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Considering selling my at&t note 4 when my pre-order is filled and buying a T-Mobile version to use on at&t.
Any reception issues?
No issues for me at all. Get great service everywhere, including lte
I was planning on doing so, but I noticed the T-Mobile variant is missing of the LTE Bands that the AT&T one has. Not sure if that will create any problems down the road. Any thoughts on if that matters?
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ARHMogul said:
I was planning on doing so, but I noticed the T-Mobile variant is missing of the LTE Bands that the AT&T one has. Not sure if that will create any problems down the road. Any thoughts on if that matters?
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ATT is not using those 2 bands in the US. (20 and 29 lte) It might be for international use in which case I'd rather have the tmobile ones. Anyway, according to Wikipedia they don't even own spectrum in one of those bands so deployment is years off even if they decide to do it. Plus the note 4 would have to go through the FCC again because it wasn't approved to run on those bands in the USA. Those extra bands are not anything to be worried about.
EDIT: Ok, I found some more info. There are no deployments of band 29 in the US yet. Band 29 is downlink only and is used with band 4. This will be AT&T's LTE advanced setup.
Thanks for the info! Time to go to TMobile and get me an unlocked Note 4.. Will they unlock them for you right in the store or no?
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ATT is not using those 2 bands in the US. (20 and 29 lte) It might be for international use in which case I'd rather have the tmobile ones. Anyway, according to Wikipedia they don't even own spectrum in one of those bands so deployment is years off even if they decide to do it. Plus the note 4 would have to go through the FCC again because it wasn't approved to run on those bands in the USA. Those extra bands are not anything to be worried about.
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band 29 is for LTE-Advance
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band 29 is for LTE-Advance
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Ya, been reading up on it. I still think it will be a while before it gets deployed and probably if you're not in a big city you'll have to wait longer like the wait for LTE.
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ARHMogul said:
Thanks for the info! Time to go to TMobile and get me an unlocked Note 4.. Will they unlock them for you right in the store or no?
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No you need to use cellunlocker.net or a similar service.
Thanks for everyone's help. I'm trying to find this information on the Internet, but some of it is like Greek to me.
What bands does att use in US?
What bands does the T-Mobile note 4 handle?
What bands will not be possible on the T-Mobile note 4? Bands 20+29?
Sorry for the questions, just trying to learn and you guys seem like you know your stuff.
ATT Uses:
GSM: 850, 1900 Mhz
HSPA/UMTS: 850, 1900 MHz
LTE: Band 4, 17 (29 for LTE-Advanced)
Tmobile uses:
GSM: 850, 1900 Mhz
HSPA/UMTS: 1700, 1900 Mhz
LTE: Band 4, 12
Tmobile Note 4 Supports:
GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900
UMTS: Band 1 (2100), Band 2 (1900), Band 4 (1700), Band 5 (850)
LTE: Band 4 (1700), Band 12 (700a), Band 1 (2100), Band 2 (1900), Band 3 (1800), Band 5 (850), Band 7 (2600), Band 8 (900), Band 17 (700bc)
Tmobile Note 4 does not support band 29 but imo it's a small price to pay for an unlocked bootloader. Plus, there are no deployments of ATT's LTE-Advanced network (Band 29/4) in the US yet and depending on where you live it could take years to reach you.
mircury said:
ATT Uses:
GSM: 850, 1900 Mhz
HSPA/UMTS: 850, 1900 MHz
LTE: Band 4, 17 (29 for LTE-Advanced; Not deployed yet in 2014)
Tmobile uses:
GSM: 850, 1900 Mhz
HSPA/UMTS: 1700, 1900 Mhz
LTE: 4, 12
Tmobile Note 4 Supports:
GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900
UMTS: Band 1 (2100), Band 2 (1900), Band 4 (1700), Band 5 (850)
LTE: Band 4 (1700), Band 12 (700a), Band 1 (2100), Band 2 (1900), Band 3 (1800), Band 5 (850), Band 7 (2600), Band 8 (900), Band 17 (700bc)
Tmobile Note 4 does not support band 29 but imo it's a small price to pay for an unlocked bootloader. Plus, there are no deployments of ATT's LTE-Advanced network (Band 29/4) in the US yet and depending on where you live it could take years to reach you.
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This is super helpful.
So let me ask you, when you say the T-Mobile version is missing the advanced lte bands (20&29), does that mean the phone will only miss the benefit of the next gen lte speeds?
So for example, 20&29 go live in my area, I have the tmo version, I'll still have lte just not super/advanced lte?
Thank you again for your time and expertise!
yogi217 said:
This is super helpful.
So let me ask you, when you say the T-Mobile version is missing the advanced lte bands (20&29), does that mean the phone will only miss the benefit of the next gen lte speeds?
