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Many people believe that SAMOLED screens on Samsung devices are far superior in every way to other devices. Recently with the addition of all these new and similarly spec'd WP7 phones, it seems like a big deciding factor is the screen display.
I have used a focus and a htc surround for a week in addition to my iphone 4. Watching avatar on both devices, I realize that both screens have their setbacks, thats right even the AMOLED!
The general consensus with htc devices is that the viewing angles are terrible. Check out any video review of a HD7 or Surround and you can see that the screens are extremely washed out when viewed at an angle, and unfortunately, many of these reviewers shoot their videos not head on for obvious viewing reasons.
But when viewed normally, the wp7 htc devices are definitely not as awful as at an angle. Still, it is nowhere near SAMOLED crispness or vibrancy. One thing I did notice, however, is that when watching the same video or viewing the same webpages on my iphone 4, I can rightfully say that the lcd screens from htc are just as good as the overly praised retina display. The differences of colors and sharpness between the two are too subtle to tell.
The SAMOLED screens "pop" in color and vibrancy. Whites are glowing white and blacks are dead on black. No one can say that the Samsung did a bad job on their new screens. However, one thing that people tend to misjudge is the color production on their devices like the focus or omnia 7. It seems that while the surround may not produce white and dark as vibrantly, the ACTUAL colors (red, blue, green) are pretty close to what they should appear. What I am saying is the SAMOLED screens are TOO SATURATED. Again this could all be subjective, but I find that the SAMOLED screen just goes for as vibrant and colorful as they can get, disregarding true color tones. For instance, skin in pictures looks intensely orange and I have never seen skies so blue in real life. Webpage colors can be a bit to contrasting as well. And my opinion is from comparing the SAMOLED to my macbook pro LED screen.
I watched avatar on my blu ray and compared it to the surround and the focus. unfornately to say, the focus just makes the navis look almost syrup-y bubblegum blue. The high contrast of samsung screens are good in some ways but in others, it just seems overdone.
HTC may have made their screens to warm in color, thus appearing a bit washed out when comparing to other wp7 devices. But the AMOLED screen seems too saturated in color production, not just compared to my surround, but also my macbook's screen as well as my LED tv.
So in the end which would you pick? What are your guy's thoughts?
I've never done that kind of testing but my captivate has an awesome screen and I would put it against any other screen. The ritna screen isn't as impressive as apple makes it out to be. At least for me. But I will say these are the best out of all of them. My friend just picked up the x10 and boy does the screen look like $h!#, next to mine.
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I 100% agree with you, infact I have had alot of iphone 4 users comment on how good the screen is on the HD7 which shows what a difference using the phone in a normal way makes when compare to viewing at some obsure angle.
I also have always though the colours look wrong on OLED screens, but having said that, I have always though that about samsungs HDTVs, they seem to over exagerate all the colours and sharpness to make you initially go "WOW", then when you think about it, they just look wrong.
Personally, im happy with my HD7 LCD, and would take SLCD over OLED at the moment.
The over-the-top vibrance is a reason why I went SLCD.
That and the Pentile pattern. My eyes are still well enough to notice fringing on rendered text as well as the pattern generally on evenly lit surfaces.
I had a Nexus One, the OMG-in-your-face colors get old quickly.
thanks for input, the captivate looks amazing running android and playing videos I agree.
But do you think there is a line between displaying vibrancy vs true colors?
Sometimes when I view images in the focus, it feels like I opened a photo in Lightroom or Photoshop and just cranked up the vibrancy settings to the max, resulting in some drastic color contrasts.
But then again, the LCD screens of HTC do seem last generation. If only they could meet in the middle.
@ Tom Servo, I actually think the Nexus One did a good job on their screens. They use regualr AMOLED screens just like the Zune HD from microsoft.
Color production was beautiful. Only complaint with those screens are that they practically turn invisible in sunlight haha.
For me, WindowsPhone7 is all about white letters on black background and some coloured squares in between.
I do not watch videos on the phone and I don't have much photos to display.
So I chose the Omnia7 with that gorgeous SAMOLED screen because it's superior for my use.
SAMLOED ftw. IPSLCD (retina display) is old, Apple just upped the pixel count. Put that many pixels in a SLCD and would look gorgeous.
Take a peek at this article, it has all you need to know:
displaymate.com/Galaxy_S_ShootOut.htm
Scroll down to section 8: Gamut.
You'll see that the SAMOLED is way over-saturated and that the
iPhone4 is very washed-out.
I own a Focus and a Droid, as well as an e-IPS and s-IPS panels, and I can
tell you that the article is spot on. Colors on the Focus are like crayola simple.
If you want accurate colors, then go somewhere else, but if you want the
"wow factor" then go SAMOLED hands down.
