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It's a FACT that the color red is easy on the rods of human eyes.

Would it be possible to add a "night view" toggle mode for the ICS browser to make the browser display an image like this?
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Then, this wouldn't bother your partner trying to sleep next to you in bed because the rods of human eyes are not sensitive to the color red.
Another benefit is that this mode could be a "super battery saver" mode as well since the AMOLED is only using 1 color for the display. I don't think IPS/LCD/Super LCD would see any battery savings benefit.
One of the Android companies should patent this idea before Apple does. Apple has an ass load of cash, you know they are patenting every "stupid, frivolous" idea.
Is this possible?
Rods Do Not See Red!
The light response of the rods peaks sharply in the blue; they respond very little to red light. This leads to some interesting phenomena:
Red rose at twilight: In bright light, the color-sensitive cones are predominant and we see a brilliant red rose with somewhat more subdued green leaves. But at twilight, the less-sensitive cones begin to shut down for the night, and most of the vision comes from the rods. The rods pick up the green from the leaves much more strongly than the red from the petals, so the green leaves become brighter than the red petals!
The ship captain has red instrument lights. Since the rods do not respond to red, the captain can gain full dark-adapted vision with the rods with which to watch for icebergs and other obstacles outside. It would be undesirable to examine anything with white light even for a moment, because the attainment of optimum night-vision may take up to a half-hour. Red lights do not spoil it. (Yes, the ICS browser does do an inverted white & black mode, but this is not optimal to the anatomy of how human eyes work)
These phenomena arise from the nature of the rod-dominated dark-adapted vision, called scotopic vision.
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Your 'fact' is of a picture that hurts my eyes.

Hi,
Ouch!!!In red?
Black is better right?
In stock browser there is already something quite:settings/accessibility/inverted (sorry it's about that,French settings),so black is withe and vice versa,I think it saves the battery and at night it's less tiring for the eyes...
+1,agree with adrynalyne.

adrynalyne said:
Your 'fact' is of a picture that hurts my eyes.
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It may "hurt" your eyes now, but that's why many instruments are made to use red light, like airplane cockpits, ship vessel instrumentation, even Audi uses a red light scheme in the instrumentation of their cars, etc.
Try this as an experiment:
Open that image fullscreen
Go in your bedroom, turn off all the lights
Wait until your eyes adjust, may take up to 1/2hr
Open your laptop screen and view the image
Does it glare/blind/hurt your eyes to view the image?
Try the same experiment w/the ICS browser white & black inverted mode, but make sure to wait at least 1/2hr between viewings
The anatomists/doctors are right, red is a very soothing color to view at night. Even when I'm watching TV at night and my gf is sleeping with her eyes closed, she can still view the light from the TV through her eyelids. If the light was red though, it wouldn't bother her as much or at all.

I don't know about other people, and this is probably incredibly irrelevant to the thread, but my eyes relaxed the instant I looked at that image. I could feel the strain lessen significantly.
I am so going to read up on this. Thanks, Neo3D.

viking37 said:
Hi,
Ouch!!!In red?
Black is better right?
In stock browser there is already something quite:settings/accessibility/inverted (sorry it's about that,French settings),so black is withe and vice versa,I think it saves the battery and at night it's less tiring for the eyes...
+1,agree with adrynalyne.
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It would be undesirable to examine anything with white light even for a moment, because the attainment of optimum night-vision may take up to a half-hour. Red lights do not spoil it. (Yes, the ICS browser does do an inverted white & black mode, but this is not optimal to the anatomy of how the human eyes work)

This has been an option (for not just the browser, but the entire display) in Cyanogenmod for quite a while. I'm not sure if it's in the CM9 ports yet or not, but look for the RenderFX widget/settings. There are quite a few different filters to choose from, red being one of them. Definitely an eye saver at night.

I don't know if it's something Google will do, but it looks like a good mod. I'd be game for it.

copkay said:
This has been an option (for not just the browser, but the entire display) in Cyanogenmod for quite a while. I'm not sure if it's in the CM9 ports yet or not, but look for the RenderFX widget/settings. There are quite a few different filters to choose from, red being one of them. Definitely an eye saver at night.
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That's promising! If CM was able to do this in the past, maybe they can port it into current ICS builds?
And the thing is, I don't know why people are complaining, this is an idea for an optional feature. If you don't like it, then don't mod your device? It's cool and that's the beauty of Android. Everyone gets to use their device the way they want, not the way Apple thinks they should want.

You can try Chainfire3D: https://market.android.com/details?...t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImV1LmNoYWluZmlyZS5jZjNkIl0.
There is a night mode with some colors.
But I do not know at all if it will work on the Gnex/ICS...
For me it's horrible

There is an option for this if you have purchased Chainfire 3D. I can post a screenshot if you like. I'm not sure if this is available on the free version or you have to purchase the licence key. But there is a shortcut called "Toggle NightMode" which makes the screen colors red.

Neo3D said:
That's promising! If CM was able to do this in the past, maybe they can port it into current ICS builds?
And the thing is, I don't know why people are complaining, this is an idea for an optional feature. If you don't like it, then don't mod your device? It's cool and that's the beauty of Android. Everyone gets to use their device the way they want, not the way Apple thinks they should want.
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Yeah, that's the nature of the internet, it seems.
But yes, I'm sure it's possible, although I imagine it's probably a low priority feature. I don't really have any low-level experience with Android drivers, and that sort of thing, unfortunately, so I have no idea how difficult it is to implement. I wonder if the same could be accomplished with franco's ColorControl settings in his kernel? I just flashed back to stock 4.0.4 otherwise I'd check that for you.

