Hi all,
I've a new Nexus 5x but am having an odd issue with the camera. [I also got this camera for a family member and their unit from a separate supplier has the same issue]
I wanted to test out the hdr/+/auto function so took two pictures within seconds against a car of a scene. On the computer I cannot remember which was which (hdr on or off or auto) but which the photo focused and nothing seemed to change the quality of the first image is much worse:
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The second 5x I've check out also has these smeary photos dotted through the camera album - as though the camera opened it and went to render the fine detail but didn't.
This isn't camera shake (shutter speed high) nor a mis-focus, it's ike being back on my old Samsung occasionally!
Has anyone else experienced this or know what could be wrong?
I've never seen HDR+ whether auto or manually set to on make a photo blurry like the one on the left. You sure it wasn't an accidental "lens blur" photo taken? Although it looks like nothing is even focused at all with that left pic.
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Definitely no lens blur applied. It's not not focussed, everything in find pic is mushy and focus was on wall/fence join. I've seen this on other pics from another 5x and cannot work out why.
Bingley said:
Definitely no lens blur applied. It's not not focussed, everything in find pic is mushy and focus was on wall/fence join. I've seen this on other pics from another 5x and cannot work out why.
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Now was the preview in the camera app actually in focus when taken and you're saying it's being saved out of focus?
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It focussed yep and both acreen previews looked the same while taking the pics. It's not just oit of focus as I know what that looks like and I'm getting it testing it occasionally, same with anothers unit in every day use
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It focussed yep and both acreen previews looked the same while taking the pics. It's not just oit of focus as I know what that looks like and I'm getting it testing it occasionally, same with anothers unit in every day use
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Very interesting. I take photos pretty often and never had resulting out of focus when the preview was in focus.
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Hand shake maybe? Just looks out of focus or shakey to me. BTW I've not had any issues with the camera, I would suggest setting HDR+ on unless the subject is a moving target and then to use HDR+ off. Auto never seemed to work properly though that might have changed in the most recently released Camera update.
Also don't forget you can tap to focus to get the best shots, then just try and keep you hand as still as possible while HDR+ takes its multiple exposure shots and stitches them together.
Both taken around 1/1600 of a second held against something sturdy. It's *not* camera shake. I know how hdr/+ works, and I've occasionally had this my with slr shooting at 1/4000/sec. It's across two devices and I cannot understand why.
Also, if anyone knows how to tell via metadata etc which hdr on/off/auto setting was used I'd love to know!
I've attached a pic straight from cam.
Exif looks fine, it focused seeminly ok, but basically looks crappy at 100%. Am I expecting too much? Look at the trees in the distance/gravel/path, it's all pretty poor imo.
Program name is bullhead user - is that correct?
Running 7.1.1. using Google camera all on auto.
Any help would be so gratefully received!
Full size image at: https://postimg.org/image/otugcb3ub/
Ok, I think I've worked it out.
After testing three 5X's it seem to be that HDR+ Auto produces these crappy pics. It's like it's been over compressed, shrunk then stretched, over sharpened, and artefacts are abundant.
HDR On is fine. So, either Google Camera Auto hdr sucks or three cameras are crappy.
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Ok, I think I've worked it out.
After testing three 5X's it seem to be that HDR+ Auto produces these crappy pics. It's like it's been over compressed, shrunk then stretched, over sharpened, and artefacts are abundant.
HDR On is fine. So, either Google Camera Auto hdr sucks or three cameras are crappy.
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I always shoot HDR+ on just because it's more pleasing to the eye and for this comparison as well:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=70109469
I've never taken enough HDR+ auto pics to see what you have though.
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Yeah its definitely The HDR Auto thats making the quality worse, heres the comparision and i am using the Camera NX aswell which is pixel camera basically, u can see the quality is bad on Auto by looking at the tree branches or the ground which is more blurry on auto.
HDR+ On
HDR+ Auto
Yeah there was a Reddit thread too about the difference when the Pixel came out:
https://amp.reddit.com/r/GooglePixe...aware_hdr_auto_hdr_on_are_two_very_different/
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EeZeEpEe said:
Yeah there was a Reddit thread too about the difference when the Pixel came out:
https://amp.reddit.com/r/GooglePixe...aware_hdr_auto_hdr_on_are_two_very_different/
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That post states that the HDR+ Auto doesn't have quite the dynamic range, but produces less noise. Then it says that HDR+ On has really good dynamic range, but has a lot of noise in low-light situations.
The rest of this thread is operating on a different premise, that HDR+ Auto produces blurry details, which is present in that reddit post, but not the main point. Take a look at Pic 3-1 (HDR+ Auto) and Pic 3-2 (HDR+ On). The most obvious thing is the sun/clouds are significantly better in the HDR+ On, but look at the detail in the sidewalk as well. HDR+ Auto is kinda fuzzy/blurry on the details.
Weirdly enough, HDR+ Auto producing blurry details and HDR+ On having low light detail are actually the same thing.
Quote from TheVerge (emphasis added):
The traditional way to produce an HDR image is to bracket: you take the same image multiple times while exposing different parts of the scene, which lets you merge the shots together to create a final photograph where nothing is too blown-out or noisy. Google's method is very different — HDR+ also takes multiple images at once, but they're all underexposed. This preserves highlights, but what about the noise in the shadows? Just leave it to math.
"Mathematically speaking, take a picture of a shadowed area — it's got the right color, it's just very noisy because not many photons landed in those pixels," says Levoy. "But the way the mathematics works, if I take nine shots, the noise will go down by a factor of three — by the square root of the number of shots that I take. And so just taking more shots will make that shot look fine. Maybe it's still dark, maybe I want to boost it with tone mapping, but it won't be noisy." Why take this approach? It makes it easier to align the shots without leaving artifacts of the merge, according to Levoy. "One of the design principles we wanted to adhere to was no. ghosts. ever." he says, pausing between each word for emphasis. "Every shot looks the same except for object motion. Nothing is blown out in one shot and not in the other, nothing is noisier in one shot and not in the other. That makes alignment really robust."
Google also claims that, counterintuitively, underexposing each HDR shot actually frees the camera up to produce better low-light results. "Because we can denoise very well by taking multiple images and aligning them, we can afford to keep the colors saturated in low light," says Levoy. "Most other manufacturers don't trust their colors in low light, and so they desaturate, and you'll see that very clearly on a lot of phones — the colors will be muted in low light, and our colors will not be as muted." But the aim isn't to get rid of noise entirely at the expense of detail; Levoy says "we like preserving texture, and we're willing to accept a little bit of noise in order to preserve texture."
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Google's HDR+ Auto isn't true HDR; it's taking multiple underexposed images and blending them all together, intentionally blurring them together to reduce noise. This method is also gonna make any texture that's naturally irregular and blur it together. It's also not going to respond well to small detail shots when there's any amount of movement in the shots. This is why the rock wall in the OP, the tree branches and asphalt in LeftIron's pics right above me, and the sidewalk in that Reddit post are always gonna be blurry. It's Google's algorithm to try to reduce noise in low-light photos, which seeing as they're "HDR"-ing multiple underexposed photos, is always gonna be the case.
