switch my 6p for the 10 - HTC 10 Questions & Answers

switch my 6p for the 10 - HTC 10 Questions & Answers

Anyone done this ?
Been offered a swap for my 6p,
I'm relatively happy with the 6p apart from the crappy battery and most Devs moving onto the pixel.
How good is the camera in comparison and video?

nope performance is not faster than 6P.
camera cant beat 6p.

keaheng said:
nope performance is not faster than 6P.
camera cant beat 6p.
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Lol

If you are used to Nexus devices better switch to Pixel.
Tbh Ive used a lot of phones and the pictures and videos Ive made with them in the last years are all good.
If you want outstanding picture or video quality you have to use a DSLR or Video Camera.
But I would send that ugly brick called 6p to hell and use anything but it.

I'm gonna copy my experience I wrote this morning from another thread:
- Design and Build Quality:
The design is better on the HTC 10. It feels great in your hands, and it's a really solid little tank, seeming to be way more robust than the 6P. The 6P was well built, but I wouldn't say it was top notch (gaps between display glass and frame, camera visor, etc.) - Whereas I would consider the HTC 10 to be one of the best built phones I ever held in my hands. Really. Worth to note are the fantastic buttons and their Layout, which wasn't great on the 6P. Also, the size is simply perfect for my hands. I don't miss the size of the 6P, the HTC feels especially better in one hand and never feels too small to me. By the way:
<- This is straight Nokia 3310 quality and it definitely feels like that.
- Display:
Where I was the most sceptical about was the Display. I sweared to me to never buy a phone without an AMOLED display again, since the black levels on my last iPhone 6 and f.e. one of my older HTC M7 were straight horrible. Light grey, to be precise. And I just can't stand that. I gotta say, that I'm still insanely surprised about the HTC 10s display. You would almost think that it has actually an AMOLED display since the colors pop and shine. It's not as unnatural as the 6Ps display, I would say it's overall more appealing than the AMOLED one (what I didn't expect at all). Also the black levels: in darker rooms, they seem to be dark grey, which is fantastic. You won't notice the not-black-to-black-bezel until you really focus on it.
- Sound Quality:
The 6P was (especially with some EX tweaking) way, way louder while the HTC 10 is clearer and sounds more 'full' and also warmer, especially in near field, f.e. while laying in bed and watching videos our listening to music. But when you want to fill a bigger room or want to 'party' outside, you definitely need some Bluetooth speakers - it was possible with the 6Ps volume, tho.
- Camera:
The app is without a doubt so much better than the Google camera. The auto point and shoot mode isnt nearly as good as the 6Ps (I miss the Auto HDR mode in darker situations that made photos so much noiseless), but with at least some easy tweaking (EV), you get some great quality photos that CAN come out way better and more interesting than out of the 6Ps camera. Not to mention the fantastic manual mode... Oh boy! OIS on both cameras is a great thing, and the selfie camera also is a great to have thing, since it is really, really good.
- Battery life:
Yes, the battery life... I was surprised, but I can also assure you that it was and is - out of the box - so much better than the Nexus 6Ps. I still can't find out why, but the 6P gave me like ~3h SOT at max, even with some Kernel tweaking. With the HTC 10, I get like 4-5h at least, and I never had problems to get through 2 busy days. I am sure that their is some more potential, when you notice some people in the Battery Life Thread having more than 7h SOT. That was the biggest Wow factor and surprise to me.
- OS:
Hell, I don't miss stock Android. Not. A. Little. I would go even further and say that HTC did the best interpretation of Android with their Sense UI so far. It feels like stock Android in every way, but the feature set is so much better, you honestly need to experience it. Camera app, Display settings, Sound tweaking, Display gestures, Night light, some great HTC Widgets and Apps (which you won't even notice if you don't use them), etc. etc. It's just really well thought and implemented, and I gotta salute HTC for doing such a great job of adding features while maintaining the stock Android feeling. Did I mention the performance is also incredible and better (yes, better) than the 6Ps? It just feels more fluid and quick when you actually use it. In every situation. The 6P sadly had some let downs, not bad, but they occured sometimes. Maybe due to the SD810.
If you want to know anything else, just tell me.
All in all, it was definitely worth it. At least to me. I owned 3 Nexus devices so far: Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 5 and Nexus 6P. I don't regret it a single day. Considering the price of about 400€ for a HTC 10 and the disaster the Pixel actually is (Price, Design - Seriously, it looks like a fat plastic phone for 9 years olds), I can just recommend the same for you. If you want to mod, you can mod easily, but once again, I didn't even root the 10 and it still is an amazing phone, since it's truely feature rich. It has no true weaknesses, unlike the Nexus 6P. It feels way better and more safe in your hand, unlike the 6P. It's way more solid and simply a beauty.
You can't go wrong with it. But it really depends on what you actually want to do with and expect from your phone.
Oh, and switching over to the 10 is fine. Sense UI looks and feels like Android, even more, it feels like what (Stock) Android should really be. The tweaks and features HTC implemented are great. And again: if you want it like stock Android, you can have it like stock Android - just don't use the (hidden) HTC stuff. This might be the only thing you will regret tho. :d

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HTC Desire Eye mini review

So, I picked up a Desire Eye on launch day. I feel like I was one of the few people intrigued by this device when it was announced. Since then, it has received almost zero attention: Few reviews, no posts on XDA, very little buzz on the internet in general. So, if you're even remotely considering this device and want a little info, here's a personal perspective from someone who bought the phone.
Disclaimer: I have owned dozens of flagship phones over the last several years. I'm also quite a fan of Sense UI and HTC in general. I did not buy this phone for the front facing camera. I don't care about selfies, so I'm probably not the target audience. I really just wanted an M8 with a better camera.
Display
The display is probably my one gripe about the device so far. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it looks washed out to me. When I first turned it on in the store, it immediately looked dull. A lot of the HTC wallpapers and themes are a sort of pastel, so it's really hard to tell, but next to my iPhone 6 Plus, and even a Windows M8 in the store, it just doesn't look as vibrant as I'd expect. Compared to my Note 4, it looks positively depressing, but that's to be expected. That said, it does get plenty bright. I just wish I still had my M8 to compare it with because I swear the M8 had more contrast and vibrance.
Camera
My only real beef with the M8 was the camera, mainly the low megapixel count which made cropping nearly impossible. It also had trouble with exposure and focus. I was really hoping that they fixed that with this phone. I know it's not their flagship and is, in fact, marketed as mid range, but it's really just an M8 with a different build and cameras. I have taken quite a few photo samples and compared them online to the Z3 Compact, iPhone 6 Plus, OnePlus One, G3, and Note 4. There is definitely more detail and you can crop in much further than the M8, but it still gets soft when you do. I also noticed the same issues with exposure. If you're not careful about where you tap to focus, you'll get a blown out sky or dark subject. Focus is fast, but not always accurate. It sometimes blurs the subject instead of the background. Definitely not on par with the focusing systems found in the Note 4 and iPhone 6 Plus. Colors are good, if not great. They lean toward the warmer and more vibrant side, which I personally prefer. Overall, it's an upgrade over the M8 and on par with phones like the OnePlus One and G3, at least in my testing.
Build
I know a lot of people are fans of metal, but there are advantages and disadvantages to metal and plastic. The advantages here are water resistance and weight. This is a light phone and it feels good in the hand. Coming from my Note 4, it is significantly lighter and easier to hold. It's also fairly grippy. I don't feel the need for a case. My one complaint about build is the size. This thing is big. It's nearly as big as the iPhone 6 Plus and Note 4, which is kind of sad when you consider the 5.2" screen. Part of this is the 13mp front-facing camera. Part is the speakers, even though the grills are much smaller this time around. They still needed that blank "HTC" strip on the front for components and that adds to the overall size. The camera shutter button is very difficult to press. I only see using this thing under water. If you try to use it for normal pictures, you'll get blur because the phone will move when you try to press it. I find this to be a problem on a lot of phones with dedicated shutter buttons, but it's much more pronounced here.
Battery
My other primary concern with this phone was battery. It's the same internals as the M8 with a bigger screen and a smaller battery. While disappointing, so far it's not as bad as I expected. It seems to be about on par with the M8, though I'm not sure how. Standby time is pretty good (in my limited testing so far) and it doesn't drain horribly fast when the screen is on. Since HTC doesn't show screen on time and I had to install GSAM, I don't have any screen on results yet, but I will be testing that over the next few days.
Performance
This is the reason to get an HTC phone, in my opinion. Sense and stock Android are easily the fastest, best performing versions of Android, in my experience. But Sense brings some nice enhancements to the table that I think are worth it over stock Android. There's no lag or delay anywhere on the phone so far. Everything is fast and fluid. It makes my Note 4 look positively slow. Just the gallery lag on the Note 4 alone is enough to drive someone mad. HTC is doing it right. I'm actually a fan of Blinkfeed, too, though I know other people hate it. Since the introduction of Blinkfeed, I almost always end up putting a widget on my left most homescreen of every other Android phone that gives me a full page of news, though nothing quite compares to HTC's solution. I like their enhancements to the gallery, contacts, etc. Very nice overall experience.
Misc.
1. Minor annoyance, but the stock email client makes you tap to show images on every HTML email. Since I actually use it, it's kind of annoying. I wish they would at least give an option in the settings to "always show".
2. Some of the camera features are really need, like face merge and photo strip. I do miss slow motion video and 4k recording, though.
3. Internal storage is only 16gb. You have a little over 9 free out of the box. This is the only other con to this phone, in my opinion.
4. I'm a pretty big fan of the screen on gestures. I basically never have to use the power button. And now we can launch straight into the camera, too.
5. I received an update yesterday and it auto installed. There's no info anywhere on what it was. The phone just rebooted and installed with no warning.
6. There is a ton of bloatware on this thing (AT&T). Seriously, brace yourselves. It's even more insulting with only 16gb to start with.
7. Bootloader is unlockable at HTC Dev so, there's at least hope that we'll get root soon. The main issue will be S-Off, as usual. But I really only want/need root.
8. The front-facing speakers are every bit as good as you'd expect, despite the water resistant membrane and smaller grills. It's pretty impressive how small and unnoticeable they are.
Wrap Up
Overall, I really like the device. My main concerns are camera quality and battery life, which I will continue to test. I really like the user experience overall, though, and it's one of my favorite phones of the year. I don't think this phone is really getting the attention it deserves. Even the tech bloggers seem to be ignoring it. I hope this helps anyone who's on the fence about this phone and/or looking for more information.