Neo3D said:
It may "hurt" your eyes now, but that's why many instruments are made to use red light, like airplane cockpits, ship vessel instrumentation, even Audi uses a red light scheme in the instrumentation of their cars, etc.
Try this as an experiment:
Open that image fullscreen
Go in your bedroom, turn off all the lights
Wait until your eyes adjust, may take up to 1/2hr
Open your laptop screen and view the image
Does it glare/blind/hurt your eyes to view the image?
Try the same experiment w/the ICS browser white & black inverted mode, but make sure to wait at least 1/2hr between viewings
The anatomists/doctors are right, red is a very soothing color to view at night. Even when I'm watching TV at night and my gf is sleeping with her eyes closed, she can still view the light from the TV through her eyelids. If the light was red though, it wouldn't bother her as much or at all.
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My trucks dash lights were amber and red... were... I swapped them out for blue ones because I could see them better at night.
Anyway, are you from SLC? Im from the southern part of the state where the weather is nice and so are the people.

Neo3D said:
It may "hurt" your eyes now, but that's why many instruments are made to use red light, like airplane cockpits, ship vessel instrumentation, even Audi uses a red light scheme in the instrumentation of their cars, etc.
Try this as an experiment:
Open that image fullscreen
Go in your bedroom, turn off all the lights
Wait until your eyes adjust, may take up to 1/2hr
Open your laptop screen and view the image
Does it glare/blind/hurt your eyes to view the image?
Try the same experiment w/the ICS browser white & black inverted mode, but make sure to wait at least 1/2hr between viewings
The anatomists/doctors are right, red is a very soothing color to view at night. Even when I'm watching TV at night and my gf is sleeping with her eyes closed, she can still view the light from the TV through her eyelids. If the light was red though, it wouldn't bother her as much or at all.
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I would like to view you in a red light
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Neo3D said:
That's promising! If CM was able to do this in the past, maybe they can port it into current ICS builds?
And the thing is, I don't know why people are complaining, this is an idea for an optional feature. If you don't like it, then don't mod your device? It's cool and that's the beauty of Android. Everyone gets to use their device the way they want, not the way Apple thinks they should want.
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BTW, this is in every CM build ive seen, likely the newer ones as well.

viking37 said:
You can try Chainfire3D: https://market.android.com/details?...t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImV1LmNoYWluZmlyZS5jZjNkIl0.
There is a night mode with some colors.
But I do not know at all if it will work on the Gnex/ICS...
For me it's horrible
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Thanks just tried that, it makes everything red but there's no inverted colors mode
Almost there though!

This is the reason I liked using red text on night mode for Aldiko reader. Wish Google Books and Kindle let me do this.
Sent from my GSM Galaxy Nexus on TMoUS using Tapatalk

I'm with the "yay red" people on this one, red *is* the prominent color in cockpits at night, it helps to see the instruments .. but more so it helps to see outside! Any color lights can help see your instrumentation (whether it be automotive or aircraft) but it's absolutely critical to be able to see outside as much as possible when piloting an aircraft, and so red works best because it doesn't destroy your night vision.
Which having a browser in inverted red might also be beneficial in not screwing up your sleep cycle due to the direct and in-your-face white light that screws with your brain's sleep pattern when reading LCD/AMOLED devices in bed.

like a safe light in the darkroom
Sent from my francoPhone

ChongoDroid said:
like a safe light in the darkroom
Sent from my francoPhone
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That's just what I want to say, lol.

mumchristmas said:
That's just what I want to say, lol.
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I wonder if there is a similarity between the rods in our eyes and the silver in photographic paper. Hmm
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Note II screen partially tinted

Hello everyone. Right below the notification bar, there is a tinted area going sideways. This appeared about a week ago. Only the display is affected, this doesn't appear in screen shots. When I get the device in landscape mode, the tinted area stays physically over the same pixels, so it's now upside down. I took pics of the phone by another phone. The quality is not so good but sharp eyes will notice it. Anyone had the same problem? Any ideas what should I do about this?
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The first two are screenshots and in the last pic you can see bottom half of the username box is a darker tone.

Dr Fretless said:
Hello everyone. Right below the notification bar, there is a tinted area going sideways. This appeared about a week ago. Only the display is affected, this doesn't appear in screen shots. When I get the device in landscape mode, the tinted area stays physically over the same pixels, so it's now upside down. I took pics of the phone by another phone. The quality is not so good but sharp eyes will notice it. Anyone had the same problem? Any ideas what should I do about this?
The first two are screenshots and in the last pic you can see bottom half of the username box is a darker tone.
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Hi! It's probably screen burn in, common with amoled displays, I had it quite bad on my old phone. Caused by spending a lot of time on the messaging app, in which the part below the notification bar was grey, and the rest white. Brighter sections of the screen age faster.
I assume you use your phone in portrait mode a majority of the time?

csmiler said:
Hi! It's probably screen burn in, common with amoled displays, I had it quite bad on my old phone. Caused by spending a lot of time on the messaging app, in which the part below the notification bar was grey, and the rest white. Brighter sections of the screen age faster.
I assume you use your phone in portrait mode a majority of the time?
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I spend much time on tapatalk and yes in portrait mode. After reading your response my eye caught the bright blue bar of tapatalk 2s stock black theme. Probably that bar caused this because the screen is so dark with this theme but that blue bar.
But this shouldn't be taken as user error right? I think I should get a replacement screen as this phone has been in my hands for just 6 months. I'm still in warranty period.
What do you think?

