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This popped up in my head yesterday. I'm loving my M360 with it's latest update that just made the battery life insane for me. 15 to 17 hours with 60%+ Left. Woot
But Now I am wondering...
The M360 has the oldest processor smallest battery...Yet it now out preforms the G Watch and Gear live...? What? Really making the others look like a joke now.
Your thoughts?
Locklear308 said:
Your thoughts?
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We're just witnessing the power of software... if you have the latest processor you don't have to try that hard to get reasonable battery life.
But Motorola had bad PR from reviewers about battery life, so they were forced to optimize their code.
IMO, the fact that the life improved so much is what gets Motorola points for me. They could have made it just "good enough", but it feels like they really went all out hopefully they support this watch for a long time
Not sure where you are seeing they are being outperformed? If all things equal (both using always on set to off) G Watch battery will last much longer. The problem is that nobody compares the battery life of these devices using equal settings on both devices.
17 hours and you're at 60%?!?
I took it off at 8 am, and right now it's 3:20 pm and I am at 40%.
And I was in school the whole day so i only checked my watch for time and notifications
I have ambient off, auto brightness and lvl 1 brightness
are you using stock?
I just got this watch monday, so maybe the battery needs to set in, and I did get the latest update
My record is 50 hours with the simple watchface, ambient was off but I checked it plenty.
First day using the watch(got it yesterday). I finished school and I'm at 38% its around 5 pm and I took it off at 7:30 am. I used it a ton though, even showed off the little games to friends. Once it starts to set in, I'm sure I can get a day+ out of it.
I've gotten a good day and a half with this watch, it drains fast at first but as you use it, it will get better.
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That's some amazing optimization
I haven't had time to check the various battery life threads, but has anyone (with good battery life experiences), noted whether during the majority of their
daily time with the watch - they are within connection range of their phone and indeed remain connected?
Just wondering what being out of bluetooth range/not connected does to battery life? i.e. is it similar to the situation when a phone is "polling" for
a Wifi connection or polling for a phone network connection but can't find one so the constant polling activity results in higher than average battery drain..
I personally think that the battery life discussion is one of the silliest there is. I have been always burnt by saying how great battery is somewhere. Was it Galaxy S2, HTC M7, M8 or now Sony Z3, they are never THAT good. However on Moto 360 I am really happily surprised. Even from the first day on I have never had problem with the battery. Actually I have yet to see sub 20%levels on the Moto 360. I get it off charger around 7AM and put it back 11Pm or 12AM. I usually have around 30-40% left. I use automatic brightness and ambient off. I do get a lot of notifications.
But the much praised Z3 goes to charger much sooner than this watch. Sure, I couldn't go on for the next day but it doesn't matter if I can make 20 hours easily since I never sleep with my watch on the wrist.
So, you are saying you get 5hrs of battery life and that's great?
7AM - 12PM. That's only 5hrs. Lol
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i have noticed that having Facer and the other custom watch ups uninstalled (Facer especially) It helps me out with battery life big time.
Even when facer isn't running?
Uninstalling helps battery? I might try that today for shiggles.
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I've had the G Watch since it came out, and the 360 for a few weeks now. All things being equal, the G Watch goes an extra 12 hours easy, but it sure isn't as good looking as the 360, so it had been relegated to just morning gym sessions now.
Locklear308 said:
This popped up in my head yesterday. I'm loving my M360 with it's latest update that just made the battery life insane for me. 15 to 17 hours with 60%+ Left. Woot
But Now I am wondering...
The M360 has the oldest processor smallest battery...Yet it now out preforms the G Watch and Gear live...? What? Really making the others look like a joke now.
Your thoughts?
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My thoughts are that many of us get nowhere near those numbers, and you must be barely using your watch with almost everything disabled to get 2.35% per hour power consumption.
On my watch with latest firmware, reset after the firmware was installed, no apps at all, ambient mode off, step counter on, and default brightness, I cannot get below 3% per hour with almost zero usage, and hover nearer to 4% per hour with real-world (light to moderate) usage. At 17 hours, I would have at best 49% remaining, and more likely 32% remaining.