Obligatory Camera Samples
Here are some camera samples. XDA is compressing them, but you get the idea.

Thanks for the review and photos. The camera was better than what I was expecting from the sensor HTC is using, to be honest. The only downside from what I've read in your review is the screen: while I don't like oversatured screens, I also don't appreciate "dark" screens (it hasn't to do with brightness, but with the white tone).
Regarding the speakers, I know you don't have a M8 to compare, but do you notice much of a difference between the devices?
Can you please confirm that it has MHL and it works?

For what it's worth, I held my One M8 side by side with a Desire Eye in store and compared the screens while displaying the same images and websites. They looked pretty much exactly the same to me other than a slight difference in size. Didn't think it looked dull. Of course, the lighting in AT&T was pretty harsh so it wasn't the best environment for comparison. Maybe you just got used to the super punchy over saturated colors of the Note 4?

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For what it's worth, I held my One M8 side by side with a Desire Eye in store and compared the screens while displaying the same images and websites. They looked pretty much exactly the same to me other than a slight difference in size. Didn't think it looked dull. Of course, the lighting in AT&T was pretty harsh so it wasn't the best environment for comparison. Maybe you just got used to the super punchy over saturated colors of the Note 4?
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That's actually what I was thinking too. Not a bad display by any means.

Thank you for this mini review! Really helpful.
Could you please state in which degree you can use the phone with one hand?
Would it feel closer to the use of a One M8/Galaxy S5/LG G2 or would it compare more to a One Plus One / Iphone 6 Plus (which is for me slightly to big).
The 5.2 inch of the LG G2 is of perfect size, but that phone had way smaller bezzels, so this is in fact something that scares me of the HTC desire EYE.

Waarez said:
Thank you for this mini review! Really helpful.
Could you please state in which degree you can use the phone with one hand?
Would it feel closer to the use of a One M8/Galaxy S5 or would it compare more to a One Plus One / Iphone 6 Plus (which is for me slightly to big).
The 5.2 inch of the LG G2 were perfect.. but this phone had way smaller bezzels, so this is what scares me of the one M8.
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It's definitely closer to the OnePlus One or iphone 6 Plus size wise, but it is MUCH lighter, which does make it easier to handle with one hand. Unless you have gorilla hands, though, you definitely won't be able to reach all four corners of the screen with one hand.
It's tall, rather than wide.

I got the Desire EYE in the mail 2 days ago, it's a really good phone, really fast, takes nice pictures, overall I'm happy about it, the only downside about it is the internal storage, it has like 7 gb out of the 16 dedicated to the OS and stock apps... But other than that, really good phone!

To start off, I will say I am a big HTC fan. I talked about 7 people into buying the One M8 over the S5 this year. I love Sense, Blinkfeed and the snappiness of their devices. I have since sold my One M8 earlier this summer, around May, and have been jumping around to different devices. I strayed from the One M8 mostly due to the camera and the fact that I like to try the latest and greatest devices. I have been using an iPhone 6 since it launched. When I saw the Desire Eye was announced, I got excited. I was really hoping for an M8 Eye, which I think would have been the perfect smartphone for 2014, but this was almost as good. I picked one of these up on Friday at an AT&T store. The guy kind of looked at me funny when I said I wanted one, I don't think he was trained on the device or knew what it was. I didn't open it until Saturday night, but in the store, when playing with it, the first thing I said was, this screen looks washed out. I think it has something to do with the default theme, when I changed it back to one of the same Sense stock themes on the One M8, it didn't look as bad. It is something to do with that pink color they are using. I am torn on the device, it is like 2 steps forward, a couple steps back. I didn't like the first few indoor pictures without flash I took of my 3 month old daughter, so I switched back to the iPhone 6 yesterday because it was her baptism and I didn't want to miss any shots, or risk them coming out badly. One thing that Apple knows is how to make a camera that focuses fast and gives you good pictures. The Boom Sound is also a bit of a disappointment. The bass and clarity seems to be lacking compared to the M8. I played some Vevo music videos on the demo models in store. I am currently thinking about trying to find a second hand M8 Google Play Edition in mint condition (so I have full T-Mobile support for the $30 SIM I have for my play phone line), and keep either it or the Eye and my iPhone 6.
Y2J

Thanks for the review!
The camera doesn't seem bad but for some reason i was expecting it to have a bit more "wow" factor, don't know why and they the shots seem good enough.
You mentioned no-slow motion (i had actually talked about this in the other thread) and the info i read was that it didn't have. However, i was just watching a video review of the desire eye and in the settings i noticed the slow motion icon and the review actually pressed it and it sayed it was slow motion (its an italian video, i actually looked it up to see the translation lol). It was in the camera interface under the " ... " icon and on the modes (it usually says auto) it has the slow motion icon/cartoon - Here is the video @ 11:45
Still no mention of 4k, so that is not from stock but maybe with a mod.

griffin_1 said:
Thanks for the review!
The camera doesn't seem bad but for some reason i was expecting it to have a bit more "wow" factor, don't know why and they the shots seem good enough.
You mentioned no-slow motion (i had actually talked about this in the other thread) and the info i read was that it didn't have. However, i was just watching a video review of the desire eye and in the settings i noticed the slow motion icon and the review actually pressed it and it sayed it was slow motion (its an italian video, i actually looked it up to see the translation lol). It was in the camera interface under the " ... " icon and on the modes (it usually says auto) it has the slow motion icon/cartoon - Here is the video @ 11:45
Still no mention of 4k, so that is not from stock but maybe with a mod.
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I don't see a slow motion option anywhere in the settings. The only video options are for the resolution (MMS, 1080, etc). One thing they did do right, though, is put the video record button back on the main interface full time next to the camera shutter button. They were crazy to ever take that away.
Quality is okay. It's about on par with the OnePlus One and G3, in my testing. Most of the shots I took were on an overcast day, so not the best testing environment, but overall I think it's acceptable. I think I'd still grab my Note 4 or iPhone 6 Plus if I was going somewhere to take a lot of pictures, but I don't feel like I'm carrying around a bad camera when I have this phone.

griffin_1 said:
Thanks for the review!
The camera doesn't seem bad but for some reason i was expecting it to have a bit more "wow" factor, don't know why and they the shots seem good enough.
You mentioned no-slow motion (i had actually talked about this in the other thread) and the info i read was that it didn't have. However, i was just watching a video review of the desire eye and in the settings i noticed the slow motion icon and the review actually pressed it and it sayed it was slow motion (its an italian video, i actually looked it up to see the translation lol). It was in the camera interface under the " ... " icon and on the modes (it usually says auto) it has the slow motion icon/cartoon - Here is the video @ 11:45
Still no mention of 4k, so that is not from stock but maybe with a mod.
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Okay, I was totally wrong about slow motion. I just found the option. It was not where I expected, but I'm stoked to see that it's there!