Dr Fretless said:
I spend much time on tapatalk and yes in portrait mode. After reading your response my eye caught the bright blue bar of tapatalk 2s stock black theme. Probably that bar caused this because the screen is so dark with this theme but that blue bar.
But this shouldn't be taken as user error right? I think I should get a replacement screen as this phone has been in my hands for just 6 months. I'm still in warranty period.
What do you think?
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It's not an error, amoled screens age this way, it's quite normal.
I understand it's quite frustrating, once you see it, you can't unsee it.
Especially in just 6 months of use, I noticed this on my old Galaxy S after a year, and realized it was because I was on an AOSP rom for a few months which had white messaging with a grey bar.
They probably won't replace the screen, either saying there's nothing wrong with the display.
No loss trying, they might be nice enough to give you a new display! :good:

csmiler said:
It's not an error, amoled screens age this way, it's quite normal.
I understand it's quite frustrating, once you see it, you can't unsee it.
Especially in just 6 months of use, I noticed this on my old Galaxy S after a year, and realized it was because I was on an AOSP rom for a few months which had white messaging with a grey bar.
They probably won't replace the screen, either saying there's nothing wrong with the display.
No loss trying, they might be nice enough to give you a new display! :good:
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I see... But one expect at least a year to talk about aging. It's no big deal for now but if it gets darker I don't think I'd put up with it.
Too bad I love this thing a lot but guess I'll have to avoid amoled screens for my next device...

Dr Fretless said:
I see... But one expect at least a year to talk about aging. It's no big deal for now but if it gets darker I don't think I'd put up with it.
Too bad I love this thing a lot but guess I'll have to avoid amoled screens for my next device...
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Agreed, 6 months doesn't speak much off the quality.
I considered it too, but Samsung devices always have Amoled, and I like Samsung hardware, even though a lot of their devices are faulty, including mine.
The LCD is one of the main reasons I like HTC hardware, better color tone.

Dr Fretless said:
I see... But one expect at least a year to talk about aging. It's no big deal for now but if it gets darker I don't think I'd put up with it.
Too bad I love this thing a lot but guess I'll have to avoid amoled screens for my next device...
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Samsung Korea replaces panels for free if they can see a burn in. People there get quite worked up about this issue on amoled displays so Samsung does replace them quietly. Heck there's even people who leave the screen on blue (apparently the best colour for getting burn ins) and get them replaced on purpose. Not sure about anywhere else though. It's worth a try visiting a Samsung service centre if you can find one near you.

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Samsung Korea replaces panels for free if they can see a burn in. People there get quite worked up about this issue on amoled displays so Samsung does replace them quietly. Heck there's even people who leave the screen on blue (apparently the best colour for getting burn ins) and get them replaced on purpose. Not sure about anywhere else though. It's worth a try visiting a Samsung service centre if you can find one near you.
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Hey, that's good news. I'll try talking to a center when I get time. Thank you very much.

tip for you guys. this issue with amoled screen is a common issue. you can check you note 2's screen burn by doing this test, open the Phone app and type *#0*#, check colors Red, Green and Blue (blue is most commonly affected). Note 2 is my 3rd smartphone with AMOLED screen for me. the first 2 phones got screenburned big time, but I took extra care of this one. it has a little screenburn in the notification area but you can hardly tell the difference even when testing it with the test I mentioned above.
here's 2 things to avoid: exposing screen to direct sunlight, keeping screen to full brightness al the time. better luck with next amoled screen.

ovidiugr said:
tip for you guys. this issue with amoled screen is a common issue. you can check you note 2's screen burn by doing this test, open the Phone app and type *#0*#, check colors Red, Green and Blue (blue is most commonly affected). Note 2 is my 3rd smartphone with AMOLED screen for me. the first 2 phones got screenburned big time, but I took extra care of this one. it has a little screenburn in the notification area but you can hardly tell the difference even when testing it with the test I mentioned above.
here's 2 things to avoid: exposing screen to direct sunlight, keeping screen to full brightness al the time. better luck with next amoled screen.
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Thanks for the tip. Good to know that there's a way to avoid this. I use this phone as a navigator when driving so it must have gotten a great deal of direct sunlight. I'll keep the flip cover shut when not using the maps now.
Thank you all guys.

Q: Does your screen have a blue or yellow tint?

Hi, I've noticed that my screen seems to have a warmer color tone to it, along with an slight overall yellow tint. You can see it best on light gray colors. I also had an AT&T model for a few days (returned) and that phone had a cooler, overall blue tint to it. You could really see the difference with the phones side by side. I've talked to friends with a AT&T and a Verizon version, they said their screens have the cooler toned blue tint.
So what tint is your screen, if any?
I'm wondering, maybe Tmobile just calibrates their screens for the warmer look... or is there something wrong with mine? Thanks.

aimfire72 said:
Hi, I've noticed that my screen seems to have a warmer color tone to it, along with an slight overall yellow tint. You can see it best on light gray colors. I also had an AT&T model for a few days (returned) and that phone had a cooler, overall blue tint to it. You could really see the difference with the phones side by side. I've talked to friends with a AT&T and a Verizon version, they said their screens have the cooler toned blue tint.
So what tint is your screen, if any?
I'm wondering, maybe Tmobile just calibrates their screens for the warmer look... or is there something wrong with mine? Thanks.
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Settings > Accessibility > Color Adjustment
turquoise circle over camera is the best setting for me.

YiZK said:
Settings > Accessibility > Color Adjustment
turquoise circle over camera is the best setting for me.
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Yes, but what was the screen tone before you did that?

OK... no one here today? lol
So I just went to T-Mobile store to compare, side by side... The screens are their demo phones actually looked worse than mine, almost a green tone to them and not nearly as bright. One thing for sure, they did not have the blueish tint to them, was more of a green/yellow. I'm beginning to think that since every carrier seems to have messed around with the software so much, they probably also adjusted the screen calibrations as well. I'm going to check at the Verizon store and another T-Mobile just to verify

Mine is t-mobile and bright white.. The nexus 5 had the same issue, 2 different screen manufacturers one with a warmer almost yellow screen and the other blue cooler feel.. I've been lucky with both my nexus 5 and g3 both are bright white screens and no yellow. You could try swapping it and hope you get a better screen.

