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Does Pixel 2 XL have band 71 support or not?

I have seen contradictory reports on the FCC filing, so what is the truth- does the Pixel 2 XL support bande 71 or not?
thanks,

Why don't you go to the source and find out yourself?

aaronc_98 said:
I have seen contradictory reports on the FCC filing, so what is the truth- does the Pixel 2 XL support bande 71 or not?
thanks,
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No

Yes it does support it.
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[/COLOR]Network
World-wide network/carrier compatibility with:1
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
FDD-LTE : Bands 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/40/412
Supports up to CAT 15 (800Mbps DL / 75Mbps UL), 3x DL CA, 4x4 MIMO, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on carrier support
1Pixel is an unlocked phone and
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Network
World-wide network/carrier compatibility with:1
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
FDD-LTE : Bands 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/40/412
Supports up to CAT 15 (800Mbps DL / 75Mbps UL), 3x DL CA, 4x4 MIMO, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on carrier support
1Pixel is an unlocked phone and

flex360 said:
Yes it does support it.
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[/COLOR]Network
World-wide network/carrier compatibility with:1
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
FDD-LTE : Bands 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/40/412
Supports up to CAT 15 (800Mbps DL / 75Mbps UL), 3x DL CA, 4x4 MIMO, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on carrier support
1Pixel is an unlocked phone and
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Network
World-wide network/carrier compatibility with:1
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
FDD-LTE : Bands 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/40/412
Supports up to CAT 15 (800Mbps DL / 75Mbps UL), 3x DL CA, 4x4 MIMO, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on carrier support
1Pixel is an unlocked phone and
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Where does it say band 71?

flex360 said:
Yes it does support it.
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[/COLOR]Network
World-wide network/carrier compatibility with:1
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
FDD-LTE : Bands 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/40/412
Supports up to CAT 15 (800Mbps DL / 75Mbps UL), 3x DL CA, 4x4 MIMO, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on carrier support
1Pixel is an unlocked phone and
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Network
World-wide network/carrier compatibility with:1
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
FDD-LTE : Bands 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/40/412
Supports up to CAT 15 (800Mbps DL / 75Mbps UL), 3x DL CA, 4x4 MIMO, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on carrier support
1Pixel is an unlocked phone and
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You might want to get your eyes checked, there is no band 71 support. I believe the only phone this year to support it is the v30.

flex360 said:
Yes it does support it.
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World-wide network/carrier compatibility with:1
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
FDD-LTE : Bands 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/40/412
Supports up to CAT 15 (800Mbps DL / 75Mbps UL), 3x DL CA, 4x4 MIMO, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on carrier support
1Pixel is an unlocked phone and
---------- Post added at 12:29 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:29 AM ----------
Network
World-wide network/carrier compatibility with:1
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
FDD-LTE : Bands 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/40/412
Supports up to CAT 15 (800Mbps DL / 75Mbps UL), 3x DL CA, 4x4 MIMO, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on carrier support
1Pixel is an unlocked phone and
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For some reason when I ordered the unlocked one I did not see that many bands supported on the Google site. Maybe they updated it after. The more the better

I feel pretty much 100% sure that the Pixel does support band 71 and will never officially support it. The FCC filing for the Pixel clearly shows no support for band 71:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=tL+QG5ST3W6FkZ/OqTI25A==&fcc_id=NM8G011A
Click on "Test Report-HAC-RF.pdf" to download the report. Scroll to page 5 to see the bands.
The phone will not operate on a band that the FCC has not approved it to operate on.
Yeah, it's a bummer and seems dumb though.

cb474 said:
I feel pretty much 100% sure that the Pixel does support band 71 and will never officially support it. The FCC filing for the Pixel clearly shows no support for band 71:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=tL+QG5ST3W6FkZ/OqTI25A==&fcc_id=NM8G011A
Click on "Test Report-HAC-RF.pdf" to download the report. Scroll to page 5 to see the bands.
The phone will not operate on a band that the FCC has not approved it to operate on.
Yeah, it's a bummer and seems dumb though.
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Its possible. I believe it was band 12(?) that was not officially supported on the Nexus 4. The hardware supported it. But it wasn't in the FCC filing either. It was added by flashing a test modem.
I can't remember if it was ever added back in officially or not.