Great Slow motion on htc is good, at least if its like on the m8. I think only htc and sony in Android lets you record 120fps and then edit what parts to slow down, which is how slow motion should be. Glad to see its there and websites like gsmarena should mention it and update the specs info with that.

battery update?

G1_enthusiast said:
battery update?
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Battery is really good for the capacity. Idle drain with my apps and setting was about 3%/hr. With the screen on, it does seem to lose battery pretty fast, but I was still able to get about 10-13 hours of use with around 3 hours screen time. That's not much worse than most of my other phones do, actually.
I would post screenshots, but I no longer have the phone. As much as I really liked it, I just couldn't live with the camera quality. I was really hoping for better. But if camera isn't your #1 priority, this is a great all around phone. Camera is definitely better than phones like the Moto X. I was just hoping for closer to Note 4/iPhone quality.

How do the camera quality and pictures compare to Samsung S4 or S5?
Thanks.

struff said:
How do the camera quality and pictures compare to Samsung S4 or S5?
Thanks.
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My mom has the S5 And I prefer the Eye´s camera, It´s just... sharper and more clear.

sidle said:
My mom has the S5 And I prefer the Eye´s camera, It´s just... sharper and more clear.
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I'm going to politely however completely disagree. There's no comparison. S5 is one of the best cameras you can get.
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robstunner said:
I'm going to politely however completely disagree. There's no comparison. S5 is one of the best cameras you can get.
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And yet, I like this one more.
Front HTC Desire Eye:
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/143110-image/HTC-Desire-EYE.jpg
Front Galaxy S5:
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/143127-image/Samsung-Galaxy-S5.jpg
Back HTC Desire Eye:
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/143113-image/HTC-Desire-EYE.jpg
Back Galaxy S5:
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/143130-image/Samsung-Galaxy-S5.jpg
Let the photo's speak for themselves. The HTC Desire Eye clearly wins this battle, or even HTC in general. The S5 is litteraly crap in low to medium-light area's.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Firs...-HTC-One-M8-and-the-Samsung-Galaxy-S5_id61506

Fair enough, but in better lighting the s5 proves much better and rarely overexposed the pictures.

Anyone upgrading from Nexus 6P?

I'm really thinking about getting this phone, but would like to hear some opinions on people who made the switch from the Nexus 6P. Can anyone give some input on that? Thanks!

I have the nexus 6p and will be getting the htc 10 since I have always had an htc phone. Will keep the 6p though. Just waiting on the carbon gray htc 10 for verizon.

I did. Love the smaller size, much better build quality and feels a whole lot more solid. Sense is pretty nice too.

I want to try something new from my 6P although I really don't need to. At first I was considering the S7E, G5, and now the 10. Each phone has its pro's and con's... but the 10 seems to be the most enticing overall. The only thing that would make it perfect for me were if it were actually front facing speakers, OLED, and a little bigger screen size... but other than that, I think it'll be a great phone. Maybe I'll enjoy the smaller footprint.
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I did. Love the smaller size, much better build quality and feels a whole lot more solid. Sense is pretty nice too.
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I only got to listen to the speakers in a VZW store. How do they stack up to the 6P? Also, how is the screen brightness and contrast? I'm hoping the contrast is at least as good as the LG G5.

Bought my 6P early April, i returned it on the 12th just after the 10 was announced
what i liked?
Decent Screen,
Decent Battery life,
Dev support & software
Fast charging
Front facing speakers
camera? (good but no 1080*60 recording was a downfall)
Why i returned it?
Headset volume I listen to music via 24/7 the headphone jack dac was poor, the max volume was low( even while rooted with elemental x kernel, power amp etc)
Size, i had no issues holding it & got used to the size pretty fast coming from the 4'7 m7 however it felt uncomfortable in my pocket while sitting down, i was constantly checking to make sure it wasn't falling out.
Build. IT felt cheap for a metal phone, it didn't feel as soild as my m7, i was paranoid regarding the bending around the power button
Price, wasn't really competitive at the time of purchase £449 vs £513 for HTC 10

Always been a fan of HTC and I loved my M8 but the camera was horrible and battery life was meh.
Going from the Moto X Pure to the Nexus 6P felt like a big difference in overall quality. And then I got my hands on the HTC 10 and it completely blows the 6P out of the water in my personal opinion.

I switched from a Nexus 6P to the HTC 10 and definitely prefer the 10 overall. Like Diz said, the audio quality of the 10 is MUCH better than the 6P, in both Bluetooth and with headphones. The 6P really gets spanked by the 10 in this area.
The size of the 10 is much better for me. It's totally a personal preference, of course, but the 6P was just way too big for my hands.
Battery life has been fine for me so far. It gets me through a day without having to recharge. When I do recharge with the QuickCharge 3.0 charger, it charges fast! My 10 was at 34% battery the other night, I put it on the charger and it indicated the phone would be fully charged in 30 minutes. :good:
Build quality of the 10 feels great, it's a very nice, solid-feeling phone.
I've been fine with the Sense skin, even as a guy who prefers stock Android. I just hope HTC will do timely updates for this phone as time goes on.
Fingerprint scanner has worked fine for me. I think it's a tad slower than the one on the 6P, but nothing to fuss about, IMHO.
Overall, I personally haven't found any major issues with the 10. When I pre-ordered it, I wasn't sure if I'd prefer it to the 6P or not, but I'm glad I decided to give it a try. I really like the phone and have made it my daily driver, while my 6P will now be sitting on my desk as my emergency backup phone.

The screen color is a lot better than 6p. However I think the camera is better on 6p. When you are taking the pic on the 10 it looks great, but right as I click the button it seems like the still is not as great. Idk it's weird. But I prefer the size. I love the thinness of the 6p but it was too long for me. I prefer the HTC UI overall.

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The screen color is a lot better than 6p. However I think the camera is better on 6p. When you are taking the pic on the 10 it looks great, but right as I click the button it seems like the still is not as great. Idk it's weird. But I prefer the size. I love the thinness of the 6p but it was too long for me. I prefer the HTC UI overall.
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The camera sensors are the same. HTC is just having trouble getting the exposure correct. Everything else is pretty solid. In the meantime, I'd recommend just using Pro mode to slightly tweaked the shots. You will get better pictures than the 6P guaranteed - f/1.8, OIS, and more manual control will make this the best camera on a mobile device yet. How so? The 6P wins a lot of contests already. As mentioned, the HTC 10 can only improve upon that.

I have both, basically the size of the 6P is what did it for me. Too huge... And I don't like amoled
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I have both and currently the 6P takes better pictures and this is after the HTC update.
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I also switched from a 6p. On the 6p I was having trouble with Bluetooth and the phone got really slow for whatever reason.. On top of that I prefer a smaller phone and the 4gb ram does make a difference. So far so good with the htc 10, the camera is pretty much the same. I wish they would update the quick settings but besides that it's a winner.
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Thanks for the input guys, hearing so many positive things. I think I will give it a try.

Ditto to everyone concerning the size. Much, much better everyday phone as it now actually fits in my pocket.
In terms of screen, I still prefer AMOLED to the LCD panel on the 10. Regardless, the 10's is still great.

I'm going to be a dissenting vote. I now have both and I think I'll be returning the 10. The size of the 6P was bugging me and I loved my M7 (I've kept it as a backup for the last several phones I've had) so I bit the bullet and preordered. Have had it for a few days now.
Now don't get me wrong, the 10 is a fantastic phone - every good thing that has been said about it is true. Build quality is amazing, camera is great, speedy, the boomsound is good, Sense is much better now, etc. However, there are a few things that are bugging me enough to return it.
1. Purely a matter of preference, but I like the AMOLED better than the LCD.
2. The green/amber only LED is annoying. I color code contacts so that I can tell who I have texts, etc. from without turning on the screen in meetings. Not an option with the 10.
3. Bluetooth issues with my car - unlike the four other phones I've had with this car, the 10 won't sync contacts. It will show the last several calls, but only as numbers, not names. Apparently this has been a problem with several HTCs and particularly German cars. I finally solved it, mostly, by installing the Google phone and contacts APKs from APK Mirror. Now the contacts appear, but there are random, weird duplicates. Must be something unique to the HTC dialer/people apps.
4. When I use voice typing over bluetooth, the audio in the car doesn't pause, unlike with 3 of the last four phones I've had.
5. Shockingly, I've gotten so used to the screen size of the 6P that the 5.2" screen seems unnaturally small! I'm sure I would get back used to it over time.
Most or all of these are personal preferences or things that are particular to my situation and are not meant as general criticisms of the phone.

