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A favor to ask - regarding camera

Can someone PLEASE install vignette and try taking a photo with the stock camera and vignette?
I want to see if the compression and artifacting is software sourced....
I am so torn with regards to my next phone, and I have heard insanely amazing things about the One, but I am also a pretty avid mobile photographer and really appreciate a better than average camera....
Let me know if you try this and if you can, post the results?

Assuming the Vignette Demo (free version) would suffice?

m4rk0358 said:
Assuming the Vignette Demo (free version) would suffice?
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Don't think so, demo might not have full quality.

I have the full version. But its dark now. Do you need a daylight picture?
Sent from my HTC One.

josh995 said:
I have the full version. But its dark now. Do you need a daylight picture?
Sent from my HTC One.
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Yeah, Daylight..... no rush. I am just hung up on this camera.

drtchocky said:
Can someone PLEASE install vignette and try taking a photo with the stock camera and vignette?
I want to see if the compression and artifacting is software sourced....
I am so torn with regards to my next phone, and I have heard insanely amazing things about the One, but I am also a pretty avid mobile photographer and really appreciate a better than average camera....
Let me know if you try this and if you can, post the results?
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I honestly wouldn't go with the HTC One or the GS4 if you want a great mobile camera. Where the HTC One excels in average light and low-light, it is awful outdoors, and the 4MP's aren't anything extraordinary either. The iPhone5 has a slightly better camera than the One, and the 5S should be getting released in less than a month. I honestly hate referring you to the iPhone because it sucks everywhere else against Android. The 5S should be a getting a slightly improved camera which would put it as a good bit better than the One's camera. The GS4's camera isn't better than the One, but it does do better in bright lighting/outdoors and has a better MP count.
It is possible that the HTC One Max being released soon might be getting a better "Ultrapixel" camera than our non-phablet One's. Maybe look into that? Or the iPhone5S. I can't imagine the Nexus 5 being released in a few months would have a much better camera than last years Nexus, and not to mention it likely won't be on Verizon.
Also, the Moto X's camera is god awful.

Syn Ack said:
I honestly wouldn't go with the HTC One or the GS4 if you want a great mobile camera. Where the HTC One excels in average light and low-light, it is awful outdoors, and the 4MP's aren't anything extraordinary either. The iPhone5 has a slightly better camera than the One, and the 5S should be getting released in less than a month. I honestly hate referring you to the iPhone because it sucks everywhere else against Android. The 5S should be a getting a slightly improved camera which would put it as a good bit better than the One's camera. The GS4's camera isn't better than the One, but it does do better in bright lighting/outdoors and has a better MP count.
It is possible that the HTC One Max being released soon might be getting a better "Ultrapixel" camera than our non-phablet One's. Maybe look into that? Or the iPhone5S. I can't imagine the Nexus 5 being released in a few months would have a much better camera than last years Nexus, and not to mention it likely won't be on Verizon.
Also, the Moto X's camera is god awful.
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Isn't odd to anyone else that you can't get the holy trifecta of build/update/camera on one phone these days? I am almost getting to that point where I am paranoid that there's been a backroom agreement between manufacturers to only have 1 or 2 out of 3....

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Isn't odd to anyone else that you can't get the holy trifecta of build/update/camera on one phone these days? I am almost getting to that point where I am paranoid that there's been a backroom agreement between manufacturers to only have 1 or 2 out of 3....
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Basically if you combined the iPhone5 and the HTC One specs and took the best of each, you would have the best mobile phone camera available. I tried out the Lumia 1020, not impressed in the slightest.

I have an HTC One and an iPhone 5 and I like the photos on the HTC One better. Although it could be the 1080p screen that's tricking me.
I have vignette and will take a stock camera + vignette pic shortly
Sent from my HTC One.

Syn Ack said:
Basically if you combined the iPhone5 and the HTC One specs and took the best of each, you would have the best mobile phone camera available. I tried out the Lumia 1020, not impressed in the slightest.
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I am inclined to agree. though, for my hands I'd prefer a 5 inch screen

The Sony i1 is being announced next week. G lens 20mp camera, expandable memory, etc. Might be worth waiting to see what they announce.

m4rk0358 said:
The Sony i1 is being announced next week. G lens 20mp camera, expandable memory, etc. Might be worth waiting to see what they announce.
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A sony phone on Verizon? think not.

Syn Ack said:
Basically if you combined the iPhone5 and the HTC One specs and took the best of each, you would have the best mobile phone camera available. I tried out the Lumia 1020, not impressed in the slightest.
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I agree with this completely. HTC got nearly everything right except for the camera. I'm hoping that the next iteration has slightly less bezel (think Moto X form factor) and a camera on par to whatever the 5S will have. If so, I'll be buying one at full price to replace this HTC One.

Ok I have taken 2 pictures, one with the stock camera and one with the Vignette camera. How would you like to see them? They're not the best pictures because it was lightly raining and I didn't want to get my phone wet so I was trying to keep the phone under the eve of my roof.