So for example, 20&29 go live in my area, I have the tmo version, I'll still have lte just not super/advanced lte?
Thank you again for your time and expertise!
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Ok first thing, band 29 is download only so it is used in conjunction with band 4. Band 20 is for who knows what but I haven't seen any news about ATT's plans for that band. It's not a part of ATT's LTE Advanced plans as far as I can tell. It may be there for international support only.
Yes you are right that you will continue to get LTE just not LTE advanced, and that might be a year or most likely longer before it reaches you. Think of the timeline for ATT's LTE rollout. I researched a bit today and found that Chicago supposedly has the first actual deployment.
Also, ATT has said they are not doing their deployment of LTE Advanced to increase user speed. It is just for network capacity. So you might not see speed increases at all according to ATT's presentation at Mobile World Congress. Tmobile is in a better position capacity wise because it owns more AWS spectrum (higher frequency = faster data). They are deploying wideband LTE.
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Ok first thing, band 29 is download only so it is used in conjunction with band 4. Band 20 is for who knows what but I haven't seen any news about ATT's plans for that band. It's not a part of ATT's LTE Advanced plans as far as I can tell. It may be there for international support only.
Yes you are right that you will continue to get LTE just not LTE advanced, and that might be a year or most likely longer before it reaches you. Think of the timeline for ATT's LTE rollout. I researched a bit today and found that Chicago supposedly has the first actual deployment.
Also, ATT has said that they are not doing their deployment of LTE Advanced to increase user speed. It is just for network capacity. So you might not see speed increases at all according to ATT's presentation at Mobile World Congress. Tmobile is in a better position capacity wise because is owns more AWS spectrum (higher frequency = faster data). They are deploying wideband LTE.
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You da man! Thank you for your help and knowledge!
Unlock service
Can any of you with a T-Mobile device on a different network tell me what service you used to unlock your phone? I saw a mention of cellunlocker.net on one thread, but it says on their site it could take up to 15 days to get the unlock for the T-Mobile Note 4. Is this typical? I've never used one of these services, so I don't know what the better routes are. Thanks!
Att lte advanced has been deployed in NYC since the iPhone 6. It's fast but tmobile is faster I think.
Juicyboot said:
Can any of you with a T-Mobile device on a different network tell me what service you used to unlock your phone? I saw a mention of cellunlocker.net on one thread, but it says on their site it could take up to 15 days to get the unlock for the T-Mobile Note 4. Is this typical? I've never used one of these services, so I don't know what the better routes are. Thanks!
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Cellunlocker.net got me my code in less than an hour even though it was 8 pm when I requested it.
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Cellunlocker.net got me my code in less than an hour even though it was 8 pm when I requested it.
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How is network performance using the TMO version on AT&T? Last year with the Note 3, I had such horrible LTE reception I took it back. T-Mobile devices are not optimized for band 17 support. It comes down to: you want a phone that gets a great signal, or you want a phone you can root/rom.
MattMJB0188 said:
How is network performance using the TMO version on AT&T? Last year with the Note 3, I had such horrible LTE reception I took it back. T-Mobile devices are not optimized for band 17 support. It comes down to: you want a phone that gets a great signal, or you want a phone you can root/rom.
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From what I have seen everything should be working fine. If you live in a city that has LTEa you will miss or on improved performance with band 29, but that should not effect most people.
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Cellunlocker.net wants $30. Anyone of a cheaper place that is just as reliable?
Would a blocked tmobile note 4 with regional unlock work on att ?
Hi All
Just to add my 2 cents...
I went from a At&T Note3 to TMO Note4
Just put my Note 3 Sim into the Note 4 and am up and running for about a week now...
When I log in to my ATT online account it still shows The Note 3 though but as I said all is well for now.
hello,
I have Tmobile Galaxy Note 3 and would like to know if there is a way to enable carrier aggregation?
I really need this feature because I am headed to South Korea and Australia for 3 months on my research business trip. All carriers in those countries use Carrier Aggregation and in order to have service, I would need a device with carrier aggregation. I don't want to purchase another phone cause my phone is working fine.
Also, I have checked with the major carriers in those use bands compatible with my phone. I also know that Note 3 has snapdragon 800 3rd generation gobi LTE modem that supports this. So is there a way to enable that feature?
Anyone?
There is a way. I have a T-Mobile Note 3 and I've done it, though T-Mobile doesn't use CA yet, so I have no way to test it. Also, just so you know, Carrier Aggregation cannot combine any 2 LTE frequencies; it's specific pairs, like Band 2 and Band 17.