I have both a 6P and a 10 and I like the 10 much more... Except for the performance. I expected it with the 820 and near stock android skin it would fly, but just going into settings and scrolling down all the way in one flick shows dropped frames etc. In apps ( Especially weather timeline) I see scrolling much smoother on the 6P. Really surprising. I'm thinking of returning the 10 and getting either the exynos S7 or LG G5 because I also had the G5 and that was hands down the fastest phone I've ever used.

I have an opportunity to buy a 6p 64gb silver for 390$ brand new but I also don't know because I kind of want the 10 :\

Izzy52 said:
I have both a 6P and a 10 and I like the 10 much more... Except for the performance. I expected it with the 820 and near stock android skin it would fly, but just going into settings and scrolling down all the way in one flick shows dropped frames etc. In apps ( Especially weather timeline) I see scrolling much smoother on the 6P. Really surprising. I'm thinking of returning the 10 and getting either the exynos S7 or LG G5 because I also had the G5 and that was hands down the fastest phone I've ever used.
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That's weird, you should try LeeDroid ROM.

Hmm have been using the 6p and now want to try the 10 simply because of the sd card slot. However am more concerned with the performance issue because the 6p is the smoothest phone I have ever used. Can anyone who made the switch please give an opinion on overall smoothness and scrolling please?

Is it worth to move form N5 to N5X now?

Hi
I know that there is a lot of similar threads, but I read it and still don't know what should I do.
Is is worth to move? I believe that there is a lot of people which moved from N5 to N5X.
In daily using is there any difference in smooth and performance?
Big plus for mi is Android N

To be honest with you, it's even a downgrade.
I moved from N5 to Xiaomi Mi4C and then to N5X (because I love to tinker around) and if the screen on my old Nexus 5 wouldn't be broken, I would go back to the Nexus 5 without hesitating and I would look forward to it.
1. The camera is utterly crap if you want to make close-up pictures, otherwise it's just okay.
2. The cpu is janky, it lags here and there even with encryption disabled and even with custom kernel and custom roms. I would often like to smash the phone against the wall because it takes so long to do basic tasks...
3. The cpu, it gets so hot I could burn my skin with it from time to time (hotspot + using your phone? Burn your fingers...). Even browsing and listening to music seems to stress the cpu that much that it heats up extremely. Custom kernel and custom rom do indeed improve it a bit, but the problem is still there and noticeable
4. The sound is really quiet/silent and as soon as you turn the volume up it gets distorted. Listening to music with just the phones speakers is a huge pain.
5. The battery life is miserable, okay compared to the N5 it's at least not worse and it will get better with Android N as I already tested out for a week.
Honestly, keep your N5 and wait until they release the new ones, but don't buy the N5X. You will be so disappointed by its performance.
You can get Android N on the N5 without any big problems via custom rom which will be probably released shortly after the final Android N version is released . It's no problem to flash it to the N5 and you won't loose warranty (which I guess is already over)
PS; Nobody has to tell me my N5X may be defective, the 3 workmates who bought the N5X as well are complaining constantly about those points as well.

creambyemute said:
2. The cpu is janky, it lags here and there even with encryption disabled and even with custom kernel and custom roms. I would often like to smash the phone against the wall because it takes so long to do basic tasks...
3. The cpu, it gets so hot I could burn my skin with it from time to time (hotspot + using your phone? Burn your fingers...). Even browsing and listening to music seems to stress the cpu that much that it heats up extremely. Custom kernel and custom rom do indeed improve it a bit, but the problem is still there and noticeable
PS; Nobody has to tell me my N5X may be defective, the 3 workmates who bought the N5X as well are complaining constantly about those points as well.
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Definitely agree on most of your points as a 5x owner. But i never had problems with my cpu like you do. My phone is heavily filled with apps and stuff and it doesn't lag at all. Sometimes it's a bit jerky here and there but that's it. And on point 3. nearly all the smartphones have that issue it's the build material that makes it feel so hot. if you take for example a samsung phone with the same cpu but their build quality with the glass and metal it will feel far less hot. but yeah wait for the new nexus!

It's a noticeable upgrade in just about every way from a N5 and worth the upgrade IMO.
After 8 months I've seen no performance issues with my 5x and the graphics performance (gaming) is 2x higher especially over long gaming runs as the graphical performance doesn't hit rock bottom like it did with the N5 after warming up.
The camera is top notch. Same camera as the Nexus 6p, you'll see only praise for it around the internet. No other phone camera comes close at this price range.
Heat generation is actually a huge improvement over the N5. The N5 could see skin temperatures up to 10C higher than the 5x, so if people think their 5x gets hot then they haven't ever used a N5. Here's an exert from one of the few review sites that tests for thermals, skin temperature specifically.
With idle temperatures of just over 25 °C, the Nexus 5X hardly heats up noticeably in idle mode. The handset is also unexpectedly cool under load despite the relatively strong SoC. The hottest spot measured reaches just 37.4 °C here - other premium smartphones often surpass 40 °C. The review sample can even shine with the lowest rates compared with its rivals.
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http://www.notebookcheck.net/Google-Nexus-5X-Smartphone-Review.155885.0.html
Size difference, the bigger screen is nice and even noticeable but the 5x is a lot taller than it needs to be so the N5 would win in total size and screen to bezel ratio.
External speaker. It sounds about the same but it gets 1 or 2 steps louder and facing forward is an improvement.
Back cover discolouration. My carbon black seems to get permanent smudges that can be seen under certain lighting conditions.

bokilz said:
Sometimes it's a bit jerky here and there but that's it. And on point 3. nearly all the smartphones have that issue it's the build material that makes it feel so hot.
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You may call that jerky, we call it laggy, janky whatever. But you do agree it's not as fluid as the N5? Or could you even ever compare the N5 to the N5X? It is by no means fluid and for me not an acceptable performance. My N5 runs rounds around the N5X when it's not about gaming. And exactly that is my point. Why is the N5 in basic tasks (Menu, browsing, scrolling, animations) faster than the N5X? I didn't expect a downgrade in everyday task performance and it hit me hard in the disappointment section.
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It's a noticeable upgrade in just about every way from a N5 and worth the upgrade IMO.
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It's just an upgrade if you are constantly playing games (performance wise). In the most basic tasks the N5 crushes the N5X performance. But the thread starter can decide that himself if he buys the N5X and I would really like to hear his opinion then after comparing the two devices
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The camera is top notch. Same camera as the Nexus 6p, you'll see only praise for it around the internet. No other phone camera comes close at this price range.
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Are you kidding? I agree the camera is better than the one found in N5 but my Mi4C took way better pictures than the N5X and several levels better when capturing some close distance shots (really close distance) and you know what? The Mi4C is cheaper.
I don't want to sound like the camera is bad in every aspect, but top notch is fanboy talk...
Actually whenever I wanted to take a close distance picture with an N5X I always ended up with the picture being blurred to the point I couldn't even recognize what should be on the picture :crying:.
Some people also say the Nexus 9 is a very good tablet whereas my mate and I who bought the devices together would call it the worst nexus product until now
Now let me mention some things I like about the N5X because I don't totally hate the device and I'm just so disappointed that the performance is worse than on the N5 in almost every situation.
- Screen: I already got several compliments that the screen is well calibrated and looks pretty good.
- USB C: It's positive as well as negative. I like the new connector, but all of my friends who don't have it hate it because they can't use my charger nor my cable
- Front facing speakers (just don't turn the volume up too much, otherwise the sound gets ****ty)
- Quick Charging: Absolutely love that! Helped me out in many situations where I just needed like 20-30% more charge to get through the day or the night.
- Screen gets activated when you lift the phone from the desk or out of your pocket, pretty convenient
- You'll maybe be able to access the notification tray and quick settings panel with the fingerprint scanner in Android N

So it is really worse performance N5X than N5 in daily using?
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So it is really worse performance N5X than N5 in daily using?
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I don't know if I would go that far. I feel like with my N5, I had to choose between a smooth experience or battery life. With the N5X it that isn't so much the case. That being said, there are times where this phone will lag on even the most simplest of tasks with no explanation or reason. It's beyond frustrating. At this point you're better off waiting for the new Nexus phones to come out and snagging one of those instead.