It's been stated somewhere else that the phone must have the hardware to support it and the Pixel 2 may not. Only the LG V30 supports it at this time. We don't even know if the Pixel's Snapdragon is the updated one Qualcomm said would support band 71... the same one in the V30. But if it is, the modem, antenna, amps, filters, and all the other necessary hardware has to be there as well. It's unlikely at this point that it will support it given the phone's hardware certification date which was prior to band 71 being certified by 3gpp/fcc.

hartleyshc said:
Its possible. I believe it was band 12(?) that was not officially supported on the Nexus 4. The hardware supported it. But it wasn't in the FCC filing either. It was added by flashing a test modem.
I can't remember if it was ever added back in officially or not.
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It was LTE that was turned off on the Nexus 4. It had the amplifier for it but was not certified by FCC. It is absolutely possible that changing radio band could enable band 71 on the pixel 2. And it may be easy enough for Google to enable it later if the phone actually has hardware for it.
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hartleyshc said:
Its possible. I believe it was band 12(?) that was not officially supported on the Nexus 4. The hardware supported it. But it wasn't in the FCC filing either. It was added by flashing a test modem.
I can't remember if it was ever added back in officially or not.
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As someone who is currently still using a Nexus 4 I can tell you that (1) it was band 4 and maybe a couple others, but definitel not 12 which came years later, (2) it was never officially supported, (3) enabling it was not simple and eventually got mostly killed by Nougat.
Also, the Nexus 4 was unusual in that it was essentially just an LG Optimus G in a slightly different body. The Optimus supported LTE, but it was just turned off for whatever reason the the Nexus 4. I don't think it is that simple with the Pixel 2.
Anyway, my point was the the Pixel 2 does not officially support band 71 (as can be seen in the FCC filing) so Google will never enable it, because that would be illegal. I thought about saying something about maybe it will get hacked into existence like with the Nexus 4, but that has happened on such a tiny handful of phones ever that I think it is extremely unlikely to the point of it's just not going to happen.
I do think it's ridiculous that a phone that has not even shipped yet is essentially already obsolete on T-Mobile's network (which is also true for the new iPhone 8 and X and every other phone except the V30). They know about these network changes years in advance. The Snapdragon 835 chipset obviously can be configured for band 71, since the V30 does it. So why don't they just plan ahead for these things? I guess because they would love to have people just buy another phone in a year.

cb474 said:
As someone who is currently still using a Nexus 4 I can tell you that (1) it was band 4 and maybe a couple others, but definitel not 12 which came years later, (2) it was never officially supported, (3) enabling it was not simple and eventually got mostly killed by Nougat.
Also, the Nexus 4 was unusual in that it was essentially just an LG Optimus G in a slightly different body. The Optimus supported LTE, but it was just turned off for whatever reason the the Nexus 4. I don't think it is that simple with the Pixel 2.
Anyway, my point was the the Pixel 2 does not officially support band 71 (as can be seen in the FCC filing) so Google will never enable it, because that would be illegal. I thought about saying something about maybe it will get hacked into existence like with the Nexus 4, but that has happened on such a tiny handful of phones ever that I think it is extremely unlikely to the point of it's just not going to happen.
I do think it's ridiculous that a phone that has not even shipped yet is essentially already obsolete on T-Mobile's network (which is also true for the new iPhone 8 and X and every other phone except the V30). They know about these network changes years in advance. The Snapdragon 835 chipset obviously can be configured for band 71, since the V30 does it. So why don't they just plan ahead for these things? I guess because they would love to have people just buy another phone in a year.
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Probably because 600mhz/band 71 auction only finished in recent months and these devices are designed about a year ago. No one knew how the auction would go, like who would win and how it would be integrated into existing networks. Heck Qualcomm only added support for it back in April 2017 and they said it requires additional hardware. If the OEM couldn't change their design in time for release they would not be able to make the change. I'm sure they would love to be able to tout the support for it if it would give them some extra sales but sometimes things are too far along already. The V30 was announced back in Aug and it still hasn't actually shipped for tmobile so it's possible LG had the time and was willing to add support at the last minute which caused the delays.