It's my impression that tone-mapping deals with these very differently, so this is why this isn't an issue in the HDR+ On photos.
TL;DR Use "HDR+ Auto" for low-light situations, and "HDR+ On" for everything else.
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TL;DR Use "HDR+ Auto" for low-light situations, and "HDR+ On" for everything else.
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This (fullsize here) is what I'm talking about. As labelled, left is HDR+ Auto, right is HDR+ On.
Aside from the On looking slightly less sharp - fine - the Auto's quality is simply terrible. The grass, the tree thing, all the detail is smudged away and way over processed, with garish edges and artifacting almost as a standard. It looks painterly, like a bad PS filter. [Focus was on branches in sky in full pic hence focus great on grass on either pic]
Anyone else got a comparison between auto and on they could share? I can't believe it's just the three I've tried it on but perhaps it is.
Leson: HDR+ On > HDR+ Auto in image quality by far.
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This (fullsize here) is what I'm talking about. As labelled, left is HDR+ Auto, right is HDR+ On.
Aside from the On looking slightly less sharp - fine - the Auto's quality is simply terrible. The grass, the tree thing, all the detail is smudged away and way over processed, with garish edges and artifacting almost as a standard. It looks painterly, like a bad PS filter. [Focus was on branches in sky in full pic hence focus great on grass on either pic]
Anyone else got a comparison between auto and on they could share? I can't believe it's just the three I've tried it on but perhaps it is.
Leson: HDR+ On > HDR+ Auto in image quality by far.
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That's a great example of what I was talking about. HDR+ Auto takes multiple photos and just blurs them together, making a lot of smudge and fuzz. The HDR+ On is an actual HDR, so it's going to have better quality almost unilaterally.
I say almost, because there seems to be one exception: low-light situations, which your photos weren't. If it were night time or something, the HDR+ On would probably have a lot of noise, while the HDR+ Auto would blur out the noise at the cost of detail. Hense, why I made my recommendation earlier.
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That's a great example of what I was talking about. HDR+ Auto takes multiple photos and just blurs them together, making a lot of smudge and fuzz. The HDR+ On is an actual HDR, so it's going to have better quality almost unilaterally.
I say almost, because there seems to be one exception: low-light situations, which your photos weren't. If it were night time or something, the HDR+ On would probably have a lot of noise, while the HDR+ Auto would blur out the noise at the cost of detail. Hense, why I made my recommendation earlier.
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Great, thanks. I've yet to test low light hdr auto v on but if you're right I'll go with that. I'm surprised Auto is so cruddy, but then I've been looking at 6P/Pixel/Iphone 7 comparisons here https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/5dlm0l/google_pixel_low_light_photography_nexus_6p_and/ and the 7 does surprisingly badly. Sometimes the 6p is better, others Pixel does. Great cam either way!
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Hey guys!
Seems like the original HTC Camera App is quite a bugger. Sure, it's interface is fancy and intuitive with quite the features, but hear me out.
I bought Camera Zoom FX back in the days and loved to use it with my Galaxy S2 since it produced some wonderful shots for me.
I tried it out now on my One X device, and there I made quite a discovery.
First of all, I did 2 test shots for each camera, so in total 4.
The first one I did outside, cloudy sky, slight rain -> white concrete wall. Makro shot. The second on I did indoors, closed room, artificial light (bad light condition).
Second is: I'll also write down the filesize of the photos. The difference is, least to say, overwhelming.
Another point is: As soon as I took a shot with the HTC camera app, I simply can't take any photos anymore with Camera Zoom FX. Camera screen stays black after a shot, photo doesnt get saved, app needs to be killed. It will only work again after a reboot. Seems like the HTC camera app not only applies heavy compression and somewhat dark lighting, but also causes glitches and issues within the system regarding the camera api.
Enough talk, see for yourself:
Keep in mind, I didnt use LED flash, nor HDR. Simple setup, no color corrections or post processing. Those are raw, untouched images down there!
Macro - Cloudy Sky, Slight Rain, White concrete wall
HTC camera (Original: 2,14 MB)
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Autofocus - Indoor, closed room, poor light condition, artificial light
HTC camera (Original: 1,50 MB)
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Okay, guys. Now that you've seen those shots, what are your thoughts and impressions? To me, the color, brightness and sharpness looks ALOT better with Camera Zoom FX. PLUS - focusing seems to be much more stable on Camera Zoom FX, and its still FAST. Maybe its a little too bright with CZFX, but still, that just shows that the HTC One X Camera is capeable of much more!
HTC, fix your camera application!!
in my opinion, the 2nd shot seem way better for both cases u uploaded..
WOW... incredible difference...can you take a few more samples outside with decent lighting?
that is really amazing how much better the FX shots look...
so you are saying that you can only take one FX shot at a time- and then you have to reboot??
I found the HTC camera to produce a lot of noise even in well lit environment.
The camera is one of their big selling points it seems odd they would use so much JPEG compression in the software. Personally I'd like to output images as actual RAW files.
Also the brightness and colour contrast of the HTC one X screen seems to have given them a bit of a dilemma with the colour of photo's, when you take a shot and view it on the phone screen the colour looks good but when you then view it on a monitor the colour looks washed out and dull, Problem is if the camera reproduced the colour correctly it would look way over saturated on that bright screen of the phone.
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Another point is: As soon as I took a shot with the HTC camera app, I simply can't take any photos anymore with Camera Zoom FX. Camera screen stays black after a shot, photo doesnt get saved, app needs to be killed. It will only work again after a reboot. Seems like the HTC camera app not only applies heavy compression and somewhat dark lighting, but also causes glitches and issues within the system regarding the camera api.
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I just had this same issue after taking some shots in the garden, not with camera zoom fx though, I dont have that installed, took half a dozen shots then the camera appeared not to take photos, it would focus, make the shutter sound and seemingly take a picture but on viewing i just got a black screen with a triangle and exclamation. reboot was needed. this was using only the htc camera app.
OMG! There's a HUGE difference between those pictures!!! I was a little disappointed with one x's camera quality but now it's clear that it is software related, the camera itself is capable of taking better pictures. I really hope HTC fixes this soon, because I think this is a major problem that has to resolved.
Definitely needs to be resolved, been out taking some more and it only seems to successfully shoot a picture half the time, seems it doesnt need a reboot to get it working again, it just randomly decides when it wants to take a picture or not, seems to mostly fail in very well lit sunny conditions. also had some freezes using the camera needing a hard reboot.