I would (am) wait(ing). I wouldn't even replace my N5, but it's showing problems with modem and gps. It's been suggested that our N5X is defective because of the jerky/lagging touch responsiveness. When it's placed next to the N5, the color calibration seems off. N5 has much whiter whites and just appears crisper than what I see on the 5X. The 5X belongs to hubby who doesn't care about the off-white tint, but he really dislikes the fact that touches have to be repeated even 3 times before they respond. I would try a custom kernel, but he doesn't want me messing with his phone. He doesn't use his phone for much. If the new phones don't meet my needs/wants, I'll get a 6P. It's a little big but haven't seen any other problems with the one we have.
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I would (am) wait(ing). I wouldn't even replace my N5, but it's showing problems with modem and gps. It's been suggested that our N5X is defective because of the jerky/lagging touch responsiveness. When it's placed next to the N5, the color calibration seems off. N5 has much whiter whites and just appears crisper than what I see on the 5X. The 5X belongs to hubby who doesn't care about the off-white tint, but he really dislikes the fact that touches have to be repeated even 3 times before they respond. I would try a custom kernel, but he doesn't want me messing with his phone. He doesn't use his phone for much. If the new phones don't meet my needs/wants, I'll get a 6P. It's a little big but haven't seen any other problems with the one we have.
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What you call "whiter white" is blue white and actually shows a bad calibration, just saying. If you prefer such color pallete then better go for samsung. Also there is an option in dev settings to "fix" it, though i have it disabled. No difference (unless you compare) in the day, while the blue white hurts my eyes in the night
Back to topic, stock 5x is a bit laggy but EX kernel with ghostpepper fixed that for me.
Battery is ok, similar to my G2 and people did not whine about that phone so i dont know why everyone is pissed with 5x
If someone (creambyemute ) believes that the camera is bad, then should get a eye surgery appointment soon. Just kidding, but you should tap your screen to focus at that distance/objec. If the blur persists just focus on something else and then back at your target
5x has great well-light photos, good low light ones, though no stabilizer so videos are shaky
All that being said new nexus phones should not be too far, so you might as well wait for them

For all the people complaining about daily performance... Just flash PA rom. Done. Phone is smooth now.

atomic339 said:
Hi
I know that there is a lot of similar threads, but I read it and still don't know what should I do.
Is is worth to move? I believe that there is a lot of people which moved from N5 to N5X.
In daily using is there any difference in smooth and performance?
Big plus for mi is Android N
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With the new Nexus phones coming out soon, I wouldn't upgrade to the 5X if I were you. I got my 5X when it first came out and I had a Nexus 5 before.
There are some improvements but nothing major despite a 2-yr gap. Better camera, better battery, better screen, but laggy and slow sometimes. I was kind of disappointed when I first got my 5X.
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You've waited this long with the N5, what's another 2 months for the next Nexus phones? Unless you can get some amazing deal and don't mind having 1 year old hardware, I suggest waiting.
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EeZeEpEe said:
You've waited this long with the N5, what's another 2 months for the next Nexus phones? Unless you can get some amazing deal and don't mind having 1 year old hardware, I suggest waiting.
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agreed
i suggested waiting too as the new nexus build quality is definitly going to be better then the 5X build quality. HTC is gonna make it this time according to various sources.

Giorgos Chatziioannou said:
What you call "whiter white" is blue white and actually shows a bad calibration, just saying. If you prefer such color pallete then better go for samsung. Also there is an option in dev settings to "fix" it, though i have it disabled. No difference (unless you compare) in the day, while the blue white hurts my eyes in the night
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I know all the commentary about the color palette/calibration/preference/true colors arguments which makes it a little difficult to determine if, in fact, one actually has a defective screen (as I had on my first N7 FLO which looked worse than my then current N7). I prefer the color tones on my N5. However, I did change to cool temperature option on the 5x, and I think it's more to my preference. I do like the amoled display on the 6P and think the samoled's are all right. It was big change from Galaxy Nexus to N4. Ultimately, it's all about the point you bring up (blue white hurts my eyes in the night). No two people see anything exactly the same way so all we can do is get what works for us. Actually, I prefer the displays on the ios devices, that and battery life, but that's it.
The pictures were taken with the N9 which no one can argue has a great camera; however, it shows the differences. One can also see that the 5x presents sharper images on the screen. I will say that I thought the 5 showed clearer text than the pics show. I'm sure someone (anyone) could have taken betters shots. The left pic is warmer display; the right is cooler.

ritchea said:
I know all the commentary about the color palette/calibration/preference/true colors arguments which makes it a little difficult to determine if, in fact, one actually has a defective screen (as I had on my first N7 FLO which looked worse than my then current N7). I prefer the color tones on my N5. However, I did change to cool temperature option on the 5x, and I think it's more to my preference. I do like the amoled display on the 6P and think the samoled's are all right. It was big change from Galaxy Nexus to N4. Ultimately, it's all about the point you bring up (blue white hurts my eyes in the night). No two people see anything exactly the same way so all we can do is get what works for us. Actually, I prefer the displays on the ios devices, that and battery life, but that's it.
The pictures were taken with the N9 which no one can argue has a great camera; however, it shows the differences. One can also see that the 5x presents sharper images on the screen. I will say that I thought the 5 showed clearer text than the pics show. I'm sure someone (anyone) could have taken betters shots. The left pic is warmer display; the right is cooler.
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Thus why i said that sammy phones are probably more in your alley, they also have a neutral color option if you feel like it too.
My friends like samsung so i have seen few of their phones and amoled is not really my cup, stunning colors but you can take picture of a bulb light room and it will be chock full of orange while the same picture on other phones looks white/yellow.
I heard that the s7 has not such aggressive saturation, but until i can meet with my friend to check his s7 edge i cant say for sure. I will update when that happens if you want

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You may call that jerky, we call it laggy, janky whatever. But you do agree it's not as fluid as the N5? Or could you even ever compare the N5 to the N5X? It is by no means fluid and for me not an acceptable performance. My N5 runs rounds around the N5X when it's not about gaming. And exactly that is my point. Why is the N5 in basic tasks (Menu, browsing, scrolling, animations) faster than the N5X? I didn't expect a downgrade in everyday task performance and it hit me hard in the disappointment section.
It's just an upgrade if you are constantly playing games (performance wise). In the most basic tasks the N5 crushes the N5X performance. But the thread starter can decide that himself if he buys the N5X and I would really like to hear his opinion then after comparing the two devices
Are you kidding? I agree the camera is better than the one found in N5 but my Mi4C took way better pictures than the N5X and several levels better when capturing some close distance shots (really close distance) and you know what? The Mi4C is cheaper.
I don't want to sound like the camera is bad in every aspect, but top notch is fanboy talk...
Actually whenever I wanted to take a close distance picture with an N5X I always ended up with the picture being blurred to the point I couldn't even recognize what should be on the picture :crying:.
Some people also say the Nexus 9 is a very good tablet whereas my mate and I who bought the devices together would call it the worst nexus product until now
Now let me mention some things I like about the N5X because I don't totally hate the device and I'm just so disappointed that the performance is worse than on the N5 in almost every situation.
- Screen: I already got several compliments that the screen is well calibrated and looks pretty good.
- USB C: It's positive as well as negative. I like the new connector, but all of my friends who don't have it hate it because they can't use my charger nor my cable
- Front facing speakers (just don't turn the volume up too much, otherwise the sound gets ****ty)
- Quick Charging: Absolutely love that! Helped me out in many situations where I just needed like 20-30% more charge to get through the day or the night.
- Screen gets activated when you lift the phone from the desk or out of your pocket, pretty convenient
- You'll maybe be able to access the notification tray and quick settings panel with the fingerprint scanner in Android N
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I've had zero performance issues with my 5x since I bought it 9 months ago. There hasn't been a single instance where I've found it to be slower than my N5, and multiple instances of it being faster such as connection speeds, gaming performance and loading the camera. Storage speeds are also much faster than the N5 even with encryption enabled on the 5x and disabled on the N5 (less secure).
The camera on the 6p and 5x (same camera) was well regarded as one of the best cell phone cameras until this years devices started rolling out. Details with HDR+ are insane, low light performance is out of this world, and the pictures come out fast and snappy with the camera loaded and capturing scenes within 2-3 seconds from being locked. Most importantly: everything you take a picture of looks like it does in real life with your eyes.
It can't be a fanboy comment when every review of the camera on the 5x and 6p agrees: it is absolutely top notch.
It sucks that you haven't experience the 5x to its fullest, I'm not sure if you have a defective 5x or possibly are causing the issues with your 3rd party software but your experience is not typical.
My friend has recently acquired a Nexus 5x about 2 weeks ago and so far has had the same experience myself. Snappy, smooth, and the best phone at this price range by a large margin.
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Not in my experience and I've owned the 5x since launch day and a N5 since its launch day as well.

I made the swap a month ago when Carphone Warehouse in the UK were clearing stock for £130 and don't regret it at all. Feels exactly like you would expect a two year newer N5 to feel, nothing earth shattering, just slicker all round. Put the Nougat DP5 straight on it which obviously helps but only downside for me is no wireless charging as mine lived on a wireless deskstand all day at the office but the quick charging and better battery life make up for it... just have to remember to plug it in for a bit in the evening.
Wasn't keen on how light it is but I always use a case and once that was on all was good. Solid recommendation for the Supcase if you get one, cheap, top quality and once you slit the buttons all is good.
I wouldn't have been looking if it wasn't so cheap or the N5 battery was going but very glad I did and have a got a much more up to date phone for a lot less than half the price of one of the new Nexi when they come out. I stuck a new battery in the N5 and now my youngest is even happier than I am.

