues will be fixed soon hopefully. I used VRoot chinese version to root. Waiting for windows 8.1 update!
anyone who have this tablet can tell me about glass? is there some kind of protection like gorilla glass etc, or is easily to scretch it like Onda V975m? Im choosing my tablet now, but dont wanna waste my money..
thank you
avich said:
I am attaching AnTuTu test results, the last one says there is no G-Sensor, or compass, only Acceleration and Light sensors. However my seller indicated that there is gravity sensor, so there is a possibility (I hope) that it will appear after some magical firmware update.
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Thank you very much! Finally, it lacks so many sensors. Im a bit disappointed, but actually maybe I still go for it because of Windown 8.1 full
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anyone who have this tablet can tell me about glass? is there some kind of protection like gorilla glass etc, or is easily to scretch it like Onda V975m?
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No scratches so far. But sorry, I could not make myself scratch the screen with a piece of metal deliberately.
do google apps work?
Can anyone confirm If Google apps work? Google maps {turn by turn directions}, contact sync and other apps? Thanks in advance.
Hi guys!! I'm thinking of replacing my V975M for this the teclast X98... What do you guys think? What is Antutu X score for this one? Not Antutu... Where to buy it? Thanks!
where is the above product local service center ? it is a china product ?
eteles said:
Hi guys!! I'm thinking of replacing my V975M for this the teclast X98... What do you guys think? What is Antutu X score for this one? Not Antutu... Where to buy it? Thanks!
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If you dont need GPS & 3G
Best Choice is Onda V975I
Becuse Onda is The best company in firmware support
For example Huawei Never released any new Firmware For MediaPad 10 FHD ( good hardware )
But
Onda every month release New version of android for their product
.
rasoooli said:
If you dont need GPS & 3G
Best Choice is Onda V975I
Becuse Onda is The best company in firmware support
For example Huawei Never released any new Firmware For MediaPad 10 FHD ( good hardware )
But
Onda every month release New version of android for their product .
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Dude, I have the Onda V975M and let me tell you something about Onda... Their firmware SUCK... It's so much bugged that they have to release several updates... But the worse thing is that the bugs keep coming back every other update and you feel that nothing has really improved...
Another thing is that they are liers... They cheat at Antutu... They claim the CPU runs at 2.0Ghz (for the V975M) but the frequency is NEVER used by the system, except for cheating at Antutu benchmark...
They don't release source code, so you can't unlock the frequencies on kernel or have code modification for building better custom roms, or for the community to fix their mess...
The only reason they release so many updates is that they launch the product so early that their first ROMs leave the tab quite unusable, with system lag, rebooting, WiFi and sd card disconnection when tab sleeps... having to reboot tab to reconnect WiFi every time it sleeps and much more terrible bugs...
Not to mention the update procedure, that has 50% chance of hard bricking your tab... another thing: it doesn't have download mode and Sd card booting doesn't work after bricking...
QQQ
hi i want to buy this tablet but i have several question can any one help me if he have this tablet or know this question ?
1- can you tell me How long does it take the battery use on wifi and 3g connect with 50%brightness ?
2-can you tell me How long does it take the battery use on 3d gaming ?
3-can you tell m eHow long does it take the battery use on play back fhd movies ?
***How long does it take to fully charge the batteries?
4-whats your observation about battery life in this tablet ?
5-can i make a gsm phone call with tablet(2g) ?
6-can you tell me problems do you have with tablet (cons)?
7-do you recommend i will buying this tablet ?
thank you very much if you will answer my question
I found a review that said that this processor is not compatible with many 3d games, and wouldn't load 4 of 10 3d games that they tried. Can any of you that own this tablet confirm or refute this?
harpdoc said:
I found a review that said that this processor is not compatible with many 3d games, and wouldn't load 4 of 10 3d games that they tried. Can any of you that own this tablet confirm or refute this?
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That is very likely true for the moment - many games come with binary optimized code for ARMv7 32-bit architecture, while this one is Intel x64 and just started to appear on low-cost devices. But I would expect things to get (much) better in a few months. I also think there might be a possibility that gaming could be a lot better with some games under the (extra-cost) Windows OS.
I'm sure most of you on this forum have heard of Android Wear (if you haven't, it's Google's operating system for wearables), so I won't go too in depth about the software and it's functionality (although for the entirety of my review period I've used the latest 4.4W.1 software revision, which I installed straight out of the box).
This review is about all the good, bad, and the ugly of the Moto 360.
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Now, when Motorola first announced this watch almost six months ago, I was one of the first to board the hype train. After wearing and using one at Google I/O, I moved to first class. And as soon as we heard of the TI OMAP 3 SoC inside, I climbed out the window and bailed.
If it isn't already obvious, I downright dreaded the prospect of four year-old silicon running my $250 smartwatch.
But we all know Motorola's pulled off impressive feats with low-specced hardware in the past (Moto G, 1st Gen Moto X), so when my free unit for being a Google I/O attendee came I figured I'd give it a shot.
When you first see this watch, you'll immediately notice the display. With the Gorilla Glass 3s beveled edges, punchy colors, and surprisingly good viewing angles, it gives a great first (and lasting) impression.
My only complaints here are the extremely low resolution (text is huge and noticeably pixelated), and how the bevel causes the parts of some notifications to distort when viewed on an angle (albeit only with watch faces that have 'large' notification cards such as Google's 'Simple').
But then there's that "flat tire effect" on the bottom. But I'll be honest with you, I actually prefer this to a fully round display.
I find Google now cards look infinitely better with a straight line on the top and bottom, rather than in a semicircle:
Image credit: Mashable.com
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As you can see, most of the space taken up by the bezel on the Moto watch is just blank white on the G Watch R. Hence is why I like Moto's approach here.
Now, onto battery life. Unfortunately, it's a real rough spot for this smartwatch. And that's not saying much, because I like to charge it every night. It keeps it a routine, makes a nice alarm clock, and it's almost easier to place it in the magnetic dock (that uses Qi inductive charging, mind you) than on the table next to it.
And while I may be fine placing my watch on a charger each night, I'm not OK with worrying about the battery life before that time comes. With my G Watch, I can go a 20+ hour day without even breaching 30%.
But this thing can't last a 16 hour day. Even a with light use (on Auto Brightness), just three or four notifications, and little interaction otherwise (no Google Now, either). After about 11 or 12 hours, it begins its automatic shutdown.
And that was with Ambient Mode on.
Oh, but a little something on Ambient Mode first. Every single review I've seen has gotten this wrong.