Also downloaded - Different results
I also downloaded camera zoom fx - both stock app and camera zoom are set to auto. in my opinion the camera zoom picture looks over exposed
Camera Zoom Fx may peform better on a sunny day???
both very similar sizes Camera Zoom was 0.2 Mb bigger
first image is Camera Zoom
guys all you need to do is increase the exposure in the htc camera app for similar results
i love the camera guys every pic you post i see amazing colors, actually Camera FX images are over exposed
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guys all you need to do is increase the exposure in the htc camera app for similar results
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Doesnt make a difference for me, tried on manual ISO with same result, it cant take a picture in well lit conditions, tried a few again, if i point the camera to the garden (sun behind me) it cant take a picture, if i point the camera down to the floor standing in the same position so there is less light on the sensor it will take a picture, point it back up again, fails to take a picture.
been trying in different areas too, in shadowed areas or indoors its fine, something that is well lit by the sun it fails to take a picture at all.
Gonna try Camera FX now
actually no im not, it's not free lol
I dont think the camera is at total fault... If you play around with the camera settings you can adjust the amount of exposure and sharpness of the photo... I personally feel that this setting is quite good under normal conditions:
Exposure -1
Saturation -1
Sharpness -1
Contrast -1 (play around with different light ambience)
These settings actually gave quite good results for me... although undeniably raw uncompressed pictures are better... just my 2 cents...
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Gonna try Camera FX now
actually no im not, it's not free lol
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Dunno what it costs now, but it was on sale for something like 50c a couple of weeks ago.....not that that helps you at all!
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Dunno what it costs now, but it was on sale for something like 50c a couple of weeks ago.....not that that helps you at all!
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It's on sale now in the uk too at just under £2, I know that's not a lot but I'm not paying for an alternative app just because the one on my brand new £500 phone doesn't work properly. Hopefully software updates or custom roms should fix the issues and realistically I'll rarely use the camera anyway, I have a DSLR I will use when I know I want to photograph stuff but was just hoping the HTC camera might be good to use on the occasion I don't have the DSLR with me.
And it probably will be if i can just get it to take pictures in the sun.
Well, after some further testing I can confirm that in regular daylight conditions, Camera Zoom FX as well as ICS Camera (Market) both produce over exposed photos.
That is kinda weird. I also experience intense flickering on the capture frame while using the mentioned apps.
Sometimes, both apps dont even shoot a photo. Camera Zoom FX just stays at a black capture frame, and ICS Camera just FC.
What's up with that cam, seriously? Thats kinda weird... Tho, sharpness still looks a litttle better with third party camera apps. File size is always way bigger, too.
I think the camera is capeable of doing much more. I guess the drivers are still not really final yet.
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Sometimes, both apps dont even shoot a photo. Camera Zoom FX just stays at a black capture frame, and ICS Camera just FC.
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How bright and sunny is it where you are today?
it's very bright here and I cannot get it to take images in the sun at all, just getting black screens like you mentioned.
Camera compression is better inOne X. I had Xperia Arc and camera compression was horrible, Same 8 MP cam it used to be below 1 MB but it does produced awesome pictures.
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How bright and sunny is it where you are today?
it's very bright here and I cannot get it to take images in the sun at all, just getting black screens like you mentioned.
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Yea, pretty bright. Seems like the apps have issues with bright environments and therefore bright captures ... bugger
I'm wondering if the fixed f2.0 aperture is just too wide for sunny conditions, great for low light yes but I wouldn't use f2.0 on a DSLR in very bright conditions unless I was using a fast shutter speed and since there is no shutter speed adjustment on the One X, 2.0 I think is just too wide for those conditions, even on 100 ISO
Just popped back out into the garden now the sun has gone down some and the same pictures that wouldn't take earlier are now taking ok.
Okay guys, I don't know if any of you here are photographers - but I am...
It doesn't matter what app you use for your phone-photography - it's all using the same lens! What matters is the settings you use. Given, the 3rd party apps may implement their settings better, but nothing that the stock camera app isn't capable of. Know how to adjust your shutter speed and ISO settings accoridngly and you'll come out with some cracking pictures (considering the size of the lens and sensor). At the end of the day, it's a PHONE CAMERA. It ain't never going to be perfect. If you want great image quality, go out and a buy a dSLR or compacts / micro 4/3s camera.
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Okay guys, I don't know if any of you here are photographers - but I am...
It doesn't matter what app you use for your phone-photography - it's all using the same lens! What matters is the settings you use. Given, the 3rd party apps may implement their settings better, but nothing that the stock camera app isn't capable of. Know how to adjust your shutter speed and ISO settings accoridngly and you'll come out with some cracking pictures (considering the size of the lens and sensor). At the end of the day, it's a PHONE CAMERA. It ain't never going to be perfect. If you want great image quality, go out and a buy a dSLR or compacts / micro 4/3s camera.
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Photographer here too
I do wish there was an option for less compression on the stock app though /: As it is there's still too much compression going on. Just play with the ISO and image settings and it's still pretty good
They really need to improve the software and encoding for both image and video capture. They are both worse than the competition. Their hardware seems capable enough, and this certainly has enough firepower, but it ain't being used right.
I'm not a photographer but I can tell a ****ty photo from a good one. I don't think they are very pleasing on this device. Older phones I've owned take much better photos. It's really sad that photo snobs come into a cellphone forum and riddle every post about the camera with IT"S NOT A DSLR IT"S A CAMERA-PHONE GO BUY A REAL CAMERA. Set the bar high much? We're comparing cellphone cameras. I don't see PC people coming in and crapping on browser and benchmark threads, saying IT"S NOT A PC BUY A REAL COMPUTER LULZ.
These cellphones are replacing point-and-shoot cameras. Those are REAL cameras BTW, and they are good enough. How many people actually own DSLRS? I don't even know any, nor know of anyone who would be caught dead with one, or pay the $500+ for a good one.
Downplaying the camera is also a good line for HTC apologists/fanboys.
I never use HDR when taking pics on my GS4, because frankly, it doesn't need it. But I saw a couple of pictures taken with the G3 in HDR that looked AMAZING. It makes me think I'll be using HDR quite a bit. My question is, how exactly does the phone know when to use HDR and when not to? Is it somewhat intelligent about when using it would make the picture better?
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I never use HDR when taking pics on my GS4, because frankly, it doesn't need it. But I saw a couple of pictures taken with the G3 in HDR that looked AMAZING. It makes me think I'll be using HDR quite a bit. My question is, how exactly does the phone know when to use HDR and when not to? Is it somewhat intelligent about when using it would make the picture better?
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HDR is used to brighten the dark surrounds of where the lens is pointing towards a bright area.
Without HDR if you took a shot of say looking out of a window the light meter inside the camera exposes the shot for what you see outside the window but unlike our eyes which manage to 'balance the lighting' of everything else inside (surrounding walls) this non HDR shot would make these walls black.
Now take the same shot with HDR and although the exposure is still focused on what you see outside everything else inside the building has it's light lifted, so giving you an effect similar to what your eyes actually see.
