Are there any important difference between NOF26V and NDE63P updates? Any advantages or disadvantages between the two?
I have a Verizon Pixel XL that arrived about a week ago. It came with NDE63P. I immediately enabled developer options and disabled automatic system updates. I have not yet decided if I am going to unlock the bootloader, and I am not asking for advice on whether or not I should. I am trying to keep my options open. I like to keep things simple, which is why I like the Nexus and Pixel phones. Taking an OTA is much easier than sideloading an update. But there are still good reasons to unlock/root.
I am still weighing my options. I don't feel any need to rush right now.
I've read of people having bluetooth or battery issues, none of which I am experiencing right now on NDE63P. Until I make a decision, is there anything other than current security updates that NOF26V fixes or breaks?
Thanks!
Here is a great big disadvantage to taking it as your device sits now. Any ota you take before unlocking the bootloader renders it un-unlockable. So, theres your choice. Unlock and take any otas you want and maintain the ability to customize or not, or, leave it locked, take an ota, and no more choices. You decide.
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wyrdtrtle said:
Here is a great big disadvantage to taking it as your device sits now. Any ota you take before unlocking the bootloader renders it un-unlockable. So, theres your choice. Unlock and take any otas you want and maintain the ability to customize or not, or, leave it locked, take an ota, and no more choices. You decide.
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I am completely aware of that. That is why I disabled automatic system updates, so I can make this decision after I have had a chance to use the device and decide what changes, if any, I want to make. I am just trying to make an informed decision on my own.
Are there any key differences, pros or cons, between NDE63P and the current NOF26V?
stm8 said:
I am completely aware of that. That is why I disabled automatic system updates, so I can make this decision after I have had a chance to use the device and decide what changes, if any, I want to make. I am just trying to make an informed decision on my own.
Are there any key differences, pros or cons, between NDE63P and the current NOF26V?
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Many people have disabled the updates but then it mysteriously updates itself and then cry for an unlock, so we are warning you is all. The difference between the 2 is mainly security updates but they did add a few features, like waking the phone can't remember exactly what. Some small tweaks and fixes too. There's change logs somewhere.
jjayzx said:
Many people have disabled the updates but then it mysteriously updates itself and then cry for an unlock, so we are warning you is all. The difference between the 2 is mainly security updates but they did add a few features, like waking the phone can't remember exactly what. Some small tweaks and fixes too. There's change logs somewhere.
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Thanks. I have read about the mystery updates happening despite disabling automatic updates.
I'll review the change logs, but Google doesn't usually list their "bugs" in the change logs...
The Bluetooth issues seem the typical phantom Android issues that come and go. There are the emoji and long press shortcuts that come with 7.1.1. That is about it, not much has changed.
So I don't think you need to update any time soon.
stm8 said:
I am still weighing my options. I don't feel any need to rush right now.
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Weighing your options? You have 2 options, unlock or don't unlock. What's the dilemma? Ok, so here ya go. 50% say unlock and the other 50% say stay locked. Solved?
bobby janow said:
Weighing your options? You have 2 options, unlock or don't unlock. What's the dilemma? Ok, so here ya go. 50% say unlock and the other 50% say stay locked. Solved?
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I am not asking advice about whether or not to unlock, just the differences/bugs/upgrades between these updates.
TonikJDK said:
The Bluetooth issues seem the typical phantom Android issues that come and go. There are the emoji and long press shortcuts that come with 7.1.1. That is about it, not much has changed.
So I don't think you need to update any time soon.
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Thanks, I appreciate it. That's the kind of info I am looking for!
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I am not asking advice about whether or not to unlock, just the differences/bugs/upgrades between these updates.
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I understand that but you first need to decide if you're going to unlock or keep the bootloader locked. Because, at some point you "will" upgrade whether or not you are in a rush. I'm just not getting your dilemma. Google has resources which you can search that outline what has changed besides the security updates which you obviously should get. And as you know if you stay locked and update then you're stuck. So once again, your options are to lock or unlock not whether to update or not.
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The Bluetooth issues seem the typical phantom Android issues that come and go. There are the emoji and long press shortcuts that come with 7.1.1. That is about it, not much has changed.
So I don't think you need to update any time soon.
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Are you certain?
https://www.google.com/amp/www.gott...ruary-android-nougat-update-what-to-know/amp/
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bobby janow said:
Are you certain?
https://www.google.com/amp/www.gott...ruary-android-nougat-update-what-to-know/amp/
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I wasn't 100 percent sure until your link, thanks. From the article:
"From what we’re seeing and hearing the February Android 7.1.1 Nougat update doesn’t actually have any other changes. There are no new features, bug fixes, or performance tweaks. This is simply a security update, like we can expect to see at the beginning of each month."
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I wasn't 100 percent sure until your link, thanks. From the article:
"From what we’re seeing and hearing the February Android 7.1.1 Nougat update doesn’t actually have any other changes. There are no new features, bug fixes, or performance tweaks. This is simply a security update, like we can expect to see at the beginning of each month."