Ambient Mode does NOT keep the display on all the time.
What it does, is it makes the watch come on in it's dimmed state with less motion than it takes for a full activation (pay attention to the angle of the watch screen in the pictures below. It shows the minimum amount of movement required to change from black to dimmed to active.)
(It's a little dark, but the screen is flat and not tilted to the side like the others)
While you can get significantly improved battery life (2-3x better) turning Ambient Mode off, it's no use to me to have a watch that doesn't tell me the time all the time. My LG G watch, on the other hand, gets better battery life with its screen on 24/7 than the Moto does with the screen off. That's a real shame.
However, if the abysmal battery life wasn't enough of a downfall, the horrendous performance just adds insult to injury.
"Horrendous" may be too strong of a word. But only half the time. Half the time I tap the screen when it's off, and it doesn't wake up. Half the time when I rotate it all the way, the screen stays dim. Half the time when I scroll, it drops about half the frames. And half the time when I say "OK Google", it just sits there, and the rest of the bus stares at me like I have three heads (which is strange since Motorola has bragged about their superior voice technology and including two microphones).
Inconsistency is something you'll experience quite often while using the Moto 360—you never know if it'll work perfectly... Or freeze.
If I had to guess, I'd say the performance hiccups are from throttling. While the device is off, it undoubtedly lowers CPU+GPU clock speeds to save power, and it may just take a couple seconds once awoken to ramp back up again. Hopefully these issues (amongst others) can be addressed in a future software update.
Well fortunately, that's most of the bad stuff. The rest is almost purely positive.
The stainless steel construction feels great, the leather strap is high-quality, and even on my miniscule wrists the Moto 360 fits like a glove. The gold trim around the sleep/wake button (that can also open settings if held) shows how much attention to detail Motorola took in designing this watch.
Lastly, the heartrate sensor is pretty cool. It tends to take a long time if activated on demand, but it does a good job of measuring how much "active time" (with a heart rate between 100 and 120 beats per minute) I've had in a day, and alerting me when I've completed the daily 30 minutes (although I'd really like to be able to change the heartrate window and time amount, as I usually meet this preset goal by noon).
So now it's conclusion time, and I have pretty mixed feelings about the Moto 360. But I think Ron Amadeo from Ars Technical got it right by calling it "Beautiful outside, ugly inside".
It's an astounding piece of hardware, but the lackluster internals hold it back from the true glory I feel it deserves.
While hopefully battery life and performance can be (at least partially) addressed in future updates, I think I'd have to wait until the 2nd generation to wholeheartedly recommend this watch to anyone.
If you wear watches solely as a fashion statement, work short days, or are fine with the screen off, this is the best smartwatch you can buy.
But if you aren't part of that niche, I feel you'd be better with the ($70 cheaper) LG G Watch.
You've likely realized by now that I've drawn numerous comparisons to LG's first Android Wear offering. I've been using mine every day since I got it at Google I/O, and it's straight up more polished than the 360. Everything works, all the time. No muss, no fuss, as they say.
With smartwatches, I don't just want another gadget to mess around with. I want something that will simplify my life. In its current stage, the Moto 360 does the opposite.
All things considered, I have to give the Motorola Moto 360 a solid 80%, mostly because that beautiful screen just doesn't make a difference when it's dead.
It's the age-old question of form over function, and it's up to you what matters most.
Feel free to contact @SolarTrans on Twitter with questions, comments, or criticisms!
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Nice photos.
I've read a number of forums discussing the battery life. Almost every single forum comes to the conclusion that the battery life improves and stabilizes after about 4-5 days. Can you tell me how many days you wore the watch before writing this review?
OP
Thank you for climbing inside of my brain and stealing all of my thoughts to write this review. It saved me a ton of time! I highly doubt the battery life can be improved upon drastically with software updates so I think I have to return this one. What a shame. Ick I may actually have to go back to a gear live and its horrible charging cradle....
The clear difference with this watch is the Qi charging. It completely outweighs the battery issues in my opinion. But, I agree faster is much better.
As stated elsewhere it might be better to have an even thinner watch with even smaller battery since the ability to Qi charge and OTG quick charge is possible. But, since the watch is *new* we have not (yet) seen innovative OTG Qi quick charge accessories.
Good review.
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The clear difference with this watch is the Qi charging. It completely outweighs the battery issues in my opinion. But, I agree faster is much better.
As stated elsewhere it might be better to have an even thinner watch with even smaller battery since the ability to Qi charge and OTG quick charge is possible. But, since the watch is *new* we have not (yet) seen innovative OTG Qi quick charge accessories.
Good review.
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We shouldn't have to charge the watch but once a day, overnight and thats it. I'm not carrying around a second charger just to keep my watch going. The gear 2 I had lasted 48 hours with extremely heavy use. The gear live with a screen that never turned off (only dimmed), last 24 hours with some to spare, with very heavy use. I don't need it to last a week. I need it to last ONE DAY. The fact that motorola let this device out of the gates blows my mind.
Great review, obviously the internals was a bad choice, but after using for days my 360, it wont be going back. The watch looks good, its lightweight, doesn't have a great battery, but the qi charging and how fast it charges makes me forget the battery life. I have a qi charging at work, and the other at home.
I think the problem its people expected too much of first version of the device from moto and a it to be a flawless one, early adopters always are the beta testers for products.
TabGuy said:
Nice photos.
I've read a number of forums discussing the battery life. Almost every single forum comes to the conclusion that the battery life improves and stabilizes after about 4-5 days. Can you tell me how many days you wore the watch before writing this review?
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I'd used it for about a week before writing this review
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2fastkuztoms said:
Great review, obviously the internals was a bad choice, but after using for days my 360, it wont be going back. The watch looks good, its lightweight, doesn't have a great battery, but the qi charging and how fast it charges makes me forget the battery life. I have a qi charging at work, and the other at home.
I think the problem its people expected too much of first version of the device from moto and a it to be a flawless one, early adopters always are the beta testers for products.
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I would argue the Moto 360 shouldn't have been a 'beta' device. The G Watch and Gear Live were. Motorola waited an extra 3 months to release theirs to smooth out bugs and optimize it, but when it's buggier, slower, and has worse battery life than the real 'beta' devices I have to wonder what Moto was doing all that time.
And about the Qi thing: I didn't mention it in the review mainly because I forgot it even was a feature XD. I never once thought "Oh cool, this has Qi". I'm definitely not planning to use any third party chargers, and I'm guessing most others who buy this will just stick with the dock that it shipped with as well.