The better the camera and I do mean dedicated DSLR type the better the HDR effect.
So, how does it do it......
Well, unknown to you when you take that HDR shot out of the window the sensor immediately notices the lighting is extremely bright in certain areas of the shot. So, instead of exposing the shot to either inside which would result in what is seen out of the window being washed out is extreme brightness or exposing the shot to what is seen outside which results in everything inside being extremely dark, what the sensor now does is say "Hey, let me lift the dark areas and lower the bright areas and give you are more balanced shot"!
It does this by taking two very quick successive shots, one bright areas and one dark areas and then quickly combines the two together.
All you get to see is the final shot.
Some camera apps such as Camera 360 offer a dedicated HDR section where you can control more of the shot.
There is even dedicated standalone apps which concentrate on nothing but HDR.
Hey guys,
I am having trouble taking good pictures with indoor lighting. The first problem is that the viewfinder (or the image on the screen) is not very smooth. It's jittery and lags and its super annoying. How can I improve the speed of the viewfinder so I can frame shots better?
I also hear that the LG has fantastic low light capability. However, with indoor lighting (fluorescent bulbs) I find the images have a lot of noise and the details appear very muddy and very oil painting-ish.
I don't have any problems during sunlight but indoors, the G4's camera is a mess. It's slow, jiterry and all round annoying to use. Any help would be appreciated!
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Hey guys,
I am having trouble taking good pictures with indoor lighting. The first problem is that the viewfinder (or the image on the screen) is not very smooth. It's jittery and lags and its super annoying. How can I improve the speed of the viewfinder so I can frame shots better?
I also hear that the LG has fantastic low light capability. However, with indoor lighting (fluorescent bulbs) I find the images have a lot of noise and the details appear very muddy and very oil painting-ish.
I don't have any problems during sunlight but indoors, the G4's camera is a mess. It's slow, jiterry and all round annoying to use. Any help would be appreciated!
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I haven't tried it on my G4. But on other digital cameras, I have seen the displayed preview screen image get jerky in low-light when aiming the camera around.
My theory is that, to make the image bright enough, the camera needs to take a longer preview exposure. Capturing the image for the preview screen works the same way as taking an actual picture, of course. In bright light, maybe the sensor takes a 1/500 second exposure to generate the preview. But in low light, maybe it needs a 1/5 second exposure to make the preview image bright enough to be useful on the sccreen. So now it can only take a max of 5 preview images per second, and the screen will look jerky.
The muddy details, and looking like an oil painting, are at least in part due to the image sensor's ISO value being turned way up, due to the low-light conditions. Some of it may be due to the JPG compression settings, and perhaps noise-reduction. Pictures taken with the flash should help with this, as you're providing more light, and therefore the camera can use a lower ISO value, for better image quality.
You could try taking the same picture in Auto, then in Manual mode. Turn the ISO value down in Manual mode (to maybe 200, 400, something like that), and slow the shutter speed as needed for a proper exposure. In the Gallery, you can check the Details for the picture taken in Auto, to check the ISO value that the camera used. Use a lower ISO value for the Manual mode picture, and see if the results look better. Doing this with the flash turned off should help make the difference more apparent.
You can also capture JPG + RAW in Manual mode. The RAW files do not exhibit JPG compression, or other processing, they are straight from the image sensor. So you may get less muddiness and oil-painting effect.
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mufaa, can you post any example indoor pics you've taken? That might help provide some context for what you're seeing.
What are your requirements for the picture?
Do you have a moving subject that demands a fast shutter, or can you afford to use a slower shutter speed?
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mufaa, can you post any example indoor pics you've taken? That might help provide some context for what you're seeing.
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Well, here's one for starters. This is the only non-personal image I can share at the moment (I am at work!) but if it's not enough I will snap one tonight and post it for you.
http://i.imgur.com/5mpaT2h.jpg
Zoom into the picture and you will find details buried in blurry oil painting like smudges. This happens in bright pictures as well. Is this how the sensor on the camera is?
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What are your requirements for the picture?
Do you have a moving subject that demands a fast shutter, or can you afford to use a slower shutter speed?
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I usually shoot with subjects (my family, nephew, etc.) and I need the viewfinder to be fast. Because the viewfinder is so slow, subjects come out blurry even with the slighest movement. I also have to have a super steady hand.
This wasn't the case with the iPhone 6 i had. I just turned on the camera and snapped away.
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Reboot or try force stop on the camera app. I've had mine get like this occasionally but force closing the app or rebooting fixed it when I opened it again.
If that doesn't do it, you could have a bad camera. There were some people complaining about camera problems in early June.
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Oh boy. I will try that. I have rebooted my device multiple times and the result has been the same though.
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somebodyyy doesn't know how to use manual mode for iso
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somebodyyy doesn't know how to use manual mode for iso
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Any tips?
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Maybe try clearing the cache and data on the camera app. Also, check that the laser window next to the camera lens is clean and unobstructed. Most of my pictures, even in lower light are very sharp when zoomed in.
Gotta be a bad camera or focusing laser.
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Can you share some low light/indoor pictures of yours, and what settings you used to take those pics with?
That sample pic does not appear to have the EXIF data where we could check the ISO and shutter speed etc. that you used, can you check on your camera or source image what the settings were?
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I usually shoot with subjects (my family, nephew, etc.) and I need the viewfinder to be fast. Because the viewfinder is so slow, subjects come out blurry even with the slighest movement. I also have to have a super steady hand.
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The sample picture looks fairly normal to me. That is, it looks like ones I've taken on my G4. I believe the effect you're seeing is partially noise-reduction done by the camera processing, but I'm not 100% sure. A high ISO value will also contribute.
Now I'm wondering if maybe I misinterpreted what you meant in your original post. When you say the viewfinder is slow, do you mean just the jerky image if you move the camera around? Or that the pictures themselves come out blurry?
With only so much light available, the camera typically needs to use a longer exposure to get a bright-enough picture. A steady hand helps, as does OIS, Optical Image Stabilization. But neither of those can help if your *subject* is moving, of course.
You have 2 choices to make a moving subject sharper in low-light:
- Add more light. Use the flash if you aren't already, assuming the subject is within reach of the flash (probably around 10 feet, max). This will change the look of the picture, making it look more "harsh", but the added light should improve the image quality. With more light, the camera can use a quicker shutter speed.
- Raise the sensor's sensitivity, by using a higher ISO value. Effectively turning up the amplification, and allowing a quicker shutter speed. But as most of us have experienced, when you turn up a weak/noisy signal (car radio, etc), you observe more of the low-level background. Static, hiss, and so on. In a picture, this shows up as "noise" in the details of the image, and will typically result in pictures with more of the oil-painting look.
The lens on the G4 is f1.8, and should let in more light than the iPhone 6, at f2.2. It's certainly possible the iPhone does better noise reduction, or things along those lines. I'm not saying the G4's camera is perfect. But it shouldn't be woefully worse in low-light, anyways.