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The problem is that Google doesn't exactly advertise or even admit to any bugs introduced in their updates, whether it's firmware or applications.
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The problem is that Google doesn't exactly advertise or even admit to any bugs introduced in their updates, whether it's firmware or applications.
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Very true, and Google doesn't disclose fixes much either. So all we can do is give the OP our opinion and experience. I have not seen any bugs fixed, or seen any introduced on my phone. So if he wants to wait while he decides on unlocking i dont think he is missing much. I stand by my advice.
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Very true, and Google doesn't disclose fixes much either. So all we can do is give the OP our opinion and experience. I have not seen any bugs fixed, or seen any introduced on my phone. So if he wants to wait while he decides on unlocking i dont think he is missing much. I stand by my advice.
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But you selectively left out the important part.
Overall we spotted 35 changes to the February Nougat release. At least according to Google’s security blog and change log. That said, eight of them were considered “critical” and needed to be addressed right away.
It's ridiculous to wait. There are bug fixes, You just need to search for them. Personally I don't care what he does, but then he is taking a security chance. I think your advice is wrong. His choice.
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New update for me to install. I downloaded it, but haven't installed it yet.
I'm in the US on the Sprint network. Showed the August 2017 security update. I can't remember if there were other fixes or updates. It was only 168mb.
Just had it pop on mine in the last 5 minutes... On AT&T in North Dakota, already 50% though updating... I grabbed the url though: https://mobilesupport.lenovo.com/us/en/solution/MS122856
Moto G5 Plus - Maintenance Release Notes
INTRODUCTION
Motorola is excited to announce a new software update for Moto G5 Plus by Motorola. This update brings important improvements to your phone.
For more information on Motorola updates and repairs, visit us at www.motorola.com/mymotog.
NOTE: You cannot downgrade to a previous software version after installing this update.
ENHANCEMENTS
This update introduces changes including the following:
Android security: Includes the updates of Android security patches through 1 August 2017.
Stability improvements: Includes changes that fix bugs and improve the stability of your phone.
Calling updates: Enhancements to emergency calling functionality.
INSTRUCTIONS
For a successful installation, we recommend installing this update when the battery in your phone is at least 50% charged and you are connected to a Wi-Fi network.
If you have received a notification message for this update:
Select "Yes, I'm in".
After the software is downloaded, select "Install now".
After the software is installed, your phone will re-start automatically.
Your phone is now updated.
If you have not received a notification message for this update, follow the steps below to manually update your phone:
Select the Settings icon in the apps menu.
Select "About phone".
Select "System updates".
Select "Yes, I'm in". After the software is downloaded, select "Install now".
After the software is installed, your phone will re-start automatically.
Your phone is now updated.
Additional Information
If you have difficulty with this upgrade, visit us at www.motorola.com/mymotog.
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After boot system info for those interested...
acejavelin said:
After boot system info for those interested...
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Installing now myself.
Does Lenovo ever publish what the changes actually are? Hopefully some security updates.
androcraze said:
Installing now myself.
Does Lenovo ever publish what the changes actually are? Hopefully some security updates.
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Moto says the same as most other manufacturers... see the post or link above.
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Moto says the same as most other manufacturers... see the post or link above.
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Thanks. I've come over from the N5. We discussed my ROM at one point. How are you liking the G5+?
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Android security: Includes the updates of Android security patches through 1 August 2017.
Stability improvements: Includes changes that fix bugs and improve the stability of your phone.
Calling updates: Enhancements to emergency calling functionality.
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Thanks. I've come over from the N5. We discussed my ROM at one point. How are you liking the G5+?
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Android security: Includes the updates of Android security patches through 1 August 2017.
Stability improvements: Includes changes that fix bugs and improve the stability of your phone.
Calling updates: Enhancements to emergency calling functionality.
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Ahhh... I knew the name sounded familiar and it just clicked.
I like it a lot actually, battery life is amazing and that seems to be my major thing lately, most other things seem of less importance now days, but to be honest it has been a solid device going on 6 or 7 weeks now. It just works.
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Ahhh... I knew the name sounded familiar and it just clicked.
I like it a lot actually, battery life is amazing and that seems to be my major thing lately, most other things seem of less importance now days, but to be honest it has been a solid device going on 6 or 7 weeks now. It just works.
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I agree. I have no complaints, and the battery life is crazy compared to the N5. Four days compared to nightly charges.
It's a solid device right now, and appears to more than equal the N5.
I'm on factory for the time being. I may try rolling my own, but this is a different ecosystem than the Nexus world.
Anyone in india got that update??
Another update? UGH! I guess it is going to be like this from now on.... Repetitive updates...
Still on -35 and getting -35-5 announcements. Still haven't even updated to -35-5, -35-67 showed up, now -35-83?
Is it still rootable? Are there FULL FW's so I can upgrade or do I need to upgrade to -35 and let it update to -83? Do I need to be on -35-67 before the -35-83 is capable of being installed?
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Another update? UGH! I guess it is going to be like this from now on.... Repetitive updates...