Why with every new phone release this topic comes up? We know every screen's not made the same, some is warm some are cool.
Sent from my LG-D851 using Tapatalk

shook187 said:
Why with every new phone release this topic comes up? We know every screen's not made the same, some is warm some are cool.
Sent from my LG-D851 using Tapatalk
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Because when people pay $600+ for a new phone that's main feature is the screen, they want to make sure nothing is wrong with theirs.

Long story short, went to my T-Mobile store to compare to display models and possibly do an exchange. Compared side by side, trying out different stock wallpapers at 100% brightness. The two display models they had were also yellowish, but noticeably much more dim. Compared to an employee's phone, his was also yellowish and very dim. My phone looked good compared to all those!
Stopped by a 3rd party T-Mobile store on way home to see their display model. Not yellow at all, it had the cooler blue tone, but also much dimmer than my phone. Decided to go to the store where I originally purchased mine and compare to those... Both display models had the blueish tone, as well as the manager's phone - however, mine was still much brighter than all. So was going to exchange and we opened the new box... That phone was even more yellowish than mine and also much dimmer. Opened another one, just as bad! Those were the last two they had in stock, so they arranged for me to go to another store and try again.
Got to the other store, they got a new phone out for me - same yellowish tone and dimmer than mine. I didn't want to make them open every phone again, so I kept my original phone and left. The manager thinks they may have gotten an "off" batch maybe, and if that were the case, then every store in the area would have phones from this batch. He suggested that I come back in about a week when they get a new shipment, perhaps from a different batch, and try again.
So... out of 10 T-Mobile phones that I saw today:
- 4 had cooler blueish tone screens
- 6 had warmer yellowish tone screens
- My phone was brighter than all of them!
Not sure what to make of all this, lol... cannot believe the differences in the displays on this phone. And why is mine so freakin' bright?? lol... Is it a freak accident or did I maybe somehow get like a 2nd revision screen on my phone? Not sure... What do you all make of this?

I've noticed no tint on mine and it's plenty bright. I keep it at 60% and it looks great

bfranklin1986 said:
I've noticed no tint on mine and it's plenty bright. I keep it at 60% and it looks great
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Mine is good and keep at 40 to extend battery just a bit. When rooted and I remove a lot of junk I will be ok for whole day.

I also noticed that (see my reply in "screen problem" thread).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54262695&postcount=17
Open Google.com with Chrome (or stock browser) using desktop view to compare.
I used my Note 3 to compare (100% brightness).
The one has "reddish" tint seems to have more problem (dark screen, overly shaded fonts on standby screen) while "cool tint" one looks "normal". In addition, I found out cool tint one runs cool.

Nope no color tints
-Sent from my TMO LG G3 using Tapatalk

FYI, I found a corp store has both good and bad models
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DO NOT buy the one on the left (warm color). NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER BUY WARM WHITE SCREEN MODEL!!!!!!!!

mingkee said:
FYI, I found a corp store has both good and bad models
DO NOT buy the one on the left (warm color). NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER BUY WARM WHITE SCREEN MODEL!!!!!!!!
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too bad you didnt have the same page up on both phones for an accurate comparison.AND, some people like warm tones more than cool ones..

mingkee said:
FYI, I found a corp store has both good and bad models
DO NOT buy the one on the left (warm color). NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER BUY WARM WHITE SCREEN MODEL!!!!!!!!
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Excellent - thanks for that pic!
It's crazy how bad the differences are! There haven't been many reports of bad screens, but when there are, it's usually the T-Mobile version. No idea what's going on with their phones.

mingkee said:
FYI, I found a corp store has both good and bad models
DO NOT buy the one on the left (warm color). NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER BUY WARM WHITE SCREEN MODEL!!!!!!!!
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how do we know the brightness was set to the same level on each phone sir ?

wavrunrx said:
how do we know the brightness was set to the same level on each phone sir ?
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Why would he lie? lol
Some of the screens on the T-Mobile models vary wildly from phone to phone. If you have a good screen, then cool... but some of us do not and are trying to figure out what's going on.

ATT model I had was warm/yellow and also a little brighter. TMO one I bought yesterday is cool/blue but a little dimmer. I always prefer the cooler blue screens.

Skizzy034 said:
ATT model I had was warm/yellow and also a little brighter. TMO one I bought yesterday is cool/blue but a little dimmer. I always prefer the cooler blue screens.
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Yeah, the cooler blue screen is normal, you got a good one.

wase4711 said:
too bad you didnt have the same page up on both phones for an accurate comparison.AND, some people like warm tones more than cool ones..
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The reason not to buy warm tone screen one is such screen appears to have more problem (heating, overshadowing, and darker screen) than cool tone screen one.
Both were adjusted to same conditions (brightness, wallpaper) but the one on the left did not have data access.
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how do we know the brightness was set to the same level on each phone sir ?
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I already set the brightness to max on both, and set no color adjustment on accessibility.
Even you may not be able to see the page, check out the soft buttons on the bottom.
In addition, I need to check the return policy if I get "warm" screen one because I mentioned above.