It's kinda cool, but I find LG's implementation with the G Watch just as good if not better, but then again I never lose stuff like charging docks
Also, I (along with a majority of Android users) don't have any other Qi devices, and even though I could add the functionality to my G3 if I wanted to it just charges larger capacity devices too slow for my tastes.
I'm not trying to hate on Qi, only I don't quite get all the hype/praise about wireless charging in a watch when 99% of people are just gonna use the dock it came with.
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I would argue the Moto 360 shouldn't have been a 'beta' device. The G Watch and Gear Live were. Motorola waited an extra 3 months to release theirs to smooth out bugs and optimize it, but when it's buggier, slower, and has worse battery life than the real 'beta' devices I have to wonder what Moto was doing all that time.
And about the Qi thing: I didn't mention it in the review mainly because I forgot it even was a feature XD. I never once thought "Oh cool, this has Qi". I'm definitely not planning to use any third party chargers, and I'm guessing most others who buy this will just stick with the dock that it shipped with as well.
It's kinda cool, but I find LG's implementation with the G Watch just as good if not better, but then again I never lose stuff like charging docks
Also, I (along with a majority of Android users) don't have any other Qi devices, and even though I could add the functionality to my G3 if I wanted to it just charges larger capacity devices too slow for my tastes.
I'm not trying to hate on Qi, only I don't quite get all the hype/praise about wireless charging in a watch when 99% of people are just gonna use the dock it came with.
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I know motorola did bad, but a this moment like you title said, i prefer form over function. I am techaholic and when i saw in my hand the g watch i hated it, i dont want to feel that i have a smartphone on my wrist.
I understand that for you qi charging isnt great and i know isnt a feature, for me its another story, after using it on my nexus 5, i ordered the qi back for the g3, because I missed it, i hate plugin in and out usb cables, even more using cheap ones that doesnt last, apple nail it with lightning connector but thats another story. I work 8-9 hours and having slow charge at desk doesnt bother and for me qi charging its a bonus vs propietary connectors.
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I would argue the Moto 360 shouldn't have been a 'beta' device. The G Watch and Gear Live were. Motorola waited an extra 3 months to release theirs to smooth out bugs and optimize it, but when it's buggier, slower, and has worse battery life than the real 'beta' devices I have to wonder what Moto was doing all that time.
And about the Qi thing: I didn't mention it in the review mainly because I forgot it even was a feature XD. I never once thought "Oh cool, this has Qi". I'm definitely not planning to use any third party chargers, and I'm guessing most others who buy this will just stick with the dock that it shipped with as well.
It's kinda cool, but I find LG's implementation with the G Watch just as good if not better, but then again I never lose stuff like charging docks
Also, I (along with a majority of Android users) don't have any other Qi devices, and even though I could add the functionality to my G3 if I wanted to it just charges larger capacity devices too slow for my tastes.
I'm not trying to hate on Qi, only I don't quite get all the hype/praise about wireless charging in a watch when 99% of people are just gonna use the dock it came with.
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Just like 99% of ChromeCast users are not going to use the mirroring feature. But, I use CC mirroring almost every day. I guess that is why I liked your review - more about value from the typical user's perspective.
Yet, Qi on the Moto 360 is inexpensive ($15 small chargers already) and the Qi technology is expanding to portable external battery power/recharger units. I think innovation on Qi quick chargers could be very helpful to wearable technology.
Again, good review, especially the comments about beta quality device stuff.
Edited to mention Qi support.
Thanks for the reminder guys!
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Wireless charging is cool, but hardly a deal maker, lol. It's not like I've ever been too lazy to connect something to a charger!
Also, it provides the USB connection necessary to send large amounts of data to the watch (custom roms?), which may be a problem for the 360...
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Nice photos.
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Thanks! They were taken on my G3 haha
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slaydog said:
Wireless charging is cool, but hardly a deal maker, lol. It's not like I've ever been too lazy to connect something to a charger!
Also, it provides the USB connection necessary to send large amounts of data to the watch (custom roms?), which may be a problem for the 360...
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No, but most of us have Qi chargers on our desk, night stand and I even have one in my car. I have a 7,000 mah battery that's about the size of my Note 3 that has a built-in Qi charger. They're everywhere.
If you have a watch with a proprietary charger you only have one charger. I don't know of any of the other smart watches where you can buy an extra charger. So far, the Moto 360 is the only one.
To me that's a big deal.
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No, but most of us have Qi chargers on our desk, night stand and I even have one in my car. I have a 7,000 mah battery that's smaller than my Note 3 that has a built-in Qi charger. They're everywhere.
If you have a watch with a proprietary charger you only have one charger. I don't know of any of the other smart watches where you can buy an extra charger. So far, the Moto 360 is the only one.
To me that's a big deal.
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Good point... That would have been helpful, as I brought my stock charger to work a couple of times and accidentally left it there. I actually had to turn my car around once because it was a Friday, lol
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No, but most of us have Qi chargers on our desk, night stand and I even have one in my car. I have a 7,000 mah battery that's about the size of my Note 3 that has a built-in Qi charger. They're everywhere.
If you have a watch with a proprietary charger you only have one charger. I don't know of any of the other smart watches where you can buy an extra charger. So far, the Moto 360 is the only one.
To me that's a big deal.
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You can get an extra charger from the Play Store for the G Watch.
It's true though, if you charge your devices in multiple locations it's nice.
But IMO we really should only have to charge our watches when we go to sleep.
At least the G Watch and Gear Live can do that
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I wrote my LG G Watch vs Moto 360 comparison at the bottom of my thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-360/general/moto-360-compared-to-lg-g-watch-t2874806
And I completely agree with you on everything, except the voice recognition. My LG G Watch would sit there sometimes and not understand what I said, or it would just take a long time before it showed what I said. With the Moto 360 I've been able to talk to it even in noisy situations and the text appears almost instantly.
But I said the same exact thing how I think the CPU is underclocked until you touch the screen, then you notice the laggy animations for half a second before the CPU ramps up. Pretty annoying. But a gen 2 will definitely fix all the flaws on this device, and updates to this gen may even fix most of them.
SolarTrans said:
Thanks! They were taken on my G3 haha
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That explains it all. Great camera module and that laser thingie comes always handy.
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Cr4z33 said:
That explains it all. Great camera module and that laser thingie comes always handy.