And that's with ambient mode off. Enable ambient mode and even with light usage and no apps at all, my watch will regularly fail to make it through a single regular, 16-hour day (that's the time between waking and sleeping with an eight-hour sleep cycle, which is the most a typical adult gets).
Also, what review have you seen with the G Watch or Gear Live using their latest-available firmware, so you can make a valid comparison? Because comparing the Moto 360 on its latest firmware against those devices on early firmware is utterly unfair and meaningless.
The Gear Live massively outperforms the 360 in regards to battery stamina. I don't understand how you guys are getting 50 hrs on a charge. I do like ambient mode, but I can still kill a battery in 12 hrs easily.
Hi guys!
Time has come to replace my SW2. I like it very much even now, but I wanna make the step to Android Wear.
I would like to hear from you guys what's the best smartwatch out there in the terms of battery life. One thing I like about my SW2, is the battery life 5+ days with moderate usage.
Every oppinion is highly accepted!
Thank you in advance!
i haven't done ane research yet, but i think sw3 has a better battery life for android wear, the look is the only thing that makes me want android wear, because none of the android wear smartwatch yet could have a prolonged battery life. since most of them (from the review i read) only could last a day or two
corrections.. none of them last for more than a day, here is a review, http://www.greenbot.com/article/283...-best-android-wear-watch-available-today.html
I wouldn't like a Sony Smartwatch again... but if no other oportunities show, I guess I'll have to stick with Sony...
SW3 has certainly the best battery life with his transflective screen but SW3 is also the badest screen in dim mode (99% of the time using the watch). All other wear device have nice watchface even in dim mode but SW3 has a screen like the SW2 so 2 colors only. You lost all the nice wear face.
Apart the SW3 the best battery life is certainly the LG-R with his P-Oled display. (I have an SW2, LG G-Watch and R-Watch).
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SW3 has certainly the best battery life with his transflective screen but SW3 is also the badest screen in dim mode (99% of the time using the watch). All other wear device have nice watchface even in dim mode but SW3 has a screen like the SW2 so 2 colors only. You lost all the nice wear face.
Apart the SW3 the best battery life is certainly the LG-R with his P-Oled display. (I have an SW2, LG G-Watch and R-Watch).
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i wish i could try one if i had enough money.. but none of them were sold in my country, imported one were insane expensive..
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SW3 has certainly the best battery life with his transflective screen but SW3 is also the badest screen in dim mode (99% of the time using the watch). All other wear device have nice watchface even in dim mode but SW3 has a screen like the SW2 so 2 colors only. You lost all the nice wear face.
Apart the SW3 the best battery life is certainly the LG-R with his P-Oled display. (I have an SW2, LG G-Watch and R-Watch).
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Thank you for your reply!
So, you mean that SW3 is best in sunlight, but because it's backlight off, it won't be able to show colors. That's not a problem. I need battery life, not stupid permanent lit display.
I would like to know what the SW3 charging system? Classic cable? Damn, Moto 360 with it's Qi charging is great!
Yes, the SW3 has a standard micro usb cable.
When reading the review, it seem that in final, SW3 not has a very better battery life than a LG-R, maybe just a little.
Well, after a little research, I think my final decision (80%) is for the Galaxy Gear 2 and S6 (I will replace my phone too).
Thank you guys for your help (+1).
Have a good day!
I just buy a second-hand Gear 2 on ebay
Well, can you point me out a few things?
- How is the battery life (hard usage/normal usage/light usage)?
- How is the screen in bright conditions?
- How many apps are available for the Gear 2?
- How is the camera (can you post a normal sample and a macro sample)?
- How is the Bluetooth signal? Do you get random disconnects?
- How is the speaker and the microphone?
I really appreciate if you're willing to help.
Thank you!
I'm wating for my new Gear 2 Neo, maybe at end of week or Monday.
I made some research for app but it is difficult because you can not see app store without Gear connected at your phone
Samsung claim 300apps. App seen in google search seem very interessting.
AlarmPro
Gear Tasks
wrist list
APE Pad
Quick Notes
My Notes
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khrystyan27 said:
Well, can you point me out a few things?
- How is the battery life (hard usage/normal usage/light usage)?