Anyways, my instructions are here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=57178013&postcount=80
Product F(RED) said:
There is a way. I have a T-Mobile Note 3 and I've done it, though T-Mobile doesn't use CA yet, so I have no way to test it. Also, just so you know, Carrier Aggregation cannot combine any 2 LTE frequencies; it's specific pairs, like Band 2 and Band 17.
Anyways, my instructions are here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=57178013&postcount=80
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Thank you so much! I will look into it. T-Mobile does have carrier aggregation in Dallas, TX and Atlanta,GA, binding band 2 and band 4.
Just a minor change btw, you have to choose REL 10 if you didn't. It's actually not optional. Let me know if it works, because there's no CA here in NYC
The way to check if it's working is if you dial the same dialer code after that and go to Basic Information -> As Information.
If you see "CA Enabled but Not Configured", it means it's turned on on the phone, but not the towers you're connected to. If you see "CA Setting Wrong", do the steps over and turn on LTE REL 10. Otherwise, if it's on and working, you should see two frequencies listed. There are pictures on the next page in that thread showing what it looks like.
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Product F(RED) said:
Just a minor change btw, you have to choose REL 10 if you didn't. It's actually not optional. Let me know if it works, because there's no CA here in NYC
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Thank you so much ! It definitely works! Kudos +1
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Thank you so much ! It definitely works! Kudos +1
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Awesome I edited my above post to add more info on how to make sure it's working.
Can you post a screenshot of the AS Information screen just to make sure?
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Product F(RED) said:
Awesome I edited my above post to add more info on how to make sure it's working.
Can you post a screenshot of the AS Information screen just to make sure?
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It's not letting me attach the screenshot because I am a new user and need to be a member for at least a week. Optus 4G Australia is my carrier currently.
But it says:
CA enabled and configured.
Band 17 (5mhz)
Band 3 (15mhz)
R0 RSRP Band 3: -76, RSRQ: -4
R0 RSRP: -87, RSRQ: -7
EUpS: 4
AtReCo: 3, TaAtCo: 0 DeAtCo: 1.4rev99
Speedtest: 132mbps down and 39mbps up. Thanks again.
hhhh1973 said:
It's not letting me attach the screenshot because I am a new user and need to be a member for at least a week. Optus 4G Australia is my carrier currently.
But it says:
CA enabled and configured.
Band 17 (5mhz)
Band 3 (15mhz)
R0 RSRP Band 3: -76, RSRQ: -4
R0 RSRP: -87, RSRQ: -7
EUpS: 4
AtReCo: 3, TaAtCo: 0 DeAtCo: 1.4rev99
Speedtest: 132mbps down and 39mbps up. Thanks again.
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Holy crap! It works! That's awesome! That's Band 1800 (Band 3) and Band 700 MHz (Band 17). Sorry, I just have one last question (I promise). This is 100% the SM-900T (T-Mobile US model?). What modem/baseband (Settings -> About Phone)?
Product F(RED) said:
Holy crap! It works! That's awesome! That's Band 1800 (Band 3) and Band 700 MHz (Band 17). Sorry, I just have one last question (I promise). This is 100% the SM-900T (T-Mobile US model?). What modem/baseband (Settings -> About Phone)?
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Baseband is N900TUVUNENK3 running Android 4.4.2. I haven't rooted either.
Hi there,
Looking at Google Pixels page one can see that there is two versions of the product: NA and RoW.
Question is: is there any chance of buying a RoW version in US? Has anyone ever managed to buy the past Nexus International Versions in US before?
Thanks all and regards
Took me a few seconds to figure out what RoW means. I'd like to know this too.
In regards to the N6p I tried to buy an Intl version from the US but it wasn't available.
Had to be bought from Intl market like EU or the Middle East..
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mazroui said:
In regards to the N6p I tried to buy an Intl version from the US but it wasn't available.
Had to be bought from Intl market like EU or the Middle East..
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Is there any difference in the UAE? Both versions support LTE Band 3 and UMTS Band 1. Should work fine in the UAE.
I'm using US 6P which also supports LTE B3 and have not had any issues at all.
Abra_Cadabra said:
Is there any difference in the UAE? Both versions support LTE Band 3 and UMTS Band 1. Should work fine in the UAE.
I'm using US 6P which also supports LTE B3 and have not had any issues at all.
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To my understanding of supported LTE, UMTS, and GSM frequencies both Pixel Variants will work in UAE but Carrier Aggregation will probably not work. Not sure if the operators in the UAE support CA (yet) but if/ when they do this will probably something that wouldn't work on the NA variant. The only combination supported by the device for UAE bands is B7+B7, which may or may not work.
Whether this is a deal breaker or not is up to you to decide.