Still on -35 and getting -35-5 announcements. Still haven't even updated to -35-5, -35-67 showed up, now -35-83?
Is it still rootable? Are there FULL FW's so I can upgrade or do I need to upgrade to -35 and let it update to -83? Do I need to be on -35-67 before the -35-83 is capable of being installed?
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You are the only person I know of that is complaining about Moto deploying too many updates. lol
BTW, if anyone is curious this only contains security updates as of August 1, 2017... It still shows as Vulnerable to the Blueborne vulnerability.
I'm on NPN25-137-67 XT1686 Indian Varient
I didn't got any update?
Can someone grab the update zip? I'm on Verizon and it doesn't show for me....
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You are the only person I know of that is complaining about Moto deploying too many updates. lol
BTW, if anyone is curious this only contains security updates as of August 1, 2017... It still shows as Vulnerable to the Blueborne vulnerability.
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Don't get me wrong, updates are great, but not if you are rooted and you have to go through a process to root then reconfigure the phone since it's not an OTA, you have to reflash a STOCK rom to allow OTA's, then you have to root (if possible, not sure if -83 is yet...) and then setup the phone the way you want it..
mikeyinid said:
Can someone grab the update zip? I'm on Verizon and it doesn't show for me....
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Same here,a update zip would be much appreciated. Thanks
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You are the only person I know of that is complaining about Moto deploying too many updates. lol
BTW, if anyone is curious this only contains security updates as of August 1, 2017... It still shows as Vulnerable to the Blueborne vulnerability.
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Huh... Why not wait and add the patch for BB? Odd... So the safest thing to do is to not even be using BlueTooth at all until it's patched? It's been 3 weeks right? 9-12 or was it 9-11 (what a coincidence)
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Huh... Why not wait and add the patch for BB? Odd... So the safest thing to do is to not even be using BlueTooth at all until it's patched? It's been 3 weeks right? 9-12 or was it 9-11 (what a coincidence)
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Well... that's debatable... Although this vulnerability is real, the chances of being effected by it are so remote in most cases is so infinitesimally small that changing your usage habits probably isn't necessary.
Why the August one, probably because that is when they had is scheduled and it was nearly complete when the Sept update came out so they decided to just finish and release it anyway, why let the work go to waste. For Moto it is usually a couple months behind anyway.
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Well... that's debatable... Although this vulnerability is real, the chances of being effected by it are so remote in most cases is so infinitesimally small that changing your usage habits probably isn't necessary.
Why the August one, probably because that is when they had is scheduled and it was nearly complete when the Sept update came out so they decided to just finish and release it anyway, why let the work go to waste. For Moto it is usually a couple months behind anyway.
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My bad, I went out of sync with time for a min. It's AUGUST security the one on this -83 (not SEPTEMBER) so I am guessing there is another update coming!
Did you root your -67 (if you have -67?) My bootloader is already unlocked, do you know if Moto will eventually lock this (maybe Google forcing them to any time soon?)
Moto devs can unlock bootloaders and phone has ugly start image but other than that it all works as intended. (BTW, I am using SuperSU and BusyBox on my -35, not the Magisk root - I use Wifi Tether Router and doesn't work with Magisk)
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My bad, I went out of sync with time for a min. It's AUGUST security the one on this -83 (not SEPTEMBER) so I am guessing there is another update coming!
Did you root your -67 (if you have -67?) My bootloader is already unlocked, do you know if Moto will eventually lock this (maybe Google forcing them to any time soon?)
Moto devs can unlock bootloaders and phone has ugly start image but other than that it all works as intended. (BTW, I am using SuperSU and BusyBox on my -35, not the Magisk root - I use Wifi Tether Router and doesn't work with Magisk)
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Another update coming? I suppose, but since we just got this one I don't expect it for 3-4 months and that puts it in the timeframe of Oreo so this might be our last update to Nougat.
As far as the bootloader thing goes, I don't see Moto stopping this or actively blocking rooting, nor do I see Google doing this either.
I don't unlock or root anymore, just don't see the benefits.
mikeyinid said:
Can someone grab the update zip? I'm on Verizon and it doesn't show for me....
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+1. I'm on 43-5, a Verizon-exclusive update, and am not seeing an OTA. Chances are it's incompatible with my version and I'll have to reflash -35 and get the OTA. I'd suggest anyone else having this issue does as well. I'll report back as soon as I flash.
Just curious if anyone has side loaded and is running Android P beta. And what's broken, etc.
I am.
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Just curious if anyone has side loaded and is running Android P beta. And what's broken, etc.
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yes.
https://developer.android.com/preview/release-notes.html
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yes.
https://developer.android.com/preview/release-notes.html
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Thanks for that. Figured since it was released through the beta program as an OTA there still might be early issues... "Slow and janky" clarified that. Doesn't seem there is anything too horrible that doesn't work.
In your opinion could this still be a daily driver? Of course that always depends on what your doing with your phone.
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Thanks for that. Figured since it was released through the beta program as an OTA there still might be early issues... "Slow and janky" clarified that. Doesn't seem there is anything too horrible that doesn't work.