- How is the screen in bright conditions?
- How many apps are available for the Gear 2?
- How is the camera (can you post a normal sample and a macro sample)?
- How is the Bluetooth signal? Do you get random disconnects?
- How is the speaker and the microphone?
I really appreciate if you're willing to help.
Thank you!
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Received today Very very very..... nice smartwatch !
First day is a very high usage so can say anything on normal use. I'm at 36% after 12H of install and test many apps and alarm with vibe and sound.
Screen can bright very high, I use the mini otherwise it is too bright indoor.
I have yet loaded many many very usefull app, more than the SW2
No camera on Gear 2 Neo
No disconnection
Speaker and micro is nice when using S-Voice input and output. but it is not a 100w amplifier
Thank you for your oppinion!
I think that I will wait for LG G4 and SW3 combination. Thank you very much for your help, guys!
Have a great day!
SW3
I have just returned my SW3 because of some screen problems . I was very disappointed firstly with the build quality (I bought in Nederlands) and than with Android Wear functions.
You can still do plenty more with AW than with SW2's software but I'll stick with Sony's software a bit longer because SW3 couldn't do the following:
-show you misses calls,
-let you read older emails or messages,
-battery only lets you have fun without charge for 2 days,
-it feels as two little interest is invested in releasing relevant updates for it.
Looking to get an Android Wear smartwatch.
The Moto has the better water resistance, bigger circular screen but the Asus has better battery, P-OLED screen and faster CPU.
Some Moto 360 users are reporting problems like screen burn in, and battery drain, should I be worried about this?
I need the battery to last from 7 AM to 10 PM.
In for feedback also.
I just got the Moto 360 yesterday and so far it is very nice, but honestly think I prefer my Pebble Time more. Would love to hear other users input.
flyingfinn333 said:
Looking to get an Android Wear smartwatch.
The Moto has the better water resistance, bigger circular screen but the Asus has better battery, P-OLED screen and faster CPU.
Some Moto 360 users are reporting problems like screen burn in, and battery drain, should I be worried about this?
I need the battery to last from 7 AM to 10 PM.
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I have had my watch since February, no screen burn in at all. I charge it all night so the screen is on all night as well.
I usually take mine off the charger at 5:30 am and don't put it back on until 10:30 pm and I am normally in the 30's at that point. I have a lot of notifications that come through during the day, I would say 5 to 10 an hour on average. On days I run and use runkeeper it will take about 10% off the battery life every 45 min. So my average days I have no issues making it through a full day. I have found that I need to restart the watch about once a week to maintain this, if not I can have a day where the battery life tanks for no reason.
If you plan to use GPS (Maps) a lot or use the watch to play music via bluetooth from the watch those both will kill the battery faster.
I have had my moto360 for about 2 weeks... But here's the catch (now this obviously may vary from person to person)
When the Moto360 first came out, I was sold on it, I wanted one... But I waited. So now that I bought one I had to go through 2 exchanges because, the first one had a severe battery drain problem and the 2nd one, once it died, wouldn't turn on, even after a day of being on the charger. Now that I have a 3rd (which was my final exchange, and would have requested a refund after) it seems to be working great! I love the build. Of course I wish many things about it were better, but because I like it so much I was willing to get one that works. Just like you're phone, if you use it smart you can get great battery life out of it. When I'm home I have it disconnected from my Bluetooth connection because I don't use it. I can get to the end of the night with 20% or so left. Easily lasting from 7am to midnight. At the price it's set at now, I believe it's worth it. At least until v2 comes out.
flyingfinn333 said:
Looking to get an Android Wear smartwatch.
The Moto has the better water resistance, bigger circular screen but the Asus has better battery, P-OLED screen and faster CPU.
Some Moto 360 users are reporting problems like screen burn in, and battery drain, should I be worried about this?
I need the battery to last from 7 AM to 10 PM.
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I don't think screen burn in is possible on moto 360 since it doesn't have oled.
Mine on full charge lasts day and a half and I'm using it as a pedometer and I've got a watchface which takes my heart rate everytime I turn the screen on.
Big battery savings: Ambient screen (doh), Tilt to wake screen OFF! Just tilt to wake off at least doubles my battery life.