Hope that helps.
mrroey said:
@ Tom Servo, I actually think the Nexus One did a good job on their screens. They use regualr AMOLED screens just like the Zune HD from microsoft.
Color production was beautiful. Only complaint with those screens are that they practically turn invisible in sunlight haha.
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I went from Nexus to Trophy. Looking at the same pictures, I actually preferred SLCD. That and as I said, some people notice the Pentile pattern. Which also makes text fuzzier. With Metro being pretty sparse in busy textures and mostly text based, I think it makes more sense to use the display technology that has full resolution on all color channels. AMOLED has currently half the horizontal resolution on the red and blue channels.
In relation to Samsung devices, it's possible they're running their Digital Natural Imagine Engine in background. I haven't had a direct Samsung device with AMOLED, so I can't say.
Oranjoose said:
Take a peek at this article, it has all you need to know:
displaymate.com/Galaxy_S_ShootOut.htm
Scroll down to section 8: Gamut.
You'll see that the SAMOLED is way over-saturated and that the
iPhone4 is very washed-out.
I own a Focus and a Droid, as well as an e-IPS and s-IPS panels, and I can
tell you that the article is spot on. Colors on the Focus are like crayola simple.
If you want accurate colors, then go somewhere else, but if you want the
"wow factor" then go SAMOLED hands down.
Hope that helps.
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That was a GREAT article and very informative, though it can get a bit technical at times. To quote some interesting conclusions from the articles...(NOTE THAT THIS ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN PRIOR TO WP7 PHONE RELEASE)
"We compared the Galaxy S side-by-side to a calibrated Professional Sony High Definition Studio Monitor using a large set of DisplayMate Calibration and Test Photographs. All of the photos on the Galaxy S had too much color saturation, to the point of appearing gaudy, particularly faces and well known objects such as fruits, vegetables, flowers, grass, even a Coca-Cola can. Photos that include very color saturated objects, such as a fire engine, were in some cases painful to look at. These effects are similar to setting an HDTV to a Vivid picture mode and then turning up the Color and Sharpness Controls. The punchy and excessively vibrant looking images on the Galaxy S may initially get lots of oohs and aahs, like in many of the early reviews, but after a while the gaudy looking images will become tiresome and unpleasant."
"There is no decisive winner as each of the three “Super” displays significantly outperforms the others in more than one important area and significantly underperforms in other areas. The iPhone 4 by far has the brightest and sharpest display and is the most power efficient of the displays. The Motorola Droid by far has the best picture quality and accuracy. The Samsung Galaxy S by far has the lowest screen reflectance and largest Contrast for both bright and dark ambient lighting, and the best viewing angles. On the flip side, the iPhone 4 has a weak color gamut and viewing angles, the Motorola Droid has weak screen reflectance and viewing angles, and the Samsung Galaxy S has lower brightness, excessive color saturation, higher power consumption and some sharpness issues. "
so there you have it. according to Displaymate,
iphone 4 = best mobile display
motorola droid (surprisingly) = best mobile picture quality
Samsung vibrant = best mobile display technology
Samsung is notorious for producing display panels with oversaturated color pallet.
It is true for their Plasma, LCD, LED's on the consumer grade television sets and now SAMOLED displays on the mobile devices.
the oversaturation of the AMOLED's have been well documented prior to now. it doens't seem to be a problem for many as everyone has different interpretation of colors in their own eyes anyway.
I just think when u put these phone side by side...and contrast and vibrance of the samsung phones is just ridiculous...true color representation kinda falls to the side
The Retna screen is very impressive because the pixel density is much higher than on other screens. That makes reading on the screen MUCH easier on the eyes than on other screens. You may not consciously know it, but eye fatigue does happen and it's a huge consideration when buying a device you will spend so much time looking at. It also means the text will look much better when/if you zoom in on it.
It's like comparing a crappy CRT monitor to a high class LCD.
The color reproduction on sAMOLED is nice.
However, there's more to a phone than the screen.
HD7 has more RAM than other WP7 devices. It has a bigger screen than other WP7 devices. It has more storage than many other WP7 devices.
The only major downside to that phone, IMO, is small battery and the fact that the screen is flush with the front of the phone. Unlike something like a Vibrant, if you drop an HD2 or HD7 on its face it can destroy your screen.
Of course, that can be somewhat fixed with a case... Some people don't like cases, though...
I like the SAMOLED screens, but when I looked at the HD7 it was better than I thought it would be. That being said I do still want the SAMOLED. The other factors leaning me toward the focus (or samsung in general) are the fact that the screen has gorilla glass, making it much less likely to be scratched and when I was playing with the Focus and the Quantum/Surround/HD7 the screen on the Focus also seemed much more sensitive and responsive compared to the others.
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...the screen on the Focus also seemed much more sensitive and responsive compared to the others.
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This might have to do with the fact Samsung places the SAMOLED display directly beneath the capacitive screen. Other phones have a much larger space between the two.