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This is true haha
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play2lose said:
I wrote my LG G Watch vs Moto 360 comparison at the bottom of my thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-360/general/moto-360-compared-to-lg-g-watch-t2874806
And I completely agree with you on everything, except the voice recognition. My LG G Watch would sit there sometimes and not understand what I said, or it would just take a long time before it showed what I said. With the Moto 360 I've been able to talk to it even in noisy situations and the text appears almost instantly.
But I said the same exact thing how I think the CPU is underclocked until you touch the screen, then you notice the laggy animations for half a second before the CPU ramps up. Pretty annoying. But a gen 2 will definitely fix all the flaws on this device, and updates to this gen may even fix most of them.
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Yeah it's been the opposite for me. Unless I wait for the CPU to ramp up, the 360 rarely hears me correctly.
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so i am curious ... share your expeience thus far with the zenfone2 as well as tell us what do you guys hate most about it?
i just picked up a new shiny zenfone 2, the 4G/32G model, Z00A/ZE551ML model for $270.
of course right off the bat i unlocked the bootloader, rooted it, and installed TWRP. after which i put on a custom ROM ... i am still messing between BlissPop and Resurrection-Remix. Both are based on Cyanogenmod and are great with customization options. especially the fact that i can change my DPI to 400 and everything looks so beautiful. if you change to one of them make sure you pick a DARK theme. Darker themes charge the battery less.
So now what do i hate about my phone?
Well, this is a tough one. Its nice that we have top of the line hardware and such however the CPU being an Atom/x86 maybe our loved/hated part. ya its quick but the device gets hot quite often.
Then we have a minor issue that i am hating. I wish the capacitive buttons were on-screen instead of being static as they are now. The line separator between the screen and the buttons also tends to pickup dirt quite frequently and you have dirt stuck there.
I also dislike the curvy back although it makes it easy to hold it is not flat when put on a table ...
please share....
I hate camera battery and the design
My hates for this phone (ZE551ML Z00A 4GB/64GB Z3580)
On stock software:
SMS issues, workarounds are unacceptable to me
Still Android 5.0.0
On CM based ROMS:
Bluetooth audio lag and random failures until restart
Hardware:
Camera is useless in anything but bright sunlight.
Power save controls could be more fine-grained.
cylent said:
so i am curious ... share your expeience thus far with the zenfone2 as well as tell us what do you guys hate most about it?
i just picked up a new shiny zenfone 2, the 4G/32G model, Z00A/ZE551ML model for $270.
of course right off the bat i unlocked the bootloader, rooted it, and installed TWRP. after which i put on a custom ROM ... i am still messing between BlissPop and Resurrection-Remix. Both are based on Cyanogenmod and are great with customization options. especially the fact that i can change my DPI to 400 and everything looks so beautiful. if you change to one of them make sure you pick a DARK theme. Darker themes charge the battery less.
So now what do i hate about my phone?
Well, this is a tough one. Its nice that we have top of the line hardware and such however the CPU being an Atom/x86 maybe our loved/hated part. ya its quick but the device gets hot quite often.
Then we have a minor issue that i am hating. I wish the capacitive buttons were on-screen instead of being static as they are now. The line separator between the screen and the buttons also tends to pickup dirt quite frequently and you have dirt stuck there.
I also dislike the curvy back although it makes it easy to hold it is not flat when put on a table ...
please share....
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You can enable on screen buttons. Check in the themes and apps section.
Some cases make the back of the phone flat, check on eBay for those.
cnsngr said:
I hate camera battery and the design
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to be honest i never understand why people rely on the camera in a phone. i never have. i take it for what it is. crap. if it is a good camera then great. if not then oh well.
cmendonc2 said:
You can enable on screen buttons. Check in the themes and apps section.
Some cases make the back of the phone flat, check on eBay for those.
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i dont want to enable them. i know how to do so. it would take up screen space that is needed. its not like this is a 7" inch screen. ...
cylent said:
to be honest i never understand why people rely on the camera in a phone. i never have. i take it for what it is. crap. if it is a good camera then great. if not then oh well.
i dont want to enable them. i know how to do so. it would take up screen space that is needed. its not like this is a 7" inch screen. ...
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what should i rely on taking pictures in my daily life should i buy an dslr instead and use it daily and keep it where ever i go of course people gonna rely on phones for taking pictures, they can fix it and they can start with raw support
cylent said:
to be honest i never understand why people rely on the camera in a phone. i never have. i take it for what it is. crap. if it is a good camera then great. if not then oh well.
i dont want to enable them. i know how to do so. it would take up screen space that is needed. its not like this is a 7" inch screen. ...
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No, its a 5.5" screen the same size as my Note Edge... If it had on screen buttons then they would take up the same real estate that they would on my edge if I wanted them...
Don't know how you can whinge about not having them then saying it would take up prime real real estate on the screen when every other 5.5" screen phone that has these onscreen keys is the same size screen...
cnsngr said:
what should i rely on taking pictures in my daily life should i buy an dslr instead and use it daily and keep it where ever i go of course people gonna rely on phones for taking pictures, they can fix it and they can start with raw support
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i think you're missing the part where it says "Smartphone" not "Smartcamera".
This is primarily a phone with a camera added to it.
if you really want a phone with a good camera you can try the Samsung Galaxy Camera 2
cylent said:
i think you're missing the part where it says "Smartphone" not "Smartcamera".
This is primarily a phone with a camera added to it.
if you really want a phone with a good camera you can try the Samsung Galaxy Camera 2
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Im not missing any part mate, it is a bad camera and i rely on my phone for taking pictures in my daily life its not that hard, im not expecting dslr quality ofc, but i dont white that noisy white dots to
cnsngr said:
what should i rely on taking pictures in my daily life should i buy an dslr instead and use it daily and keep it where ever i go of course people gonna rely on phones for taking pictures, they can fix it and they can start with raw support
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Tips for Taking a Fashion Shot - ZenFone | ASUS
To be honest for the most part I've enjoyed using this phone. I have the 4GB RAM/32GB internal storage North American model and it's been decent so far. I came from a Nexus 4 that I had for about 2.5 years and switched to this phone when it came out in North America in late May. I don't mod a lot, I've only rooted (so I can run stuff like Adaway, Cerberus Anti-Theft, and Xposed Framework) and that's it. I've considered unlocking my bootloader to get a permanent custom recovery (which I did with the Nexus 4) but I can live with a tethered recovery (just so I can flash a zip when needed) if I wanna be able to have an OTA update without issue. Yes, I know you can just flash new firmware updates without just waiting for an OTA update but I'd rather just let the OTA hit.