Won't work. There are two different version. One that supports international LTE bands and one that supports the bands in the USA. Just like the Nexus 6, 5x and 6P. If you buy the Pixel in the USA you'd only be able to use 3g speeds in Europe, band 7 (1800mhz) being the only exception.
In short, should you buy the pixel phone in the USA you won't have 4G in Europe and other countries that use the same bands.
mazroui said:
In regards to the N6p I tried to buy an Intl version from the US but it wasn't available.
Had to be bought from Intl market like EU or the Middle East..
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Same with me. Worse than that, Google does not sell then in my country. So, unfortunately, I may have to buy outside US as well again.
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pauleandro said:
Same with me. Worse than that, Google does not sell then in my country. So, unfortunately, I may have to buy outside US as well again.
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Now that the pixel is out i can't seem to find anything online (N6p H1512 64/128gb) that comes with a warranty, if you do come across one that includes warranty please dm me.
I found out the warranty over here is handled by the retailers and is not international (covered by Google/Huawei).
mazroui said:
Now that the pixel is out i can't seem to find anything online (N6p H1512 64/128gb) that comes with a warranty, if you do come across one that includes warranty please dm me.
I found out the warranty over here is handled by the retailers and is not international (covered by Google/Huawei).
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Of course, no problem. I'll let you know if I find anything.
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I am also looking at this and cannot understand the CA limitations on the US device. Unless I am mistaken the Snapdragon X12 modem supports all combinations of supported frequencies. Yet the phones have different combinations for some reason. I do not know if Google is limiting this via software. Any thoughts?
scandalousk said:
Won't work. There are two different version. One that supports international LTE bands and one that supports the bands in the USA. Just like the Nexus 6, 5x and 6P. If you buy the Pixel in the USA you'd only be able to use 3g speeds in Europe, band 7 (1800mhz) being the only exception.
In short, should you buy the pixel phone in the USA you won't have 4G in Europe and other countries that use the same bands.
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How comes? Both NA & RoW Pixel's tech specs show bands 3 and 20 (beside the band 7 & others) which are the most common bands used in Europe for LTE, so I can't see why the NA model won't have 4G in Europe... Can you please explain?
Lots of overlap
There appears to be quite significant overlap, with the NA version supporting all or almost all LTE bands in most European countries and in many non-European countries as well (including all LTE bands in UAE):
NA version: frequencycheck.com/compatibility/GPQkJ/google-pixel-xl-phone-nexus-m1-td-lte-na-128gb-htc-marlin/countries
RoW version: frequencycheck.com/compatibility/vWPw8/google-pixel-xl-phone-nexus-m1-global-td-lte-128gb-htc-marlin/countries
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Hmm... just noticed that a few European countries that FrequencyCheck lists the NA version as having only partial LTE coverage for are because the site considers the NA version not to support band 8. But, according to Google's own spec page (madeby.google.com/phone/specs/ > Telephony), both the NA and RoW versions support B8. No idea if FrequencyCheck is a generally reliable source of info, as I just discovered the site a few minutes ago. I hope Google's listing for their own phone is correct, but the fact that B8 isn't included anywhere in the LTE 2xCA and 3xCA breakdowns for the NA version as it is for the RoW version makes me wonder...
scandalousk said:
Won't work. There are two different version. One that supports international LTE bands and one that supports the bands in the USA. Just like the Nexus 6, 5x and 6P. If you buy the Pixel in the USA you'd only be able to use 3g speeds in Europe, band 7 (1800mhz) being the only exception.
In short, should you buy the pixel phone in the USA you won't have 4G in Europe and other countries that use the same bands.
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sirda said:
How comes? Both NA & RoW Pixel's tech specs show bands 3 and 20 (beside the band 7 & others) which are the most common bands used in Europe for LTE, so I can't see why the NA model won't have 4G in Europe... Can you please explain?
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Yes, the main European LTE bands are 3, 7 and 20, so it doesn't matter which version you have as both support all these bands. scandalousk is wrong.
Partially, it'll support 4G. But it won't support LTE-Advanced (4g+)
scandalousk said:
Partially, it'll support 4G. But it won't support LTE-Advanced (4g+)
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It'll support LTE, but won't support LTE Carrier Aggregation. LTE-Advanced is more than just Carrier Aggregation.
I have seen contradictory reports on the FCC filing, so what is the truth- does the Pixel 2 XL support bande 71 or not?
thanks,
Why don't you go to the source and find out yourself?
aaronc_98 said:
I have seen contradictory reports on the FCC filing, so what is the truth- does the Pixel 2 XL support bande 71 or not?
thanks,
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No
Yes it does support it.