To get a comparison of how ISO affects things, try taking the same, stationary-subject picture, at maybe ISO 200, ISO 800, and ISO 2000. Then zoom in and look at the details of each picture. BTW, every camera will exhibit this behavior.
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Can you share some low light/indoor pictures of yours, and what settings you used to take those pics with?
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it has nothing to do with the cache and stuff lol they sound stupid. just play with the settings. i typically use my outdoor iso from 100-500 depending on what kind of lighting or colors are present. for indoors i set it 500+. just don't go within the thousands if there's no vivid colors or bright lights. try like 500-800 for the iso and 1-1/8 for the shutter.
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The sample picture looks fairly normal to me. That is, it looks like ones I've taken on my G4. I believe the effect you're seeing is partially noise-reduction done by the camera processing, but I'm not 100% sure. A high ISO value will also contribute.
Now I'm wondering if maybe I misinterpreted what you meant in your original post. When you say the viewfinder is slow, do you mean just the jerky image if you move the camera around? Or that the pictures themselves come out blurry?
With only so much light available, the camera typically needs to use a longer exposure to get a bright-enough picture. A steady hand helps, as does OIS, Optical Image Stabilization. But neither of those can help if your *subject* is moving, of course.
You have 2 choices to make a moving subject sharper in low-light:
- Add more light. Use the flash if you aren't already, assuming the subject is within reach of the flash (probably around 10 feet, max). This will change the look of the picture, making it look more "harsh", but the added light should improve the image quality. With more light, the camera can use a quicker shutter speed.
- Raise the sensor's sensitivity, by using a higher ISO value. Effectively turning up the amplification, and allowing a quicker shutter speed. But as most of us have experienced, when you turn up a weak/noisy signal (car radio, etc), you observe more of the low-level background. Static, hiss, and so on. In a picture, this shows up as "noise" in the details of the image, and will typically result in pictures with more of the oil-painting look.
The lens on the G4 is f1.8, and should let in more light than the iPhone 6, at f2.2. It's certainly possible the iPhone does better noise reduction, or things along those lines. I'm not saying the G4's camera is perfect. But it shouldn't be woefully worse in low-light, anyways.
To get a comparison of how ISO affects things, try taking the same, stationary-subject picture, at maybe ISO 200, ISO 800, and ISO 2000. Then zoom in and look at the details of each picture. BTW, every camera will exhibit this behavior.
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"do you mean just the jerky image if you move the camera around? "
Yup. I hate the jerkiness but I guess there's no way to work around that other than decreasing shutter speed and increasing ISO which results in super grainy pics.
I will try the flash light and see if its any better. Usually, I dislike using flash in normally lit indoor places. It doesn't feel natural.
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it has nothing to do with the cache and stuff lol they sound stupid. just play with the settings. i typically use my outdoor iso from 100-500 depending on what kind of lighting or colors are present. for indoors i set it 500+. just don't go within the thousands if there's no vivid colors or bright lights. try like 500-800 for the iso and 1-1/8 for the shutter.
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Yeah, it has nothing to do with the cache. I will try those settings. Thanks!
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Just run into this older post.
My two cents: to avoid high iso muddiness in indoor lower light portraits, you should turn on the flash (or better, use an external led panel to create off camera light)
Indeed flash photos are unappealing, but you can improve them with Snapseed's selective editing, by lowering exposure and warming temperature on your subject faces.
You could also selectively increase exposure on one side to create a less flat picture.
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Hey guys,
I am having trouble taking good pictures with indoor lighting. The first problem is that the viewfinder (or the image on the screen) is not very smooth. It's jittery and lags and its super annoying. How can I improve the speed of the viewfinder so I can frame shots better?
I also hear that the LG has fantastic low light capability. However, with indoor lighting (fluorescent bulbs) I find the images have a lot of noise and the details appear very muddy and very oil painting-ish.
I don't have any problems during sunlight but indoors, the G4's camera is a mess. It's slow, jiterry and all round annoying to use. Any help would be appreciated!
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I am a photographer and am trying to change over to the new mobile camera trend that started years ago but I do know that with LG, since my friend has one, doesn't have a good sense of lighting, period. I am not trying to put down your device, I do not think you need a new one. A good artist can make art from anything and everything to their best of the ability with what they have. I think you should start trying to do things like opening blinds to a window, putting white sheets of paper around or maybe some gray or black sheets of paper to balance your lighting. Is it at all possible for you to share a visual load of what you're doing with the community? I think it would be valuable to have multiple sets of eyes and have many different minds working with you to solve your problem.
The reviews are a mixed bag so far. Here are some that are helpful. The comparison photos would give you some ideas of the capability.
DxOMark Rating 88 (same as S7 scores; but look at the individual scores). Full review now available - thanks @fernando sor)
HTC 10 photos by PRO photographers on grryo, part of power of 10 campaign
Tech Insider HTC 10 vs S7 Camera uh-oh, some issues with the 10
Android Headline Low Light Shootout: Galaxy S7 vs HTC 10 vs LG G5 vs Nexus 6p (thanks @ZooMas)
(direct link to photos from Android Headlines: flickr album with exif)
Engadget Taiwan HTC 10 vs S7 samples (thanks @One Twelve, post), HTC 10 Samples
Ars technica comparison photos from HTC 10, S7, Nexus 5X and iPhone 6S
SlashGear HTC 10 Camera Review and Samples
Techno Buffalo full resolution JPG samples
Android Central Initial HTC 10 Photo & Video Samples from this article
Android Authority First Impression album from this article
Engadget 25 sample photos
I would take these reviews with a grain of salt. For example, the ars technica impression of the photos is a bit misleading IMO. The best photo of a dark scene isn't necessarily the brightest and most colorful (the most faithful capture, not adding light or color that wasn't there, yet retaining details in the shadow, is the best for me -- in addition to noise control).
I asked HTC about the camera issues mentioned on the tech insider review such as this glare and this sharpness issues. The exposure control issues can be addressed with software later, but the glare issue may indicate that the physical lens is more glare prone (compared to the S7 in that photo). This Android Central's photo of an easy outdoor scene shows a lack of sharpness and micro contrast, which may be a combined result of the glare-prone lens and the sharpness issue identified by the tech insider review. That glare issue, however, is NOT a problem on this photo from SlashGear.
Anyway, those are a very small sampling of photos. Post your HTC 10 pics here when you have them so we can all see them!
Low light comparison between S7, 10, G5 and 6P I want to see some raw file comparisons between all of these
Definitely still issues with over exposure. Blowing up backgrounds with light. Had this issue since the M8
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The camera looks gorgeous compared to my M9....
If only the ''testers'' people who have the 10 can posts photos here it would be nice :good:
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Definitely still issues with over exposure. Blowing up backgrounds with light. Had this issue since the M8
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on the M8 it was using touch focus instead of auto focus
on the 10 its auto HDR messing up sometimes its on by default but cant be turned off
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we were begging HTC to reduce sharpness and processing for years so now when they finally did it we bash them?