The result is Samsung phones are often thinner, and they appear to be more accurate and responsive.
i put my omnia 7 up against a hd7 in the flesh ( metal/plastic) and there is no comparison. Theres just no going back to LCD now. and as for viewing angles, seriously?, viewing angles on a mobile phone? are you kidding me? no one holds their phone at an angle! its not like we are going to mount our phones onto walls and have 10 people gathered around to watch it.
Since having my desire with amoled display for about half a year I won't go back to lcd/slcd because I think the colors are far more superior at least to me.
I went for the Omnia 7 as business device and I couldn't be happier. Build quality is surprisingly very good, perfect screen size for my needs and all in all I'm glad that I didn't choose the HD7 imho.
Regards
It may not be the sharpest of display and not produce the most accurate colour and I wasn't particularly impressed with Galaxy S S-AMOLED screen on android!
However IMHO S-AMOLED looks stunning on WP7 OS, it really compliments the Metro-UI and when put side by side with S-LCD running the same OS it's just not the same! It's for this very reason that I went for Omnia 7 over HD7.
lqaddict said:
Samsung is notorious for producing display panels with oversaturated color pallet.
It is true for their Plasma, LCD, LED's on the consumer grade television sets and now SAMOLED displays on the mobile devices.
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Samsung plasma and in general any plasma is not as oversaturated as other technologies. LCD and LED displays from all manufacturers are setup to be in the "torch" mode (sometimes called dynamic by the manufacturers) to stand out on the floor. And to compensate for the grayish black level they oversaturate the color.
After you calibrate though, they all look the same, almost. LEDs will have a bit of blooming, LCDs will not be as black as plasmas and plasmas will lack the brightness in case you want to watch in a sunlit room.
The iPhone 4's screen looks pretty good, but 3.5 inches? Ugh.
Company EasyAcc is mostly known for power banks but they have recently introduced gaming mouse
called Grampus. Most important features are low price which is actually around $20 and 3600 DPI max speed.
Technical Specs
DPI levels: 800/1600/2400/3600
Type of connection: USB cable
number of buttons: 7
8Gbps high speed transmission
LED light with 4 different colors: purple , green , blue , and red
button life: up to 8 million clicks
Unboxing
Box contains gaming mouse, CD, stickers and user manual.
Design and build
I think that gamers will like this type of design because in my personal opinion it looks really cool.
EasyAcc Grampus have four available LED lights which are purple , green , blue , and red. But unfortunately
you cannot set the color with desired DPI. Because every color is already set for every DPI. So purple is for 800 DPI,
1600 DPI - green, 2400 DPI - blue and 3600 - red. Talking about build quality the mouse is made from high quality plastic and you have a good feeling during use.
Peformance and Feautures
This gaming mouse supports 8Gbps high speed transmission and it has 4 levels for DPI, which are: 800/1600/2400/3600.
Personally I have tried all DPI speeds and on all levels the mouse is working precise. But in my personal opinion at
3600 DPI it is too much fast. You also get a CD with software where you can create profiles for any purpose.
Conclusion
I think for this price which is actually around $20, EasyAcc Grampus gaming mouse is really good choice because
it offers good build quality and really cool design. But it has also good features like 3600 DPI, 7 keys and 8Gbps high speed transmission.
If you will be interested you can see more info here at their site.
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The Sony Xperia XZ Premium has a crazy crisp display. Just kidding, this is automated text so who knows if this screen is any good. So, you be the judge! A higher rating indicates that it's extremely sharp and clear, and that you cannot see pixels with your naked eye.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
I do see pixels
We all do cuz of the pixel pattern...
Screen isnt as crisp as i expected in a 4k display, id say its as good as standard 1080 screen... Not even a good 1080 xD
When virtually emulated to 4k its better, its still on a 1080p level though thats how my eye sees it at least
Im only talking in terms of sharpness, i expected more details on a 4k display.
In terms of colors, brightness, id give it a superb level as it is very natural and realistic! Not like fake amoled crap, but super natural and its like looking out a window, yet i expected a sharper display concidering the 4k display
The screen is really crisp, at least through vr. When I use VR, I can see the pixels but they don't look huge like on 2k phones.
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I do see pixels
We all do cuz of the pixel pattern...
Screen isnt as crisp as i expected in a 4k display, id say its as good as standard 1080 screen... Not even a good 1080 xD
When virtually emulated to 4k its better, its still on a 1080p level though thats how my eye sees it at least
Im only talking in terms of sharpness, i expected more details on a 4k display.
In terms of colors, brightness, id give it a superb level as it is very natural and realistic! Not like fake amoled crap, but super natural and its like looking out a window, yet i expected a sharper display concidering the 4k display
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Have you ever try to change it's default resolution to 4k with 720-821 ppi density via adb command?