In your opinion could this still be a daily driver? Of course that always depends on what your doing with your phone.
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Just flash it and try it, if you don't like it flash back to O
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Just flash it and try it, if you don't like it flash back to O
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Wouldn't I lose all my data? And past experience had showed me going backwards after major updates means restore doesn't work right...
letrain02 said:
Wouldn't I lose all my data? And past experience had showed me going backwards after major updates means restore doesn't work right...
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Than don't even worry about the "developer" release and keep on Oreo.
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Wouldn't I lose all my data? And past experience had showed me going backwards after major updates means restore doesn't work right...
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It's not an official release. You'd be fine going back to O. You'd have to clean flash O more than likely. So back up stuff for sure :good:
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It's not an official release. You'd be fine going back to O. You'd have to clean flash O more than likely. So back up stuff for sure :good:
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Just remembering my Nexus 6p and beta testing and trying to restore from Google backup wouldn't work..
Has anyone running it noticed the slow and janky-ness?
letrain02 said:
Just remembering my Nexus 6p and beta testing and trying to restore from Google backup wouldn't work..
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I understand bruh. Was just reading on another thread where a user apparently did just that though :good:
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I understand bruh. Was just reading on another thread where a user apparently did just that though :good:
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Sweet. Thanks for help everyone.
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Sweet. Thanks for help everyone.
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I'd still hold off for a little while until it's been done a couple times just to make sure though. Although, I can't think of why it can't be done since it's not an official release yet.
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Thanks for that. Figured since it was released through the beta program as an OTA there still might be early issues... "Slow and janky" clarified that. Doesn't seem there is anything too horrible that doesn't work.
In your opinion could this still be a daily driver? Of course that always depends on what your doing with your phone.
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So far havent found any show-stoppers. A few apps dont work. Google Pay is being weird about adding cards, though I have some added.
If you dont mind running into some bugs, then so far, it seems stable enough, but wont really know til after using it for a day.
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So far havent found any show-stoppers. A few apps dont work. Google Pay is being weird about adding cards, though I have some added.
If you dont mind running into some bugs, then so far, it seems stable enough, but wont really know til after using it for a day.
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you mind saying which apps? might not even apply to me. did you do the OTA or Factory image? i can't seem to find the OTA Android P, only the factory images on their site..i found a link from the XDA article for the OTA.
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you mind saying which apps? might not even apply to me. did you do the OTA or Factory image? i can't seem to find the OTA Android P, only the factory images on their site..i found a link from the XDA article for the OTA.
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so far the MyATT app crashes every open.
FiSwitch app, widget doesnt seem to work at all.
CustomNavigation bar app opens, but cannot be enabled due to Android version issue (also possible because Google seems to have gotten rid of system ui tuner altogether, or there is a new way you have to enable it that I havent found).
SolidExplorer gives a toast about API compatibility issue, but so far seems to work fine. I did have to delete and re-add cloud storage providers.
Off-hand, those are all I can think of, still have more to go through.
I installed factory images, did full wipe. In the past, when I have installed new OS with images, and deleted the -w (wipe user data flag) there were always issues, so I did clean install.
So far apps such as LightFlow, KWGT, CallFlash, things of that nature seem to be fine.
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So far havent found any show-stoppers. A few apps dont work. Google Pay is being weird about adding cards, though I have some added.
If you dont mind running into some bugs, then so far, it seems stable enough, but wont really know til after using it for a day.
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so far the MyATT app crashes every open.
FiSwitch app, widget doesnt seem to work at all.
CustomNavigation bar app opens, but cannot be enabled due to Android version issue (also possible because Google seems to have gotten rid of system ui tuner altogether, or there is a new way you have to enable it that I havent found).
SolidExplorer gives a toast about API compatibility issue, but so far seems to work fine. I did have to delete and re-add cloud storage providers.
Off-hand, those are all I can think of, still have more to go through.
I installed factory images, did full wipe. In the past, when I have installed new OS with images, and deleted the -w (wipe user data flag) there were always issues, so I did clean install.
So far apps such as LightFlow, KWGT, CallFlash, things of that nature seem to be fine.
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https://www.xda-developers.com/android-p-blocks-custom-overlays-substratum-themes/
Delete.
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Than don't even worry about the "developer" release and keep on Oreo.
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Why are people here so helpful?
here we go! did the OTA from the xda thread. article... whats the worst thing to happen? clean install and stability? thanks for the help anyone. hope this helped some others as well.. https://www.xda-developers.com/android-p-developer-preview-1-google-pixel-xl-pixel-2-xl/
Hi, i was wondering if its possible to port the face recognition option we used to have on older android versions as a mod on the pixel 6 pro. I believe they used the front camera.
Are there any accuracy problems associated with using front camera?
I just needed a faster option to unlock at work as my hands get kinda dirty and the FP sensor on pixel 6 is sensitive to dust unlike the one on my pixel 3 XL (RIP legend).