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A sony phone on Verizon? think not.
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Why the doubt? There has been at least one Sony Android phones on Verizon before.

We also need to consider another factor. A camera is only as good as the photographer using it. I am by no means a professional yet in have seen great pictures and taken great pics with the HTC one that I would put up against the gs4 or the iPhone 5(I have owned all 3). The HTC one has many more options than either one of those cameras when it comes to exposure, shutter, white balance, etc. The camera editor is also great on this phone. If you use the correct scene it also helps a bunch as well.
Unless we are talking about enlarging the pic bigger than a 4x6 or 5x7 then that's where the One would fail and the GS4 or ip5 would clearly succeed. As far as posting to Facebook or instagram etc the one will be great .
Sent From My HTC One

josh995 said:
Ok I have taken 2 pictures, one with the stock camera and one with the Vignette camera. How would you like to see them? They're not the best pictures because it was lightly raining and I didn't want to get my phone wet so I was trying to keep the phone under the eve of my roof.
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just embed them in this thread?

Not a great morning here, cloudy/foggy, but heres a shot from both stock and vignette, respectively. Also attached a zip of the 2 since the pics would be altered due to size limits. The 'brighter' one (also taken fist, check filename) is the stock. Didn't get Vignette to focus well, and can only take 3.1M images, was on "superfine" with no filter.

For some reason Vignette can only capture up to 3.1MP on the HTC One, plus it doesn't do HDR either. I find it best to use the stock camera with HDR and then share with Vignette for the filters I want to apply. The photo comes out better than just using Vignette straight.

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For some reason Vignette can only capture up to 3.1MP on the HTC One, plus it doesn't do HDR either. I find it best to use the stock camera with HDR and then share with Vignette for the filters I want to apply. The photo comes out better than just using Vignette straight.
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if i used them yeah thats what you would have to do. HTC has an odd camera and pixel count, so i'm not surprised Vignette doesn't properly support it. They've always been good about resolving issues though, so theres hope.

[Q] Further Camera updates? HTC or Devs?

Since the .15/.17 updates, we have seen a modest improvement in camera quality, furthermore, the RAW mode has shown that the sensor and lens combination can take some decent shots, even in low light
(look here) http://www.anandtech.com/show/9211/a-quick-look-at-one-m9-raw-photos
Now, yes, we could all just shoot in raw and learn how to correct the profiles, but, simply put, we shouldn't have to.
It is evident that HTC's jpgs are not being processed well, resulting in poor images.
I've tweeted HTC to ask if there are further improvements coming, and I didn't get a real response. Does anyone in the know have details as to whether they have committed to continue working on their JPGs, or will this have to go to one of the hardworking devs here to do something about?

Personally i've found HTC jpeg shots look better than RAW, and even in the photo's you've linked it's better in JPEG to be fair.
The S6 and iphone don't impress me either.
All the shots are awful, so I wouldn't use any of them as low light or night time shooters.
I wouldn't expect too much more in the way of improvements and if this phone's camera isn't good enough for you, i'd give up and sell it because they're all much of a muchness and no substitute for an Ultrapixel or proper camera.

Would love to see ANY update. When is it coming to europe and Sweden? Hate waiting....

I don't know what to tell you, then. The S6 and the iPhone are pretty much the gold standard for camera phones right now, and to call them awful is pure hyperbole. You might be a pro photographer and prefer a DSLR or pro gear, but even a pro photographer would be able to know what the intended use were for camera phones and not resort to calling them "awful" when they're clearly quite good for what they are.
The HTC camera, however, is simply horrendous. For simple point & shoot operation, this is damn near unusable indoors, and much worse than my Nexus 5, which is generally regarded to have a pretty bad camera. HTC **** the bed on their processing, and need to put some engineers towards improving this before it hurts them even more. Fortunately, this CAN be done over an OTA, but somehow I doubt it will.
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The S6 and iphone don't impress me either.
All the shots are awful, so I wouldn't use any of them as low light or night time shooters.
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I don't know what to tell you, then. The S6 and the iPhone are pretty much the gold standard for camera phones right now, and to call them awful is pure hyperbole. You might be a pro photographer and prefer a DSLR or pro gear, but even a pro photographer would be able to know what the intended use were for camera phones and not resort to calling them "awful" when they're clearly quite good for what they are.
The HTC camera, however, is simply horrendous. For simple point & shoot operation, this is damn near unusable indoors, and much worse than my Nexus 5, which is generally regarded to have a pretty bad camera. HTC **** the bed on their processing, and need to put some engineers towards improving this before it hurts them even more. Fortunately, this CAN be done over an OTA, but somehow I doubt it will.
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There isn't any perfect phone out there, but easy there I think the HTC M9 camera is great if you know how to tweak the exposure, contrast, and saturation. Maybe you should have a look on how to fox it

mr.dj26 said:
There isn't any perfect phone out there, but easy there I think the HTC M9 camera is great if you know how to tweak the exposure, contrast, and saturation. Maybe you should have a look on how to fox it
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As I said, for POINT & SHOOT operation, this phone is absolutely awful. Like 99% of the population, I do not want, nor should I need, to tweak any settings to make the phone usable as a camera. Should manually adjusting the camera take BETTER pictures than point and shoot? Sure. But using the camera right out of the box should take semi decent pictures, not the blurry, pixelated mess that HTC's software produces. Saying "Oh, it'll work fine as soon as you adjust the contrast, exposure, saturation, etc etc etc" is NOT something that will work for the general public.