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World-wide network/carrier compatibility with:1
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
FDD-LTE : Bands 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/40/412
Supports up to CAT 15 (800Mbps DL / 75Mbps UL), 3x DL CA, 4x4 MIMO, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on carrier support
1Pixel is an unlocked phone and
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Network
World-wide network/carrier compatibility with:1
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
FDD-LTE : Bands 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/40/412
Supports up to CAT 15 (800Mbps DL / 75Mbps UL), 3x DL CA, 4x4 MIMO, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on carrier support
1Pixel is an unlocked phone and
flex360 said:
Yes it does support it.
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GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
FDD-LTE : Bands 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/40/412
Supports up to CAT 15 (800Mbps DL / 75Mbps UL), 3x DL CA, 4x4 MIMO, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on carrier support
1Pixel is an unlocked phone and
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World-wide network/carrier compatibility with:1
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
FDD-LTE : Bands 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/40/412
Supports up to CAT 15 (800Mbps DL / 75Mbps UL), 3x DL CA, 4x4 MIMO, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on carrier support
1Pixel is an unlocked phone and
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Where does it say band 71?
flex360 said:
Yes it does support it.
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World-wide network/carrier compatibility with:1
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
FDD-LTE : Bands 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/40/412
Supports up to CAT 15 (800Mbps DL / 75Mbps UL), 3x DL CA, 4x4 MIMO, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on carrier support
1Pixel is an unlocked phone and
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Network
World-wide network/carrier compatibility with:1
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
FDD-LTE : Bands 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/40/412
Supports up to CAT 15 (800Mbps DL / 75Mbps UL), 3x DL CA, 4x4 MIMO, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on carrier support
1Pixel is an unlocked phone and
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You might want to get your eyes checked, there is no band 71 support. I believe the only phone this year to support it is the v30.
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Yes it does support it.
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World-wide network/carrier compatibility with:1
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
FDD-LTE : Bands 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/40/412
Supports up to CAT 15 (800Mbps DL / 75Mbps UL), 3x DL CA, 4x4 MIMO, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on carrier support
1Pixel is an unlocked phone and
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Network
World-wide network/carrier compatibility with:1
GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: Bands 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
FDD-LTE : Bands 1*/2*/3*/4*/5/7*/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66*2
TD-LTE: Bands 38*/40/412
Supports up to CAT 15 (800Mbps DL / 75Mbps UL), 3x DL CA, 4x4 MIMO, 256-QAM DL and 64-QAM UL depending on carrier support
1Pixel is an unlocked phone and
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For some reason when I ordered the unlocked one I did not see that many bands supported on the Google site. Maybe they updated it after. The more the better
I feel pretty much 100% sure that the Pixel does support band 71 and will never officially support it. The FCC filing for the Pixel clearly shows no support for band 71:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=tL+QG5ST3W6FkZ/OqTI25A==&fcc_id=NM8G011A
Click on "Test Report-HAC-RF.pdf" to download the report. Scroll to page 5 to see the bands.
The phone will not operate on a band that the FCC has not approved it to operate on.
Yeah, it's a bummer and seems dumb though.
cb474 said:
I feel pretty much 100% sure that the Pixel does support band 71 and will never officially support it. The FCC filing for the Pixel clearly shows no support for band 71:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=tL+QG5ST3W6FkZ/OqTI25A==&fcc_id=NM8G011A
Click on "Test Report-HAC-RF.pdf" to download the report. Scroll to page 5 to see the bands.
The phone will not operate on a band that the FCC has not approved it to operate on.
Yeah, it's a bummer and seems dumb though.
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Its possible. I believe it was band 12(?) that was not officially supported on the Nexus 4. The hardware supported it. But it wasn't in the FCC filing either. It was added by flashing a test modem.
I can't remember if it was ever added back in officially or not.
It's been stated somewhere else that the phone must have the hardware to support it and the Pixel 2 may not. Only the LG V30 supports it at this time. We don't even know if the Pixel's Snapdragon is the updated one Qualcomm said would support band 71... the same one in the V30. But if it is, the modem, antenna, amps, filters, and all the other necessary hardware has to be there as well. It's unlikely at this point that it will support it given the phone's hardware certification date which was prior to band 71 being certified by 3gpp/fcc.
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Its possible. I believe it was band 12(?) that was not officially supported on the Nexus 4. The hardware supported it. But it wasn't in the FCC filing either. It was added by flashing a test modem.
I can't remember if it was ever added back in officially or not.
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It was LTE that was turned off on the Nexus 4. It had the amplifier for it but was not certified by FCC. It is absolutely possible that changing radio band could enable band 71 on the pixel 2. And it may be easy enough for Google to enable it later if the phone actually has hardware for it.