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I don't think screen burn in is possible on moto 360 since it doesn't have oled.
Mine on full charge lasts day and a half and I'm using it as a pedometer and I've got a watchface which takes my heart rate everytime I turn the screen on.
Big battery savings: Ambient screen (doh), Tilt to wake screen OFF! Just tilt to wake off at least doubles my battery life.
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Which watchface is that? I'd love to see more frequent HR data.
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Which watchface is that? I'd love to see more frequent HR data.
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An one I made myself. After I downloaded tons of free watchfaces and even wasted money purchasing watchfaces I used for a few hours before realizing they won't work for me. I realized that if I want something tailored EXACTLY for my needs, I'll have to make it myself.
Inspired by Iguana's http://facerepo.com/app/faces/details/military-digital-watchface-14a9a3f7838 I stole his compass ring and heart and steps icon. I hope He won't mind too much since I made it strictly for my own use, no distribution intended.
The battery life on the watch seems to be much better than my Urbane so far. I used it all day yesterday and I still had at least another day of use left. I still charged jt last night but I might try to see how long it will last before it dies.
Here it is with ambient mlde always on, WiFi on, and brightness set at 4.
Post you battery life below:
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The battery life on the watch seems to be much better than my Urbane so far. I used it all day yesterday and I still had at least another day of use left. I still charged jt last night but I might try to see how long it will last before it dies.
Here it is with ambient mlde always on, WiFi on, and brightness set at 4.
Post you battery life below:
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WOW! Better than the urbane? I had the urbane, and was satisfied with batt life. My one concern with the huawei was the smaller batt.
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WOW! Better than the urbane? I had the urbane, and was satisfied with batt life. My one concern with the huawei was the smaller batt.
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The above should speak for itself. My Urbane was good but it was inconsistent some day I would end with 30% others I would have 60% doing this exact same thing. I'm only really on my full second day now but it still seems better overall. I've also noticed its a little faster which it shouldn't be because they are identical hardware wise. I'll report back later this week after I use it at school. I usually really 3-6 miles depending on the day which could kill the battery faster since it's counting my steps. Yesterday I only walked 2 miles which isn't a lot so we will see.
Mine doesn't make it through the day
I've had it 2 1/2 days, maybe it will get better. But it's dead by late evening - maybe 8p, with an 8a start.
Here's today's:
I'm using the same set up as I listed in the OP. Let's see how it does tomorrow now
I used it on the first day full charge. With everything on except google fit and brightness at level 4. I was getting 2.81% decrease/hr. I measured from 7 am to 4 pm; a 9 hr day with at least 30 emails and other notifications from tapatalk and such. 1 phone call and a few texts in that 9hr period. However today in my 2 hr venture to the grocery store, I used up about 5.41%/hr. And I did change up the watchface to a sweeping seconds one. That was the only diff to account for the increased battery. BUT even with that, the battery meter still said it would last another 2 days.
Like many others have said, this is my second full day with it. I assume it will just get stable and get an accurate reading in another day or so.
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I used it on the first day full charge. With everything on except google fit and brightness at level 4. I was getting 2.81% decrease/hr. I measured from 7 am to 4 pm; a 9 hr day with at least 30 emails and other notifications from tapatalk and such. 1 phone call and a few texts in that 9hr period. However today in my 2 hr venture to the grocery store, I used up about 5.41%/hr. And I did change up the watchface to a sweeping seconds one. That was the only diff to account for the increased battery. BUT even with that, the battery meter still said it would last another 2 days.
Like many others have said, this is my second full day with it. I assume it will just get stable and get an accurate reading in another day or so.
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Yeah it seems to get good better life from my initial impressions. I would say with heavier usage it would get 1.25-1.5days but that depends on how you use it.
