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hello everyone. i'm thinking bout gettting a defy. just wanted to know what everyone thought about it. i have a iphone 3g but cant use it on t-mobile only on the edge network its so slow. i really like that i can change anything with my iphone i want. is the defy fully customizable?
Motorola usues a locked bootloader so it will never be "fully customizable" when compared to devices made by HTC, but there is a LOT that can be done to it. If you take a look around the forum you will see what all is possible. Though a lot of what is done here requires you to be rooted first.
As far as my thoughts on the phone itself I am really happy with it. I probably would have preferred a G2 or MT4G, but for the price this is a great phone and I like that I don't have to worry as much about it getting damaged. It is certainly fast enough (once overclocked) to compete with the big boys. I have no regrets.
Thanks for the info
if you think you can change what you like on an iphone then u will enjoy being able to change things on android since its totally open their is a lot been done already.
I think it is much better and to use as a phone its brilliant plus its waterpoof!
Or have the the devs gone onto greener pastures?
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It takes time and patience, both for the devs trying to crack the safe, and for the people that want the goods. The devs can either spend time posting everything that didn't work or they can spend time thinking of and trying other tricks. I prefer progress over frequent status reports.
You can also watch the Incredible S forums as it's very possible if they find a hack first that it will work for the Incredible 2.
The more we ask like little kids on a car ride with mom and dad, the less harder they are going to work for us. Devs HATE ETA. let me repeat this, THEY HATE IT!!! When/ IF full unlock root comes it will most likely first be in the hands of raskal and the XTC clip, thats perm root but we need a software root like the Thunderbolt, and trust me when I say this, every DEV wants to be the one to crack it. Give it time, enjoy the phone for what it is, or if you're like me and still have your inc1/old phone go do some root things on that to hold you over, 2.1 ROMs and becoming very stable with 3.0 additions over on inc1. Just imagine what root will be like on this phone.
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The more we ask like little kids on a car ride with mom and dad, the less harder they are going to work for us. Devs HATE ETA. let me repeat this, THEY HATE IT!!! When/ IF full unlock root comes it will most likely first be in the hands of raskal and the XTC clip, thats perm root but we need a software root like the Thunderbolt, and trust me when I say this, every DEV wants to be the one to crack it. Give it time, enjoy the phone for what it is, or if you're like me and still have your inc1/old phone go do some root things on that to hold you over, 2.1 ROMs and becoming very stable with 3.0 additions over on inc1. Just imagine what root will be like on this phone.
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Well said!
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Moved to proper forum.
I'm a noob, so this may not go over well. Many people are seeking to upgrade their phones soon, like myself. I have a Dinc that is rooted and loaded with roms that are backed up. Rooting and romming is now a way of life for me, and I really am considering the Dinc II.
However, when you go through long periods of not hearing anything at all (especially for a relatively new phone as the DincII), it makes you wonder if you should pass, or upgrade to something you may not really want as much, but is rootable.
To all the Devs out there that work hard, myself and others really appreciate your hard work with no certainty of a payoff. From what it looks like to me is that many seeking updates do ask in very respectful ways if this, or certain other phones are "lost causes" or not. I know I check periodically and try to be as patient ass I can be. I believe that most others are too.
Exactly! I'm thankful for the work they're doing, but it's hard to keep the faith when there is silence.
My hope is that the DincS work can be repurposed and that this is a lot of sturm und drang over nothing!
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I know I'm not then norm, but I figure I'll throw in my 2 cents anyway:
When and if permaroot becomes available for this phone, that's great. If it never does, I'm still content knowing that I have a great phone, and I can temp root to do the few things I need to do.
I admit, sometimes I miss the old days of working with custom ROM's and such, but this is such a great phone to me that other than removing bloat, I don't think it needs much.
Any which way I look at it, I'm very thankful to the devs who are working on this phone...they have a patience and skill that I will never have.