If you looking for "crisp", already try it and still say "isn't crisp as I expected", then i can't say anything anymore.
For my eyes, when try to change it's default res to 4k, in terms of crisp and sharp it's the top of the top of crazy display i've ever see. I've never see for real 8k display monitor yet, but I can say panel on this phone is really insane. You can directly compared with any phones in the world right now with that configuration (4k default res), and it's a champ! Yes, there 'unpleasant' bug layout for some apps because they aren't reach yet to develop on 4k native resolution. And the most important, the black recent apps fault lol. So I am not use that config for daily usage.
But if you just curious to see how the real performance of this phone screen, then that config is worth to try.
I've not said about 4k HDR content, there some example files you can download to see 'beyond the limit performance' of this phone. It's super crazy sharp and crisp with insane range of colour!
Instead, in terms of detail, i can't barely say it will fulfil your expectation, because for me it's hard to expect level of detail on small size display.
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Have you ever try to change it's default resolution to 4k with 720-821 ppi density via adb command?
If you looking for "crisp", already try it and still say "isn't crisp as I expected", then i can't say anything anymore.
For my eyes, when try to change it's default res to 4k, in terms of crisp and sharp it's the top of the top of crazy display i've ever see. I've never see for real 8k display monitor yet, but I can say panel on this phone is really insane. You can directly compared with any phones in the world right now with that configuration (4k default res), and it's a champ! Yes, there 'unpleasant' bug layout for some apps because they aren't reach yet to develop on 4k native resolution. And the most important, the black recent apps fault lol. So I am not use that config for daily usage.
But if you just curious to see how the real performance of this phone screen, then that config is worth to try.
I've not said about 4k HDR content, there some example files you can download to see 'beyond the limit performance' of this phone. It's super crazy sharp and crisp with insane range of colour!
Instead, in terms of detail, i can't barely say it will fulfil your expectation, because for me it's hard to expect level of detail on small size display.
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OMG finally someone on the internet sharing a same frustration as me. I wonder if there's any workaround for the black recent apps view glitch when running higher than physical resolution? It almost feels like a internal scaling issue where if I put the phone into landscape I can see partial app snapshot being visible in recent view. This is so far the only issue holding me off from using QHD or even UHD on a daily basis.
knightazura said:
Have you ever try to change it's default resolution to 4k with 720-821 ppi density via adb command?
If you looking for "crisp", already try it and still say "isn't crisp as I expected", then i can't say anything anymore.
For my eyes, when try to change it's default res to 4k, in terms of crisp and sharp it's the top of the top of crazy display i've ever see. I've never see for real 8k display monitor yet, but I can say panel on this phone is really insane. You can directly compared with any phones in the world right now with that configuration (4k default res), and it's a champ! Yes, there 'unpleasant' bug layout for some apps because they aren't reach yet to develop on 4k native resolution. And the most important, the black recent apps fault lol. So I am not use that config for daily usage.
But if you just curious to see how the real performance of this phone screen, then that config is worth to try.
I've not said about 4k HDR content, there some example files you can download to see 'beyond the limit performance' of this phone. It's super crazy sharp and crisp with insane range of colour!
Instead, in terms of detail, i can't barely say it will fulfil your expectation, because for me it's hard to expect level of detail on small size display.
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yes I can see now on 4k mod its insane but I can still see pixels, the phone sharpness look insane! but seeing pixels is kind of a draw back i mean the phone's crispness is on another level with 4k mod but why see pixels?
madshark2009 said:
yes I can see now on 4k mod its insane but I can still see pixels, the phone sharpness look insane! but seeing pixels is kind of a draw back i mean the phone's crispness is on another level with 4k mod but why see pixels?
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Hangon, keep in mind there are high density dots on the screen, these are not pixels. I'm sure these dots are from the manufacturing process of the phone.
I bet you actually can't see the pixels but are mistaking them for these dots scattered on the screen. The display, which is 3840×2160, is bellow the screen which has dots at a dpi (dots per inch) of around 200.
After a while these dots disappear
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Hangon, keep in mind there are high density dots on the screen, these are not pixels. I'm sure these dots are from the manufacturing process of the phone.
I bet you actually can't see the pixels but are mistaking them for these dots scattered on the screen. The display, which is 3840×2160, is bellow the screen which has dots at a dpi (dots per inch) of around 200.
After a while these dots disappear
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why would there be scattered dots on the screen in the manufacturing process?
and how do you know this?
Looks & aesthetic:
Happy news for people who love big screens and new experiences \ who are using tablets and mobile for different purposes. So here is the Foldable device which is adaptable with enhanced features.
The device is tall and narrow when using as a 6.2” cover display for calling or texting
when using the square-shaped 7.6" Infinity flex screen it gives you a tab-like experience
The outer layer is made of armor aluminum which is decent and I love the narrow look when I fold it and hold it.