If there is a solution that exists already, please forgive my naivety and point me to the thread/discussion for it. Thank you!
I don't think there is currently a solution and I doubt there will be unless Google includes it later.
Can you use smart unlock, with your works WiFi? Or location unlock if it has that?
There were reports that FaceID is in the code, but that it was not used on the P6 because it drains the battery. Since the battery is not great as is, I can see the point. I also wonder how secure it is, as Apple uses dedicated hardware to ensure security (thus the notch), but Google seems to rely on the camera alone -- I assume it's a more secure unlock than the totally inon-secure fake FaceID unlocks on many Chinese phones, like Xiaomi.
On another note, I am trying to use my Garmin watch as a trusted device, but about half the time it doesn't work and the phone would ask for PIN. The trusted device implementation, at least with a watch, is kind of a joke, so I am thinking of disabling it at this point.
I am using Trusted Location. Seems like its working fine. Google 'begs' to have you turn 'on' location function for several of its niceties to work. So security joins the growing pile.
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I am using Trusted Location. Seems like its working fine. Google 'begs' to have you turn 'on' location function for several of its niceties to work. So security joins the growing pile.
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Trusted location is poor security, for many reasons.
Anyone at the location can unlock your phone, so for most of us it's not a solution.
My security is my phone is always on me. I never have left a phone anywhere, lost one, or had one stolen...
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My security is my phone is always on me. I never have left a phone anywhere, lost one, or had one stolen...
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Then you don't need to lock it at all. Problem solved
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Then you don't need to lock it at all. Problem solved
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Was about to say this. Wifi/Location unlocking when at work is not a good idea.
There is a reason why we lock our phones, and no human is perfect - you might forget it for a moment, or get distracted - whatever.
If someone doesn't care for security in any way (I am perfect & my phone will 24/7 stay on me, no matter what) then he/she/is doesn't need any sort of security active in the first place.
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Was about to say this. Wifi/Location unlocking when at work is not a good idea.
There is a reason why we lock our phones, and no human is perfect - you might forget it for a moment, or get distracted - whatever.
If someone doesn't care for security in any way (I am perfect & my phone will 24/7 stay on me, no matter what) then he/she/is doesn't need any sort of security active in the first place.
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Yeah until you want to you a service like "Google pay" you have to have a lock on your phone or you can't use it.
ansh1996 said:
Hi, i was wondering if its possible to port the face recognition option we used to have on older android versions as a mod on the pixel 6 pro. I believe they used the front camera.
Are there any accuracy problems associated with using front camera?
I just needed a faster option to unlock at work as my hands get kinda dirty and the FP sensor on pixel 6 is sensitive to dust unlike the one on my pixel 3 XL (RIP legend).
If there is a solution that exists already, please forgive my naivety and point me to the thread/discussion for it. Thank you!
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It can certainly be done, but you'll have to write some of the code for it yourself. There are a number of open source facial recognition packages available that you can leverage for this.
roirraW edor ehT said:
I don't think there is currently a solution and I doubt there will be unless Google includes it later.
Can you use smart unlock, with your works WiFi? Or location unlock if it has that?
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I work in construction and so there's usually no wifi at work. And the location differs almost everyday so that won't be a viable solution as well.
MacGuy2006 said:
There were reports that FaceID is in the code, but that it was not used on the P6 because it drains the battery. Since the battery is not great as is, I can see the point. I also wonder how secure it is, as Apple uses dedicated hardware to ensure security (thus the notch), but Google seems to rely on the camera alone -- I assume it's a more secure unlock than the totally inon-secure fake FaceID unlocks on many Chinese phones, like Xiaomi.
On another note, I am trying to use my Garmin watch as a trusted device, but about half the time it doesn't work and the phone would ask for PIN. The trusted device implementation, at least with a watch, is kind of a joke, so I am thinking of disabling it at this point.
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If the only major issue is battery than i would rather google give us an option to enable it if we want. That way i could turn it on while im at work.
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Trusted location is poor security, for many reasons.
Anyone at the location can unlock your phone, so for most of us it's not a solution.
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I agree.
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My security is my phone is always on me. I never have left a phone anywhere, lost one, or had one stolen...
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Unfortunately i am extremely forgetful..its something i have to live with so i can definitely not be trusted as the only security for my device hahah
Morgrain said:
Was about to say this. Wifi/Location unlocking when at work is not a good idea.
There is a reason why we lock our phones, and no human is perfect - you might forget it for a moment, or get distracted - whatever.
If someone doesn't care for security in any way (I am perfect & my phone will 24/7 stay on me, no matter what) then he/she/is doesn't need any sort of security active in the first place.
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I agree 100%.
Konfuzion said:
Yeah until you want to you a service like "Google pay" you have to have a lock on your phone or you can't use it.
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I use google pay as well so yeah no security is off the table haha
96carboard said:
It can certainly be done, but you'll have to write some of the code for it yourself. There are a number of open source facial recognition packages available that you can leverage for this.