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hartleyshc said:
Its possible. I believe it was band 12(?) that was not officially supported on the Nexus 4. The hardware supported it. But it wasn't in the FCC filing either. It was added by flashing a test modem.
I can't remember if it was ever added back in officially or not.
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As someone who is currently still using a Nexus 4 I can tell you that (1) it was band 4 and maybe a couple others, but definitel not 12 which came years later, (2) it was never officially supported, (3) enabling it was not simple and eventually got mostly killed by Nougat.
Also, the Nexus 4 was unusual in that it was essentially just an LG Optimus G in a slightly different body. The Optimus supported LTE, but it was just turned off for whatever reason the the Nexus 4. I don't think it is that simple with the Pixel 2.
Anyway, my point was the the Pixel 2 does not officially support band 71 (as can be seen in the FCC filing) so Google will never enable it, because that would be illegal. I thought about saying something about maybe it will get hacked into existence like with the Nexus 4, but that has happened on such a tiny handful of phones ever that I think it is extremely unlikely to the point of it's just not going to happen.
I do think it's ridiculous that a phone that has not even shipped yet is essentially already obsolete on T-Mobile's network (which is also true for the new iPhone 8 and X and every other phone except the V30). They know about these network changes years in advance. The Snapdragon 835 chipset obviously can be configured for band 71, since the V30 does it. So why don't they just plan ahead for these things? I guess because they would love to have people just buy another phone in a year.
cb474 said:
As someone who is currently still using a Nexus 4 I can tell you that (1) it was band 4 and maybe a couple others, but definitel not 12 which came years later, (2) it was never officially supported, (3) enabling it was not simple and eventually got mostly killed by Nougat.
Also, the Nexus 4 was unusual in that it was essentially just an LG Optimus G in a slightly different body. The Optimus supported LTE, but it was just turned off for whatever reason the the Nexus 4. I don't think it is that simple with the Pixel 2.
Anyway, my point was the the Pixel 2 does not officially support band 71 (as can be seen in the FCC filing) so Google will never enable it, because that would be illegal. I thought about saying something about maybe it will get hacked into existence like with the Nexus 4, but that has happened on such a tiny handful of phones ever that I think it is extremely unlikely to the point of it's just not going to happen.
I do think it's ridiculous that a phone that has not even shipped yet is essentially already obsolete on T-Mobile's network (which is also true for the new iPhone 8 and X and every other phone except the V30). They know about these network changes years in advance. The Snapdragon 835 chipset obviously can be configured for band 71, since the V30 does it. So why don't they just plan ahead for these things? I guess because they would love to have people just buy another phone in a year.
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Probably because 600mhz/band 71 auction only finished in recent months and these devices are designed about a year ago. No one knew how the auction would go, like who would win and how it would be integrated into existing networks. Heck Qualcomm only added support for it back in April 2017 and they said it requires additional hardware. If the OEM couldn't change their design in time for release they would not be able to make the change. I'm sure they would love to be able to tout the support for it if it would give them some extra sales but sometimes things are too far along already. The V30 was announced back in Aug and it still hasn't actually shipped for tmobile so it's possible LG had the time and was willing to add support at the last minute which caused the delays.
Band 71 is only available in a few markets anyway, so it is now a big deal right now. Some markets won't have band 71 until around the time the Pixel 3 comes out
NO band 71 for any phones released this year besides the v30
SquallLHeart said:
NO band 71 for any phones released this year besides the v30
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According to Tmobile, Samsung will have a phone with band 71 support later this year. It will most likely be a mid-range phone. We'll probably see a more major adoption in 2018. Part of this could also be T-mobile's fault. Their initial rollout schedule was supposed to start in 2018 but they accelerated it for 2017, pushing out test sites 2 months after receiving the licenses from the FCC. They are simply moving too fast for most companies to catch up, which can be a good and bad thing, a good thing in the long run for those who use t-mobile.
yea, even though the 600 MHz band is still pretty limited in a ton of areas... i would love to have more coverage in very rural areas and having that band would certainly be awesome.. and for the most part.. and actual factor in wanting to hold out until the Pixel 3...
because Qualcomm delayed the release of the 836 chip... the Pixel 2's are only going to be rocking the 835.. which also plays a factor in band support.
alas... the camera as well as the trade-in offer Google is offering for the Pixel I have now ultimately won me over and bit the bullet.. i'm getting the Pixel XL 2.
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yea, even though the 600 MHz band is still pretty limited in a ton of areas... i would love to have more coverage in very rural areas and having that band would certainly be awesome.. and for the most part.. and actual factor in wanting to hold out until the Pixel 3...
because Qualcomm delayed the release of the 836 chip... the Pixel 2's are only going to be rocking the 835.. which also plays a factor in band support.
alas... the camera as well as the trade-in offer Google is offering for the Pixel I have now ultimately won me over and bit the bullet.. i'm getting the Pixel XL 2.