As others have said, the camera is kinda crappy but I don't really take a lot of photos in general so it's not a big deal breaker for me. Yes there's a lot of bloatware but I've just disabled stuff I don't use either via settings or a 3rd party app. The phone is a tad bit on the heavy side but that's just minor griping. The regular firmware updates have been nice though I'm still waiting for them to push Android version 5.1 even (though they have at least confirmed Marshmallow for the Zenfone2 so that's a good sign).
cylent said:
Tips for Taking a Fashion Shot - ZenFone | ASUS
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Well that 20 second video helped me very well thank you so much its awesome now
great phone
but bad battery life :crying:
horrible battery
I hate missing backlight back/menu/central buttons... And missing support of USB 3&HDMI&h265/HEVC hardware video codec acceleration for decoding/encoding.
If ASUS resolve it on Zenfone 3, he will be mine ! (Except if a equivalent smartphone upcoming with physical Keyboard)
Want this keyboard on Zenfone !!! :
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
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Or better :
Well... Missing accessory, so native hardware... Dreaming.
you get what you pay for.
i paid $270 dollars for the 32G/3GigRam unit.
you can always use onscreen navigation bar ...
Battery life & screen not bright enough under sunlight (using lux light app helped cranking up the brightness a bit more). Oh, and I HATE where they placed the speaker!
I almost pulled the trigger on a galaxy note 5 dual sim this past weekend, but I've decided to wait a bit and see what's coming in the next few months, the note 5 is missing too many features.
Camera seems fine, I've taking some very nice pictures using manual settings, but I hated this phone when I was in Orlando while shooting video in the afternoon where it was hot outside (late October). The phone kept on recording at a very low framerate and it didn't even save the videos for some reason.
I'd say the things I hate about this device are the small details.
The fact that the led has only 3 colors and cannot be customized;
The horrible audio jack (even for a smartphone standard);
Battery life is an issue, but can be fixed (Project T kernel was a life saver in stock kernel, still looking what I can do in CM based ROMs);
The compatibility issues we have due to the x86 architecture.
I do love this phone, but sometimes these things really annoy me.
After coming from a Xiaomi mi3w I just have to say so far this phone is pretty amazing. I don't ever use the camera so the camera is better than I need it to be for the few times I use it a year. The battery problems I see everybody complaining about baffles me as I own 3 mid range priced phones and this 1 has close to the best battery life with similar usage.
Xiaomi mi3w: 4-5 hrs sot with 1 day uptime
2nd most expensive device
ASUS ZenFone 2: 5.5-6 hrs sot with 1 day uptime
cheapest device
oneplus two: 5.5-6.5 hrs sot with 1 day uptime
most expensive device
The things that annoy me are
1. Asus has poor rom development for keeping you updated.
2. Horrible place to put a speaker.
3. Hardware keys can not be swapped and I'm use to my back button on the right and my menu button I the left.
4. You can't reassign functions to the hardware keys. They should also be backlit.
5. They don't use any type of hotplug to unplug cores with 0 zero load to save to power.
6. Glitches in their keyboard while typing sometimes taking me back to previous paragraphs or the last typed words if I try and correct a mistake made earlier. Just a buggy keyboard in general.
7. Micro stutters in certain apps like browser and tapatalk due to an inefficient kernel or os.
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I only hate the battery and the issue that you can´t change the sms ringhtone.
UMI Touch (Real Reviews/User Tests, Discussion) 5.5" FHD, Frontfingerprint Scanner
Hi guys, here's a thread for real user videos/tests/unboxings and discussion.
I suggest we keep alll kind of official UMI commerical, deals out of this thread. So no UMI created pictures or videos. Only real material from users!
Because there is a big difference from what is real and what is pure commercial. Not always these two things stick together....
Real Unboxing & First look at the UMI Touch
Quick Review / Extra tests
10 Pros & Cons about the UMI Touch, is it worth it?
More real UMI reviews/tests/unboxings/handson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpiO0HjeOjI (Chinamobilemag)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdlcqfNfz4s (Redskull)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVA-NXcIXc0 (mayiandjay)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OT86neHCqM (TechMagnet)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMhx34Mk1fI (Italian Language / Massimo G / megthebest)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32ZLIYQfAfY (Geek Love)
Camera samples:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bukdfcua10eok/UMI_Touch_Camera_Samples
TWRP 3.0.2 by jemmini
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66369781&postcount=68
Stagefright vulnerability:
No, tested at 17/4 2016 with v3.03-20160409
AnTuTu 6.0.1 score:
38050
Androbench Storage benchmark:
SEQ Read: 211 MB/s (that is fast)
Multitouch points:
5 points supported
Youtube app:
Can play videos in 1080p FHD
Sensors:
Gyroscope sensor: No reaction in sensorbox
Orientation sensor: No reaction in sensorbox
Accelerometer sensor: Yes, will work in games when you tilt the device
OTA Update released:
v3.03-20160409 (fixes the camera a bit, optimizes the fingerprint scanner, changes 21MP to 13MP in the settings).
Similar design?
Many say that the UMI Touch look like the Meizu M3 note or Meizu MX5. What do you think?
Other ROMS?
UMI have posted some pictures of the UMI Touch running Windows phone 10, but so far only pictures.
So until we see a real rom this is still unconfirmed.
How is the gaming performance?:
I would say in the middle, average. Not super but also not totally bad.
Video recording test by Massimo G (this with the old/first firmware!)
Official specifications:
- 5.5" 2.5D LCD screen, FHD 1920*1080 pixels
- MiraVision support
- MTK6753 1.3 GHz octa core
- Metall Unibody / CNC metal
- Touch buttons with backlight
- Smart wake & gestures
- Front fingerprint scanner
- Front LED flash
- Supports Touch ID (wake & unlock with 1 touch)
- 3GB of RAM + 16GB Rom
- 13MP Sony IMX main camera + 5MP front camera
- 4000mAh battery
- Android 6.0 system / OS
- Multilanguage & comes with Play Store
- Network: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz, WCDMA 900/2100 MHz, FDD-LTE B3/B7/B20
- Supports 2G & 3G & 4G LTE network
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Hi, did you get the device??? did you manage to root and flash new rom on this phone?
X61 said:
Here is another review of UMi Touch with lots of screenshots, benchmarks, display and audio tests, camera samples, etc:
http://www.devicespecifications.com/en/editor-review/865b6
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Thanks, that is a very comprehensive review!
PetaX8 said:
Hi, did you get the device??? did you manage to root and flash new rom on this phone?