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Oh. I know a little bit about coding maybe this could be a learning project for me. Would you know what framework i can use to bypass phone security? LSposed, Magisk or maybe some other?
ansh1996 said:
Oh. I know a little bit about coding maybe this could be a learning project for me. Would you know what framework i can use to bypass phone security? LSposed, Magisk or maybe some other?
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Nononono, wrong approach. You do NOT want to bypass phone security. You want to integrate into it. Android is an open source operating system, just find the code where the 4 included unlock mechanisms are defined (swipe/pattern/pin/password), and add your own in the same way.
ansh1996 said:
I work in construction and so there's usually no wifi at work. And the location differs almost everyday so that won't be a viable solution as well.
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Root option to enable a Quick Setting to enable/disable lock - if that's possible?
ansh1996 said:
If the only major issue is battery than i would rather google give us an option to enable it if we want. That way i could turn it on while im at work.
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Fax cus I'm sure that "don't turn off screen if I'm looking at it" feature uses battery and it's ALWAYS ON when you're on your phone if you turn it on. Face ID only on when you use it, how can that even affect battery ?
Pixel 5 has face ID on one of the custom Roms, can't remember which one though.
wgrant said:
Pixel 5 has face ID on one of the custom Roms, can't remember which one though.
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But is it a secure lock like Apple's Face-ID or is it a gimmick like on the various Chinese phones, that's more for "entertainment purposes only?"
96carboard said:
Nononono, wrong approach. You do NOT want to bypass phone security. You want to integrate into it. Android is an open source operating system, just find the code where the 4 included unlock mechanisms are defined (swipe/pattern/pin/password), and add your own in the same way.
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Yes that is a better way of looking at it. Thank you for the insight!
roirraW edor ehT said:
Root option to enable a Quick Setting to enable/disable lock - if that's possible?
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That would basically mean i have no security when i disable it, only that i would be able to do so faster haha
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Fax cus I'm sure that "don't turn off screen if I'm looking at it" feature uses battery and it's ALWAYS ON when you're on your phone if you turn it on. Face ID only on when you use it, how can that even affect battery ?
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Yeah but it would only be looking for one thing. Maybe all the battery used on image processing for FaceID adds up over the many unlocks during the course of the day. Thats why i am keen to have it enabled only while I'm at work as the FP works fine in all other circumstances.
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Pixel 5 has face ID on one of the custom Roms, can't remember which one though.
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Oh, that would definitely be worth taking a look. Ill will try and find out over the weekend if i can. Thanks!
Recently, when I decided to receive the OTA for 13 Dev Preview#2, among some of the changes from Tiramisu, or build #1, was my Pixel 6 Pro no longer had the feature Vo5G for voice calls.
This feature with it's own toggle used to reside at the bottom of the internet settings screen, right underneath the setting, "Allow 2G".
I did a beta feedback report on this, and will update this post when/if they find a solution for this issue. es
evnStevn said:
Recently, when I decided to receive the OTA for 13 Dev Preview#2, among some of the changes from Tiramisu, or build #1, was my Pixel 6 Pro no longer had the feature Vo5G for voice calls.
This feature with it's own toggle used to reside at the bottom of the internet settings screen, right underneath the setting, "Allow 2G".
I did a beta feedback report on this, and will update this post when/if they find a solution for this issue. es
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Beta 1 should come out tomorrow, so I guess we will see what happens.
Doug8796 said:
Beta 1 should come out tomorrow, so I guess we will see what happens.
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Where did you hear the 13 beta would drop tomorrow?
opz187 said:
Where did you hear the 13 beta would drop tomorrow?
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DP1 came out on the 2nd Thursday of February Android 13 Developer Preview 1 is here with themed icons, privacy changes, and more
DP2 came out on the 3rd Thursday of March Android 13 Developer Preview 2 arrives with notification permission requests and other changes
But March was when we had the late update for the Pixel 6/Pro as well (I think), so maybe that affected DP2.
More generally, here's the monthly plan for Betas, although it doesn't mention dates or particular Thursdays, probably because it's always tentative: Android 13 Developer Preview
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DP1 came out on the 2nd Thursday of February Android 13 Developer Preview 1 is here with themed icons, privacy changes, and more
DP2 came out on the 3rd Thursday of March Android 13 Developer Preview 2 arrives with notification permission requests and other changes
But March was when we had the late update for the Pixel 6/Pro as well (I think), so maybe that affected DP2.
More generally, here's the monthly plan for Betas, although it doesn't mention dates or particular Thursdays, probably because it's always tentative: Android 13 Developer Preview
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Gotcha, makes sense now
This setting is controlled by the carrier setting. And yes, for T-Mobile specifically it was removed between DP1 and DP2.
Please provide the feedback entry if you have it.
Well said, and as I said on reddit:
"The first build was released on 2nd Thursday, the 10th of February. The second build was released the 3rd Thursday, the 17th of March. Due to the dirty pipe exploit and taking an average of the two dates of the month (roughly 13.5 day of the month (rounds up)), the build will almost certainly come out tomorrow, April 14, 2022."