Regarding the N5X camera discussion here....
Macro pictures are not important to me. I don't need close-up pictures.
In normal use, the camera is spectacular. I recently went on a trip to Italy with a real camera and, honestly, I didn't even use it. The N5X camera has a wide scope, high quality, and great color reproduction. It's the same camera as that on the N6P, same exact camera; the only difference is not EIS but that can be fixed if rooted (it's disabled by default to make N6P more premium).
Check out the picture thread for examples of users' photos.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/excellent-camera-t3230797
Sure, it's no Samsung Galaxy 7, but few phones can compare to the 7's camera.
And who cares about macro?
One more thing about N5 camera vs N5X camera...
I had the N5 previously. If there was ONE thing I hated about the N5 is that pictures took 2-5 seconds to get taken after you press the button.
While on the 5X, it is practically instantaneous.
Last thing...
Come on, get the new Nexus which will launch in about 1-2 months.

This phone is great. I'm on N DP5 and 0 lag, great battery and performance.
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Overall love

Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Google Pixel, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Google Pixel is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Only had the phone 3 days, but it has the most cohesive feel of all the Android devices I've owned, not as featureless as my Nexus 7, not over the top like my older HTC/Samsung devices. Switched to Nova Launcher, then switched back to Pixel launcher because it felt a better fit.

I love it. But I'm having some buyer's remorse. I still give it an 8 out of 10. A 10 would have been better than my previous in most categories, even if marginally.
The Pixel is more expensive than my 6P. It's subjectively uglier than my gold finish all metal 6P. It has no front firing dual speakers. It's speakers aren't as good as the 6P's. It has no 64gb option as my 6P did. And I know people may slate me for this, the 6P had a better camera. By a big margin.
So why the high rating? Well, the Pixel feels better in the hand. This is primarily due to the size. The build seems more solid and more dense. The software feels more natural, although this is hard to quantify. The Pixel doesn't exhibit any throttling that my 6P did, which is a huge improvement. It just seems a more polished finish.
It has excellent EIS and I think the 6P should have been given this as it's just software magic, AFAIK. But it is what it is.
No nightmares in the battery department. Quite stable in fact. My 6P was starting to drain quicker than I liked.
Did I say it's the only viable smaller handset with top end hardware? I find it so liberating to be using a smaller powerhouse again.
Most of all, it's just very reliable and dependable.
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I actually very much love this phone, I was expecting a lot to be hype, yet battery is good, cameras awesome see attached pics, and overall it's probably the best phone I owned in awhile, I was using an iPhone 5s, missed mu Android,. Operating system is fast and responsive and split screen multitasking is great especially with YouTube and chrome open

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I love it. But I'm having some buyer's remorse. I still give it an 8 out of 10. A 10 would have been better than my previous in most categories, even if marginally.
The Pixel is more expensive than my 6P. It's subjectively uglier than my gold finish all metal 6P. It has no front firing dual speakers. It's speakers aren't as good as the 6P's. It has no 64gb option as my 6P did. And I know people may slate me for this, the 6P had a better camera. By a big margin.
So why the high rating? Well, the Pixel feels better in the hand. This is primarily due to the size. The build seems more solid and more dense. The software feels more natural, although this is hard to quantify. The Pixel doesn't exhibit any throttling that my 6P did, which is a huge improvement. It just seems a more polished finish.
It has excellent EIS and I think the 6P should have been given this as it's just software magic, AFAIK. But it is what it is.
No nightmares in the battery department. Quite stable in fact. My 6P was starting to drain quicker than I liked.
Did I say it's the only viable smaller handset with top end hardware? I find it so liberating to be using a smaller powerhouse again.
Most of all, it's just very reliable and dependable.
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Im sorry but the 6P does not have a better camera. Coming from a 6P as well i agree with some of your viewpoints but the camera isn't a valid arguement. While the 6P camera is good its not at the level of the pixel.

I've used android phones, I've used iPhones. If this is what Google has to offer with its first Pixel phone I'm excited for Pixel 2 already. The camera rocks, love the quality of photos, the UI is intuitive and fast. Opening apps feels instant for me at least no delay. Have yet to see the device slow down. Almost elliminates the need to shy away from stock one can be hopeful that Verizon doesn't end up blocking depixel8 otherwise I may end up unlocking the bootloader if I see they do.

I use an Android and iPhone handset concurrently for work-related reasons. The Pixel is great, and compares very favorably with the iPhone.
Battery: I used to run all intensive apps like Waze and streaming audio through the iPhone, now I don't fear running them on the Android.
App switching: You know when you're chatting with someone and you look something up to further your discussion along? The Overview button double-tap for switching back and forth is so great.
Fingerprint reader: Is faster than the iPhone 6.
You can probably get a nearly identical experience with a Xiaomi or Oneplus phone without spending $650+. I remember even seeing one of the new Xiaomi flagships featuring the same camera sensor. But I hoped that the Pixel being was it is, it'll be a more bug-free experience.

I bought this phone expecting to not like it and sell it in a few weeks. It doesn't have an sd card slot or a removable battery. That's a pretty big deal to me. But I got the 128gb and started allowing Google to back up my pics. I can go 16 hours on the battery with 4 hours SOT. That's exponentially better than my MXP or pretty much any other phone I've used. I have grandfathered unlimited on Verizon so my choices are slim if I want root. Everything about this phone works very well. It's super quick and feels good in the hand. Overall, I'm extremely pleased with it.
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I adore this phone. By far my favorite phone I've owned (S3, EVO 4G, EVO 4G LTE, HTC M8, Galaxy Note 5, Samsung Fireball, LG V20, LG V10). The experience has been unparalleled for me.

It's a great phone, but not worth the price tag that comes with it.

I would consider this to be the "photographer's phone." It has a great camera and amazing EIS. As well as unlimited original photo hosting on Google Photos.
Did I mention it has UNLIMITED, ORIGINAL photo hosting on Google Photos?
Don't get me wrong, there could be better cameras out there, but you just can't beat that perk of having a Pixel.

As a long time samsung owner, this device is a breath of fresh air. If it were more water resistant, and had wireless charging, it'd be a perfect 10.

what overall love for Power Users?
i searched little bit and it seems ok but i want to ask from real life power users?
ease of rooting and number of custom roms & mods

So I got my Pixel right before Christmas and switched from VZW to Project Fi at the same time. Mostly love the phone (and the service) and my minor complaints are all due to me being so used to my old Moto X '14. I really liked some of the Moto "tweaks" such as the twist camera and flashlight "chop". The camera on the Pixel is great but I really miss being able to take a picture by just touching the screen. Like I said, most of my complaints are really minor and consist of small missing software features. My only major complaint would be the sound of the speakers, they are too quiet which I really don't understand because when you strap the Pixel into a Daydream headset the sound is suddenly great. Battery life is fantastic. As for rooting/romming I'm still in the honeymoon phase where I haven't felt the need for either.

Geeks Empire said:
what overall love for Power Users?
i searched little bit and it seems ok but i want to ask from real life power users?
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Power user here. Previously owned a Galaxy Note 5 and 7. I got the 128GB because I like to store lots of high-quality music files and 4K film. The auto backup photo/video feature is tremendous.
If you're on a normal Pixel (non-Verizon), rooting is a joke. Very simple. Custom ROMs are awesome - PureNexus is amazing and so are OctOS and RR. Not a ton of options but they've got everything you need. Dirty Unicorns is available too (no Slim ROM, sadly).
JoeHockey said:
So I got my Pixel right before Christmas and switched from VZW to Project Fi at the same time. Mostly love the phone (and the service) and my minor complaints are all due to me being so used to my old Moto X '14. I really liked some of the Moto "tweaks" such as the twist camera and flashlight "chop". The camera on the Pixel is great but I really miss being able to take a picture by just touching the screen. Like I said, most of my complaints are really minor and consist of small missing software features. My only major complaint would be the sound of the speakers, they are too quiet which I really don't understand because when you strap the Pixel into a Daydream headset the sound is suddenly great. Battery life is fantastic. As for rooting/romming I'm still in the honeymoon phase where I haven't felt the need for either.
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Root your phone and you can get those things you desire.
Actually, with Tasker, you could probably make the twist camera thing fairly easily. Probably don't need root for that, either.