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I don't think there are other ROMs out yet for the phone.
Did someone manage to get GravityBox working?
UPDATED:
Hi everybody,
Well It's been already a week with this device, so I think I have already some experience with it, so I can give some feedback:
Despite that the HW in this phone seems to be quite acceptable, there are some problems with the SW, which makes the user experience not as good as it should be. But I have to say that the telephone is perfectly usable for everyday use (at least for my use), the most common problems, are the one which are written here after:
1- The battery is named as 4000mAh, but I have to say that the battery is bad managed and it's not showing the expected life for this capacity. Yesterday the issue a new FOTA update V3.03-20160423, in which they promise to fix this. At the moment it shows some improvement, but I cannot say since I did not have time to really test it.
UPDATED: Well after some testing, it seems that it behaves even worse than before, unfortunately, check post 14:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66721589&postcount=14
2- The screen; well this is one of the bigger problems, they are appearing (to majority of users) some white stains in the screen; in the official web page they mentioned that it was caused by some defects in the screen manufacturing process and UMI said that screens were glued incorrectly but they also stated that they corrected this problem in the following batches of the UMI Touch and offered to be helping in the process for getting a replacement. But in my opinion, there are not completely transparent here, in the official forum they were constantly deleting the posts where this problem was mentioned; and for me it is very interesting that everybody who has this problem, they have the white spots in exactly the same place on the screen (burnt screen because of bad IC dissipation ? )
Anyway here under you have an example of the white dots:
3- The touch sensitivity is not good, sometimes for writing texts and so can be a bit annoying, but definitely they have to tune this too.
4- Attention there is NO Notification LED anyway there is some discussion about using the soft buttons as notification leds, let's see if UMI hears the users....
5- The WIFI, at the moment for me the wifi is quite unstable, the signal strength is quite poor if we compare with other devices, as for example Redmi2; I guess this is something they should continue improving by software.
6- The accessories included (the adapter and cable) are the worst quality ever, the cable it broke after the second time I plugged (literally ) , and the adapter I was afraid to use since it was reported for many Forum users that it started to smoke and stink until they stop working. At least one person in the Forum complained that after the incident something happen with his/her mobile. So better don't use the included adapter & cable!, better safe than sorry.
7- The camera should be good quality, but it showed some lag when capturing pictures, for example if capturing with HDR and there is some subject which was moving there will be "ghosts" in the picture. It suppose to be fixed from the yesterday's FOTA, but I did not try it yet.
8- There were some people also mentioning that the GPS was not accurate and so, from my experience from the last weekend, I have to say that it wasn't that bad, actually Google Maps was the only one not so accurate, I was using HERE and WAZE and no problem.
Conclusion: It seems to be good hardware phone, but they are a few problemsuntil they polish a bit more the software I would not recommend it to buy, it seems that they are in a good way for fixing the problems (they release quite often the FOTAs) but still I would give more time to see how UMI behaves..
I hope it is useful at least for anybody
Cheers
car.cuevas said:
Hi everybody,
Well It's already a week with this device, so I think I have already some experience with it, so I can give some feedback:
Despite that the HW in this phone seems to be quite acceptable, there are some problems with the SW, which makes the user experience not as good as it should be. But I have to say that the telephone is perfectly usable for everyday use (at least for my use), but there are a few problems which I am going to mention here:
1- The battery is named as 4000mAh, but I have to say that the battery is bad managed and it's not showing the expected life for this capacity. Yesterday the issue a new FOTA update V3.03-20160423, in which they promise to fix this. At the moment it shows some improvement, but I cannot say since I did not have time to really test it.
2- The screen; well this is one of the bigger problems, they are appearing (to majority of users) some white stains in the screen; in the official web page they are mentioned that it was caused by some defective in the manufacturing process of the screens and UMI stated that screens were glued incorrectly and also they stated that they corrected this problem in the following batches of the UMI Touch and offered to be helping in the process for getting a replacement. But in my opinion, there are not completely transparent here, in the official forum they were constantly deleting the posts where this problem was mentioned; and for me it is interesting than everybody who has this problem, it is in exactly the same place on the screen (burnt screen because of bad IC dissipation ? )
Anyway here under you have an example of the white dots:
3- The touch sensitivity is not good, sometimes for writing texts and so can be a bit annoying, but definitely they have to tune this too.
4- Attention there is NO Notification LED anyway there is some discussion about using the soft buttons as notification leds, let's see if UMI hears the users....
5- The WIFI, at the moment for me the wifi is quite unstable, the signal strength is quite poor if we compare with other devices, as for example Redmi2; I guess this is something they should continue improving by software.
6- The accessories included (the adapter and cable) are the worst quality ever, the cable it broke after the second time I plugged (literally ) , and the adapter I was afraid to use since it was reported for many Forum users that it started to smoke and stink until they stop working. At least one person in the Forum complained that after the incident something happen with his/her mobile. So better don't use the included adapter & cable!, better safe than sorry.
7- The camera should be good quality, but it showed some lag when capturing pictures, for example if capturing with HDR and there is some subject which was moving there will be "ghosts" in the picture. It suppose to be fixed from the yesterday's FOTA, but I did not try it yet.
8- There were some people also mentioning that the GPS was not accurate and so, from my experience from the last weekend, I have to say that it wasn't that bad, actually Google Maps was the only one not so accurate, I was using HERE and WAZE and no problem.
Conclusion: It seems to be good hardware phone, but they are a few problemsuntil they polish a bit more the software I would not recommend it to buy, it seems that they are in a good way for fixing the problems (they release quite often the FOTAs) but still I would give more time to see how UMI behaves..
I hope it is useful at least for anybody
Cheers
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1- With the new OTA update. I get about 2days of battery lifetime on regular usage. 4000 mah seems realistic to me.
2- I don't have any clouding, at least until now.
3- Agree.
4- Would be really nice. On the Elephone P8000, the menu led is also used as notification led. UMI make it happen...
7- I did not test HDR yet but I think the camera is quite ok. Not as good as in the Letv X600, even if it's the same sensor but better than the Elephone P8000, which sometimes was horrible to make photos with.
I have also checked mine for clouding but have none. Even if I set lowest or highest brightness, there are no white spots like the one I have seen from other users. Seems to be a bad batch out. But mine is a pretty early version, or I'm just lucky.
If the test says 3600mAh it can't get to 4000mAh even with software updates.
Walter H. said:
If the test says 3600mAh it can't get to 4000mAh even with software updates.