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DP1 came out on the 2nd Thursday of February Android 13 Developer Preview 1 is here with themed icons, privacy changes, and more
DP2 came out on the 3rd Thursday of March Android 13 Developer Preview 2 arrives with notification permission requests and other changes
But March was when we had the late update for the Pixel 6/Pro as well (I think), so maybe that affected DP2.
More generally, here's the monthly plan for Betas, although it doesn't mention dates or particular Thursdays, probably because it's always tentative: Android 13 Developer Preview
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here you go, tell me if you need something more. es
LLStarks said:
This setting is controlled by the carrier setting. And yes, for T-Mobile specifically it was removed between DP1 and DP2.
Please provide the feedback entry if you have it.
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LLStarks said:
This setting is controlled by the carrier setting. And yes, for T-Mobile specifically it was removed between DP1 and DP2.
Please provide the feedback entry if you have it.
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a magenta fan too, I take it? was that what you were looking for? If you need something different just let me know. es
The modem in DP2 is older and less refined than the newer builds of Android 12+.
This is not a modem issue as far as I've seen. It's possible that the early modems didn't support it, but the carrier config is the culprit here. There are clear differences between DP1 and DP2 where a flag that literally says vonr/vo5g is missing.
Maybe I'm doing this wrong, but replacing the DP2 one with the DP1 version doesn't seem to enable it. I was trying to adapt a magisk module to do that. But it's a little weird because sometimes the carrier configs are encoded and other times they are mostly plain text.
At least Google is acknowledging it.
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This setting is controlled by the carrier setting. And yes, for T-Mobile specifically it was removed between DP1 and DP2.
Please provide the feedback entry if you have it.
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LLStarks said:
This is not a modem issue as far as I've seen. It's possible that the early modems didn't support it, but the carrier config is the culprit here. There are clear differences between DP1 and DP2 where a flag that literally says vonr/vo5g is missing.
Maybe I'm doing this wrong, but replacing the DP2 one with the DP1 version doesn't seem to enable it. I was trying to adapt a magisk module to do that. But it's a little weird because sometimes the carrier configs are encoded and other times they are mostly plain text.
At least Google is acknowledging it.
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Hey, I was just reading your comments, and yes, now, they are acknowledging the missing field. The first time I sent beta feedback on this issue was two weeks prior. They got everything from me, bug report, screen recordings from #1 & #2, as if "the before, and after" weight -loss ads! So a day or goes by, got the buginizer confirmation in my inbox, and I looked for the report filling in the beta feedback app grouped together with others I reported and the whole thing had been deleted, it wasn't anywhere! So I said fuc$ this shi#, I did the whole thing over again, even flashed back to DPB #1, to make sure Vo5G was still there! (lol) This time around, I made mention (several times) throughout my feedback report, that this first report seem to fall off of the radar, and could someone explain how & why, it had to be human error, blah, blah blah, & anyway this time around, it seems to be getting worked, but not vanishing into thin air. A friend of mine that I spoke to about this, got me in his mindset that this was maybe something that wasn't supposed to get out for public consumption until their Pixel 7 Series rollout, of course equipped with (stable) Android 13, and Vo5G Voice Calls included in their "Feature Blitz". To be honest, I'm still not so sure some of that isn't going on, as we all know both Google & Samsung been playing that shi# for years (because they can)!
LLStarks said:
This setting is controlled by the carrier setting. And yes, for T-Mobile specifically it was removed between DP1 and DP2.
Please provide the feedback entry if you have it.
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hey, thanks for the hit. es
they better include that feature when they release android 13 for pixel 6 series, i currently dont even have voLTE which is extremely annoying, even when i have 2 sims installed, if I make a phone call it disconnects my data on both lines and I am unable to use internet at all, its making me want to switch to another phone.
Beta 1 still doesn't include this.
NewDev4IOS said:
they better include that feature when they release android 13 for pixel 6 series, i currently dont even have voLTE which is extremely annoying, even when i have 2 sims installed, if I make a phone call it disconnects my data on both lines and I am unable to use internet at all, its making me want to switch to another phone.
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I heard it was omitted (not included) from DP#2 affecting only T-Mobile customers?! It may be just a rumor, others may be experiencing the same as us. I happy to learn we will see it again soon, next update or Android 13 Beta along with Face Unlock!
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The modem in DP2 is older and less refined than the newer builds of Android 12+.
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how did that happen...another of Google's attempts to get all the teams back under one roof, post-covid 19 style-ish, by bringing back the ever popular, "Bring Your Medical Marijuana To Work" week?! lol
The QPR modems have generally been the newest.
But with respect to Vo5G in particular, I'm not really sure where the carrier settings are being read from. Overwriting the protobuf files for T-Mobile doesn't seem to help.
I just got notified that my pixel 6 pro will update to A13 in two days, and there seems to be nothing I can do about it.
Does anyone know how to block it and stop any future updates? I've already got 'automatic updates' turned off, but that isn't stopping it.
What do I need to freeze, or what command line do i need to run, to clean this up and stop updates, especially A13?