I have to agree. I held off on getting mine because I was hoping it would get rooted. But after I found temp root and was able to remove the bloat, its been a fantastic phone so far.
Yeah, perm root would be nice but I can definitely live without it of I have to.
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If you're considering a new phone, have a relatively recent phone, and are willing to wait, I'd highly recommend waiting. It's possible permroot is months away. I know it took quite a long time on the Eris (several months).
Besides, if you have an Incredible, the I2 isn't that much of an upgrade for you. I went from an Eris to the I2 and it is leaps and bounds better. However, going from I1 to I2 you get a slightly bigger screen and a better graphics accelerator and that's it.
If you really must get the I2, and you must have root, proceed with the knowledge that IF it gets rooted, it may be some time away.
However, going from I1 to I2 you get a slightly bigger screen and a better graphics accelerator and that's it.
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Quite a difference from Gen 1 Snapdragon to Gen 2... Oh, and FFC is different as well. That to me is a nice feature that I really would like. And there are reports of much better battery life between Dinc 1 and Dinc 2
The difference between Gen1 Snapdragon and Gen2 Snapdragon is going from Adreno 200 to Adreno 205 GPU. The Adreno 205 is quite a bit better, but still behind the curve compared to, for example, the current Hummingbird SOC (when I played with a Charge at the VZW store, it got double the framerate on graphics related tests). The core CPU is still the same between the two devices.
Hey everyone, I'm right on the verge of upgrading my current Galaxy Note 8 (SGH P5110 - wifi variant) to this device (the T-mobile lte variant), so I've been frantically searching this forum to make sure it was a reasonable upgrade and what the deal with the Tmo variant was, so I just wanted to clarify a few things I've learned so far, and just ask for opinions from xda members who own this device.
This "opportunity" came about rather unexpectedly, but in addition to the hardware upgrade, purchasing this tablet would have several additional significant benefits, to the point where cost is barely an issue (it will end up costing me next to nothing, if I don't actually make a little money on the deal). It's for this reason that if I were to go for an upgrade right now, it would have to be this device and it would have to be from T-mobile. The whole situation is kind of complex and super ridiculous, and even my hardest attempt to explain it briefly was getting out of hand... I'll edit this post and add it on tomorrow probably and those who don't care can easily skip it (probably a recommendation that also applies to "satisfied" AT&T customers, but then again, it's one of those "Yeah, I know. They actually pull that sort of thing regularly," so perhaps a PSA )
Anyway, to be honest, this tablet wouldn't really be on the "consideration" list if I was just looking for a new tablet... I'd at least wait to find out about the Nexus 9 if that were the case. However, upgrading my phone at some point is a much higher priority vs. tablet, despite the fact that it is pretty near to the "time" for one... I've been happy with the Note 8, and fortunately there were some very talented developers who worked on it, but not unlike your tablet, it was never really promoted by T-Mobile and never had a huge user-base. So this is pretty much my opportunity for a tablet upgrade, where I not to do it, I really can't say when I'd be able to retire the Note 8 (similar to internals of S3 despite being released around the time of the S4), however, the Note 10 does seem like it would be an extremely solid upgrade from the Note 8 so I just want to ask a few questions just to make sure I wouldn't really regret it on any level.
Ok, so the tablet sold by T-Mobile has the model number P607t, but it's really just a carrier branded P605 and compatible with the same ROMS as that device? If that's not the case / just to make sure: you can relatively easily gain full root (i.e. custom ROM, kernel, recovery)? Last, are there problems / issues / differences (aside from chipset) that make it inferior to the P605 or P600?
That's really all I just want to be sure of before pulling the trigger. Basic stuff, I know, but this was totally unexpected and don't have the luxury of time to do as much research as I'd like prior to deciding, so if anyone would be kind enough to address my impressions above, I'd be beyond grateful :good: Also any thoughts on the device sold by Tmo, or the upgrade from the P5110 to what looks to be a very nice device (despite how quickly Samsung stole the "super premium" label off of it) would be most welcome as well.