Galaxy Tab S Mura Effect Problem (Test yours)

I have been noticing that when I am looking at darker solid colors they sometimes appear to have a slight gradient to them. I know this is an AMOLED panel, so when a true black pixel is displayed, that AMOLED display pixel should appear completely black (as in, NO light is emitted). This is one advantage to AMOLED panels. So even at 100% display brightness, a true black screen should appear OFF.
So I created some test images in Photoshop to see to see how different shades of black and near black appear on the screen (I tested tones from 100% black to dark gray).
From my test, I found that my tablet does in fact turn completely OFF when 100% black is displayed. BUT my panel actually appears to have a slight backlight bleeding problem (Edit: Mura Effect).This is only noticeable when I am viewing colors that are very dark (but not completely black) and consistent. Also, It it's only visible in pretty dark rooms. I am not sure if I am going to return/exchange my tablet out yet.
I thought I would share my process for others to try to see if this is a common problem first...
Here is a Dropbox link to the files I made to test the problem:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wtfuazfn7i7z09o/AABvbRuA7-MUx_tF7xmmGSfAa
Method:
1: Open link up in the Dropbox app on your tablet (file sizes are full screen). Or feel free to download the files to your tablet and view them in the gallery app.
2. Turn screen brightness to 100%.
3. Make sure you're in a DARK room.
3. View files on your tablet at full screen.
Image 1 should appear 100% black (your screen should appear OFF). Image 1 is NOT going to be the image that will make Mura noticeable. Image 2, 3, 4 and 5 should start to appear slightly lighter as you scroll through the images. Watch out for inconsistent shade gradients like you see on my examples below (this is what tells you if you have Mura effect problems).
Here are what my results unfortunately look like. As you can see, image 1 does appear completely black (don't mind the reflections in the pictures). But the effect is pretty obvious on images 2 and 3
What are your results?
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well first of all seeing my screen on full bright but appearing to look off was pretty cool. also on mine i did not have a bleeding problem and they all seemed to have a solid difference with nothing visible to my eye.
i have the 10.5 and had to put in portrait mode to gett full screen.
thanks

Well technically your super amoled panel cannot have backlight bleed because there is no backlight. What you are seeing is referred to as a mura effect and should not be happening with this advanced of a panel. It has been confirmed that some of the 8.4 units have defective screens. On my 10.5 unit all dark colors look solid with no mura effect at all. Here is one of your sample images on my screen. Of course if you view this on your tablet you may see the mura effect. View it on your PC.

No 'bleeding' here either.

I have a T700 (8.4) and have just testet you pictures, - mine also have some Mura Effect, however not as dominant as the ones you posted here. I can see on this link here that it unfortunately seams to be an issue on most of the units -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/help/users-feedback-want-to-buy-8-4-t2834969
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ThE_SoUrCe said:
No 'bleeding' here either.
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Which version do you have?

AZBoomer said:
1: Open link up in the Dropbox app on your tablet your tablet and view them in the gallery app.
2. Turn screen brightness to 100%.
3. Make sure you're in a DARK room.
3. View files on your tablet at full screen.
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Even if there is a problem if the only way to realize is to create conditions no one would ever encounter (100% brightness in a dark room on only specific backgrounds) is it really a problem?

BarryH_GEG said:
Even if there is a problem if the only way to realize is to create conditions no one would ever encounter (100% brightness in a dark room on only specific backgrounds) is it really a problem?
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This is XDA. What did you expect?

Omg thats terrible

rockbastard said:
I have a T700 (8.4) and have just testet you pictures, - mine also have some Mura Effect, however not as dominant as the ones you posted here. I can see on this link here that it unfortunately seams to be an issue on most of the units -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/help/users-feedback-want-to-buy-8-4-t2834969
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T705. I noticed 3 green dots though.

I do not notice anyyhing like that on my 8.4.
I would get an exchange if you still can. Never know what the ramifications in the future to the display may be.

BarryH_GEG said:
Even if there is a problem if the only way to realize is to create conditions no one would ever encounter (100% brightness in a dark room on only specific backgrounds) is it really a problem?
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Exactly this. Some people have waayyyy too much time on their hands, I don't know how they manage to live their lives if this sort of nothingness is enough to trouble them. What exactly are you intending to do with this tablet, color time a Hollywood movie?
Must be a real killer for some people every time they have to change channel on their tv, I have to wait 0.4 seconds for the next station to come on. It's terrible.

Nobody can see this with their naked eyes.
Everyone that posts about this use ultra high iso pictures to show it.
Its a non problem.

DAvid_B said:
Nobody can see this with their naked eyes.
Everyone that posts about this use ultra high iso pictures to show it.
Its a non problem.
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It actually is pretty noticeable even at 25% brightness when you're just using the tablet normally. Now it doesn't show up everywhere. You can see it pretty easily in the notification shade and in the settings menu. Or when you open up Chrome with no tabs, that background is not perfectly solid and I notice it every time. You can also see it on darker full screen photos too.
Still not sure if I care enough to exchange it. Although, I am very picky about image color representation as I am a photographer and this panel on AMOLED Photo mode matches my calibrated monitors pretty well, but that dark gradient just bothers me sometimes!

AZBoomer said:
It actually is pretty noticeable even at 25% brightness when you're just using the tablet normally. Now it doesn't show up everywhere. You can see it pretty easily in the notification shade and in the settings menu. Or when you open up Chrome with no tabs, that background is not perfectly solid and I notice it every time. You can also see it on darker full screen photos too.
Still not sure if I care enough to exchange it. Although, I am very picky about image color representation as I am a photographer and this panel on AMOLED Photo mode matches my calibrated monitors pretty well, but that dark gradient just bothers me sometimes!
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Is yours also the 8.4 version?
3 I work with all have the 8.4 (T700) version myself included. All have visible Mura effect at normal settings. Samsung run an ad campaign here in Denmark, where you can buy and try for 30 days one did an exchange - but same result, visible Mura effect - however under normal working conditions is not a big issue.. Bur as a still photo viewer I understand your point.