So far mixed review on battery life. Yesterday, it didn't last the whole day. But I think the wifi might have been on when I wasn't near a wifi. Did a 90 minute bike ride today and was connected to my phone vis RunGPS application which should have been using the watch HRM. Went from 95% to 45% in those 90 minutes. Don't know the impact, but when I got back, found the HR was stuck at 125 for half the ride, and 72 for the other half of the ride. Just frozen. I charged it fully at 12:00, now at almost 11PM, it has 73% remaining. I have the display set with "always on" turned off.
swngdncr said:
So far mixed review on battery life. Yesterday, it didn't last the whole day. But I think the wifi might have been on when I wasn't near a wifi. Did a 90 minute bike ride today and was connected to my phone vis RunGPS application which should have been using the watch HRM. Went from 95% to 45% in those 90 minutes. Don't know the impact, but when I got back, found the HR was stuck at 125 for half the ride, and 72 for the other half of the ride. Just frozen. I charged it fully at 12:00, now at almost 11PM, it has 73% remaining. I have the display set with "always on" turned off.
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I never use the HRM because I know it kills the battery based on experience with AW and my old Samsung Gear Fit. I'm not surprised that it died that fast because its not made to primarily be a fitness watch despite having a HRM and fitness apps. I know that sounds dumb but a fitbit would do a better job because that's is sole purpose. I don't expect the HRM to be accurate on any smart watch; I tested mine yesterday at the gym while on the treadmill. The treadmill say my HR was 165 while the watch said it was 100 so there's a big difference and I trust the treadmill over the watch in this case. I have my display always on still and get good battery life. I don't expect the watch to last forever if I'm cranking the brightness and using the HRM. I'm not defending the watch by any means but rather stating that no AW/smart watch would handke this kind of thing well yet. I enjoy the look of Huawei and convenience it provides with alerts, notes etc... but I'm glad it lasts a day for my type of usage. I wonder if Marshmallow will improve the battery life at all.
Here's today's battery life. I knocked the watch of my night stand last night so I had to finish charging it when I got campus in case anyone was wondering about the activity tracking and watch on time difference from today. Nevertheless here's today's battery stats. Overall the battery life wasn't impacted that much by walking ~12k steps and over 5 miles which is surprising. I use the standard blue watch face it comes with because it's my favorite one so far and ambient mlde is always on as mentioned above.
I forgot to attach there picture :/
Good battery backup for a smartwatch
Had it fully charged when I went to bed last night, it was down to 30% when I got up this morning. I have no idea why it went down so fast. I put it in theater mode when I go to bed. I slept through the alarms, I'm wondering if maybe they were going off repeatedly and wore the battery down. -cjr-
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Here's today's battery life. I knocked the watch of my night stand last night so I had to finish charging it when I got campus in case anyone was wondering about the activity tracking and watch on time difference from today. Nevertheless here's today's battery stats. Overall the battery life wasn't impacted that much by walking ~12k steps and over 5 miles which is surprising. I use the standard blue watch face it comes with because it's my favorite one so far and ambient mlde is always on as mentioned above.
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Had it fully charged when I went to bed last night, it was down to 30% when I got up this morning. I have no idea why it went down so fast. I put it in theater mode when I go to bed. I slept through the alarms, I'm wondering if maybe they were going off repeatedly and wore the battery down. -cjr-
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I'd imagine if your anything like me and ignore your alarm for an hour because I'm a heavy sleeper then the vibration motor would certainly bring it down fast. I think that's really odd to drain that much but if it's consistently doing that I would be concerned.
Yeah, I tried using Sports Gear Tracker today to track my workout... didn't work eiter. I thought it was tracking and I checked a few times. The HR appeared frozen again, but the timer was running. But, when I got home, it has no record of the workout. Don't know what happened. Google fit does have the workout. But the Heart rate record is just flat. I'm going to try a hard reset and see if that fixes the Heart rate problem. Would sure like to know if anyone else is having any success with HRM, I'm thinking at this point to send it back as defective and try a different one. Seems odd that it would perform that badly. -cjr-
I'm still not getting through the day - 12 hours tops before it dies. Am wondering about settings - I have everything set as it came out of the box: haven't touched WiFi, so assume it's on; have ambient display always on.; default brightness setting of 4.
I'm not using the HRM at all, and not even really checking the watch constantly.
Any suggestions? (thanks in advance)
I have wifi off. I had it on and I think it really drained the battery.. try turning it off..
Urbane definitely had better batt life. While the huawei is acceptable, its definitely not as good, which I did expect with the battery being 25% smaller.