Hopefully I'm not mistaken regarding the info I've gleaned, and will soon have a new toy in hand. If that works out, I'll undoubtedly be spending much more time on this corner of XDA. Thanks much in advance
Any 10 inch tablet is better than a 8 inch screen...Go with the 2014 Note.....best tab out for the money...
I just rooted my gf p607t....Towelroot
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GalaxyNotesTx said:
Any 10 inch tablet is better than a 8 inch screen...Go with the 2014 Note.....best tab out for the money...
I just rooted my gf p607t....Towelroot
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Wait, the T-Mobile version works with towelroot without tripping KNOX?
I'm watching this thread because I am 95% in the same situation.
You will love the tablet thats a gaurantee however don't expect Android L or whatever the next updates is going to be anytime soon.
But yeah no tablet like it at the minute ... I use my tablet every single day for atleast 3hours a day. I actually gave away my laptop to my brother as the tablet is faster and more convenient in every way (bar typing lol). Anyhoo hope yous make the right choice...but like I said be prepared tonwait for updates haha.
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I'm watching this thread because I am 95% in the same situation.
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Not a bad situation to be in Thanks for the confirmation / encouragement. I'd definitely agree that 10.5 inchers are preferable, particularly for a Note 3 owner, unless the 8" in question is easily root/ROMable and 10.1, despite being a very significant upgrade across the board (will go from looking at an 8" 1600X1200(!) screen to this absolute beauty) it's ridiculously locked down, bootloader etc, and basically you need to run it straight stock, unable to even remove worthless pre-installed malware.... Were that the case, despite the fact that financially, etc. it really doesn't make sense to not do it, I'd still rather stick with my customized Note 8. The unbreakable rule is: if I'm prevented from viewing every file on a device that I own (i.e. root directory obviously), well, that would never happen because no matter how tempting otherwise, I wouldn't under any circumstances get that device. I think that framing the issue of locked bootloader, etc. and forcing users to jump through hoops to attain that level of access is a good way to clarify just how flat-out silly the issue is at its core when explaining to, ya know, people (i.e. those weirdos that don't even have one Linux partiton ) why that's an issue that they 'should care' about.
So... bit of a tirade on a tangent there but that's at the front of my mind when purchasing hardware, so glad to hear that there won't be any unpleasant surprises when picking up a new device. So really appreciate the encouragement to go ahead with it as well as confirmation of my expectation that it'll be a fantastic upgrade!
Very excited to get my new tablet... maybe today! Going to start downloading files to flash in prep I've been scouring the internet for an ideal case (something slim but protective with an open from, ideally a tempered glass screen cover built in) but have noticed that options are relatively slim... Was considering just going with an Otterbox Defender, but I really don't want to add that width much with to the beautifully slim bezel. No bout I'll find something I like though. Looking forward to learning about and discussing my new hardware with you all!
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You will love the tablet thats a gaurantee however don't expect Android L or whatever the next updates is going to be anytime soon.
But yeah no tablet like it at the minute ... I use my tablet every single day for atleast 3hours a day. I actually gave away my laptop to my brother as the tablet is faster and more convenient in every way (bar typing lol). Anyhoo hope yous make the right choice...but like I said be prepared tonwait for updates haha.
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Right on! I can deal with the update situation, as long as at least a couple solid, actively developed custom ROMS to improve the (shudder) stock experience. I stick with TW base on Note's typically, so my next stop is the devdb to give it a more thorough review. That is definitely a good point re: official updates (i.e. lack thereof) but the device I'm coming from is a Note 8... my "official update" expectations really couldn't be lower :victory:
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Right on! I can deal with the update situation, as long as at least a couple solid, actively developed custom ROMS to improve the (shudder) stock experience. I stick with TW base on Note's typically, so my next stop is the devdb to give it a more thorough review. That is definitely a good point re: official updates (i.e. lack thereof) but the device I'm coming from is a Note 8... my "official update" expectations really couldn't be lower :victory:
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Ah yeah you have Note 8 lol so really you have been set to the perfect standard to buy the Note 10.1 in terms of updates haha.