Mine has dark mura at top right corner with dark banding at the lower screen

rockbastard said:
Is yours also the 8.4 version?
3 I work with all have the 8.4 (T700) version myself included. All have visible Mura effect at normal settings. Samsung run an ad campaign here in Denmark, where you can buy and try for 30 days one did an exchange - but same result, visible Mura effect - however under normal working conditions is not a big issue.. Bur as a still photo viewer I understand your point.
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Yes, I have the 8.4 inch version. If it really is that common, I may just keep it. It does bother me, but overall I am happy with the tablet and am happy with the battery life. Not sure I want to chance getting a new one it it not being any better...We'll see though.

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Even if there is a problem if the only way to realize is to create conditions no one would ever encounter (100% brightness in a dark room on only specific backgrounds) is it really a problem?
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These are the conditions to make it easily noticeable. I on my hand did notice the issue on regular use of the tablet:
- First noticed it while reading an e-book, the tint of the background was not homogenous.
- Then I noticed it while browsing the tablet options: "huh, the gradient on the background is not regular.. oh wait, it's not supposed to be a gradient".
- And now I notice it while playing movies, when the scenes are dark.
100% brightness is not a requirement for it to be visible. Actually, minimal brightness while in the darkness works very well at revealing the issue.
However, it is extremely unlikely that someone ever notice the issue while using the tab in daylight. In my case, I use it mainly in the darkness, and often get to see it.

Damn you OP, mine got it too...anyway, it isn't really noticeable with most content so I just keep mine since it seems very common anyway.

That's defective. You guys should not be satisfied at keeping it like that. I have no such effect. I'd take it back if it were mine. I didn't pay $600 for a tablet to have a defect like that

Inkedadrenaline said:
That's defective. You guys should not be satisfied at keeping it like that. I have no such effect. I'd take it back if it were mine. I didn't pay $600 for a tablet to have a defect like that
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I don't know if it's defective, but if it is it's a defect that affects most AMOLED screens and all of the Tab S 8.4 I could test it for (3 of them). My Galaxy SII is affected as well, so is my PS Vita. And my friend's. And his Note II.
I returned my unit twice, once through the online store and once through the physical one, all of them suffered from Mura effects. Either I am utterly unlucky, or a large amount of the tabs are affected.

Question Got my 6 Pro but feeling a little underwhelmed with the screen

Hi,
First of all I am coming from the OP 8 Pro which has a beautiful screen and whites are whites let me get that out of the way first of all.
The customisation Google allows users to do to OUR screens is ridiculous imo.
No RGB, No wide colour gamut and no white balance adjustment.
Is there anyway to get rid of the awful yellow/green on blacks on these screens without root?
Also is there any way to remove material you or at least allow Black/White in the accent colours? I mean come on Google WTAF were they thinking, I don't want any accent on my screen to be crappy coloured it looks washed out with any of the 4 colours.
Also the Normal/Boosted and Adaptive are all weak imo still nowhere near as nice looking as my OP 8 Pro in Wide colour gamut mode.
I have 1 week before I decide what I am doing with this but right now I look at my OP 8 Pro screen and then my Pixel 6 Pro screen and it looks like total puke.
Sorry have to be honest to die hard Google fans, Since Google started to calibrate warm screens since the Pixel 4 XL which I duly sent back also I haven't had a Pixel since then until now and they still are not listening to their customers it seems.

Nope there isn't. Some people prefer overblown colors, others prefer a more muted - dare I say - natural looking screen.
I agree that the level of customisation is lacking and I understand your frustrations. But having had many different devices through the years, you'll usually adapt to the difference in color temperature and gamut over time and that'll become your new standard. It is much like sound from speakers - one initially prefers the sound one is accustomed to and over time either grows to love the new sound profile or keep despising it.

Ady1976 said:
Hi,
First of all I am coming from the OP 8 Pro which has a beautiful screen and whites are whites let me get that out of the way first of all.
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According to this... (display tests)
Pixel 6 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/google-pixel-6-pro-display-review/
Position in Global Ranking #6
Position in Ultra-Premium Ranking #5
OP 8 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/oneplus-8-pro-display-review-color-rendering-a-strength/
Position in Global Ranking #20
You did mention that you have problems with "whites are whites" with your Pixel and not with your OnePlus - maybe you have a defective screen. My P6 Pros display has no problems with whites, yellows or green. Everything fine here.

vPro97 said:
Nope there isn't. Some people prefer overblown colors, others prefer a more muted - dare I say - natural looking screen.
I agree that the level of customisation is lacking and I understand your frustrations. But having had many different devices through the years, you'll usually adapt to the difference in color temperature and gamut over time and that'll become your new standard. It is much like sound from speakers - one initially prefers the sound one is accustomed to and over time either grows to love the new sound profile or keep despising it.
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I think the colours are probably just about ok at boosted or adaptive what is making them look even more is the materail you and the warm yellow screen calibration, It doesn't help with colours or whites on any screen even TV's.
Me personally like any TV or Monitor or any screen for that matter they should be configurable to any user, the way google sets their phones up is like a stick it or lump it attitude and it really is not winning me over, People would not keep a TV they were not happy with if the picture could not be adjusted and so goes the same for mobile phone screens and to be quite frank Google the last few years or so have gone worse in terms of screen customisation, Even dare I say it Apple (Cough cough) has white balance adjustments, Why for the love of god do Google not add more screen options, I think I may send it back if nothing can be done, If I could have at least selected black/white is accent colours that would have helped a little for the rest of the green puke on blacks but this screen is just not sharp to me, Even the font they use looks unclear compared to my OP 8 Pro, Weird as it sounds as I have never been a OP fan but they have nailed the screens lately and have a ton of customisation options to boot.
I may wait for the OP 10 Pro, Somehow I don't think I can live with a device that you use for hours each day and is the most important factor imo.