So don't call a camera phone awful, but it is ok to call one horrendous. Lol. My wife has the Note 4 and before that she had the Note 2. We have had other Samsung phones in the past. Her phone does take a slight better pics than mine, but let's not exaggerate it. For those spur of the moment memories, texts, and social media, my phone does just fine. I have found iPhones do produce really nice photos, but my understanding has been that Apple does a little extra with the processing and the end result is not a natural photo.
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fernandezhjr said:
So don't call a camera phone awful, but it is ok to call one horrendous. Lol. My wife has the Note 4 and before that she had the Note 2. We have had other Samsung phones in the past. Her phone does take a slight better pics than mine, but let's not exaggerate it. For those spur of the moment memories, texts, and social media, my phone does just fine. I have found iPhones do produce really nice photos, but my understanding has been that Apple does a little extra with the processing and the end result is not a natural photo.
Sent from my HTC One M9 using Tapatalk
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I've had the S6, it's quite adept at taking pictures. It's not DSLR quality, but as far as camera phones go, it's at the top for sure. Meanwhile, every single point & shoot picture out of the M9 comes out a pixelated mess.
I never said don't call a camera phone awful. I said you simply cannot take the gold standard out there and say it takes awful pictures. It's simply inaccurate. Meanwhile, for point & shoot, the M9 certainly is a poor performer.

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I've had the S6, it's quite adept at taking pictures. It's not DSLR quality, but as far as camera phones go, it's at the top for sure. Meanwhile, every single point & shoot picture out of the M9 comes out a pixelated mess.
I never said don't call a camera phone awful. I said you simply cannot take the gold standard out there and say it takes awful pictures. It's simply inaccurate. Meanwhile, for point & shoot, the M9 certainly is a poor performer.
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Like I said. I did comparisons and I don't see where it is that bad. I don't know how much better a S6 camera is than a Note 4, but I doubt it is that great. But I guess it could be.
Sent from my HTC One M9 using Tapatalk

I think a fair few of us in this thread agree that the M9 's hardware is CAPABLE of making some good shots, comparable to other flagships on the market. However, to GET to that point, it requires Manual intervention (or RAW). This is ok for 80% of the time, but when you have a short time to take a shot, it certainly falls short of other options.
This thread isn't to argue the semantics, rather asking what everything thinks is the next step for our camera, whether anyone in the know can share whether HTC will continue working on making the AUTO + JPGs better, or whether the notion that they will work on the camera was just a tick box action, and now we've had a small update, it is up to the independent devs to improve.

Karl-Johan said:
Would love to see ANY update. When is it coming to europe and Sweden? Hate waiting....
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Sorry mate, no idea, but I do feel your pain.
If you're really eager, any one of the leading custom ROMs have the latest camera update? I'm personally running Leedroid at the moment, and I cant fault it. Stable, with great performance

Do You think that the camera in S9 will be minimum or much better than in S8?

Do You think that the camera in S9 will be minimum or much better than in S8?

Well I mean, the only details Samsung has officially released about the S9 itself is "The camera, reimagined," so uh yeah

Minimal change, with some new effect of a selfie or something like that.

Coolyou said:
Minimal change, with some new effect of a selfie or something like that.
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I wonder if camera wise S9 (single)= Note8(double)
cause S9+(double) > Note8 (double)

It already revealed that is has super slow motion (f/1.5, 26mm, 1/2.5", 1.4 µm, Dual Pixel PDAF)

Considering I always put a custom AOSP-based ROM on my phones, I've sort of lost hope in having a decent camera. Because of... reasons... you lose out on the amazing camera capabilities if you don't run a stock ROM. It's quite depressing knowing the camera is far more-capable than what I'm getting out of it.

sremick said:
Considering I always put a custom AOSP-based ROM on my phones, I've sort of lost hope in having a decent camera. Because of... reasons... you lose out on the amazing camera capabilities if you don't run a stock ROM. It's quite depressing knowing the camera is far more-capable than what I'm getting out of it.
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That really suxx. But wasn't it always like that in Samsung phones? And in others?

androidbadboy said:
That really suxx. But wasn't it always like that in Samsung phones? And in others?
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As a former Sony user, I can say it's the same on there. Something related to DRM-Protected drivers.