Thanks for the tip, I'll have to look into Tasker.
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Power user here. Previously owned a Galaxy Note 5 and 7. I got the 128GB because I like to store lots of high-quality music files and 4K film. The auto backup photo/video feature is tremendous.
If you're on a normal Pixel (non-Verizon), rooting is a joke. Very simple. Custom ROMs are awesome - PureNexus is amazing and so are OctOS and RR. Not a ton of options but they've got everything you need. Dirty Unicorns is available too (no Slim ROM, sadly).
Root your phone and you can get those things you desire.
Actually, with Tasker, you could probably make the twist camera thing fairly easily. Probably don't need root for that, either.
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Upgraded to a 128gb unit in December from a HTC ONE M8 and love almost everything about it.
Seriously, the difference in cameras is just amazing. I've got a big family and we all use different phones, and going from one of the worst cameras to the best camera is absolutely incredible. It runs fast, I can play PSP games on it. The rapid charge? 15% to full in an hour?! seriously, just amazed.
I have 2 complaints, the speaker is just terrible in comparison to the M8 (best sounding phone I've ever used) and how I hold my phone in my right hand with my pinky on the bottom to keep it from slipping it just mutes it. Second complaint is location services just kill my battery. When my M8 was new, I once got 3 days on a full charge, with the Pixel I'm resembling those iPhone wallhuggers everyone likes to joke about.

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So I got my Pixel right before Christmas and switched from VZW to Project Fi at the same time. Mostly love the phone (and the service) and my minor complaints are all due to me being so used to my old Moto X '14. I really liked some of the Moto "tweaks" such as the twist camera and flashlight "chop". The camera on the Pixel is great but I really miss being able to take a picture by just touching the screen. Like I said, most of my complaints are really minor and consist of small missing software features. My only major complaint would be the sound of the speakers, they are too quiet which I really don't understand because when you strap the Pixel into a Daydream headset the sound is suddenly great. Battery life is fantastic. As for rooting/romming I'm still in the honeymoon phase where I haven't felt the need for either.
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There's an app for the twist camera. Made by the same guy who made ForceDoze.

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Upgraded to a 128gb unit in December from a HTC ONE M8 and love almost everything about it.
Seriously, the difference in cameras is just amazing. I've got a big family and we all use different phones, and going from one of the worst cameras to the best camera is absolutely incredible. It runs fast, I can play PSP games on it. The rapid charge? 15% to full in an hour?! seriously, just amazed.
I have 2 complaints, the speaker is just terrible in comparison to the M8 (best sounding phone I've ever used) and how I hold my phone in my right hand with my pinky on the bottom to keep it from slipping it just mutes it. Second complaint is location services just kill my battery. When my M8 was new, I once got 3 days on a full charge, with the Pixel I'm resembling those iPhone wallhuggers everyone likes to joke about.
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Battery life is much better than comparable Androids devices. I've never had such great battery life, honestly. Interestingly, I had an M8 for a year and did NOT get close to 3 days (not even 2). Coming from an LG V20, V10, Note 5 and Note 7 (and watching my wife's S7), this battery life is tremendous. I literally don't ever pay attention to battery anymore. I go to bed with 30-50% usually. I just charge overnight (why not?) to be safe.
But yes, the sound of M8 was unparalleled. Why they quit on that feature I'll never understand.

Overall I am pretty happy with the Pixel. I don't like large phones so i am glad Google offered a smaller version. I used to have the Nexus 5x (still do) but the Pixel has been lag free. Anyone who has been using Google's devices long enough knows the thing starts to lag and the only thing to get rid of it is to totally format every so often. This has been running great so far so I am happy.
One thing I hope Google does not do is eventually become like Samsung or Apple where they totally lock down the device. The price point was already bad enough, but if the attempt to become mainstream to the point where the phone cannot be customized I will be very unhappy.
If they want to sell their product as "Pure Android", that should include customization outside of their OWN OS. Locking things down is no better than Apple or Samsung.

Feelings About Pixel XL

After reading thread after thread about this phone on this forum, I almost get the sense that people don't like it as much as they had hoped they would. The forum seems chock full of complaining (I know, that's normal), defect threads galore, and generally unpleasant comments (camera sucks, freezing in software, etc.). As someone waiting for theirs to arrive, it's not the best feeling to read all this. SO! I was wondering if you all would share your overall feelings on the phone, regardless of how long you've owned it.
Best phone you've ever owned?
Great but still have phone jealousy?
Underwhelming?
Bad experience?
I'm coming from an LG V20 and phone jealousy lead to me purchasing this. I hope I no longer am jealous of anyone's phone.

Well I am using the phone for 8-9 days now and my impression is positive. My gripes are two mainly, one there is no Xposed for 7.1.1, so I can't use Gravity Box and disable the on screen buttons, and secondly the design overall, but I knew that before buying. The huge bezels I could never like, power and volume buttons at same side, which I don't like, the back glass part, no comments about, wish I could break it myself LOL. But that's it. Other than these I love the phone. Of course the best Android I ever owned. The smoothness all over the software is incredible. But yes, yesterday I did notice a very bad stuttering while I was scrolling down my WhatsApp contacts list, something to do with cache I suppose, not sure, but it did happen, and that's not the only place either, I noticed frame drops on other apps too, can't remember though, nothing which has made me think to sell off the phone or anything but definitely there. But the incredible overall smoothness, excellent camera, considering a non-Samsung a very good display, fantastic call quality, very good loudspeaker (yeah its good regardless of what reviews say), I really don't know what more could I have expected, other than a compact design anyway.
Go for it. I am running the phone naked without a case for now and no problem yet, no colour chipping on the frame or anything, no scratches on the back glass part either but about time I put on a case.

I had no intentions of leaving my Nexus 6p with the bigger screen and the dual front facing speakers. After reading reviews on the Pixel XL, and hearing how good the performance and camera were, I decided to make the switch. The screen size difference is minimal, and I like that the XL isn't quite as wide as the 6p. I do miss the Dual speakers, but with WETA volume isn't a problem. The everyday performance of the Pixel is superior to the 6p. Everything runs smoothly and fluidly. The camera is excellent. I've never seen pictures so good from a phone. It seems to me that it's just as good as any point and shoot camera. Now onto development. Granted, there isn't a whole lot yet, but I'm sure the dam is going to burst soon. The dual slots open up a whole new world to us flashaholics, and I'm excited to see where it leads. Overall, I'm glad I got the Pixel, and I look forward for things to come.

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I had no intentions of leaving my Nexus 6p with the bigger screen and the dual front facing speakers. After reading reviews on the Pixel XL, and hearing how good the performance and camera were, I decided to make the switch. The screen size difference is minimal, and I like that the XL isn't quite as wide as the 6p. I do miss the Dual speakers, but with WETA volume isn't a problem. The everyday performance of the Pixel is superior to the 6p. Everything runs smoothly and fluidly. The camera is excellent. I've never seen pictures so good from a phone. It seems to me that it's just as good as any point and shoot camera. Now onto development. Granted, there isn't a whole lot yet, but I'm sure the dam is going to burst soon. The dual slots open up a whole new world to us flashaholics, and I'm excited to see where it leads. Overall, I'm glad I got the Pixel, and I look forward for things to come.
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You said it. This dual slot is a game changer. I just love tinkering with these slots, trying to get the best combination of ROM, kernel, and settings in each slot to make this battery go as far as it can. That's my goal in life, to make a damn cell phone last 2.5 days like my Sony Z3 used to.

ithehappy said:
Well I am using the phone for 8-9 days now and my impression is positive. My gripes are two mainly, one there is no Xposed for 7.1.1, so I can't use Gravity Box and disable the on screen buttons, and secondly the design overall, but I knew that before buying. The huge bezels I could never like, power and volume buttons at same side, which I don't like, the back glass part, no comments about, wish I could break it myself LOL. But that's it. Other than these I love the phone. Of course the best Android I ever owned. The smoothness all over the software is incredible. But yes, yesterday I did notice a very bad stuttering while I was scrolling down my WhatsApp contacts list, something to do with cache I suppose, not sure, but it did happen, and that's not the only place either, I noticed frame drops on other apps too, can't remember though, nothing which has made me think to sell off the phone or anything but definitely there. But the incredible overall smoothness, excellent camera, considering a non-Samsung a very good display, fantastic call quality, very good loudspeaker (yeah its good regardless of what reviews say), I really don't know what more could I have expected, other than a compact design anyway.
Go for it. I am running the phone naked without a case for now and no problem yet, no colour chipping on the frame or anything, no scratches on the back glass part either but about time I put on a case.
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Thanks for the detailed response! I'm really excited to see what this thing can do, in terms of the powerful software. I always long for the smoothest experience, cutting edge software, and best camera I can get. That's what drew me to this phone. Plus I really love Google products, so this seemed ideal. Really happy to hear your point about the speaker - I've heard so many negatives!
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I had no intentions of leaving my Nexus 6p with the bigger screen and the dual front facing speakers. After reading reviews on the Pixel XL, and hearing how good the performance and camera were, I decided to make the switch. The screen size difference is minimal, and I like that the XL isn't quite as wide as the 6p. I do miss the Dual speakers, but with WETA volume isn't a problem. The everyday performance of the Pixel is superior to the 6p. Everything runs smoothly and fluidly. The camera is excellent. I've never seen pictures so good from a phone. It seems to me that it's just as good as any point and shoot camera. Now onto development. Granted, there isn't a whole lot yet, but I'm sure the dam is going to burst soon. The dual slots open up a whole new world to us flashaholics, and I'm excited to see where it leads. Overall, I'm glad I got the Pixel, and I look forward for things to come.
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Do you happen to have moving targets you take photos of? I have two little kids and I cannot get good shots indoors with my LG V20. Really hoping this one is better. My wife's S7 takes much better pictures. I'm hoping this is as good as, or better, than that.
I don't know anything about these dual slots. I'm going to have to look into this! Is there a thread about this so I can read up on it?