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Well if Google keeps the current trade in going and Tmobile keeps trying to attract Pixel users, it shouldn't cost you much to upgrade to the Pixel 3 next year
Ricey said:
According to Tmobile, Samsung will have a phone with band 71 support later this year. It will most likely be a mid-range phone. We'll probably see a more major adoption in 2018. Part of this could also be T-mobile's fault. Their initial rollout schedule was supposed to start in 2018 but they accelerated it for 2017, pushing out test sites 2 months after receiving the licenses from the FCC. They are simply moving too fast for most companies to catch up, which can be a good and bad thing, a good thing in the long run for those who use t-mobile.
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S8 active is rumored to be that phone.
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Ricey said:
Probably because 600mhz/band 71 auction only finished in recent months and these devices are designed about a year ago. No one knew how the auction would go, like who would win and how it would be integrated into existing networks. Heck Qualcomm only added support for it back in April 2017 and they said it requires additional hardware. If the OEM couldn't change their design in time for release they would not be able to make the change. I'm sure they would love to be able to tout the support for it if it would give them some extra sales but sometimes things are too far along already. The V30 was announced back in Aug and it still hasn't actually shipped for tmobile so it's possible LG had the time and was willing to add support at the last minute which caused the delays.
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The annoucement by T-Mobile of the results of the auction was in April, but my understanding is that the actual auction was complete in January. So the industry has known all year T-Mobile would be using band 71. Given that some phone companies roll out new phones every six months (Motorola has being doing this lately) that should have been plenty of time to adopt the design of the Pixel and Note 8 and other recent phones.
I think the reality is the phone manufacturers just don't care. It would incur extra costs to revise a design. They have their own process. No one except extreme gadget nerds know about these things. They just roll out phones on their own schedule and have zero incentive to do something that would prevent people from having to buy a new phone sooner rather than later.
edd247 said:
Band 71 is only available in a few markets anyway, so it is now a big deal right now. Some markets won't have band 71 until around the time the Pixel 3 comes out
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By the end of 2018 T-Mobile's rollout should be complete. They are already ahead of schedule. And it is going to be a huge part of their entire national network. A high end phone like the Pixel should not be obsolete on a carrier's network, within a year or less.
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Qualcomm delayed the release of the 836 chip... the Pixel 2's are only going to be rocking the 835.. which also plays a factor in band support.
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The LG V30 uses the Snapdragon 835 and has band 71. This is not a 835 vs 836 issue.
Hi, I wanted to know if i buy a verizon phone from us from bestbuy, will it work in france with orange, or is there any possibilities to change carrier options etc.
Thanks a lot
digamman said:
Hi, I wanted to know if i buy a verizon phone from us from bestbuy, will it work in france with orange, or is there any possibilities to change carrier options etc.
Thanks a lot
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France use GSM, Verizon uses CDMA. If the Verizon phone has only CDMA it won't work.
Thanks for the quick reply, if i try to buy it and flash it with a stock pixel 2xl img not the verizon, will it work as an unlocked phone ?
The Verizon phone is a Globally unlocked Sim phone. It will work on GSM networks, only the bootloader is locked. Meaning you cannot flash it with other ROMS or the non Verizon factory image.
That mean that if I unlock the bootloader it will be easy to flash with the stock rom sound good thanks a lot
digamman said:
That mean that if I unlock the bootloader it will be easy to flash with the stock rom sound good thanks a lot
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To my knowledge Verizon Pixel 2 XL has a bootloader that can't be unlock... so I would say that is not a good choice!
It will work, but I'm not sure if it will support all of the bands used in France if you're buying in the US. You will need to check the bands your carrier users with the supported bands of the phone.
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Orange fr band are GSM 900 1800 umts 2100 900 and LTE 2600 800 2100
Pixel support :
NETWORK Technology
GSM / CDMA / HSPA / EVDO / LTE
2G bands GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
CDMA 800 / 1900
3G bands HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700(AWS) / 1900 / 2100
CDMA2000 1xEV-DO
4G bands LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 12(700), 13(700), 17(700), 20(800), 25(1900), 26(850), 28(700), 29(700), 30(2300), 32(1500), 38(2600), 40(2300), 41(2500), 66(1700/2100)
So everything will work for the network, the only thing i care is that if i put my sim in i hope that it will simply connect to orange
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France use GSM, Verizon uses CDMA. If the Verizon phone has only CDMA it won't work.