R!n said:
As a former Sony user, I can say it's the same on there. Something related to DRM-Protected drivers.
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But that happend since S8 or was always the problem in all Samsung phones?

androidbadboy said:
But that happend since S8 or was always the problem in all Samsung phones?
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I can't really say, I never owned a Galaxy since the S2. Was looking to see if the S9+ ends up being better than the Mate 10, or at least drop the price of the Note 8.

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I can't really say, I never owned a Galaxy since the S2. Was looking to see if the S9+ ends up being better than the Mate 10, or at least drop the price of the Note 8.
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So Mate 10 is better than S8/S8+ ?! In what may I ask? Seriously, no hard feelings and irony here.

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So Mate 10 is better than S8/S8+ ?! In what may I ask? Seriously, no hard feelings and irony here.
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Mainly just the camera. Performance-wise the Mate 10 lacks in numbers, but it still feels just as snappy.
The monochrome cameras are great, and the camera app's pro mode is really nice to take some great pictures with. I especially fell in love with the 30s exposure.

R!n said:
Mainly just the camera. Performance-wise the Mate 10 lacks in numbers, but it still feels just as snappy.
The monochrome cameras are great, and the camera app's pro mode is really nice to take some great pictures with. I especially fell in love with the 30s exposure.
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Dude! Please help me out here. Is the camera pics and recording better in Mate 10 than in S8/S8+ are U 100% suer?
Cuz if that's true I may buy that phone,

androidbadboy said:
Dude! Please help me out here. Is the camera pics and recording better in Mate 10 than in S8/S8+ are U 100% suer?
Cuz if that's true I may buy that phone,
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Photos yes, video recording not so much, not sure why.
Also be aware that the Mate 10 Pro does not have a 3.5mm jack or SD card slot, but 256GB internal memory instead.

R!n said:
Photos yes, video recording not so much, not sure why.
Also be aware that the Mate 10 Pro does not have a 3.5mm jack or SD card slot, but 256GB internal memory instead.
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How about Note8, are thie pics from Mate also better than Galaxy Note8?

Nope camera won't be good until they overcome the hardware limitation, 12 mega pixels are good, but when you see the pics on computer or zoom in then you see the blur and weakness of 12 mp camera but i know that in past 22 megapixels sonys have really bad image quality because it doesn't depend solely on increased mp, but for a real upgrade now they need to increase megapixels while still retaining same image quality, atleast 20 megapixel and still a large aperture size is the only thing that can push me to upgrade, other than that, front facing fingerprint scanner and atleast 3600+ mah battery is a must, but its still nice that they added stereo speakers, i would like to see fm radio and infrared back too. Btw both exynos 9810 and snapdragon 845 are still far behind from apple's A12 bionic chip, both in terms of processor and gpu performance. So a hard choice which to upgrade atm.
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shah22 said:
Nope camera won't be good until they overcome the hardware limitation, 12 mega pixels are good, but when you see the pics on computer or zoom in then you see the blur and weakness of 12 mp camera but i know that in past 22 megapixels sonys have really bad image quality because it doesn't depend solely on increased mp, but for a real upgrade now they need to increase megapixels while still retaining same image quality, atleast 20 megapixel and still a large aperture size is the only thing that can push me to upgrade, other than that, front facing fingerprint scanner and atleast 3600+ mah battery is a must, but its still nice that they added stereo speakers, i would like to see fm radio and infrared back too. Btw both exynos 9810 and snapdragon 845 are still far behind from apple's A12 bionic chip, both in terms of processor and gpu performance. So a hard choice which to upgrade atm.
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So You wouldnt upgrade to Mate 10 PRo, S9/s9+ and Apple X from S7 Edge?
How about if you have had S6EPlus ? would You upgrade then? If yes to which phone?

Some general points.
Megapixels has nothing to do with it really. It's the size of the sensor. I do have it on good authority though that at least one of the well known brands is working on a halo product with a 1" sensor. But expect it to cost the earth, if it sees the light of day, and to be much thicker than today's flagships.
Probably the P20 with its triple camera sensor (likely interpolated into single auto HDR images) and software collaboration with Leica is likely to be the best bet for photography this year. But expect to get *at best* dual camera support on custom ROMs (if OpenCamera / LineageCamera / GoogleCamera begin supporting dual configs).
S9 and S9+ will probably show quite a bit of improvement in low light, and autofocus.
I really wish Samsung would allow Samsung Camera to run on their phones that run AOSP / custom ROMs. I can see why Sony, and to some extent Huawei won't, as smaller players with niches. But Samsung are the market leader and could still attach function to hardware IDs, rather than allowing it to work on competitors' phones.
If Nokia / HMD keep improving sales, I'm pretty sure you'll see Pureview, or something similar resurrected. Protos / designs are certainly being looked at, but likely depend on them continuing to build momentum. If they have a good 2018, expect to see something from them in 2019 with 4-6+ rear camera sensors ... bit like a mini L16. But, again, expect them to lock the software to their stock ROM.