Hinge movements are perfect even at partial folds its fits exactly in the same position as we fold
The fingerprint position has perfectly placed no need for any stressed movements. The fingerprint sensor responds well, no hassle there.
Display:
Dynamic AMOLED 7.6" Infinity flex screen with 6.2-inch cover display both are AMOLED panel with an HD+ resolution (2,268x832) and Corning Gorilla Glass Victus given to display for additional scratch protection/display guard
Samsung features its display is 30% harder but it’s weird that it can be damaged or scratched with nails or keys, So to keep the device from scratches, you could also buy an S pen if you wanna be super cautious or you can use screen protectors which could do the job. I personally use screen protectors from Gadgetshieldz which fits well without any chipping or bubbles popping.
The refreshing rate is 120HZ which enhances the overall responsiveness, especially while gaming.
Gaming & RAM:
Z fold 3 comes with 12GB ram + 256GB and for better speed and smooth graphic experience SD888 is provided which is the latest for Androids but at present Snapdragon888 is mostly available in all devices, Samsung could have done something better and innovative
Camera:
I personally love this new feature of the selfie camera which is behind the 6.2-inch cover display and the four-megapixel sensor is hidden by a pixelated ray or grid pattern which is unnoticeable while playing videos but can be seen under white displays. That’s new and innovative (Samsung has tried to hide the selfie camera with a pixelated ray which is not perfect and the technology has to advance but it still does a decent Job)
Image clarity and details are just Ok and not to be expected more than a decent image. The camera is good but not crisp as s20 or other note series which they refer to as premium mobiles that Samsung delivers. (The camera is good but not crisp as the other premium mobiles from Samsung)
I would rather say that mid-range M series phones from Samsungs have better image quality than Samsung Z fold3.
Samsung should have done it (camera) better when it comes to its flagship model.
Battery:
Battery drains most of the time, yes it depends on your usage but the battery capacity of 4400mAH is not sufficient for the features it offers.
If you use the 7.6” Main display with a 120Hz refresh rate. it’s hard for a device to stay alive all day.
You definitely need a power bank if you are a heavy user or if you travel a lot.
But it’s reasonable: Regarding the battery capacity, it will be challenging for Samsung to provide a higher battery capacity without increasing the thickness or weight of the mobile.
Resistance:
They are provided with IpX8 water resistance which is quite unexpected for a foldable device but I am still skeptical about taking it into the pool or in heavy rain and keep that in mind it's not dust resistant.
OS:
Overall user experience is great. Browsing & Note-taking experience with Dual apps on the same screen is Top-notch. Also, we can use two apps stacked on top of each other at the same time and it has improved the taskbar manager when comparing note series.
In Lab mode: we can resize & customize the majority of things as we wish and in Flex mode: Apps can be adjustable with respect to the display we use. But some applications are Unoptimized for auto resolution.
Instant Mirroring from infinite display to cover display is pretty exciting and smooth.
Some of these new features keep us excited as a Zfold 3 user. Overall User interface and experience give us a freshness from any other device in the market.
S pen:
It comes in two variants one is for $49.99 of basic S pen and $ 99.99 for s pen pro which has a Bluetooth and inbuilt battery with USB port for charging purposes.
You have to get an additional Samsung case to carry your s pen with your mobile but the s pen pro comes with an additional sleek which does not fit in the case so it’s annoyable and the price is too high. (ZFold3 doesn't have a holding option so you have to buy a case that fits perfectly and most cases don't fit and it's quite annoying)
I use a basic S pen which is more than enough and I use it mostly during meetings and note-taking.
Wrapping Up:
So the overall functionality and experience are truly noticeable and appreciable. Samsung did a great job and I’m happy like those who looking forward for pushing new innovative foldable devices.
Highly recommended for people
Who do multi tasking
Who choose work-life balance
Who loves to have a new experience over tech
Hi,
First of all I am coming from the OP 8 Pro which has a beautiful screen and whites are whites let me get that out of the way first of all.
The customisation Google allows users to do to OUR screens is ridiculous imo.
No RGB, No wide colour gamut and no white balance adjustment.
Is there anyway to get rid of the awful yellow/green on blacks on these screens without root?
Also is there any way to remove material you or at least allow Black/White in the accent colours? I mean come on Google WTAF were they thinking, I don't want any accent on my screen to be crappy coloured it looks washed out with any of the 4 colours.
Also the Normal/Boosted and Adaptive are all weak imo still nowhere near as nice looking as my OP 8 Pro in Wide colour gamut mode.
I have 1 week before I decide what I am doing with this but right now I look at my OP 8 Pro screen and then my Pixel 6 Pro screen and it looks like total puke.