Thanks, will give that a try.
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Urbane definitely had better batt life. While the huawei is acceptable, its definitely not as good, which I did expect with the battery being 25% smaller.
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I'm having the opposite experience here. My Urbane was very inconsistent with battery life but when it had a good day it was around what the Huawei is. Its dependent on your usage but for me its great.
Why is the battery life so dreadful on Watch Active?
What is going on under the hood to wipe out a full charge in just over 24 hours. Don't tell me its notification, or HR, or WiFi or Bluetooth or location 'cos they are all off. I don't use Pay or Bixby or any 3rd party applications just the basic watch. So is this normal? Do Samsung put cheap rubbish batteries in their watches?
Surely you folks out there don't regard this as normal or acceptable?
My previous watch (and current) is from Huami Amazfit, a Verge Lite. Yes it is very basic, but it does the basics very well and with a battery life of at least 40 days. Plus it costs less than half of what I paid for the Active.
Value for money? Sorry Samsung you lose big time!
Hmm, I guess nobody is interested......
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Hmm, I guess nobody is interested......
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It's happening because Samsung ****ed it up with the latest watch update
https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/Wearables/Galaxy-Watch-Rapid-Battery-Drain/td-p/727675
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Did you try to reset your watch? Often that helps with this kind of issues after an update.
In the Galaxy Wearable app, what is indicated as the top battery consumer?
Sorry to hear about your issues. I have every single feature turned on except always-on display and I get three days.
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Why is the battery life so dreadful on Watch Active?
What is going on under the hood to wipe out a full charge in just over 24 hours. Don't tell me its notification, or HR, or WiFi or Bluetooth or location 'cos they are all off. I don't use Pay or Bixby or any 3rd party applications just the basic watch. So is this normal? Do Samsung put cheap rubbish batteries in their watches?
Surely you folks out there don't regard this as normal or acceptable?
My previous watch (and current) is from Huami Amazfit, a Verge Lite. Yes it is very basic, but it does the basics very well and with a battery life of at least 40 days. Plus it costs less than half of what I paid for the Active.
Value for money? Sorry Samsung you lose big time!
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Strange, I have Auto-HR every 10 minute, Auto-Wifi, Bluetooth, Location, brightness on level 6, strong vibration on all notifications on all 150 apps installed on phone.
And my watch lasts 4 full days, on every charge since I got it a year ago.
My record is 5 full days, but then I had to lower brightness.
Make a factory reset on the watch asap. The battery life of my gwa2 is EXCELLENT, constant hrm and my battery always lasts for 3-4 days.
I had the same problem with you just a two days after I bought the watch, for some reason one morning the watch started draining the battery like crazy. I made a factory reset and everything is great ever since.
Actually I believe that the battery life on this watch is one of the best out there (except huawei watches that last a lofetime[emoji1787]) I always go wknd trips and I don't even take my charger with me..
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Mine goes well too, around 3 days with location always on, Bluetooth, WiFi on auto, brightness to minimum with auto brightness, and the most informative embedded face watch and constant HR and stress level. But I'm using sleep for android which is quite hard on the battery too.
Speaking of which, I can't configure it for BLE, it doesn't detect the watch, but only the standard Bluetooth.
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Make a factory reset on the watch asap. The battery life of my gwa2 is EXCELLENT, constant hrm and my battery always lasts for 3-4 days.
I had the same problem with you just a two days after I bought the watch, for some reason one morning the watch started draining the battery like crazy. I made a factory reset and everything is great ever since.
Actually I believe that the battery life on this watch is one of the best out there (except huawei watches that last a lofetime[emoji1787]) I always go wknd trips and I don't even take my charger with me..
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Not best out there by miles!
My Amazfit Stratos typically lasts 25 to 30 days (daytime wear only) and my Amazfit Verge Lite (my 24/7) will easily go 40+ days and nights even with continuous HR. I'm staggered you folks think 2-3 days is good. Think about it, after 500 recharges your battery starts to fade - about 15 months for Samsung. You're paying extra big bucks for a very limited device life, thats great for Samsung to keep emptying your pocket!