mudnightoil said:
Some general points.
Megapixels has nothing to do with it really. It's the size of the sensor. I do have it on good authority though that at least one of the well known brands is working on a halo product with a 1" sensor. But expect it to cost the earth, if it sees the light of day, and to be much thicker than today's flagships.
Probably the P20 with its triple camera sensor (likely interpolated into single auto HDR images) and software collaboration with Leica is likely to be the best bet for photography this year. But expect to get *at best* dual camera support on custom ROMs (if OpenCamera / LineageCamera / GoogleCamera begin supporting dual configs).
S9 and S9+ will probably show quite a bit of improvement in low light, and autofocus.
I really wish Samsung would allow Samsung Camera to run on their phones that run AOSP / custom ROMs. I can see why Sony, and to some extent Huawei won't, as smaller players with niches. But Samsung are the market leader and could still attach function to hardware IDs, rather than allowing it to work on competitors' phones.
If Nokia / HMD keep improving sales, I'm pretty sure you'll see Pureview, or something similar resurrected. Protos / designs are certainly being looked at, but likely depend on them continuing to build momentum. If they have a good 2018, expect to see something from them in 2019 with 4-6+ rear camera sensors ... bit like a mini L16. But, again, expect them to lock the software to their stock ROM.
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Thanks and wow for that massive knowledge. I wonder what P20 will bring to the table with their 5 cams. 27th March is the premiere. How much will it cost in Your opinion. EUR or USD please if possible and add with or without tax.

I'm almost exclusively interested in the video camera capabilities of the S9+. I can manage with a mediocre photo camera but video needs to be class-leading in smartphones.
Ability to shoot UHD video in h.265 compression + much better low light performance than Note 4 = I'd be very happy.
Sadly LG put an undersized sensor in their V30 (not to mention the sucky POLED display) - otherwise I might grab a V30 right now for a good price. I wonder what LG has in store for the V40, given their focus on video shooting prowess.

Pixel 2 XL or Samsung S8+? Help me decide.

Hello guys hope you are doing well. Guys I need your help. I'm looking for phone, just for my secondary to be honest. But I'm in a difficult situation to decide between pixel 2 xl or s8+. Both are in the same price range in used markets in my country. But pixel has been my dream phone since it was released. My main consideration is the camera and display. Of course, the pixel camera is the winner, but how about the display?
How it compares to Samsung oled? Any major issues with pixel 2 display? I read that it has something called blueish color, is that true?
Is there any other problem that maybe I need to pay attention to?
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The display seems to have two issues. The first and best known is blue shift, where turning the display at extreme angles to sight causes the screen color to take on a distinct blue hue. This particular concern, despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about it, is I feel overblown; all OLED screens have blue shift to a degree. The second concern is black crush, where dark gray elements of a picture are rendered as black. I personally haven't noticed this particular issue, but I'm sure it's there. I'm also sure I'm not going to worry about it.
If the screen is more important to you than the camera, get the S8 as it has the superior screen. Otherwise get the P2XL.

Everything above said is correct! However i have never looked at my display from an angle so the blue tint issue is not there for me.
Black crush and smearing is the only thing i feel an issue but thats only at very low brightness.
If you ask me go for 2xl as it is fast,fluid, has a great camera and guaranteed Android 11 update. You will love the pixel experience.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
The display seems to have two issues. The first and best known is blue shift, where turning the display at extreme angles to sight causes the screen color to take on a distinct blue hue. This particular concern, despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about it, is I feel overblown; all OLED screens have blue shift to a degree. The second concern is black crush, where dark gray elements of a picture are rendered as black. I personally haven't noticed this particular issue, but I'm sure it's there. I'm also sure I'm not going to worry about it.
If the screen is more important to you than the camera, get the S8 as it has the superior screen. Otherwise get the P2XL.
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Everything above said is correct! However i have never looked at my display from an angle so the blue tint issue is not there for me.
Black crush and smearing is the only thing i feel an issue but thats only at very low brightness.
If you ask me go for 2xl as it is fast,fluid, has a great camera and guaranteed Android 11 update. You will love the pixel experience.
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Thanks for the answer. How old your phone is? And how about screen burn in? Is it something I have to worry about because the nature of OLED displays? I personally never have OLED phone so I don't know what to expect for long term usage.

muchlas46 said:
Thanks for the answer. How old your phone is? And how about screen burn in? Is it something I have to worry about because the nature of OLED displays? I personally never have OLED phone so I don't know what to expect for long term usage.
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More than a year old now. No even burn ins.
The new nav gesture are barely visible so there is nothing to worry about.