Sorry have to be honest to die hard Google fans, Since Google started to calibrate warm screens since the Pixel 4 XL which I duly sent back also I haven't had a Pixel since then until now and they still are not listening to their customers it seems.
Nope there isn't. Some people prefer overblown colors, others prefer a more muted - dare I say - natural looking screen.
I agree that the level of customisation is lacking and I understand your frustrations. But having had many different devices through the years, you'll usually adapt to the difference in color temperature and gamut over time and that'll become your new standard. It is much like sound from speakers - one initially prefers the sound one is accustomed to and over time either grows to love the new sound profile or keep despising it.
Ady1976 said:
Hi,
First of all I am coming from the OP 8 Pro which has a beautiful screen and whites are whites let me get that out of the way first of all.
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According to this... (display tests)
Pixel 6 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/google-pixel-6-pro-display-review/
Position in Global Ranking #6
Position in Ultra-Premium Ranking #5
OP 8 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/oneplus-8-pro-display-review-color-rendering-a-strength/
Position in Global Ranking #20
You did mention that you have problems with "whites are whites" with your Pixel and not with your OnePlus - maybe you have a defective screen. My P6 Pros display has no problems with whites, yellows or green. Everything fine here.
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Nope there isn't. Some people prefer overblown colors, others prefer a more muted - dare I say - natural looking screen.
I agree that the level of customisation is lacking and I understand your frustrations. But having had many different devices through the years, you'll usually adapt to the difference in color temperature and gamut over time and that'll become your new standard. It is much like sound from speakers - one initially prefers the sound one is accustomed to and over time either grows to love the new sound profile or keep despising it.
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I think the colours are probably just about ok at boosted or adaptive what is making them look even more is the materail you and the warm yellow screen calibration, It doesn't help with colours or whites on any screen even TV's.
Me personally like any TV or Monitor or any screen for that matter they should be configurable to any user, the way google sets their phones up is like a stick it or lump it attitude and it really is not winning me over, People would not keep a TV they were not happy with if the picture could not be adjusted and so goes the same for mobile phone screens and to be quite frank Google the last few years or so have gone worse in terms of screen customisation, Even dare I say it Apple (Cough cough) has white balance adjustments, Why for the love of god do Google not add more screen options, I think I may send it back if nothing can be done, If I could have at least selected black/white is accent colours that would have helped a little for the rest of the green puke on blacks but this screen is just not sharp to me, Even the font they use looks unclear compared to my OP 8 Pro, Weird as it sounds as I have never been a OP fan but they have nailed the screens lately and have a ton of customisation options to boot.
I may wait for the OP 10 Pro, Somehow I don't think I can live with a device that you use for hours each day and is the most important factor imo.
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According to this... (display tests)
Pixel 6 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/google-pixel-6-pro-display-review/
Position in Global Ranking #6
Position in Ultra-Premium Ranking #5
OP 8 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/oneplus-8-pro-display-review-color-rendering-a-strength/
Position in Global Ranking #20
You did mention that you have problems with "whites are whites" with your Pixel and not with your OnePlus - maybe you have a defective screen. My P6 Pros display has no problems with whites, yellows or green. Everything fine here.
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HI,
It's my second P6 Pro I received yesterday and they both look exactly the same, They have been calibrated warm as Google has been doing for a few years now and not having enough configurable display options to allow the user to configure their devcie to their liking, I don't expect miracles but I expect a flagship phone to be adjustable to my needs and likes.
I prefer the cool white look and this is screen is not that, Doesn't look as bad in daylight but in duller darker rooms is looks awful to my eyes, Font is too bold, No black accent colour to get rid off the green puke on blacks because of material you and no white balance adjustment just sucks for a premium device imo.
I will see if I can take a picture both side by side so people can see how white my OP 8 Pro is but sometimes cameras take half assed pics of screens.
Ady1976 said:
I think the colours are probably just about ok at boosted or adaptive what is making them look even more is the materail you and the warm yellow screen calibration, It doesn't help with colours or whites on any screen even TV's.
Me personally like any TV or Monitor or any screen for that matter they should be configurable to any user, the way google sets their phones up is like a stick it or lump it attitude and it really is not winning me over, People would not keep a TV they were not happy with if the picture could not be adjusted and so goes the same for mobile phone screens and to be quite frank Google the last few years or so have gone worse in terms of screen customisation, Even dare I say it Apple (Cough cough) has white balance adjustments, Why for the love of god do Google not add more screen options, I think I may send it back if nothing can be done, If I could have at least selected black/white is accent colours that would have helped a little for the rest of the green puke on blacks but this screen is just not sharp to me, Even the font they use looks unclear compared to my OP 8 Pro, Weird as it sounds as I have never been a OP fan but they have nailed the screens lately and have a ton of customisation options to boot.
I may wait for the OP 10 Pro, Somehow I don't think I can live with a device that you use for hours each day and is the most important factor imo.