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if i am not mistake sharpness and contrast can be controlled in settings > cam options
i would take the image on top any day, it's more natural and real
but it clearly needs a slight +0.5 sharpness +0.5 contrast
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The reviews are a mixed bag so far. Here are some that are helpful. The comparison photos would give you some ideas of the capability.
DxOMark Rating 88 (same as S7; but look at the individual scores. No photos from the 10 shown yet)
HTC 10 photos by PRO photographers on grryo, part of power of 10 campaign
Tech Insider HTC 10 vs S7 Camera uh-oh, some issues with the 10
Android Headline Low Light Shootout: Galaxy S7 vs HTC 10 vs LG G5 vs Nexus 6p (thanks Zoomas)
(direct link to photos from Android Headlines: flickr album with exif)
Ars technica comparison photos from HTC 10, S7, Nexus 5X and iPhone 6S
SlashGear HTC 10 Camera Review and Samples
Techno Buffalo full resolution JPG samples
Android Central Initial HTC 10 Photo & Video Samples from this article
Engadget 25 sample photos
I would take these reviews with a grain of salt. For example, the ars technica impression of the photos is a bit misleading IMO. The best photo of a dark scene isn't necessarily the brightest and most colorful (the most faithful capture, not adding light or color that wasn't there, yet retaining details in the shadow, is the best for me -- in addition to noise control).
I asked HTC about the camera issues mentioned on the tech insider review such as this glare and this sharpness issues. The exposure control issues can be addressed with software later, but the glare issue may indicate that the physical lens is more glare prone (compared to the S7 in that photo). This Android Central's photo of an easy outdoor scene shows a lack of sharpness and micro contrast, which may be a combined result of the glare-prone lens and the sharpness issue identified by the tech insider review. That glare issue, however, is NOT a problem on this photo from SlashGear.
Anyway, those are a very small sampling of photos. Post your HTC 10 pics here when you have them so we can all see them!
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dxomark has the full review up
hamdir said:
we were begging HTC to reduce sharpness and processing for years so now when they finally did it we bash them?
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I don't see anyone on this thread bashing them (the "we" in your question). Reviewers can say what they want, many warranted, many are off-target. But it's a discussion forum, so it's fine to have a discussion about image qualities without being accused of complaining or whining or bashing. The NYC wall lacks sharpness - it is what it is. It could be that reviewer got a bad unit, or it could be other things.
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Thanks. Those pics help put the scores in perspective. For example, the cons include "Visible loss of sharpness in the corners compared to the center" BUT they compared the center sharpness of an object that is far out vs the corner sharpness of an object that is near the photographer - NOT on the same plane and, based on the scene distance, most likely not even within the circle of confusion. Why they did that really baffles me!
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Thanks. Those pics help put the scores in perspective. For example, the cons include "Visible loss of sharpness in the corners compared to the center" BUT they compared the center sharpness of an object that is far out vs the corner sharpness of an object that is near the photographer - NOT on the same plane and, based on the scene distance, most likely not even within the circle of confusion. Why they did that really baffles me!
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I feel it's warranted to do that, the hyperfocal distance on phone cameras is usually tiny, everything past couple of meters ends up being in infinity zone anyway.
Things to keep in mind auto HDR is on by default which could cause all sorts of issues if you are unaware it's happening (like blurs)
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I feel it's warranted to do that, the hyperfocal distance on phone cameras is usually tiny, everything past couple of meters ends up being in infinity zone anyway.
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I know what you mean, except that corner tree that they chose looks much closer to the photographer. Again, if they 're going to do that kind of analysis, then they'd better choose a more suitable scene or do it in a controlled manner. I just don't think that scene is valid choice for a lens center to corner sharpness comparison. Anyway, DxOMark is just one source of sample images and I can now interpret their scoring better for my purpose.
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I know what you mean, except that corner tree that they chose looks much closer to the photographer. Again, if they 're going to do that kind of analysis, then they'd better choose a more suitable scene or do it in a controlled manner. I just don't think that scene is valid choice for a lens center to corner sharpness comparison. Anyway, DxOMark is just one source of sample images and I can now interpret their scoring better for my purpose.
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I concur, honestly now that most phones can do RAW, they shouldbe comparing that instead of the proccesed jpg, they don't compare the jpg's for their camera tests
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I asked HTC about the camera issues mentioned on the tech insider review such as this glare and this sharpness issues. The exposure control issues can be addressed with software later, but the glare issue may indicate that the physical lens is more glare prone (compared to the S7 in that photo). This Android Central's photo of an easy outdoor scene shows a lack of sharpness and micro contrast, which may be a combined result of the glare-prone lens and the sharpness issue identified by the tech insider review. That glare issue, however, is NOT a problem on this photo from SlashGear.
Anyway, those are a very small sampling of photos. Post your HTC 10 pics here when you have them so we can all see them!
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I wouldnt take it too seriously about the glare, 2 things when doing stuff like this you have to do a like for like in comparison. Getting too close so the fruit was at a different focal range yes it will have different lighting and not focus the same and the sun behind the tree in one shot and passed in the other? Like WTF? Or course the lighting would show a glare funny thing is go on the S7/edge and its been mentioned numerous times they are suffering too with the same damn problem!
The comparison wasnt credible in my opinion?
HTC dropped the ball with the camera setup they should have put this lense on a duo lense setup like the M8 it would be a beast! I loved my M8 contributed quite a lot on the forums here with photos from it but my biggest gripe was why 4MP? It was commonly accepted that what the M8 needed to be on top was a larger lense to actually harvest more details in the light being captured.
Frustrating as hell! I just wish they had brought back that Duo lense we would see something that would have sunk the competition hard and fast in performance.
I am using the 10 camera app on my A9 thanks to Leedroid, in Auto you can disable HDR, control exposure but not sharpness unless there is a hidden menu
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vegetaleb said:
I am using the 10 camera app on my A9 thanks to Leedroid, in Auto you can disable HDR, control exposure but not sharpness unless there is a hidden menu
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I don't think there's a sharpness menu option. The A9 began the trend of removing the sharpness with the results being images being a bit too flat (nothing wrong with that especially compared to the oversharp gs7/gs6)
However, I think HTC struck a decent balance with the 10. The issues of camera is something I've even seen on my rx1rii so it's not something that can be easily solved
Any low light comparisons with the Huawei P9?
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Things to keep in mind auto HDR is on by default which could cause all sorts of issues if you are unaware it's happening (like blurs)
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Yeah, this could explain the eye brow raising shots i found on the verge. Now if there was a simple way to identify when hdr is on or not in the exifs, it will become easier. Will spare from the 'not impressed' posts.
Not how a camera, according to dxo, that is as sharp as the nexus and has as good artifacts handling as the 808 should behave.