muchlas46 said:
Thanks for the answer. How old your phone is? And how about screen burn in? Is it something I have to worry about because the nature of OLED displays? I personally never have OLED phone so I don't know what to expect for long term usage.
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I just passed the 2-year mark and no burn in issues. However, I baby my devices, and burn in is a bit setting dependent. Set brightness to 100% and burn in will develop over the space of a year, as it did on my Nexus 6 when my roommate used it. I had to use an AMOLED screen fix utility to lessen the intensity of the burn in, but even today the navigation buttons of the N6 are noticeable as dark spots on a white background.
TL;DR: After two years, no issues, but burn in is something to keep an eye on.

muchlas46 said:
Hello guys hope you are doing well. Guys I need your help. I'm looking for phone, just for my secondary to be honest. But I'm in a difficult situation to decide between pixel 2 xl or s8+. Both are in the same price range in used markets in my country. But pixel has been my dream phone since it was released. My main consideration is the camera and display. Of course, the pixel camera is the winner, but how about the display?
How it compares to Samsung oled? Any major issues with pixel 2 display? I read that it has something called blueish color, is that true?
Is there any other problem that maybe I need to pay attention to?
Thanks...
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Having owned both I can easily say this is the better phone. If consistent performance is a deal breaker for you, this phone will make you much happier. The camera also blows the s8 out of the water. The display on mine is actually really good. It's kind of a lotto unfortunately. The earlier manufactured ones were much worse however so if you can check that at well might be beneficial for you.

I've owned S7 edge for one year and then I jumped to Pixel 2 XL, which I have been using for 2 years. After updating it to Android 10 it feels like I have a new phone in my hands, plenty of new things combined with cstark's camera mod we get Astrophotography mode, which is superb.
Screen has never been a major issue for me, anyway choosing saturated colors on pixel settings is mandatory for me.
With pixel 2 xl, you get a far better camera and dazzling fast smartphone. This is definitely the choice for me.
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If you ask me go for 2xl as it is fast,fluid, has a great camera and guaranteed Android 11 update. You will love the pixel experience.
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This is the only point I'm not sure. AFAIK google guarantees only 2 major OS updates and 3 years of security updates. Anyway I do hope we get android 11.

quera said:
I've owned S7 edge for one year and then I jumped to Pixel 2 XL, which I have been using for 2 years. After updating it to Android 10 it feels like I have a new phone in my hands, plenty of new things combined with cstark's camera mod we get Astrophotography mode, which is superb.
Screen has never been a major issue for me, anyway choosing saturated colors on pixel settings is mandatory for me.
With pixel 2 xl, you get a far better camera and dazzling fast smartphone. This is definitely the choice for me.
This is the only point I'm not sure. AFAIK google guarantees only 2 major OS updates and 3 years of security updates. Anyway I do hope we get android 11.
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No we are sure to get Android 11.

Thanks for all the information, it's really helpful. I think now I can finally make a decision.

quera said:
I've owned S7 edge for one year and then I jumped to Pixel 2 XL, which I have been using for 2 years. After updating it to Android 10 it feels like I have a new phone in my hands, plenty of new things combined with cstark's camera mod we get Astrophotography mode, which is superb.
Screen has never been a major issue for me, anyway choosing saturated colors on pixel settings is mandatory for me.
With pixel 2 xl, you get a far better camera and dazzling fast smartphone. This is definitely the choice for me.
This is the only point I'm not sure. AFAIK google guarantees only 2 major OS updates and 3 years of security updates. Anyway I do hope we get android 11.
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Can you please give me the camera mod??

emirul said:
Can you please give me the camera mod??
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I'm using this one https://www.cyanogenmods.org/downloads/cstark27-google-camera-7-2-014-pxv4-1/

emirul said:
Can you please give me the camera mod??
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Sure, you'll always find the lastest version here:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-cstark27/
Latest one is this: PXv4.1.1_GoogleCamera_7.2.014.apk (cstark27, 2019-11-30)

stevoknevo said:
I'm using this one https://www.cyanogenmods.org/downloads/cstark27-google-camera-7-2-014-pxv4-1/
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Thank you!
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quera said:
Sure, you'll always find the lastest version here:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-cstark27/
Latest one is this: PXv4.1.1_GoogleCamera_7.2.014.apk (cstark27, 2019-11-30)
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Thanks!

muchlas46 said:
Thanks for all the information, it's really helpful. I think now I can finally make a decision.
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Mine is an early October 2017, 1st release 2 XLs and like others have said, I've taken care of it and it has served me extremely well... Well enough in fact that I skipped the 3 XL and the 4 XL and will wait for the 5 XL (or whatever is next in the Pixel lineup).
My battery is still great, speakers still loud and crisp, buttons still snappy, and if I wasn't missing the new development that comes with a new device, I'd probably run the 2 XL until it died.
You. Won't. Be. Disappointed.
Be sure to give us a full report in this thread, of your decision and experience with whichever device you choose!