Morgrain said:
According to this... (display tests)
Pixel 6 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/google-pixel-6-pro-display-review/
Position in Global Ranking #6
Position in Ultra-Premium Ranking #5
OP 8 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/oneplus-8-pro-display-review-color-rendering-a-strength/
Position in Global Ranking #20
You did mention that you have problems with "whites are whites" with your Pixel and not with your OnePlus - maybe you have a defective screen. My P6 Pros display has no problems with whites, yellows or green. Everything fine here.
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HI,
It's my second P6 Pro I received yesterday and they both look exactly the same, They have been calibrated warm as Google has been doing for a few years now and not having enough configurable display options to allow the user to configure their devcie to their liking, I don't expect miracles but I expect a flagship phone to be adjustable to my needs and likes.
I prefer the cool white look and this is screen is not that, Doesn't look as bad in daylight but in duller darker rooms is looks awful to my eyes, Font is too bold, No black accent colour to get rid off the green puke on blacks because of material you and no white balance adjustment just sucks for a premium device imo.
I will see if I can take a picture both side by side so people can see how white my OP 8 Pro is but sometimes cameras take half assed pics of screens.

Ady1976 said:
I think the colours are probably just about ok at boosted or adaptive what is making them look even more is the materail you and the warm yellow screen calibration, It doesn't help with colours or whites on any screen even TV's.
Me personally like any TV or Monitor or any screen for that matter they should be configurable to any user, the way google sets their phones up is like a stick it or lump it attitude and it really is not winning me over, People would not keep a TV they were not happy with if the picture could not be adjusted and so goes the same for mobile phone screens and to be quite frank Google the last few years or so have gone worse in terms of screen customisation, Even dare I say it Apple (Cough cough) has white balance adjustments, Why for the love of god do Google not add more screen options, I think I may send it back if nothing can be done, If I could have at least selected black/white is accent colours that would have helped a little for the rest of the green puke on blacks but this screen is just not sharp to me, Even the font they use looks unclear compared to my OP 8 Pro, Weird as it sounds as I have never been a OP fan but they have nailed the screens lately and have a ton of customisation options to boot.
I may wait for the OP 10 Pro, Somehow I don't think I can live with a device that you use for hours each day and is the most important factor imo.
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It's not your imagination. Color rendering on all variable rate displays has suffered. Between the variable refresh rate and adjustable brightness accurate color rendering is a casualty.
I haven't use any of the variable refresh rate displays because of this. There are complaints about all manufacturers/models and the P6 has gotten more than its share.
My color perception is in the top 1% of the population. Someone who is at 80% etc can't even see what I can in color shifts. As you ability to perceive color increases so will your expectations. Poor color rendering in a display is extremely annoying to me.
As far as fixed refresh rate displays go the Note 10+ is still near or at the top of the heap for color rendering. It surpasses all the variable refresh rate displays for color rendering.
However starting with the N20U, the S21U and the Fold 3 with variable rate displays the color rendering index dropped. These displays are extremely hard for the manufacturer to color calibrate even for Samsung who are on the bleeding edge of commercial AMOLED technology.
If the small decrease in color rendering is perceivable depends perhaps of the user but it's definitely measurable. It has dropped on all the variable rate displays currently available.
One reason I'm still happily using 2 yo technology...

Use night light to reallllly make it yellow then turn it off, it'll look more whiter for you orrrrr don't buy a pixel lol

blackhawk said:
It's not your imagination. Color rendering on all variable rate displays has suffered. Between the variable refresh rate and adjustable brightness accurate color rendering is a casualty.
I haven't use any of the variable refresh rate displays because of this. There are complaints about all manufacturers/models and the P6 has gotten more than its share.
My color perception is in the top 1% of the population. Someone who is at 80% etc can't even see what I can in color shifts. As you ability to perceive color increases so will your expectations. Poor color rendering in a display is extremely annoying to me.
As far as fixed refresh rate displays go the Note 10+ is still near or at the top of the heap for color rendering. It surpasses all the variable refresh rate displays for color rendering.
However starting with the N20U, the S21U and the Fold 3 with variable rate displays the color rendering index dropped. These displays are extremely hard for the manufacturer to color calibrate even for Samsung who are on the bleeding edge of commercial AMOLED technology.
If the small decrease in color rendering is perceivable depends perhaps of the user but it's definitely measurable. It has dropped on all the variable rate displays currently available.
One reason I'm still happily using 2 yo technology...
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Hey funny you should say that because my Sony TV doesn't look that good at 120hz neither, Colours change from 60hz to 120hz.
But my OP 8 Pro is pure white and good colours, All I can think of they calibrated it for the highest resolution which to be honest is what Google should have done.

kevinireland11 said:
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Yep it's the reason I sent the 4XL back lol, I'd have thought that many would have complained in the meantime since the last 2 gens and Google would have done something about it, Maybe my eyes are sensitive to screen setup quality or colour or something but I don't rate this screen at all.

blackhawk said:
It's not your imagination. Color rendering on all variable rate displays has suffered. Between the variable refresh rate and adjustable brightness accurate color rendering is a casualty.
I haven't use any of the variable refresh rate displays because of this. There are complaints about all manufacturers/models and the P6 has gotten more than its share.
My color perception is in the top 1% of the population. Someone who is at 80% etc can't even see what I can in color shifts. As you ability to perceive color increases so will your expectations. Poor color rendering in a display is extremely annoying to me.
As far as fixed refresh rate displays go the Note 10+ is still near or at the top of the heap for color rendering. It surpasses all the variable refresh rate displays for color rendering.
However starting with the N20U, the S21U and the Fold 3 with variable rate displays the color rendering index dropped. These displays are extremely hard for the manufacturer to color calibrate even for Samsung who are on the bleeding edge of commercial AMOLED technology.
If the small decrease in color rendering is perceivable depends perhaps of the user but it's definitely measurable. It has dropped on all the variable rate displays currently available.
One reason I'm still happily using 2 yo technology...
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Agree about VRR but my s21U @120 Hz display looks *Much* better than my P6P display. The colour is much more vibrant. The P6P display looks dull and yellow IMHO. I'm very underwhelmed by it

Ady1976 said:
Yep it's the reason I sent the 4XL back lol, I'd have thought that many would have complained in the meantime since the last 2 gens and Google would have done something about it, Maybe my eyes are sensitive to screen setup quality or colour or something but I don't rate this screen at all.
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Agreed. I don't think it's a very good panel maybe B+ overall.