I couldn't find much info whether there is no KNOX tripping root for the P607. That's the only thing holding me back.
I had the Wi-Fi version and I really, really like it. Unfortunately, I had returned it because there was no root that won't trip Knox and I need root to disable the bloatware that is killing the battery and slowing down the tablet. There are a few thread I posted where I show screenshot of the battery life when the tablet is idle.
But you may not care about root, so go forth and get this tablet![emoji12]
I see post about laggy and blah blah I mean this phone isn't perfect but with some adjustments it's a bad ass phone I love it I mean I would love root but it's not a reason to return the phone or anything.. Just saying this phone is really good imho
I agree. It's just that the shortcomings are detrimental for the user experience depending on the issue.
I can see battery life being one if you're a busy person.
Touch screen will drive anyone absolutely bananas
All depends on the batch I guess
Im loving the phone, prob best I've had. Not having root is a small problem but I'll live with that. I've not had touch screen issues or over heating problems.
Its not you, people who are happy dont *****. You only hear the complainers, and there are always going to be people who expect manufactured products to be flawless with no exception or fail rate. Just not realistic. The phone is really nice, has great picture and a great camera.. I have owned several different brands and recently an S6. THere is nothing wrong with this phone. I do feel that at this current rate we may never see root, but i also find this being the first phone that would not be and end all problem for me. If you are happy with the phone, what else matters?
I love it. I do wish tap to wake and the knock code worked better, but they'll be fixed someday. They do seem to work better after rebooting, so I reboot occasionally throughout the day when I'm putting my phone away.
Once we get root and custom roms this phone will be awesome.
Be sure to block the OTA updates so the carriers can't prevent you from getting root!
The G4 is a very well balanced product. Like anything though it has its flaws and it won't please everyone, namely as we all have different likes but most important expectations.
I never expect for my phone's purchased to act like a time travelling device (although beam me up scotty that would be cool ?).
What i do expect is functionality and the G4 meets that for me. Just one thing that Google needs desperately is better optimisation between software & hardware.
Android M who knows may be the answer to our prayers.
But overall hell yeah the G4 is good ?
I think the phone is perfect in most all ways. Software can be buggy and lag at times but that will all get cleared up soon enough!
I upgraded from a Galaxy S5 and even though it isn't a huge leap in terms of performance and battery life (battery life quite the opposite, unfortunately) I enjoy my phone very much.
And as I have an international H815 I rooted it the first day I could unlock the BL. 10A was silky smooth and my only "regret" is that I actually flashed 10C. It's a bit less smooth, a bit laggier now and then. Could be an app too, though. So. all things considered I'm very happy. I don't understand why the leather back doesn't have Qi but that's a different beef ..
Great phone, great UI (though I hate having to use an app like ROM Toolbox to change font and the korean crap themes from LG are absolutely horrible).
Regarding all the threads about problems and issues .. Well, that's what XDA is mostly about. You don't need to discuss how great a phone works, you need to discuss and solve problems..
And since no one's, as far as I can understand it, developing custom roms/CM-builds for it yet all you could discuss are problems.
Does it seem like G4s have lots of issues? Not really. Considering the volumes of manufactured phones you will always have broken phones that slipped through quality control. Firmwares are tested but it's impossible to soak test/lab test a phone's software with every app in the App Store..
Not to mention issues with carriers like the retarded US carriers that disable features and sideload their own generic crapware apps and push updates like there's no tomorrow...
All the forums of all the phones I've had since I started reading XDA have looked exactly the same: Early adopters with, sometimes, premature software/firmware ***** and moan, after a while custom roms/root happen and people cheer like madmen, then ***** and moan about premature custom roms.