Question First oneplus device

Hi all I’ve just ordered the oneplus 9 pro as it’s my first oneplus device can I ask a few questions
is the cameras as bad as some are making out I had the note 20 ultra and just got the iPhone 12 Pro Max (going back hate iOS lol) are the op9 cameras at least on par with these
is the display any good I mean does the 1 billion colours ect make a difference and does it get bright for hdr playback
are the speakers decent as well
last question it’s been years since rooting as I’ve mainly had Samsung devices and didn’t like tripping Knox ect, is they any problems with woofing and flashing custom roms like tripping Knox or loosing drm keys anything like that (if I flash back to stock will it be as if it was never rooted)
thanks

You run the risk of losing drm keys when unlocking bootloader, but relocking bootloader fixes it most of the time. There's no Knox, so no need to worry.
Cam is decent enough, I know there's been a lot of letdowns with Hasselblad, but if you really need good cam go get a DSLR.
Speakers are fine enough for me, I'm no audiophile, but you can use Viper4android to tune it or add real Dolby Audio with a Magisk module.
Display is good, at least coming from someone with an S10 5G lol.
Rooting is easily done as long as you don't get a TMO phone. If you still get a Tmobile phone, you must get a sim unlock before a bootloader one.

brockyneo said:
Hi all I’ve just ordered the oneplus 9 pro as it’s my first oneplus device can I ask a few questions
is the cameras as bad as some are making out I had the note 20 ultra and just got the iPhone 12 Pro Max (going back hate iOS lol) are the op9 cameras at least on par with these
is the display any good I mean does the 1 billion colours ect make a difference and does it get bright for hdr playback
are the speakers decent as well
last question it’s been years since rooting as I’ve mainly had Samsung devices and didn’t like tripping Knox ect, is they any problems with woofing and flashing custom roms like tripping Knox or loosing drm keys anything like that (if I flash back to stock will it be as if it was never rooted)
thanks
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Camera is on par with the big boys, specially after the updates the main difference is the hit or miss factor is a little higher to to put it in simple terms if the iPhone takes 10 images all will be usable and 8 will be amazing the Oneplus will be 9 useable and 7 amazing. but at night its just on another league.
The display is as good as it gets on a phone.
Speakers are decent and very very usable.
Rooting and bootloader unlocking is easy, just back up your stuff and always remember the phone might brick at any moment so having a backup for everything is really important.
DRM keys are restored after a bootloader lock.

razercortex said:
You run the risk of losing drm keys when unlocking bootloader, but relocking bootloader fixes it most of the time. There's no Knox, so no need to worry.
Cam is decent enough, I know there's been a lot of letdowns with Hasselblad, but if you really need good cam go get a DSLR.
Speakers are fine enough for me, I'm no audiophile, but you can use Viper4android to tune it or add real Dolby Audio with a Magisk module.
Display is good, at least coming from someone with an S10 5G lol.
Rooting is easily done as long as you don't get a TMO phone. If you still get a Tmobile phone, you must get a sim unlock before a bootloader
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awsan said:
Camera is on par with the big boys, specially after the updates the main difference is the hit or miss factor is a little higher to to put it in simple terms if the iPhone takes 10 images all will be usable and 8 will be amazing the Oneplus will be 9 useable and 7 amazing. but at night its just on another league.
The display is as good as it gets on a phone.
Speakers are decent and very very usable.
Rooting and bootloader unlocking is easy, just back up your stuff and always remember the phone might brick at any moment so having a backup for everything is really important.
DRM keys are restored after a bootloader lock.
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Thanks for the reply when you say at night it’s a different league do you mean the one plus is good in the night?
Thanks

brockyneo said:
Thanks for the reply when you say at night it’s a different league do you mean the one plus is good in the night?
Thanks
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Yes, the Oneplus is better.

This should be your main phone, IF
You value custom roms and unlocked BL
You like a 120hz LTPO panel
Shelling out 900-1000 dollars (in most cases) is OK with you

Thanks for the reply’s I mainly want it to be a decent camera and a top not screen with regular updates and fixes and decent sound quality
will all the updates would you say it’s better then the iPhone 12 Pro Max camera?
is it true that the sensor in the op9 is the newest Sony sensor and it’s quite a bit bigger then the iPhone

Also does anyone notice any different between the 1 billion colours vs 16m

brockyneo said:
Thanks for the reply’s I mainly want it to be a decent camera and a top not screen with regular updates and fixes and decent sound quality
will all the updates would you say it’s better then the iPhone 12 Pro Max camera?
is it true that the sensor in the op9 is the newest Sony sensor and it’s quite a bit bigger then the iPhone
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Its a toss up between the both in camera quality, the problem with reviews is that they have limited time with limited sceneries.
I have been using the 12 pro max and the OP9p since release, the 12 has a weird processing that has been adapted as the phone industry standard for some reason although its not the closest to real life
(Its weird how reviewers kept pushing the narrative that close to reality is best but suddenly its quite the opposite and what looks fun is best)
the portraits look warm and full of life on the 12 compared to the 9 (Weirdly enough the 8 pro had a very close portrait processing to the 12 pro max)
Skin tone is more natural on the 9 after the updates specially with darker skin subjects.
HDR is more aggressive on the 9 most of the time but it doesn't have that over processed quality to it.
A lot of people will be disappointed the second they start using the camera because of how different it looks to the iPhone but when you compare them side to side you instantly see that they are 99% identical in 90% of the scenarios (With the 9 having the higher res)
Video is still an iPhone thing although its really good on the 9
And yes it has the newest two sensors from Sony imx766 and imx789
brockyneo said:
Also does anyone notice any different between the 1 billion colours vs 16m
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its a marketing gimmick, its really an amazing panel and you will love watching hdr stuff on it.