In the meantime i went digging for better samples and engadget taiwan has done a much better job than engadget headoffice.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsky4WQQP
and a comparison with the S7
https://flic.kr/s/aHsky8MB4Q
Exifs, full rez the lot.
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hamdir said:
on the M8 it was using touch focus instead of auto focus
on the 10 its auto HDR messing up sometimes its on by default but cant be turned off
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HDR can be turned off. See 2:30 here
we were begging HTC to reduce sharpness and processing for years so now when they finally did it we bash them?
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here is something more subtle. First is s7, second is the 10
s7e2 by bittie kwan, on Flickr
m10b by bittie kwan, on Flickr
htc10vs7e by bittie kwan, on Flickr
It surprises me how high the ISO's have to be on the 10 for the bottle top. The F stop difference is 1/6.Shutter speed difference is negligible. But ISO wise its almost 2.5stops (!)
Clearly these companies are doing iso curves quite differently.The 10 isn't using any image averaging like HDR+.
I would really like to see some people pull some comparison photos from the S7 in auto, then take to raw/pro mode with the HTC 10 and set it up to match the auto settings that the S7 is doing and see if the pictures then are comparable. It would be the best way to see sensor vs. processing, I would think? Also I know very little about imaging, so I also could be completely wrong. Also I would like to just see shots set up in conditions to the same ISO, shutter speed, etc and see then what kind of differences we're looking at.
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It surprises me how high the ISO's have to be on the 10 for the bottle top. The F stop difference is 1/6.Shutter speed difference is negligible. But ISO wise its almost 2.5stops (!)
Clearly these companies are doing iso curves quite differently.The 10 isn't using any image averaging like HDR+.
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Thanks for the links - they've been added to the first post.
The curtain scene is another telltale about the metering algorithm and exposure. All else equal, the S7 was ISO 200 and the 10 was ISO 500, 1.3 more stop, which ends up lighting up the dark side of the curtain but also clipping the highlights sooner without revealing additional details in the shadow. The same goes with the horse statue scene (ISO 200 vs ISO 320). It seems in dark scenes with strong highlights, the 10 exposure shifts toward higher ISO to light up the shadows, while the S7 is happy in keeping the shadows dark; some of us grow up doing minus exposure compensation in that kind of scene to keep the shadow black instead of gray, and that seems to be what S7 is doing while the 10 wants to make it gray.
The outdoor samples from the 10 are pretty good IMO. They're not overexposed and soft like the NYC samples.
Here is an album with photos shot is FULL AUTO mode. No tweaking settings, focusing or anything. Just letting the camera shoot a photo from the same spot. I know this is not great for the pros out there but it is the way most of us shoot pics. Anyway, I did not take a ton of photos but here are the ones I did take. With the LG i did not do "portrait mode" but did include shots from both the regular and wide angle lenses in the comparison.
I was overall impressed by all cameras. Just click "info" icon at top right to see photo details which list the camera model.
For me results were
Color - iPhone X - yes, oversaturated like Samsung, but I like that.
Detail - Pixel 2 - even though colors did not pop as much the detail in textures and such were better in most of the photos for me
low light - Pixel 2 - just grabbed better detail in the photos (The one with the helicopter was VERY low light, just a crack in the door letting a little light in)
Anyway, I know everyone has different opinions so thought I'd put an album up so people could see and compare the original untouched photos.
I give the win to Pixel 2 because I can always fix colors and make the photo more vibrant. I can't add detail.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=ZUlCXzFZZm05WXpKbzNNd0JDdU95SElRNzZEM0pn
Link doesn't work for me. Maybe you have to give permission? Or maybe you're fixing something?
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The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.
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I have watched at least a dozen youtube videos on this very subject this morning and they were pretty consistent in their findings. Google and its software ( HDR+ ) is the "high dynamic range" king. Long live the king. And this lead in this respect, over the competitors will get a very large boost when Orea 8.1 turns "on" that mystery, extra ( full soc inside the pixel ) dedicated to video processing. I'm guessing the number crunching will go down from a second to a small fraction of a second. Now LG and its hardware ( f1.6 and glass lens ) is the king of pulling detail. Go figure. The bottom line is that google cannot improve its hardware. That's fixed and static. But new LG software ( or software from other sources ) can very much improve the V30's ability to make a "auto" shot . . . Most all comparison videos did NOT put the 1K wonder at the top of anything.
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And what do the serious photography nuts have to say ?
yeah, forgot to turn on sharing. Fixed now.
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I have watched at least a dozen youtube videos on this very subject this morning and they were pretty consistent in their findings. Google and its software ( HDR+ ) is the "high dynamic range" king. Long live the king. And this lead in this respect, over the competitors will get a very large boost when Orea 8.1 turns "on" that mystery, extra ( full soc inside the pixel ) dedicated to video processing. I'm guessing the number crunching will go down from a second to a small fraction of a second. Now LG and its hardware ( f1.6 and glass lens ) is the king of pulling detail. Go figure. The bottom line is that google cannot improve its hardware. That's fixed and static. But new LG software ( or software from other sources ) can very much improve the V30's ability to make a "auto" shot . . . Most all videos did NOT put the 1K wonder at the top of anything.
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I agree with you, but the problem is the track record of LG is not that of fixing it to become the best it could be. The best hardware can suck without the proper software or a company that wants to put it as a priority to make it the best it can be. In most of the shots I took the LG had the least amount of detail (except in one low light shot where it was 2nd to Pixel in detail, look at top of soap dispensor). Now of course this is in full auto mode. I'm guessing that with manual mode the outcome might be different. However, I don't have time to mess with manual mode for 99% of my photos.
I wish LG could get the camera to be on par in auto mode with the Pixel or X because I love the phone so much. The camera and frequency of updates are the only real things lacking (for me) to make it a near perfect phone.
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I edited and pasted it again. should work.
I need more examples..... Would you mind a few dozen more of the beauty in pink?
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I need more examples..... Would you mind a few dozen more of the beauty in pink?
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lol, I'll get right on that.
wish there was a watermark stating which photo was from which camera.
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Looks like the Detroit Borg house...
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Looks like the Detroit Borg house...
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not even sure what that is. But whatever, was not about subject but quality. LOL
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wish there was a watermark stating which photo was from which camera.
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no need. in photos website on PC (which is how you should look at this to really tell quality) you can have it open all the time on the right hand side by clicking info icon and see which photos were taken with which phone. Why waste so much time watermarking and then if you want to be totally unbiased and pick best one before you know just close info box.
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low light - Pixel 2 - just grabbed better detail in the photos (The one with the helicopter was VERY low light, just a crack in the door letting a little light in)
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Bull****. Why do you do that, mate? Why do you so hate V30? Look at the picture of cat, V30 photo has tons more details than blurry smudgy stuff from P2XL. And helicopter is not relevant @ all, have you looked on what camera was it taken? Oh, yeah you took it on wide angle camera with F/1.9 but telling us that Pixel 2 XL captures more details in the dark, how funny.