And the circlejerk is complete.
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I love it. I do wish tap to wake and the knock code worked better, but they'll be fixed someday.
Once we get root and custom roms this phone will be awesome.
Be sure to block the OTA updates so the carriers can't prevent you from getting root!
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Do you know how to find out if you have a 1 or 0 bootloader
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Do you know how to find out if you have a 1 or 0 bootloader
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Autoprime discusses it here and seems to be updating the post as new information comes out.
I have the H815 rooted with TWRP and I couldn't be happier with this phone. I don't have touch screen issues, or lag issues, or camera issues, etc. Coupled with the battery and sdcard promos, it was a win/win/win for me when I bought this phone.
i love the responses why do you say we may never see root i love this device lol i need adaway!
OP: is this your first smartphone? Did you have a flip phone before?
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I love my phone and have had absolutely zero issues with it
People who enjoy the phone tend to stay quiet. People who have problems post comments wondering others are experiencing the same. Its pretty much for all phones and gadgets.
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I have actually been LOVING my G4. My old daily driver was the Galaxy Note Edge but then I stumbled on this fella (my first in the G-Series and second LG device) and kind of fell in love with it right off the bat.
So I ended up picking up one for a new daily driver. Right after that though I found out about the no-root issue so then I went out and picked up a couple more of them (I figure I might as well do my part as far as root goes and that will probably end with me bricking one or two of them, so better safe than sorry).
TL;DR -- Yes, I love the hell out of this phone.
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I see post about laggy and blah blah I mean this phone isn't perfect but with some adjustments it's a bad ass phone I love it I mean I would love root but it's not a reason to return the phone or anything.. Just saying this phone is really good imho
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I love it
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I gave up my S6 Edge for this phone. Best move I have ever made on a cell phone. Absolutely love it. I had one in a good batch though. Sort of sucks that you have to get lucky to like a phone.
Same with me
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I have actually been LOVING my G4. My old daily driver was the Galaxy Note Edge but then I stumbled on this fella (my first in the G-Series and second LG device) and kind of fell in love with it right off the bat.
So I ended up picking up one for a new daily driver. Right after that though I found out about the no-root issue so then I went out and picked up a couple more of them (I figure I might as well do my part as far as root goes and that will probably end with me bricking one or two of them, so better safe than sorry).
TL;DR -- Yes, I love the hell out of this phone.
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What I came from a note edge as well at first I was worried I made a mistake but his phone is better I just missing having the edge but not a reason to go back
I love my G4! The only annoyance is the slow charging when the screen is on..
Is the pixel better in terms of not fighting the manufacturer to root the phone and rom it? Does it allow the built in call recording (like editing the xml file on a rooted galaxy?)
It's a Google phone, there is no fight rooting or roming or moding it. It's wide open. Hit the unlock slider, fastboot flash unlock. Done.
Verizon version is a bit different. So far no problem as long as you unlock it before it updates. That may change, but so far so good.
That's what I was hoping to hear.
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Is the pixel better in terms of not fighting the manufacturer to root the phone and rom it? Does it allow the built in call recording (like editing the xml file on a rooted galaxy?)
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It is the carrier that locks phones. Like Verizon. Both Samsung and Google leave their phones open by default.
Of course, you may lose some functionality on rooting. Like security features and pay systems.
Yea I don't care about pay systems, or the built in security. None of the card readers at the stores around here even do NFC devices. I always have my cards on me too. My biggest concern is being able to record phone calls automatically. I seriously hate how Verizon locks them down. Right now I have an S6 G920V on version QA3 I'm trying to figure out how to root and have no idea how to at this moment.
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Yea I don't care about pay systems, or the built in security. None of the card readers at the stores around here even do NFC devices. I always have my cards on me too. My biggest concern is being able to record phone calls automatically. I seriously hate how Verizon locks them down. Right now I have an S6 G920V on version QA3 I'm trying to figure out how to root and have no idea how to at this moment.