brockyneo said:
Thanks for the reply’s I mainly want it to be a decent camera and a top not screen with regular updates and fixes and decent sound quality
will all the updates would you say it’s better then the iPhone 12 Pro Max camera?
is it true that the sensor in the op9 is the newest Sony sensor and it’s quite a bit bigger then the iPhone
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Post your pics let's see the camera in action
Let's see those pics in real life situations. Here's mine with the latest software release
forum.xda-developers.com

awsan said:
Its a toss up between the both in camera quality, the problem with reviews is that they have limited time with limited sceneries.
I have been using the 12 pro max and the OP9p since release, the 12 has a weird processing that has been adapted as the phone industry standard for some reason although its not the closest to real life
(Its weird how reviewers kept pushing the narrative that close to reality is best but suddenly its quite the opposite and what looks fun is best)
the portraits look warm and full of life on the 12 compared to the 9 (Weirdly enough the 8 pro had a very close portrait processing to the 12 pro max)
Skin tone is more natural on the 9 after the updates specially with darker skin subjects.
HDR is more aggressive on the 9 most of the time but it doesn't have that over processed quality to it.
A lot of people will be disappointed the second they start using the camera because of how different it looks to the iPhone but when you compare them side to side you instantly see that they are 99% identical in 90% of the scenarios (With the 9 having the higher res)
Video is still an iPhone thing although its really good on the 9
And yes it has the newest two sensors from Sony imx766 and imx789
its a marketing gimmick, its really an amazing panel and you will love watching hdr stuff on it.
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Thanks for the reply’s I currently have the iPhone 12 Pro Max as well so out of the two would you rather keep the op9?
also I’ve heard around the forums that the op9 struggles in dark areas on hdr content is this true or can the display settings be tweaked with

brockyneo said:
Thanks for the reply’s I currently have the iPhone 12 Pro Max as well so out of the two would you rather keep the op9?
also I’ve heard around the forums that the op9 struggles in dark areas on hdr content is this true or can the display settings be tweaked with
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And does the whole 1 billion colour gimmick run all the time or just in supported apps ect cause if so I’m assuming there isn’t much to take advantage of it

Also I’ve downloaded YouTube vanced but it seems to have a totally different colour tone to the videos ect compared to the official YouTube app
seems as if it’s not using and of the display tech modes from one plus

brockyneo said:
Also I’ve downloaded YouTube vanced but it seems to have a totally different colour tone to the videos ect compared to the official YouTube app
seems as if it’s not using and of the display tech modes from one plus
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There are max brightness etc settings in YouTube vanced. Look around in there

Camera? If you work for Samsung, iphose, yes..., is bad.. ohh, the worse..
The display is the best on the market. I don't like the curved edges, but that is another story..
Oxygen is one of the best, clean Android. Samsung is champion of bloatware!
OnePlus phones are known for easy to root.

What would you guys say has the best display out of the oneplus 9 pro and the s21 ultra?

Hi all I'm looking at maybe keeping this device if its better then the s21 ultra (exynos)
Just a question I'm looking at rooting and flashing a custom rom do I need to unlock the bootloader if I'm flashing a oos built rom and custom kernel?
Also is there work arounds for banking apps,Netflix etc
And do we loose any features at all that cannot be reverted like knox in samsung devices

I never buy Samsung with exynos !!!
You can NOT root without unlocking the bootloader.
No. OnePlus is not Samsung Creap! You can revert to factory settings.

razercortex said:
You run the risk of losing drm keys when unlocking bootloader, but relocking bootloader fixes it most of the time. There's no Knox, so no need to worry.
Cam is decent enough, I know there's been a lot of letdowns with Hasselblad, but if you really need good cam go get a DSLR.
Speakers are fine enough for me, I'm no audiophile, but you can use Viper4android to tune it or add real Dolby Audio with a Magisk module.
Display is good, at least coming from someone with an S10 5G lol.
Rooting is easily done as long as you don't get a TMO phone. If you still get a Tmobile phone, you must get a sim unlock before a bootloader one.
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you were able to get viper running on it? ive been trying for weeks wiht no luck gets stuck on a loop of installing drivers.

I haven't tried, but it should work fine. If you have a problem running it, let me know.