Batfink33 said:
Agree about VRR but my s21U @120 Hz display looks *Much* better than my P6P display. The colour is much more vibrant. The P6P display looks dull and yellow IMHO. I'm very underwhelmed by it
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I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint - Pixels are calibrated between a mix of what most TV makers call Warm I/II (which most consider as "accurate")), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION! GREEN IS GREEN! AND THAT MEANS COMIC GREEN! VIBRANT MAXIMUS! (there are thousands and thousands of hues of green, but not with an oversaturated phone...)".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.

Morgrain said:
I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION!".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
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Aside from the colours, the panel just looks much better. There's even noticeable PWM on my P6P that the s21U doesn't have. After years of trying to get the right tuning , contrast etc on my TVs I've decided to go with what I like , same for phones, the P6P just doesn't look that nice to me. PS. I didn't think the OP8Pronhad a good display either, mine had pretty bad green tint and black crush at low brightness.

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There's even noticeable PWM on my P6P that the s21U doesn't have.
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Interesting. My family has many S21Us and I've noticed flicker on their phones, but not on my P6 Pro. In the end it's a question of sensitivity I guess. Every modern flagshipphone flickers/ has PMW (Iphones, Samsungs, Pixels...), so in the end I'd say get the device that's best for your eyes/headaches.
According to https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsu...proved-in-many-ways-but-not-all.517524.0.html the S21 Ultra has
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I looked for a test with the P6 Pro, but haven't found such a graphic yet.

Morgrain said:
Interesting. My family has many S21Us and I've noticed flicker on their phones, but not on my P6 Pro. In the end it's a question of sensitivity I guess. Every modern flagshipphone flickers/ has PMW (Iphones, Samsungs, Pixels...), so in the end I'd say get the device that's best for your eyes/headaches.
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Of course, you should get the display you like. A lot is probably subjective anyway.

Morgrain said:
I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint - Pixels are calibrated between a mix of what most TV makers call Warm I/II (which most consider as "accurate")), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION! GREEN IS GREEN! AND THAT MEANS COMIC GREEN! VIBRANT MAXIMUS! (there are thousands and thousands of hues of green, but not with an oversaturated phone...)".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
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The S21U is not "missing colors when in vibrant mode. Although you may find colors oversaturated.

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Agreed. I don't think it's a very good panel maybe B+ overall.
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I don't know if it is the panel or the way it has been configured but the more you turn the brightness up the more washed out it gets unlike my OP 8 Pro it is just clear right the way through, However I agree it is not pleasing to my eyes at all, The font for the status bar looks blurry, No white accent to get rid of the puke and can't disable that theming nonsense look, While this may look good to some it does not to me at all.

Morgrain said:
I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint - Pixels are calibrated between a mix of what most TV makers call Warm I/II (which most consider as "accurate")), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION! GREEN IS GREEN! AND THAT MEANS COMIC GREEN! VIBRANT MAXIMUS! (there are thousands and thousands of hues of green, but not with an oversaturated phone...)".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
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Yes but question do you watch everyday TV programs with Warm 1 or Warm 2 as it is known on Sony TV's? I am going to stick my neck out and say you probably don't as most Warm profiles on TV's is for Movies only not everyday use and the fact is I can adjust it on my TV back to neutral without that yellow look.
As for the colours yes they do look natural and just about right but it's that washed out look that makes the colours look even more muted, No point having a good colour profile and then washing them out all with yellow is there lets be honest it does not make sense and never has why they do this on a device that you look at 99% of the time and 9 times out of 10 your not watching movies on it anyway.
Also not just the yellow tint you have to put up with on these P 6's and Pro's it's even that crappy material you that you can't turn and so no mater what wallpaper you use it's adding yet another layer of colour on top of the yellow already, So you've got yellow and 1 of them 4 accent colours messing everything up, My problem is with Google is they are not helping at all by not allowing users to configure their screens, You would not in a million years as an enthusiast purchase a TV that you cannot configure the screen for so.

Ady1976 said:
I don't know if it is the panel or the way it has been configured but the more you turn the brightness up the more washed out it gets unlike my OP 8 Pro it is just clear right the way through, However I agree it is not pleasing to my eyes at all, The font for the status bar looks blurry, No white accent to get rid of the puke and can't disable that theming nonsense look, While this may look good to some it does not to me at all.
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To each their own I suppose. I had the OP 8 Pro before the P6P, and I prefer the P6P's display. The OP 8 Pro would give me a headache after a while of viewing, and the P6P's display does not.
I also prefer the more natural colors of the P6P than the exceedingly vibrant, almost cartoonish-like colors of the Samsung, and OP displays to a lesser extent.

Ady1976 said:
I don't know if it is the panel or the way it has been configured but the more you turn the brightness up the more washed out it gets unlike my OP 8 Pro it is just clear right the way through, However I agree it is not pleasing to my eyes at all, The font for the status bar looks blurry, No white accent to get rid of the puke and can't disable that theming nonsense look, While this may look good to some it does not to me at all.
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That's interesting you said about the font looking blurry, this is something I also see but I don't know whats causing it, text looks grainy to me. I don't know the technical reason or why but there's a kind of grain to the display that I can see.