I assume if your phone rooted, automatically updating will fail
It doesn't, and I lose root, that's what I thought last security update— which is why i'm concerned
christiebunny said:
I just got notified that my pixel 6 pro will update to A13 in two days, and there seems to be nothing I can do about it.
Does anyone know how to block it and stop any future updates? I've already got 'automatic updates' turned off, but that isn't stopping it.
What do I need to freeze, or what command line do i need to run, to clean this up and stop updates, especially A13?
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Yes tap build 7 times for Developer Settings and disable automatic updatea
You could unlock the bootloader (which would require a device wipe) and then reinstall your current build of Android manually. That would be one of the only ways to officially disable automatic updates as well as update notifications.
I don't think that there's any way you'll be able to permanently avoid it. At least one other person who was rooted on Android 12 got the OTA to 13 even though they had automatic updates already disabled and it actually installed successfully - they lost root until they manually re-rooted it, but it was a surprise it updated successfully via OTA.
You may be able to delay it some buy factory resetting and some other things, but it's a big "maybe", and ultimately I don't think there's any way for you to avoid it.
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Yes tap build 7 times for Developer Settings and disable automatic updatea
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The OP you quoted says:
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I've already got 'automatic updates' turned off, but that isn't stopping it.
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roirraW edor ehT said:
I don't think that there's any way you'll be able to permanently avoid it. At least one other person who was rooted on Android 12 got the OTA to 13 even though they had automatic updates already disabled and it actually installed successfully - they lost root until they manually re-rooted it, but it was a surprise it updated successfully via OTA.
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I "think" I've seen 3 instances of where someone was rooted but successfully completed the OTA, although 2 may have been from the same person. Maybe it was even the same person mentioning it 3 times, lol. Not really sure.
Makes me wonder if they removed the pre-OTA block verifications when going from A12 to A13 or just a fluke situation.
Lughnasadh said:
I "think" I've seen 3 instances of where someone was rooted but successfully completed the OTA, although 2 may have been from the same person. Didn't go back to check the posts.
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I think I've seen more than one person report this too, but wasn't sure, and as I always say, I keep forgetting the old stuff. What was I talking about?
Lughnasadh said:
Makes me wonder if they removed the pre-OTA block verifications when going from A12 to A13 or something else is going on.
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I suspect (but pretty obvious) that they have ways of force-pushing updates through despite the automatic update setting (or it's broken in typical Google fashion), but I think it's the former.
Then I believe they made a command decision that the vulnerability is too bad and that they felt they must force it on everyone. Again, given Google's reputation, this could've easily been an accident as well - "who pushed the red button!?!?!?"
And then the further command decision to push over top of modded, or at least simply rooted, devices as much as possible. I wonder what happens in the case someone has truly modified their software more aggressively at the root level. It wouldn't surprise me if it would've still overridden in those cases.
While, of course, those would be questionable actions for them to take (if these are actually true in the first place), I either partially or mostly agree with them, but just on principle, I can't wholeheartedly agree with them. Somewhere in the 40%-99% range.
If true, hopefully this is a very rare occurrence and not going to be how it is from now on. I will wait patiently to observe how things go.
What's the reason for avoiding the update? A13 is a pretty minor update from A12.1. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they should have called it A12.2.
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What's the reason for avoiding the update? A13 is a pretty minor update from A12.1. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they should have called it A12.2.
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this exactly I also want to know, is there any reason for not upgrading to A13 when coming from A12?
Only thing I could think of is some apps which might not yet work on A13...but thats about it?!
Annil said:
this exactly I also want to know, is there any reason for not upgrading to A13 when coming from A12?
Only thing I could think of is some apps which might not yet work on A13...but thats about it?!
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V4A, at least in my case. I'm not updating until its compatible, or I find a better alternative.
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What's the reason for avoiding the update? A13 is a pretty minor update from A12.1. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they should have called it A12.2.
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Android 13 cannot be modified is one reason...
Tulsadiver said:
Android 13 cannot be modified is one reason...
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I'm concerned about app compatibility, magisk, and how much control I'll lose.
As it is, even on 12, I can't change anything in /system, it's locked RO. I'm tired of not having control over a phone I paid for that's supposedly 'unlocked', but isn't
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Android 13 cannot be modified is one reason...
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Could you explain your theory on this?
christiebunny said:
I'm concerned about app compatibility, magisk, and how much control I'll lose.
As it is, even on 12, I can't change anything in /system, it's locked RO. I'm tired of not having control over a phone I paid for that's supposedly 'unlocked', but isn't
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Compatibility seems remarkably intact, magisk works as intended, and there is no evidence of any change in what control you have.
96carboard said:
Could you explain your theory on this?
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Modified SystemUI bootloops.
Tulsadiver said:
Modified SystemUI bootloops.
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Ok? How are you modifying it?
96carboard said:
Ok? How are you modifying it?
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Same way I always have.
Tulsadiver said:
Same way I always have.
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That answer really doesn't help anyone.
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That answer really doesn't help anyone.
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