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Samsung Pay works with old magnetic card readers where you swipe your card, because they bought the company which developed a special magnetic sensing/beaming chip called MST.
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/answer/ANS00043865/
So it basically works everywhere except where you need to insert the card inside the machine like gas stations or ATMs. And it gives you points to redeem goodies from Samsung, like gift cards or their hardware.
I was really enjoying Samsung Pay when I had S6 Edge and Note 7. I didn't have to carry a wallet - just a case with a driver's license and a hundred dollar bill. I really miss it.
Now, Verizon is awful in Midwest, where I live. It's the most overpriced carrier with zero benefits to back up their high prices. I switched from Note 7 on US Cellular prepaid, where I was paying $37 per month, to Pixel XL on Project FI, where I'm now paying $25 per month. Aside from a few simple quirks, I think FI is perfect for a low data user such as myself. Stay away from Verizon.
As far as rooting Verizon devices... I think you may be SOL. It varies depending on the device/software version, but usually they are locked pretty tight.
The Pixel is a much better choice simply based on the development efforts and the quicker updates from Google, which helps developers get their custom firmwares out much faster with the newest features.
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The Pixel is a much better choice simply based on the development efforts and the quicker updates from Google, which helps developers get their custom firmwares out much faster with the newest features.
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7.1.1 Broke Bluetooth functionality. It seems like every single update in the beginning of an update cycle only introduces more bugs. It is a common theme and trend in modern technology. Another trend in technology, most bugs get fixed after about a year. But this phone become obsolete after 6 months.
We, the consumers, cannot win - technology companies release buggy products because they can, and they love quick and flashy profits, Quality Assurance seems to be taking a back seat to corporate profits. Because we, the consumers, seem to buy anything to please us in these times.
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7.1.1 Broke Bluetooth functionality. It seems like every single update in the beginning of an update cycle only introduces more bugs. It is a common theme and trend in modern technology. Another trend in technology, most bugs get fixed after about a year. But this phone become obsolete after 6 months.
We, the consumers, cannot win - technology companies release buggy products because they can, and they love quick and flashy profits, Quality Assurance seems to be taking a back seat to corporate profits. Because we, the consumers, seem to buy anything to please us in these times.
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Bluetooth is working fine on my phone. In fact, I'm not experiencing any problems on my phone. I am on the latest build of DU 11.1 based on NOF26V.
And I'm not sure how you are coming to the conclusion that this model will be obsolete in 6 months. It has OS updates guaranteed all the way through Android P...
Regardless of all that, I still think it is vastly better to develop for a phone that is getting constant updates from the manufacturer (Google) rather than one that is typically behind (Samsung).
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Is the pixel better in terms of not fighting the manufacturer to root the phone and rom it? Does it allow the built in call recording (like editing the xml file on a rooted galaxy?)
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Infinitely better. I loved my S7 while I had it, but the root method was so terrible and caused lag, heat, and poor battery life regardless of any "fix" for it. It's a shame because I loved the phone and would NOT have switched if it weren't for those issues listed. Needless to say, I NEED root on my phone and I wasn't willing to give up any of those things to get it. The root method for this phone is far better and gives me the freedom I want with MY phone. The constant on time updates, and general smoothness of the phone help as well
With that being said, I would not be against giving Samsung another try. I love their phones, but I don't care for their locked bootloaders. If the S8 comes with a developer edition or root is easily achieved I'd have no issues going back. I'd also have no issue staying with future Pixel phones. :good:
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Infinitely better. I loved my S7 while I had it, but the root method was so terrible and caused lag, heat, and poor battery life regardless of any "fix" for it. It's a shame because I loved the phone and would NOT have switched if it weren't for those issues listed. Needless to say, I NEED root on my phone and I wasn't willing to give up any of those things to get it. The root method for this phone is far better and gives me the freedom I want with MY phone. The constant on time updates, and general smoothness of the phone help as well
With that being said, I would not be against giving Samsung another try. I love their phones, but I don't care for their locked bootloaders. If the S8 comes with a developer edition or root is easily achieved I'd have no issues going back. I'd also have no issue staying with future Pixel phones. :good:
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This post makes no sense. How can "root method" cause the following quote - "root method was so terrible and caused lag, heat, and poor battery life regardless of any "fix" for it."