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It's not your imagination. Color rendering on all variable rate displays has suffered. Between the variable refresh rate and adjustable brightness accurate color rendering is a casualty.
I haven't use any of the variable refresh rate displays because of this. There are complaints about all manufacturers/models and the P6 has gotten more than its share.
My color perception is in the top 1% of the population. Someone who is at 80% etc can't even see what I can in color shifts. As you ability to perceive color increases so will your expectations. Poor color rendering in a display is extremely annoying to me.
As far as fixed refresh rate displays go the Note 10+ is still near or at the top of the heap for color rendering. It surpasses all the variable refresh rate displays for color rendering.
However starting with the N20U, the S21U and the Fold 3 with variable rate displays the color rendering index dropped. These displays are extremely hard for the manufacturer to color calibrate even for Samsung who are on the bleeding edge of commercial AMOLED technology.
If the small decrease in color rendering is perceivable depends perhaps of the user but it's definitely measurable. It has dropped on all the variable rate displays currently available.
One reason I'm still happily using 2 yo technology...
Use night light to reallllly make it yellow then turn it off, it'll look more whiter for you orrrrr don't buy a pixel lol
blackhawk said:
It's not your imagination. Color rendering on all variable rate displays has suffered. Between the variable refresh rate and adjustable brightness accurate color rendering is a casualty.
I haven't use any of the variable refresh rate displays because of this. There are complaints about all manufacturers/models and the P6 has gotten more than its share.
My color perception is in the top 1% of the population. Someone who is at 80% etc can't even see what I can in color shifts. As you ability to perceive color increases so will your expectations. Poor color rendering in a display is extremely annoying to me.
As far as fixed refresh rate displays go the Note 10+ is still near or at the top of the heap for color rendering. It surpasses all the variable refresh rate displays for color rendering.
However starting with the N20U, the S21U and the Fold 3 with variable rate displays the color rendering index dropped. These displays are extremely hard for the manufacturer to color calibrate even for Samsung who are on the bleeding edge of commercial AMOLED technology.
If the small decrease in color rendering is perceivable depends perhaps of the user but it's definitely measurable. It has dropped on all the variable rate displays currently available.
One reason I'm still happily using 2 yo technology...
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Hey funny you should say that because my Sony TV doesn't look that good at 120hz neither, Colours change from 60hz to 120hz.
But my OP 8 Pro is pure white and good colours, All I can think of they calibrated it for the highest resolution which to be honest is what Google should have done.
kevinireland11 said:
Use night light to reallllly make it yellow then turn it off, it'll look more whiter for you orrrrr don't buy a pixel lol
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Yep it's the reason I sent the 4XL back lol, I'd have thought that many would have complained in the meantime since the last 2 gens and Google would have done something about it, Maybe my eyes are sensitive to screen setup quality or colour or something but I don't rate this screen at all.
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It's not your imagination. Color rendering on all variable rate displays has suffered. Between the variable refresh rate and adjustable brightness accurate color rendering is a casualty.
I haven't use any of the variable refresh rate displays because of this. There are complaints about all manufacturers/models and the P6 has gotten more than its share.
My color perception is in the top 1% of the population. Someone who is at 80% etc can't even see what I can in color shifts. As you ability to perceive color increases so will your expectations. Poor color rendering in a display is extremely annoying to me.
As far as fixed refresh rate displays go the Note 10+ is still near or at the top of the heap for color rendering. It surpasses all the variable refresh rate displays for color rendering.
However starting with the N20U, the S21U and the Fold 3 with variable rate displays the color rendering index dropped. These displays are extremely hard for the manufacturer to color calibrate even for Samsung who are on the bleeding edge of commercial AMOLED technology.
If the small decrease in color rendering is perceivable depends perhaps of the user but it's definitely measurable. It has dropped on all the variable rate displays currently available.
One reason I'm still happily using 2 yo technology...
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Agree about VRR but my s21U @120 Hz display looks *Much* better than my P6P display. The colour is much more vibrant. The P6P display looks dull and yellow IMHO. I'm very underwhelmed by it
Ady1976 said:
Yep it's the reason I sent the 4XL back lol, I'd have thought that many would have complained in the meantime since the last 2 gens and Google would have done something about it, Maybe my eyes are sensitive to screen setup quality or colour or something but I don't rate this screen at all.
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Agreed. I don't think it's a very good panel maybe B+ overall.