Band 71 is only available in a few markets anyway, so it is now a big deal right now. Some markets won't have band 71 until around the time the Pixel 3 comes out

NO band 71 for any phones released this year besides the v30

SquallLHeart said:
NO band 71 for any phones released this year besides the v30
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According to Tmobile, Samsung will have a phone with band 71 support later this year. It will most likely be a mid-range phone. We'll probably see a more major adoption in 2018. Part of this could also be T-mobile's fault. Their initial rollout schedule was supposed to start in 2018 but they accelerated it for 2017, pushing out test sites 2 months after receiving the licenses from the FCC. They are simply moving too fast for most companies to catch up, which can be a good and bad thing, a good thing in the long run for those who use t-mobile.

yea, even though the 600 MHz band is still pretty limited in a ton of areas... i would love to have more coverage in very rural areas and having that band would certainly be awesome.. and for the most part.. and actual factor in wanting to hold out until the Pixel 3...
because Qualcomm delayed the release of the 836 chip... the Pixel 2's are only going to be rocking the 835.. which also plays a factor in band support.
alas... the camera as well as the trade-in offer Google is offering for the Pixel I have now ultimately won me over and bit the bullet.. i'm getting the Pixel XL 2.

SquallLHeart said:
yea, even though the 600 MHz band is still pretty limited in a ton of areas... i would love to have more coverage in very rural areas and having that band would certainly be awesome.. and for the most part.. and actual factor in wanting to hold out until the Pixel 3...
because Qualcomm delayed the release of the 836 chip... the Pixel 2's are only going to be rocking the 835.. which also plays a factor in band support.
alas... the camera as well as the trade-in offer Google is offering for the Pixel I have now ultimately won me over and bit the bullet.. i'm getting the Pixel XL 2.
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Well if Google keeps the current trade in going and Tmobile keeps trying to attract Pixel users, it shouldn't cost you much to upgrade to the Pixel 3 next year

Ricey said:
According to Tmobile, Samsung will have a phone with band 71 support later this year. It will most likely be a mid-range phone. We'll probably see a more major adoption in 2018. Part of this could also be T-mobile's fault. Their initial rollout schedule was supposed to start in 2018 but they accelerated it for 2017, pushing out test sites 2 months after receiving the licenses from the FCC. They are simply moving too fast for most companies to catch up, which can be a good and bad thing, a good thing in the long run for those who use t-mobile.
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S8 active is rumored to be that phone.
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Ricey said:
Probably because 600mhz/band 71 auction only finished in recent months and these devices are designed about a year ago. No one knew how the auction would go, like who would win and how it would be integrated into existing networks. Heck Qualcomm only added support for it back in April 2017 and they said it requires additional hardware. If the OEM couldn't change their design in time for release they would not be able to make the change. I'm sure they would love to be able to tout the support for it if it would give them some extra sales but sometimes things are too far along already. The V30 was announced back in Aug and it still hasn't actually shipped for tmobile so it's possible LG had the time and was willing to add support at the last minute which caused the delays.
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The annoucement by T-Mobile of the results of the auction was in April, but my understanding is that the actual auction was complete in January. So the industry has known all year T-Mobile would be using band 71. Given that some phone companies roll out new phones every six months (Motorola has being doing this lately) that should have been plenty of time to adopt the design of the Pixel and Note 8 and other recent phones.
I think the reality is the phone manufacturers just don't care. It would incur extra costs to revise a design. They have their own process. No one except extreme gadget nerds know about these things. They just roll out phones on their own schedule and have zero incentive to do something that would prevent people from having to buy a new phone sooner rather than later.
edd247 said:
Band 71 is only available in a few markets anyway, so it is now a big deal right now. Some markets won't have band 71 until around the time the Pixel 3 comes out
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By the end of 2018 T-Mobile's rollout should be complete. They are already ahead of schedule. And it is going to be a huge part of their entire national network. A high end phone like the Pixel should not be obsolete on a carrier's network, within a year or less.
SquallLHeart said:
Qualcomm delayed the release of the 836 chip... the Pixel 2's are only going to be rocking the 835.. which also plays a factor in band support.
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The LG V30 uses the Snapdragon 835 and has band 71. This is not a 835 vs 836 issue.

US / European Pixel 2 XL network compatibility differences?