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Have you tested it yourself? 3600mah seems pretty low. Keep in mind that smartphone batteries always have a tolerance of about 300 mah.
Gerrit507 said:
Have you tested it yourself? 3600mah seems pretty low. Keep in mind that smartphone batteries always have a tolerance of about 300 mah.
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God help me, no.
S7yler tested it in his video and it gave him around 3600mAh, the 300mAh tolerance theory is BS imo.
Walter H. said:
God help me, no.
S7yler tested it in his video and it gave him around 3600mAh, the 300mAh tolerance theory is BS imo.
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Well, every battery is different... It doesn't mean yours is also 3600mah. And no the theory is not BS, it's just true or do you think theres a machine which is spitting out perfect batteries with exactly 4000 mah ?
Gerrit507 said:
Well, every battery is different... It doesn't mean yours is also 3600mah. And no the theory is not BS, it's just true or do you think theres a machine which is spitting out perfect batteries with exactly 4000 mah ?
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Well actually I did not test now the real capacity of the battery, but what I can say that the battery drain when the telephone is idle still there and even worse than before :S
Gerrit507 said:
Well, every battery is different... It doesn't mean yours is also 3600mah. And no the theory is not BS, it's just true or do you think theres a machine which is spitting out perfect batteries with exactly 4000 mah ?
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Is this a serious question? Of course yes, or do you think batteries are made of pasta? The machine takes same components and puts them together.
Said that, different values are possible, but not as much as you say, 100mAh tolerance would be acceptable but not more than that.
300mAh tolerance would be fine in a 10000mAh battery or more, but we're talking about 4000mAh and 300mAh is almost the 10%.
Even agreeing with the 300mAh tolerance, this battery is 400mAh less than declared!
Watch out this latest review guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K0_kEgwQUs
It's UMI Rome...
mukulsoni said:
Watch out this latest review guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K0_kEgwQUs
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Gerrit507 said:
It's UMI Rome...
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Man, what are you talking about? It's definitely an UMI Touch.
Anyone tried Xposed on this phone? The framework installs fine and even shows as active in the Installer but modules simply don't work, even when activated properly.
For example, GravityBox [MM] simply waits a few seconds for a response from the framework and then closes because no response was received. No other modules that I've tried work either.
Had read on the UMI forum that other people have had the same problem also.
Anyone manage to get it working? Even if we could just get GravityBox to work, I'd be over the moon with the phone.
White stains on the screen!!! And I read that there are a lot of customers complaining about this! Shameful, for a flagship phone!...
Sent from my UMI TOUCH using XDA-Developers mobile app
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Sent from my UMI TOUCH using XDA-Developers mobile app
car.cuevas said:
UPDATED:
Hi everybody,
Well It's been already a week with this device, so I think I have already some experience with it, so I can give some feedback:
Despite that the HW in this phone seems to be quite acceptable, there are some problems with the SW, which makes the user experience not as good as it should be. But I have to say that the telephone is perfectly usable for everyday use (at least for my use), the most common problems, are the one which are written here after:
1- The battery is named as 4000mAh, but I have to say that the battery is bad managed and it's not showing the expected life for this capacity. Yesterday the issue a new FOTA update V3.03-20160423, in which they promise to fix this. At the moment it shows some improvement, but I cannot say since I did not have time to really test it.
UPDATED: Well after some testing, it seems that it behaves even worse than before, unfortunately, check post 14:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66721589&postcount=14
2- The screen; well this is one of the bigger problems, they are appearing (to majority of users) some white stains in the screen; in the official web page they mentioned that it was caused by some defects in the screen manufacturing process and UMI said that screens were glued incorrectly but they also stated that they corrected this problem in the following batches of the UMI Touch and offered to be helping in the process for getting a replacement. But in my opinion, there are not completely transparent here, in the official forum they were constantly deleting the posts where this problem was mentioned; and for me it is very interesting that everybody who has this problem, they have the white spots in exactly the same place on the screen (burnt screen because of bad IC dissipation ? )
Anyway here under you have an example of the white dots:
3- The touch sensitivity is not good, sometimes for writing texts and so can be a bit annoying, but definitely they have to tune this too.
4- Attention there is NO Notification LED anyway there is some discussion about using the soft buttons as notification leds, let's see if UMI hears the users....
5- The WIFI, at the moment for me the wifi is quite unstable, the signal strength is quite poor if we compare with other devices, as for example Redmi2; I guess this is something they should continue improving by software.
6- The accessories included (the adapter and cable) are the worst quality ever, the cable it broke after the second time I plugged (literally ) , and the adapter I was afraid to use since it was reported for many Forum users that it started to smoke and stink until they stop working. At least one person in the Forum complained that after the incident something happen with his/her mobile. So better don't use the included adapter & cable!, better safe than sorry.
7- The camera should be good quality, but it showed some lag when capturing pictures, for example if capturing with HDR and there is some subject which was moving there will be "ghosts" in the picture. It suppose to be fixed from the yesterday's FOTA, but I did not try it yet.
8- There were some people also mentioning that the GPS was not accurate and so, from my experience from the last weekend, I have to say that it wasn't that bad, actually Google Maps was the only one not so accurate, I was using HERE and WAZE and no problem.
Conclusion: It seems to be good hardware phone, but they are a few problemsuntil they polish a bit more the software I would not recommend it to buy, it seems that they are in a good way for fixing the problems (they release quite often the FOTAs) but still I would give more time to see how UMI behaves..
I hope it is useful at least for anybody
Cheers
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Yes, there are some problems need to be improved by software, UMi still spending much time developing the ROMs for its new devices. They have release four FOTA, since they released the UMI Touch.
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luciousl said:
Is this a serious question? Of course yes, or do you think batteries are made of pasta? The machine takes same components and puts them together.
Said that, different values are possible, but not as much as you say, 100mAh tolerance would be acceptable but not more than that.
300mAh tolerance would be fine in a 10000mAh battery or more, but we're talking about 4000mAh and 300mAh is almost the 10%.
Even agreeing with the 300mAh tolerance, this battery is 400mAh less than declared!
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I can use my phone at least two days, I think that's enough for me.
Hi,
in this thread we can talk about new model from Oukitel, it is about K6000 Pro. Most important is that they have put much greater attention to the quality of the phone, also it has much more powerful hardware than the previous model like 3GB of RAM. but certainly the most important feature is the high capacity battery with 6000 mAh capacity.
Design
Hands-on & Review
Mod Edit by @Darth : Video link promoting blog with selling site links removed. No more please!