PsiPhiDan said:
After reading thread after thread about this phone on this forum, I almost get the sense that people don't like it as much as they had hoped they would. The forum seems chock full of complaining (I know, that's normal), defect threads galore, and generally unpleasant comments (camera sucks, freezing in software, etc.). As someone waiting for theirs to arrive, it's not the best feeling to read all this. SO! I was wondering if you all would share your overall feelings on the phone, regardless of how long you've owned it.
Best phone you've ever owned?
Great but still have phone jealousy?
Underwhelming?
Bad experience?
I'm coming from an LG V20 and phone jealousy lead to me purchasing this. I hope I no longer am jealous of anyone's phone.
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I think part of the problem is the people who are having issues will always be the loudest, even though those people probably reside in the minority of those who've purchased the phone. Speaking for myself and all the people I've run into in person with the device, I have relatively no complaints. The performance is blazing fast and the phone has a great feel due to HTC's top-notch manufacturing. My only complaint has been the camera. I've come to realize that I was expecting a substantial jump in quality over my previous device, which was an iPhone 6+. Wile the quality is great, in reality this is just a smart phone camera. If I want high quality photos, I'm still going to keep my Sony RX100m3 with me if I remotely think I'll want a great shot. In the meantime and if I don't have my Sony, "the best camera is the one you have on you," and it definitely doesn't disappoint, it's just not a big leap for smart phone photography as I thought it would be. Hope my thoughts help, I would be very excited to have the device if I were you. After many Android devices and an iPhone, this is the best smart phone experience I've had.

It's a really good phone. I'm personally going back to the S7 Edge because I'm pretty disappointed in the camera but I knew some people really like the camera.

mjs2011 said:
It's a really good phone. I'm personally going back to the S7 Edge because I'm pretty disappointed in the camera but I knew some people really like the camera.
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Said no one ever. Lol

zaksimmermon said:
Said no one ever. Lol
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Which part?

mjs2011 said:
It's a really good phone. I'm personally going back to the S7 Edge because I'm pretty disappointed in the camera but I knew some people really like the camera.
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I do miss my Note 7 camera and all the functionality. People also say this is the fastest shooter but with the most useful shooting mode I have to still wait for the hdr+ affect when trying to view immediately after taking the photo.

pcriz said:
I do miss my Note 7 camera and all the functionality. People also say this is the fastest shooter but with the most useful shooting mode I have to still wait for the hdr+ affect when trying to view immediately after taking the photo.
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Yeah I noticed that in the Verizon store while testing that while you can take several shots consecutively (as reviews have stated) with no lag, there is lag waiting for the shots to be able to be viewed. That'll take some getting used to.

Coming from a Nexus 6P and host of other Android phones in the past, this is by far the best phone EXPERIENCE I've had. I've liked the design on the 6P better along with stereo speakers, and there are other phones with more features and hardware out of the box, but when you put together the Android experience of the Pixel XL along with the performance, camera and battery life, you just can't beat it.
Now, I really do hate the fact that a phone at this price doesn't have the water resistance of the flagship at this price point but that's a minor gripe. The camera (the speed of it is a lifesaver when you have a infant around the house) is better than I expected. My wife just got herself an iphone 7+ and this camera blows it out of the water.

spotmark said:
I had no intentions of leaving my Nexus 6p with the bigger screen and the dual front facing speakers. After reading reviews on the Pixel XL, and hearing how good the performance and camera were, I decided to make the switch. The screen size difference is minimal, and I like that the XL isn't quite as wide as the 6p. I do miss the Dual speakers, but with WETA volume isn't a problem. The everyday performance of the Pixel is superior to the 6p. Everything runs smoothly and fluidly. The camera is excellent. I've never seen pictures so good from a phone. It seems to me that it's just as good as any point and shoot camera. Now onto development. Granted, there isn't a whole lot yet, but I'm sure the dam is going to burst soon. The dual slots open up a whole new world to us flashaholics, and I'm excited to see where it leads. Overall, I'm glad I got the Pixel, and I look forward for things to come.
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Any chance you would be open to parting with the 6p? :laugh:
I have a pixel and I came from an s5. I just love to have new stuff to mess with and I never got to use a nexus device and it would be fun because of how much h development there is for it! Maybe we could figure out a trade for something of mine!

aholeinthewor1d said:
Any chance you would be open to parting with the 6p? :laugh:
I have a pixel and I came from an s5. I just looked e to have new stuff to mess with and I never got to use a nexus device and it would be fun because of how much h development there is for it! Maybe we could figure out a trade for something of mine!
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Edit - sold

skyo12 said:
Coming from a Nexus 6P and host of other Android phones in the past, this is by far the best phone EXPERIENCE I've had. I've liked the design on the 6P better along with stereo speakers, and there are other phones with more features and hardware out of the box, but when you put together the Android experience of the Pixel XL along with the performance, camera and battery life, you just can't beat it.
Now, I really do hate the fact that a phone at this price doesn't have the water resistance of the flagship at this price point but that's a minor gripe. The camera (the speed of it is a lifesaver when you have a infant around the house) is better than I expected. My wife just got herself an iphone 7+ and this camera blows it out of the water.
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So happy to hear this - I have two little ones and my LG V20 camera cannot keep up. Hoping this improves with the Pixel XL!

skyo12 said:
Coming from a Nexus 6P and host of other Android phones in the past, this is by far the best phone EXPERIENCE I've had. I've liked the design on the 6P better along with stereo speakers, and there are other phones with more features and hardware out of the box, but when you put together the Android experience of the Pixel XL along with the performance, camera and battery life, you just can't beat it.
Now, I really do hate the fact that a phone at this price doesn't have the water resistance of the flagship at this price point but that's a minor gripe. The camera (the speed of it is a lifesaver when you have a infant around the house) is better than I expected. My wife just got herself an iphone 7+ and this camera blows it out of the water.
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Couldn't agree more with you. This device is by far the best I ever had. Pure stock was amazing right out of the box but now with MVK kernel it's just unbelievable.

I have every Nexus device, most recently the N6P. The pixel is better in my eyes, alone the battery is around worlds better. Speed of the device it top, processing top, did not regret the purchase.

I love it Ive had it for about two months now. The phone is top notch hardware wise, but it's the software that makes it shine. I can't tell you how awesome Google assistant is, I find myself regularly using it to make my life easier. "Take me home" after it learns your voice the recognition is spot on. The live translation is pretty awesome too. Multitasking is great, the double tap to back is seamless. Battery last all day which is ridiculous considering I use it to play NDS games when I have time to myself. I mean really it's an all around awesome phone. My uncle also bought one and he told me he's never really been to excited about a phone but this one has so many nicities woven throughout the experience that he just fell in love. I'm weary to trust reddit threads and bug threads not just out of Google fan boy love, but for any product. You will find the same discontent threads on the iPhone as well because other entities influence the media to try to tank eachother. I mean reviews are important but there is problems some people are having with the phone, but I can't help wonder if it's not being blown out of proportion

Had the 6p for little while and it would be random reboots even after updating and factory reset. Maybe related to the thermal throttling? Phone never got warm so I don't know. Pixel has been much stabler and using it has been very fluid. My biggest gripe is that my gesture typing doesn't seem as accurate compared to when I used the 6p or the nexus 6. I'm not sure if it's because of the smaller screen. I'm getting better but can't figure out why this is. Would I buy it again? I probably would. The camera is quick and more than adequate.
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mikaole said:
Couldn't agree more with you. This device is by far the best I ever had. Pure stock was amazing right out of the box but now with MVK kernel it's just unbelievable.
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MVK kernel?

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