Are there any differences between US and European Pixel 2 XL regarding network compatibility? I don't see any difference when comparing tech specs on US/UK/German Google store...
A friend of mine is traveling to Europe so I was thinking I could save $200...
Any ideas?

jsabolic said:
Are there any differences between US and European Pixel 2 XL regarding network compatibility? I don't see any difference when comparing tech specs on US/UK/German Google store...
A friend of mine is traveling to Europe so I was thinking I could save $200...
Any ideas?
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I received mine one day before traveling from the US to France. Both my home SIM card and the Orange one I use work fine. Service can be spotty but I think that's regional and not a phone issue. I have LTE throughout Paris...

Here's an answer from an expert - top contributor in a topic in the Google Groups "Pixel User Community" group:
Hello there, the original Pixel had some differences in the supported LTE bands and there used to be some differences in supported bands for Pixel 2 at launch as well, but now they seem to have updated the Pixel 2 listings to match on both North American and International variants. So according to those listings, there aren't any differences between the North American and International variants.

On the Google Store site for the Pixel 2 it list the same bands for the US version as the GB version:
https://store.google.com/gb/product/pixel_2_specs?hl=en-GB
https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_2_specs?hl=en-US
and if you account for the 20% GB VA Tax that is included within the price of the phone the cost of the two are the same (+/- exchange rate)
from the GB site
Channels
World-wide network/mobile compatibility with:1
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
FDD-LTE : Bands 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/40/412
Supports up to CAT 15 (800 Mbps DL/75 Mbps UL), 3x DL CA, 4 x 4 MIMO, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on operator support
1Pixel is an unlocked phone and works on major operator networks.
2*Indicates the bands that support 4x4 MIMO

Verizon Specific Radio?

As the title states, is there a VZW specific radio for the Pixel 2 XL? I have the unlocked international version of the phone.
I've loaded a custom ROM, but the signal strength is poor and data is constantly dropping or switching from 4G > 3G.

CenFlo said:
As the title states, is there a VZW specific radio for the Pixel 2 XL? I have the unlocked international version of the phone.
I've loaded a custom ROM, but the signal strength is poor and data is constantly dropping or switching from 4G > 3G.
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Probably has the correct LTE bands for Verizon.
xda member Atelesco posted this here at https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-2-xl/help/european-pixel-2-xl-network-t3696261
On the Google Store site for the Pixel 2 it list the same bands for the US version as the GB version:
from the GB site
Channels
World-wide network/mobile compatibility with:1
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
FDD-LTE : Bands 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/40/412
Supports up to CAT 15 (800 Mbps DL/75 Mbps UL), 3x DL CA, 4 x 4 MIMO, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on operator support
1Pixel is an unlocked phone and works on major operator networks.
2*Indicates the bands that support 4x4 MIMO

michaelbsheldon said:
Probably has the correct LTE bands for Verizon.
xda member Atelesco posted this here at https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-2-xl/help/european-pixel-2-xl-network-t3696261
On the Google Store site for the Pixel 2 it list the same bands for the US version as the GB version:
from the GB site
Channels
World-wide network/mobile compatibility with:1
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
FDD-LTE : Bands 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/40/412
Supports up to CAT 15 (800 Mbps DL/75 Mbps UL), 3x DL CA, 4 x 4 MIMO, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on operator support
1Pixel is an unlocked phone and works on major operator networks.
2*Indicates the bands that support 4x4 MIMO
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I did find this:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-2-xl/how-to/testing-performed-factual-information-t3702662
I've also tried all combo's of network type, but nothing seems to help. My 6P runs on VZW just fine using the "Global" for preferred network type.
There's also a post on one of the ROM threads where VZW peeps are having the same issues. I had to revert back to my 6P as the Pixel was unusable with the signal and data drops.

Pixel 3 seems to be missing some LTE bands

att band 30, sprint band 41
3xl
1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/18/19/20/25*/
26/28/29/32/66*/71
2xl
1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
oneplus6
1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/17/18/19/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66/71
TDD LTE: Band 34/38/39/40/41

Doesn't appear to be the case.
From the web store specs:
World-wide network/carrier compatibility with:⁶
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
WCDMA: W1/W2
FDD-LTE : Bands⁷ 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/18/19/20/25*/
26/28/29/30/32/66*/71
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/39/40/41*/42/46
Supports up to CAT 16 (1Gbps DL/75Mbps UL), 5x DL CA, 4x4 MIMO, LAA, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on operator support
eSIM capable
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obsanity said:
Doesn't appear to be the case.
From the web store specs:
World-wide network/carrier compatibility with:⁶
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
WCDMA: W1/W2
FDD-LTE : Bands⁷ 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/18/19/20/25*/
26/28/29/30/32/66*/71
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/39/40/41*/42/46
Supports up to CAT 16 (1Gbps DL/75Mbps UL), 5x DL CA, 4x4 MIMO, LAA, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on operator support
eSIM capable
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hope you are right but see attachment from my store page