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Bull****. Why do you do that, mate? Why do you so hate V30? Look at the picture of cat, V30 photo has tons more details than blurry smudgy stuff from P2XL. And helicopter is not relevant @ all, have you looked on what camera was it taken? Oh, yeah you took it on wide angle camera with F/1.9 but telling us that Pixel 2 XL captures more details in the dark, how funny.
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Nice catch. I didn't see that.
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Bull****. Why do you do that, mate? Why do you so hate V30? Look at the picture of cat, V30 photo has tons more details than blurry smudgy stuff from P2XL. And helicopter is not relevant @ all, have you looked on what camera was it taken? Oh, yeah you took it on wide angle camera with F/1.9 but telling us that Pixel 2 XL captures more details in the dark, how funny.
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You are all bent out of shape for nothing. No bias here. I actually use the v30 as my daily phone. Pixel 2 XL sitting on my desk with no sim card in it because I like it more. (I use the Pixel on weekends when I'll be using the camera more). I took both wide angle and normal lens with each photo.(tried to). Now the cat did move in one shot causing blur which is normal and understandable at that shutter speed. I did not notice it until I was done and it was too late to reshoot. The helicopter was an oversight. I must've missed taking with regular lens.
I'm not saying the V30 is bad. All 3 are good. I want the V30 to be as good as the Pixel, I REALLY DO! Because this phone feels awesome in my hand compared to the Pixel and has better features. I'm just telling you from the experience of using both that the Pixel is a better camera and MUCH FASTER shutter. V30 can have shutter lag at times. It did capture more detail in some photos than iPhone as well. So it would be a close tie for second with iPhone. The X and Pixel were just faster snapping (no shutter lag) the photos on a whole. Noticeably.
I'm hoping the Oreo update will improve a few things on the V30 making it my perfect phone. Fingers crossed.
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Bull****. Why do you do that, mate? Why do you so hate V30? Look at the picture of cat, V30 photo has tons more details than blurry smudgy stuff from P2XL. And helicopter is not relevant @ all, have you looked on what camera was it taken? Oh, yeah you took it on wide angle camera with F/1.9 but telling us that Pixel 2 XL captures more details in the dark, how funny.
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For more evidence check out this album as well. I'm sorry but the V30 is not on par with Pixel camera, especially in low light. Speaking in auto mode...not manual. Might get more even then but I rarely have time to manually adjust a scene.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=eldxSWxuRlF5b2ZvN09hVFZHVDQ3Q3VUU2RxZUxR
bitwiser said:
You are all bent out of shape for nothing. No bias here. I actually use the v30 as my daily phone. Pixel 2 XL sitting on my desk with no sim card in it because I like it more. (I use the Pixel on weekends when I'll be using the camera more). I took both wide angle and normal lens with each photo.(tried to). Now the cat did move in one shot causing blur which is normal and understandable at that shutter speed. I did not notice it until I was done and it was too late to reshoot. The helicopter was an oversight. I must've missed taking with regular lens.
I'm not saying the V30 is bad. All 3 are good. I want the V30 to be as good as the Pixel, I REALLY DO! Because this phone feels awesome in my hand compared to the Pixel and has better features. I'm just telling you from the experience of using both that the Pixel is a better camera and MUCH FASTER shutter. V30 can have shutter lag at times. It did capture more detail in some photos than iPhone as well. So it would be a close tie for second with iPhone. The X and Pixel were just faster snapping (no shutter lag) the photos on a whole. Noticeably.
I'm hoping the Oreo update will improve a few things on the V30 making it my perfect phone. Fingers crossed.
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For more evidence check out this album as well. I'm sorry but the V30 is not on par with Pixel camera, especially in low light. Speaking in auto mode...not manual. Might get more even then but I rarely have time to manually adjust a scene.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=eldxSWxuRlF5b2ZvN09hVFZHVDQ3Q3VUU2RxZUxR
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Shutter lag is probably my biggest gripe with this camera. One thing I've noticed with the Pixel is that in dark images, there tends to be a lot more noise (such as in the picture of your round plant) than the V30. I see this also when using the camera port. The GCam will give me very noisy images in low light.
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I'm not saying the V30 is bad. All 3 are good. I want the V30 to be as good as the Pixel, I REALLY DO!
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But it is! People may think that V30 is bad based on the heli photo that's why I corrected and clarified that.
And, about shutter lag, do you use HDR in auto setting in V30 photo settings? It's well known for LG G4, V20, G6, V30 line up that when HDR is auto or ON and indoors scene it'll cause shutter to lag. Turn HDR off, that's all. It would provide even for better low light pix as well
bitwiser said:
MUCH FASTER shutter. V30 can have shutter lag at times. It did capture more detail in some photos than iPhone as well. So it would be a close tie for second with iPhone. The X and Pixel were just faster snapping (no shutter lag) the photos on a whole. Noticeably.
I'm hoping the Oreo update will improve a few things on the V30 making it my perfect phone. Fingers crossed.
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Oreo has nothing to do with shutter lag, it's hardware based so no updates will never improve shutter speed of V30. If shutter lag a top priority issue you may just return V30 to LG and forget it. It's video phone mostly, not point-and-snap. The Pixel 2 XL and probably iPhones have all Zero Shutter Lag based on the fact that it's sensors have
integrated RAM buffer where photos are stacked constantly. And when you press shutter camera simply fetch for already made and stored in RAM picture. It's already there. It's simple as that (of course it's more complicated but the point is that). But LG phones or Samsung phones still don't have such ram buffers hence shutter lags
hachiroku said:
wish there was a watermark stating which photo was from which camera.
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You can easily tell which photos were taken with which camera. When I open in Chrome, the information is right there.
Click on the "i" in the upper right hand corner.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
keithleger said:
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Another question, 20171104_154418 size is 2.8 Mb , 20171104_154159 size is 1.66Mb. May I ask what sizes are of them in V30 drive in reality or you just posted them to photos.google.com and deleted originals? Because 16 Mpix matrix can't produce just 2.8Mb under sunlight, it's not possible. Thing is V30 photos have Picasa named in it's programs, so when it was uploaded it simply was compressed by Picasa stripping of any details and fine lines.
Billy Madison said:
Another question, 20171104_154418 size is 2.8 Mb , 20171104_154159 size is 1.66Mb. May I ask what sizes are of them in V30 drive in reality or you just posted them to photos.google.com and deleted originals? Because 16 Mpix matrix can't produce just 2.8Mb under sunlight, it's not possible. Thing is V30 photos have Picasa named in it's programs, so when it was uploaded it simply was compressed by Picasa stripping of any details and fine lines.
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I've not altered them. That is the size backed up directly to google photos from the V30 (auto backup) unless Google must be doing some sort of compression. Size on the phone is 6.34mb. It would do that to all of them though, wouldn't it? iphone x too.