Batfink33 said:
Agree about VRR but my s21U @120 Hz display looks *Much* better than my P6P display. The colour is much more vibrant. The P6P display looks dull and yellow IMHO. I'm very underwhelmed by it
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I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint - Pixels are calibrated between a mix of what most TV makers call Warm I/II (which most consider as "accurate")), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION! GREEN IS GREEN! AND THAT MEANS COMIC GREEN! VIBRANT MAXIMUS! (there are thousands and thousands of hues of green, but not with an oversaturated phone...)".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
Morgrain said:
I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION!".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
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Aside from the colours, the panel just looks much better. There's even noticeable PWM on my P6P that the s21U doesn't have. After years of trying to get the right tuning , contrast etc on my TVs I've decided to go with what I like , same for phones, the P6P just doesn't look that nice to me. PS. I didn't think the OP8Pronhad a good display either, mine had pretty bad green tint and black crush at low brightness.
Batfink33 said:
There's even noticeable PWM on my P6P that the s21U doesn't have.
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Interesting. My family has many S21Us and I've noticed flicker on their phones, but not on my P6 Pro. In the end it's a question of sensitivity I guess. Every modern flagshipphone flickers/ has PMW (Iphones, Samsungs, Pixels...), so in the end I'd say get the device that's best for your eyes/headaches.
According to https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsu...proved-in-many-ways-but-not-all.517524.0.html the S21 Ultra has
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"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
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I looked for a test with the P6 Pro, but haven't found such a graphic yet.
Morgrain said:
Interesting. My family has many S21Us and I've noticed flicker on their phones, but not on my P6 Pro. In the end it's a question of sensitivity I guess. Every modern flagshipphone flickers/ has PMW (Iphones, Samsungs, Pixels...), so in the end I'd say get the device that's best for your eyes/headaches.
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Of course, you should get the display you like. A lot is probably subjective anyway.
Morgrain said:
I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint - Pixels are calibrated between a mix of what most TV makers call Warm I/II (which most consider as "accurate")), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION! GREEN IS GREEN! AND THAT MEANS COMIC GREEN! VIBRANT MAXIMUS! (there are thousands and thousands of hues of green, but not with an oversaturated phone...)".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
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The S21U is not "missing colors when in vibrant mode. Although you may find colors oversaturated.
Batfink33 said:
Agreed. I don't think it's a very good panel maybe B+ overall.
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I don't know if it is the panel or the way it has been configured but the more you turn the brightness up the more washed out it gets unlike my OP 8 Pro it is just clear right the way through, However I agree it is not pleasing to my eyes at all, The font for the status bar looks blurry, No white accent to get rid of the puke and can't disable that theming nonsense look, While this may look good to some it does not to me at all.
Morgrain said:
I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint - Pixels are calibrated between a mix of what most TV makers call Warm I/II (which most consider as "accurate")), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION! GREEN IS GREEN! AND THAT MEANS COMIC GREEN! VIBRANT MAXIMUS! (there are thousands and thousands of hues of green, but not with an oversaturated phone...)".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
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Yes but question do you watch everyday TV programs with Warm 1 or Warm 2 as it is known on Sony TV's? I am going to stick my neck out and say you probably don't as most Warm profiles on TV's is for Movies only not everyday use and the fact is I can adjust it on my TV back to neutral without that yellow look.
As for the colours yes they do look natural and just about right but it's that washed out look that makes the colours look even more muted, No point having a good colour profile and then washing them out all with yellow is there lets be honest it does not make sense and never has why they do this on a device that you look at 99% of the time and 9 times out of 10 your not watching movies on it anyway.
Also not just the yellow tint you have to put up with on these P 6's and Pro's it's even that crappy material you that you can't turn and so no mater what wallpaper you use it's adding yet another layer of colour on top of the yellow already, So you've got yellow and 1 of them 4 accent colours messing everything up, My problem is with Google is they are not helping at all by not allowing users to configure their screens, You would not in a million years as an enthusiast purchase a TV that you cannot configure the screen for so.
Ady1976 said:
I don't know if it is the panel or the way it has been configured but the more you turn the brightness up the more washed out it gets unlike my OP 8 Pro it is just clear right the way through, However I agree it is not pleasing to my eyes at all, The font for the status bar looks blurry, No white accent to get rid of the puke and can't disable that theming nonsense look, While this may look good to some it does not to me at all.
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To each their own I suppose. I had the OP 8 Pro before the P6P, and I prefer the P6P's display. The OP 8 Pro would give me a headache after a while of viewing, and the P6P's display does not.
I also prefer the more natural colors of the P6P than the exceedingly vibrant, almost cartoonish-like colors of the Samsung, and OP displays to a lesser extent.
Ady1976 said:
I don't know if it is the panel or the way it has been configured but the more you turn the brightness up the more washed out it gets unlike my OP 8 Pro it is just clear right the way through, However I agree it is not pleasing to my eyes at all, The font for the status bar looks blurry, No white accent to get rid of the puke and can't disable that theming nonsense look, While this may look good to some it does not to me at all.
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That's interesting you said about the font looking blurry, this is something I also see but I don't know whats causing it, text looks grainy to me. I don't know the technical reason or why but there's a kind of grain to the display that I can see.