Interesting. That's the full desktop page shot. I get the same thing BTW. Try mobile. I get what I pasted earlier.
norwoodesteel said:
hope you are right but see attachment from my store page
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obsanity said:
Interesting. That's the full desktop page shot. I get the same thing BTW. Try mobile. I get what I pasted earlier.
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now the mobile switched to match the desktop and google read the bands to me over the phone. no 30 or 41. think i'll cancel.

My mobile still has both 30 and 41. I wouldn't trust those technicians. You got 15 days to return it no questions asked as far as I know.
norwoodesteel said:
now the mobile switched to match the desktop and google read the bands to me over the phone. no 30 or 41. think i'll cancel.
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Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

Also the fact that FCC documents show both bands as supported makes me think those customer reps have bad info.
norwoodesteel said:
now the mobile switched to match the desktop and google read the bands to me over the phone. no 30 or 41. think i'll cancel.
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Weird how the specs page keeps changing. Now band 41 is back but 30 has been removed.
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They're covered, but not yet.
https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/...el-3-support-band-41-lte-band-30-coming-soon/
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Yeah, no band 30? Wtf? Google claims band 30 support is "coming soon." I won't hold my breath. It's crazy because my 2 XL has it.

It's most likely due to ATT and not anything in Google's control. Each carrier is going to have some dumb rule on how they "approve" the supported band.
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I would be surprised if the phone doesn't work great on ALL US carriers.
Man, Google made the OS, built and maintained the ecosystem, built and continued to add features to arguably the best phones of 2016 and 2017...but they are now RAM and Notch retards. WTF?
I am going to buy one (unlocked on vzw, of course) just so I can fight the trolls and lick the notch!
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MArtyChubbs said:
I am going to buy one (unlocked on vzw, of course) just so I can fight the trolls and lick the notch!
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Huh???????? Lol

MArtyChubbs said:
I would be surprised if the phone doesn't work great on ALL US carriers.
Man, Google made the OS, built and maintained the ecosystem, built and continued to add features to arguably the best phones of 2016 and 2017...but they are now RAM and Notch retards. WTF?
I am going to buy one (unlocked on vzw, of course) just so I can fight the trolls and lick the notch!
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You don't have to lick it: in Developer Options, you can easily eliminate the notch.

device variant question

is there a variant that i can root and use on tmobile 5g?

Forget about trying to root Snapdragon versions.

@42o247 forget @roaduardo and his wrong answer.
if you want to root Snapdragon get SM-G9860 for S20+ works like a charm.

chieco said:
@42o247 forget @roaduardo and his wrong answer.
if you want to root Snapdragon get SM-G9860 for S20+ works like a charm.
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I assume that's the HK version?

chieco said:
@42o247 forget @roaduardo and his wrong answer.
if you want to root Snapdragon get SM-G9860 for S20+ works like a charm.
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do you think that works with tmobile 5g?

roaduardo said:
I assume that's the HK version?
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yes.
42o247 said:
do you think that works with tmobile 5g?
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there are tons of information about this device. I gave you already the most important information which was SM-G9860. You can easily google SM-G9860 5G T-Mobile. Or search for the supported bands and the bands T-Mobile uses.

chieco said:
You can easily google SM-G9860 5G T-Mobile. Or search for the supported bands and the bands T-Mobile uses.
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i tried that before i even posted but most of the results are for the sm-g9860u and from the how to root guide it seemed like all the variants ending with U were unable to unlock the bootloader or root. i figured i would ask if anyone had a personal opinion or knowledge before wasting more of my time searching. thanks for the response though your thoughts are sincerely appreciated.