Is the user literally regarded as genius?
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This post makes no sense. How can "root method" cause the following quote - "root method was so terrible and caused lag, heat, and poor battery life regardless of any "fix" for it."
Is the user literally regarded as genius?
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Uh, are you serious? Go look at the s7 forums and then talk, until then let the men talk.
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Uh, are you serious? Go look at the s7 forums and then talk, until then let the men talk.
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Are you literally blessed?
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Are you literally blessed?
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Are you literally a troll?
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Are you literally a troll?
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I really give up now. People can be what they choose to be!
Freedom!
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JAYNO20 said:
Infinitely better. I loved my S7 while I had it, but the root method was so terrible and caused lag, heat, and poor battery life regardless of any "fix" for it. It's a shame because I loved the phone and would NOT have switched if it weren't for those issues listed. Needless to say, I NEED root on my phone and I wasn't willing to give up any of those things to get it. The root method for this phone is far better and gives me the freedom I want with MY phone. The constant on time updates, and general smoothness of the phone help as well
With that being said, I would not be against giving Samsung another try. I love their phones, but I don't care for their locked bootloaders. If the S8 comes with a developer edition or root is easily achieved I'd have no issues going back. I'd also have no issue staying with future Pixel phones. :good:
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This post makes no sense. How can "root method" cause the following quote - "root method was so terrible and caused lag, heat, and poor battery life regardless of any "fix" for it."
Is the user literally regarded as genius?
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Just so you guys understand why the root method for the S7 caused those issues...
In order to root the S7, you needed to flash a developer kernel. This is allowed even with the locked bootloader of the S7 since it is signed and accepted by the bootloader.
As we all know, a kernel can cause a lot of issues with the phone, and that is exactly what happened with the S7. That kernel was not tweaked properly and especially not for real-world usage. But it did allow us to root the phone, so it was a sacrifice (in my opinion).
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Just so you guys understand why the root method for the S7 caused those issues...
In order to root the S7, you needed to flash a developer kernel. This is allowed even with the locked bootloader of the S7 since it is signed and accepted by the bootloader.
As we all know, a kernel can cause a lot of issues with the phone, and that is exactly what happened with the S7. That kernel was not tweaked properly and especially not for real-world usage. But it did allow us to root the phone, so it was a sacrifice (in my opinion).
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I understood that just fine. It was all the issues caused by root that made me jump ship to the Pixel. As for the other guy (who obviously didn't understand the problems that root caused) I can't say for sure what his issue was. Just trying to help the OP with his decision through my experience with both devices.
I agree with what most people here are saying, I used to have a Galaxy S7 Edge, I loved everything about it, except for the locked bootloader. As previously mentioned it could be rooted, but there just weren't many roms out there and there was also a slight lag and poor battery life that occured after flashing the engineer boot. I just missed being able to customize it as much as I could all my old HTC devices. I switched the the Pixel XL 3 weeks ago rooted it day 1 and haven't missed the S7 Edge once
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I agree with what most people here are saying, I used to have a Galaxy S7 Edge, I loved everything about it, except for the locked bootloader. As previously mentioned it could be rooted, but there just weren't many roms out there and there was also a slight lag and poor battery life that occured after flashing the engineer boot. I just missed being able to customize it as much as I could all my old HTC devices. I switched the the Pixel XL 3 weeks ago rooted it day 1 and haven't missed the S7 Edge once
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I came from an S7 Edge as well. It was an excellent phone if you didn't require root access. But I like to customize. I had it for 7 months the went to the Pixel XL.