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digamman said:
Orange fr band are GSM 900 1800 umts 2100 900 and LTE 2600 800 2100
Pixel support :
NETWORK Technology
GSM / CDMA / HSPA / EVDO / LTE
2G bands GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
CDMA 800 / 1900
3G bands HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700(AWS) / 1900 / 2100
CDMA2000 1xEV-DO
4G bands LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 12(700), 13(700), 17(700), 20(800), 25(1900), 26(850), 28(700), 29(700), 30(2300), 32(1500), 38(2600), 40(2300), 41(2500), 66(1700/2100)
So everything will work for the network, the only thing i care is that if i put my sim in i hope that it will simply connect to orange
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I don't think it will unfortunately because the radio ROM is not the same as terre08 wrote (CDMA and not GSM as in France) and you won't be able to change it because the bootloader of the Verizon Pixel 2 XL is lock...
I live in France and use the Pixel 2 XL Google version with Free Mobile without issue. I imported it from the UK Google Store through Forward2me service.
Where do you live at the moment, in USA? Why the Verizon version and not the US Google Store version?
Hum in fact i've just see that i can't take with the verizon my mistake :/ i was trying to fin an opportunity to get the pixel 2 XL and pay it like in 4 times (can't be done on google store ) but with verizon it's a plan with a mobile contract so it will not work.
i'm in france also cause i'm french
digamman said:
Hum in fact i've just see that i can't take with the verizon my mistake :/ i was trying to fin an opportunity to get the pixel 2 XL and pay it like in 4 times (can't be done on google store ) but with verizon it's a plan with a mobile contract so it will not work.
i'm in france also cause i'm french
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You could have been french traveling to USA
Have a look to the UK version, no problem for me, received it in 2 days (1 day from Google to forward2me + 1 day from forward2me to my address in France with DHL delivery)
digamman said:
Hi, I wanted to know if i buy a verizon phone from us from bestbuy, will it work in france with orange, or is there any possibilities to change carrier options etc.
Thanks a lot
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Double check the LTE band frequencies that orange uses to make sure you get the best experience USA distributed phones will not have every frequency. In theory yes it's unlocked but might not be all bands of LTE that orange offers
DocteurN said:
You could have been french traveling to USA
Have a look to the UK version, no problem for me, received it in 2 days (1 day from Google to forward2me + 1 day from forward2me to my address in France with DHL delivery)
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I'm thinking of doing the same, but it's very expensive in the UK.
180€ more than the US version. But of course then there is the issue of the warranty.
Corduroy-21 said:
I'm thinking of doing the same, but it's very expensive in the UK.
180€ more than the US version. But of course then there is the issue of the warranty.
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The difference is lower, more around 70-80€
There is VAT on the US Google Store that is not in the $849. The PIXEL 2 XL really costs $929. And the deliver fees from US are more expensive that in UK not to mention the customs taxes that you could pay...
DocteurN said:
I don't think it will unfortunately because the radio ROM is not the same as terre08 wrote (CDMA and not GSM as in France) and you won't be able to change it because the bootloader of the Verizon Pixel 2 XL is lock...
I live in France and use the Pixel 2 XL Google version with Free Mobile without issue. I imported it from the UK Google Store through Forward2me service.
Where do you live at the moment, in USA? Why the Verizon version and not the US Google Store version?
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Every phone Verizon had sold for at least the last 2-3 years has been a GSM capable works phone. Given the information posted for carrier and phone bands, there shouldn't be any issues.
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imnuts said:
Every phone Verizon had sold for at least the last 2-3 years has been a GSM capable works phone. Given the information posted for carrier and phone bands, there shouldn't be any issues.
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Good to know, I wasn't aware of that!
I guess it's the same hardware both GSM/CDMA compatible but with a different Radio ROM...
DocteurN said:
Good to know, I wasn't aware of that!
I guess it's the same hardware both GSM/CDMA compatible but with a different Radio ROM...
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There isn't even much difference in the radio firmware, just minor changes to make it work better for Verizon's specific bands. There is very little different between the US Google store model and the one sold by Verizon.
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DocteurN said:
The difference is lower, more around 70-80€
There is VAT on the US Google Store that is not in the $849. The PIXEL 2 XL really costs $929. And the deliver fees from US are more expensive that in UK not to mention the customs taxes that you could pay...
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Yeah I forgot the VAT, but I won't be paying any customs or shipping. A friend of mine would bring it before X-mas. It's more than 100€ anyhow.
The biggest problem would be the warranty though.
Corduroy-21 said:
Yeah I forgot the VAT, but I won't be paying any customs or shipping. A friend of mine would bring it before X-mas. It's more than 100€ anyhow.
The biggest problem would be the warranty though.
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Yes you're right that why I chose UK Google Store