42o247 said:
i tried that before i even posted but most of the results are for the sm-g9860u and from the how to root guide it seemed like all the variants ending with U were unable to unlock the bootloader or root. i figured i would ask if anyone had a personal opinion or knowledge before wasting more of my time searching. thanks for the response though your thoughts are sincerely appreciated.
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These are T-mobile's 5G Bands.
Band n71 (600 MHz)
Band N260 (39 GHz)
Band N261 (28 GHz)
Band n41 (2.5 GHz)
These are the SM-G9880 and SM-G9860 5G Bands.
Bands Sub6
Band N41 (2.5 GHz)
Band N78 (3.5 GHz)
Band N79 (4.5 GHz)
Samsung S20 5G UW Bands
260, 261 mmWave
The device "should work" on Band N41. Also, keep in mind there are different variants of 5G Protocol. Low-Band, Mid-Band and Millimeter Wave. mmWave is the gold standard when speed is the only criteria.
mmWave high-band 5G: T-Mobile, AT&T and Verizon. About 10x faster than LTE with extremely low latency, which means you need to be standing really close to a tower or transmitter to get those speeds. Mid-band 5G: Sprint. About 6x faster than LTE, but with a smaller footprint than low-band. Low-band 5G: T-Mobile/AT&T. About 20 percent faster than 4G LTE.
If I were compelled to utilize 5G, which at this time I'm not, I would consider AT&T. They are the only Service Provider offering mmWave 5G on a Samsung 5G UW Device. Even though it has a Snapdragon SoC, I suspect the bootloader is locked like all of the US Carrier Devices.

varcor said:
These are T-mobile's 5G Bands.
Band n71 (600 MHz)
Band N260 (39 GHz)
Band N261 (28 GHz)
Band n41 (2.5 GHz)
These are the SM-G9880 and SM-G9860 5G Bands.
Bands Sub6
Band N41 (2.5 GHz)
Band N78 (3.5 GHz)
Band N79 (4.5 GHz)
Samsung S20 5G UW Bands
260, 261 mmWave
The device "should work" on Band N41. Also, keep in mind there are different variants of 5G Protocol. Low-Band, Mid-Band and Millimeter Wave. mmWave is the gold standard when speed is the only criteria.
mmWave high-band 5G: T-Mobile, AT&T and Verizon. About 10x faster than LTE with extremely low latency, which means you need to be standing really close to a tower or transmitter to get those speeds. Mid-band 5G: Sprint. About 6x faster than LTE, but with a smaller footprint than low-band. Low-band 5G: T-Mobile/AT&T. About 20 percent faster than 4G LTE.
If I were compelled to utilize 5G, which at this time I'm not, I would consider AT&T. They are the only Service Provider offering mmWave 5G on a Samsung 5G UW Device. Even though it has a Snapdragon SoC, I suspect the bootloader is locked like all of the US Carrier Devices.
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ill pass for now in the samsung troubles. seems to me that its not worth the trouble to find a samsung device that gets tmobile 5g and root. thanks again samsung

42o247 said:
ill pass for now in the samsung troubles. seems to me that its not worth the trouble to find a samsung device that gets tmobile 5g and root. thanks again samsung
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yeah you should pass on Samsung in general and get a 8 Pro. But if your decision depends only on 5G I have to say it shouldn't be that important, because 5G isn't that relevant so far, and maybe for the coming 1-2 years. And I'm sure won't keep the device longer then that anyways...
Also 5G caused CORONA VIRUS!!! LOL just kidding,

42o247 said:
ill pass for now in the samsung troubles. seems to me that its not worth the trouble to find a samsung device that gets tmobile 5g and root. thanks again samsung
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You should pass on T-Mobile as well, their 5G squirts!

yeah tmobile isnt great and samsung is nerfed by the software. im giving up on cell phones and switching back to a landline

chieco said:
yes.
there are tons of information about this device. I gave you already the most important information which was SM-G9860. You can easily google SM-G9860 5G T-Mobile. Or search for the supported bands and the bands T-Mobile uses.
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You can Google stuff? Word?