Specifications:
- 3GB RAM / 32GB ROM
- 5.5 inch 2.5D LTPS - Full HD - Dragontrail 2 glass protection
- MediaTek MT6753 CPU
- Mali-T720 MP3 GPU
- Android OS, v6
- Battery 6000 mAh
- 13.0MP camera
- 2G: GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz
- 3G: WCDMA 900/2100MHz
- 4G: 800/900/1800/2100/2600MHz
- metal case
CPU-Z
Antutu and Geekbench score
Battery life
It supports fast charging with 9V charger.
50% to 100% = 1401 mAh
50% = 1401 x 2 = 2802 mAh
1% = 56,04 mAh
100% = 5604 mAh real capacity
Camera photo samples
GPS Test
What do you think about Oukitel K6000 PRO ?
Thank you
Hello !
I ve got it (3 days), a bit better than classic k6000 but, disappointed with wifi draining battery bug ...
Not sure it has ota update...
Not si happy for now (given classic to m'y wife but i'll take it back, maybe...)
microb62 said:
Hello !
I ve got it (3 days), a bit better than classic k6000 but, disappointed with wifi draining battery bug ...
Not sure it has ota update...
Not si happy for now (given classic to m'y wife but i'll take it back, maybe...)
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Hi,
for now I did not get any updates. but I think soon we can expect
Review
Review moved here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=67419113&postcount=73
Please continue this K6000 Pro discussion here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/gen.../oukitel-battery-beasts-k6000-k10000-t3279075
This thread will be abandoned.
very good.. at least 8/10 hours of screen on time with heavy use!
My Unboxing & First Look (Italian Language comment)
In Cons i can add:
- No backlighted soft touch keys
- No 64 bit Android version
- Usb connector is a bit deeper inside tge frame, so standard cables couldn't works well with quick charge or data transfer
- No Compass and No Gyro
[emoji106]
nice reviews people
Camera has a very poor perfomance. Rom is 32 bits (seems a port of 5.1 K6000 rom).
I have mine for two weeks.
I think that K6000 'original' runs better.
mine arrived yesterday: great build overall but as first impression it becomes really hot when you try to play at games
Camera color shift
Hi, please, I would like to ask you shortly. Camera on my Oukitel K6000 Pro has some kind of issue. As well as on my Bluboo Xtouch, it shows some color deviation aroud the borders of taken image. At specific circumstances in the middle, there is the circle which looks to represent colors correctly and outside of that circle the color is shifted to blue. Both phones behaves the same. In some cases its not that visible, in some its dramatic. Im not sure whether its fault of some picture profiles/scene profiles, or its fault of optical elements. .
Then, the display color is pretty cold. It would deserve some correction. Can I somehow tweak it? Calibrate it to look more natural. Or can you suggest some color correction app with low battery drain?
Otherwise I am very satisfied and pleased by the phone. Really balanced in allways, well constructed phone.
Thank you for help guys.
Mike
I have just figured out that there is an earlier K6000 Pro thread on XDA, so please use that one instead: http://forum.xda-developers.com/gen.../oukitel-battery-beasts-k6000-k10000-t3279075
@Lt_Columbo_87 @megthebest @X61 : if possible, please move your review on that other thread, so that this thread can be closed and all information merged in a single, and complete, thread. Thank you
sim card holder tray for aukitel k6000pro
Hi..Anybody ..can you help me. maybe you know where I can get sim card holder tray for aukitel k6000pro? or maybe you have this stuff for k6000pro in your shop link? I'm so desperate, I'm looking for this from 3 days ago but i get nothing
ahahahxxx said:
Hi..Anybody ..can you help me. maybe you know where I can get sim card holder tray for aukitel k6000pro? or maybe you have this stuff for k6000pro in your shop link? I'm so desperate, I'm looking for this from 3 days ago but i get nothing
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You can buy them from Aliexpress. :good:
I have used K6000 Pro too, but it seems that the camera is not working well when the flash is on, is this happens on any other people too?
microb62 said:
Hello !
I ve got it (3 days), a bit better than classic k6000 but, disappointed with wifi draining battery bug ...
Not sure it has ota update...
Not si happy for now (given classic to m'y wife but i'll take it back, maybe...)
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Have you fixed the wifi bug? I am on the latest rom and noted the wifi was always running. The issue is with background scanning. If you have background scanning on and turn wifi off, wifi never actually stops running. All you need to do is disable background scanning on the wifi page and you will be good to go.
low score
the score from Antutu is too low, looks like the performace will not good. Just hear that bluboo release a new phone Maya max, which looks great, and im looking forward to try it.
One question
Anybody can please tell me if long pressing the home butto bnrings to google now and if the function "now on tap" works?
Thanks
How to show open apps in oukitel k6000 pro?
Hi guys,
I just purchased this phone and it actually blew away my expectations with such low price and all nice features incl huge battery. Pokemon Go apps known to drain battery pretty fast but this phone can hold it very well. I don't need to charge for entire day.
Now to the issue. My old phone is Samsung Galaxy S4. Now if I wish to switch from apps to apps just like tab button in laptop/PC, I simply press home button for 2 seconds and it will show all open apps. I simply choose the apps I want to jump to and walla! it opened. Now the same result can't be achieved with Oukitel K6000 pro. Pressing home button longer simply bring me to google search.
Question is how to show open apps and switch between opened apps in this phone? Do we have luxury in setting the function of buttons to our liking?
Thanks in advance!
Cheers,
Ricky
rsetyawan100 said:
Hi guys,
I just purchased this phone and it actually blew away my expectations with such low price and all nice features incl huge battery. Pokemon Go apps known to drain battery pretty fast but this phone can hold it very well. I don't need to charge for entire day.
Now to the issue. My old phone is Samsung Galaxy S4. Now if I wish to switch from apps to apps just like tab button in laptop/PC, I simply press home button for 2 seconds and it will show all open apps. I simply choose the apps I want to jump to and walla! it opened. Now the same result can't be achieved with Oukitel K6000 pro. Pressing home button longer simply bring me to google search.
Question is how to show open apps and switch between opened apps in this phone? Do we have luxury in setting the function of buttons to our liking?
Thanks in advance!
Cheers,
Ricky
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Hi, maybe your battery is faulty, I can play real racing 3 for hours and the battery not consumes big amount.
To switch app to app you have to long press the left buttom
problem
Hi, I have inserted the USB cable to connect to the PC, but there is no connection. Can you tell me how the exchange of data between the computer and oukitel 6000 pro
thank you