varcor said:
These are T-mobile's 5G Bands.
Band n71 (600 MHz)
Band N260 (39 GHz)
Band N261 (28 GHz)
Band n41 (2.5 GHz)
These are the SM-G9880 and SM-G9860 5G Bands.
Bands Sub6
Band N41 (2.5 GHz)
Band N78 (3.5 GHz)
Band N79 (4.5 GHz)
Samsung S20 5G UW Bands
260, 261 mmWave
The device "should work" on Band N41. Also, keep in mind there are different variants of 5G Protocol. Low-Band, Mid-Band and Millimeter Wave. mmWave is the gold standard when speed is the only criteria.
mmWave high-band 5G: T-Mobile, AT&T and Verizon. About 10x faster than LTE with extremely low latency, which means you need to be standing really close to a tower or transmitter to get those speeds. Mid-band 5G: Sprint. About 6x faster than LTE, but with a smaller footprint than low-band. Low-band 5G: T-Mobile/AT&T. About 20 percent faster than 4G LTE.
If I were compelled to utilize 5G, which at this time I'm not, I would consider AT&T. They are the only Service Provider offering mmWave 5G on a Samsung 5G UW Device. Even though it has a Snapdragon SoC, I suspect the bootloader is locked like all of the US Carrier Devices.
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Even device support n41 ( 2.5 GHz) that doesn't mean it work in T-Mobile/Sprint 5G-network because it require anchor band on 4G. But i don't know much about this Hong Kong variant because haven't got any log from it. If someone have, please share. Here is instruction to get modem log: https://mt-tech.fi/en/how-to-get-4g...ons-from-your-android-phone/#Qualcomm_devices . Please send log to: https://cacombos.com/contribute
I have some S20 variants supported bands and these combinations in my site: https://cacombos.com/search?key=S20 . I just need more data from these devices to complete listing.
But in USA i recommend buy device in US. Devices from overseas doesn't often support 4G and 5G carrier combinations used in US so you get less speed on network.

olkitu said:
Even device support n41 ( 2.5 GHz) that doesn't mean it work in T-Mobile/Sprint 5G-network because it require anchor band on 4G. But i don't know much about this Hong Kong variant because haven't got any log from it. If someone have, please share. Here is instruction to get modem log: https://mt-tech.fi/en/how-to-get-4g...ons-from-your-android-phone/#Qualcomm_devices . Please send log to: https://cacombos.com/contribute
I have some S20 variants supported bands and these combinations in my site: https://cacombos.com/search?key=S20 . I just need more data from these devices to complete listing.
But in USA i recommend buy device in US. Devices from overseas doesn't often support 4G and 5G carrier combinations used in US so you get less speed on network.
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A great resource and good to know, thanks! I agree with your suggestion to purchase the device from your Service Provider, that will pretty much guarantee you'll have all Carrier Aggregation utilities and 5G Connectivity Protocols in place. Unfortunately, users want a phone which has everything, no bloatware, unlocked bootloader, universal connectivity, full carrier aggregation and the best SoC. With all the variants from Samsung and varied Service Provider metrics that's not realistic.
I have a few questions you may be qualified to answer. Does the first letter of a band being capitalized or not have significance? Example n71 or N71? Does this represent MHz versus GHz? Secondly, in the example above, both the device and AT&T have a number of matching 4G Bands. Would this indicate the device will be able to anchor to the carrier? Lastly, let's assume a device and the carrier have multiple matching bands. Who or what determines which band will be paired in a specific connection, will the carrier determine this based on location or traffic volume, does the user have the ability switch to a specific bandwidth?

varcor said:
A great resource and good to know, thanks! I agree with your suggestion to purchase the device from your Service Provider, that will pretty much guarantee you'll have all Carrier Aggregation utilities and 5G Connectivity Protocols in place. Unfortunately, users want a phone which has everything, no bloatware, unlocked bootloader, universal connectivity, full carrier aggregation and the best SoC. With all the variants from Samsung and varied Service Provider metrics that's not realistic.
I have a few questions you may be qualified to answer. Does the first letter of a band being capitalized or not have significance? Example n71 or N71? Does this represent MHz versus GHz? Secondly, in the example above, both the device and AT&T have a number of matching 4G Bands. Would this indicate the device will be able to anchor to the carrier? Lastly, let's assume a device and the carrier have multiple matching bands. Who or what determines which band will be paired in a specific connection, will the carrier determine this based on location or traffic volume, does the user have the ability switch to a specific bandwidth?
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n71 and N71 is same band 600 MHz 5G NR. But in cacombos.com you see different characters like C what means contiguous intra-band CA. Example 3C.
On cacombos.com you can see example combination 2A4-66A4A_n71A2A what means 2-66_71 CA combination. Band 66 is anchor band for n71 5G.