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http://www.anandtech.com/show/5310/samsung-galaxy-nexus-ice-cream-sandwich-review
Probably the most thorough and detailed review of ICS and Galaxy Nexus. For those of you familiar with Anandtech you'll know what to expect.
"The Galaxy Nexus is so important again because it's the only time Google gets to dictate everything - the hardware, the software, and update timing. There's also the element of freedom, with unlockable hardware out of the box. I find myself wishing that Google had begun its adventure sticking it to the carriers with pentaband WCDMA support like this phone finally has, as that would've been much more successful than the practice of releasing a few different Nexus variants with different bands.
As far as Ice Cream Sandwich is concerned, it really is Android perfected. Everything is smoother, faster and nearly all of our issues with the OS have been addressed. ICS brings Android into 2012 and gives Google a great platform to begin to introduce new features going forward. Android is now very close to UI performance parity with iOS, which eliminates a major tradeoff you had to make in the past. If you were hoping for ICS to be iOS with a Google logo on it, you'll be sorely disappointed. However if you're a fan of Android and just wished it were smoother and more polished, Ice Cream Sandwich is what you've been waiting for."
As you would expect from Anand a completely thorough review! Good stuff.
What I don't get is why AnandTech and Chipworks list different type camera sensors in this device (main sensor). While using sensors from different manufacturers is common, there's a significant difference: AnandTech says this is NOT back-illuminated sensor while Chipworks says the opposite (S5K4E1G vs. S5K4E5YA):
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5310/samsung-galaxy-nexus-ice-cream-sandwich-review/10
http://www.chipworks.com/en/technic.../12/inside-the-samsung-galaxy-nexus-gt-i9250/
With so many people on this forum (apparently mostly VZW users) whining about battery life, here is something very notable from this thorough review:
1) Battery life on the GSM version is in fact a HELLUVA lot better than the LTE version, and is in fact even better than CDMA when in 3g-only mode.
2) However battery life on the LTE Nexus is *better* than every other LTE device in its category.
The story of battery life on the Galaxy Nexus unsurprisingly depends on which variant you're talking about. For a phone with a 4.65" display, I'd say I'm impressed with the battery life on both devices - remember that the area that needs to get lit up goes as r^2 - increasing that and not killing the battery is a big feat. In addition, I'd wager that using the OpenGL ES renderpath (and accelerated browser in 4.0) definitely helped both Galaxy Nexus devices post impressive scores.
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6.2 hours wifi web browsing. How the hell did they manage that? I get 2-3 hours MAX using inverted colors and the lowest screen brightness! Static pages too, no movies, etc...
I'd love to see a time lapse of this test!
6.2 hours wifi web browsing. How the hell did they manage that?
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Amen to that. I have managed about 3 hours of screentime at 40% brightness on stock and I immediately get the 15% battery low warning.
It is a great review though. I would say it might be too thorough. I got lost during some of the wireless and audio testing...
I had no idea that they stripped the Verizon-version clean of radios. Two bands? That thing is untraveable.
I guess US carriers like Verizon are serious about their lock-ins.
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6.2 hours wifi web browsing. How the hell did they manage that? I get 2-3 hours MAX using inverted colors and the lowest screen brightness! Static pages too, no movies, etc...
I'd love to see a time lapse of this test!
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Most probably that only test the web browsing without anything else enabled.
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I didn't realize the Galaxy Nexus' OMAP 4460 has more memory throughput than the Tegra 3. Wow..that says a lot about Nvidia IMO..
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Most probably that only test the web browsing without anything else enabled.
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I've emailed the Anandtech editor to see if they can provide details of their battery testing parameters. If I get a reply, I'll post it here.
However, I highly doubt that disabling stuff would increase the SCREEN TIME by more than double what we get in real world use.
Good review. But one thing that bothers me about is their apparent hate for the gpu...
Also they tested 4.0.1 which is kind of unfinished I would say.
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Our battery life testing consists of a page loading suite which loads through a few dozen pages endlessly on both WiFi and cellular data until the phone dies, with the display set at 200 nits.
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They claim this is how they run the web browsing test which is fine... but the results don't support the test conditions. Over 5 hours of web browsing @ 200 nits? They claimed earlier that 200 nits is the BRIGHTEST the screen will go. GSMArena recorded just over 3 hours of web browsing at less than maximum brightness - how could Anandtech get so much more browsing time at max brightness?
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They claim this is how they run the web browsing test which is fine... but the results don't support the test conditions. Over 5 hours of web browsing @ 200 nits? They claimed earlier that 200 nits is the BRIGHTEST the screen will go. GSMArena recorded just over 3 hours of web browsing at less than maximum brightness - how could Anandtech get so much more browsing time at max brightness?
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Yes, something isnt right. Is it a coincidence that Samsung also gives this device 6 hours battery life (continuous use)? It puts into question the other results, like talk time or wifi hotspot...
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With so many people on this forum (apparently mostly VZW users) whining about battery life, here is something very notable from this thorough review:
1) Battery life on the GSM version is in fact a HELLUVA lot better than the LTE version, and is in fact even better than CDMA when in 3g-only mode.
2) However battery life on the LTE Nexus is *better* than every other LTE device in its category.
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Just wanted to concur with that point. UK GNex user here and my batteyr life isn't too bad. Can get through a day when data is constantly used, however I have my WiFi toggle on constantly to pickup any WiFi networks I can as I travel for work which normally means I can get to around 11pm at night after taking it off charge at 7am still with 50% battery. Not too bad I don't think.
good to see they confirmed the 1080p @ 24fps @ 10mbps profile as being lower than what the hardware is capable of.
it's true that [email protected] looks smoother and coupled with Holmes6's mod (check signature) bumps bitrate at 15mbps....looks darn good and smooth.
maybe an update will bump OOB recording bitrates eventually
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6.2 hours wifi web browsing. How the hell did they manage that? I get 2-3 hours MAX using inverted colors and the lowest screen brightness! Static pages too, no movies, etc...
I'd love to see a time lapse of this test!
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i think i can believe it. they use a script that just reloads about 12 webpages over and over, every 1 minute i think it loads a new page. i can see getting 6 hours screen time with that even though i know many only get 3-4 hours.
when i do static things like read ebooks with black, i can get like 6-7 hours of screen time.
Another important factor is that they do their tests with optimal reception. A smartphone fighting with bad reception (which happens all the time with real-world mobile usage) uses a lot more battery.
dario3040 said:
Good review. But one thing that bothers me about is their apparent hate for the gpu...
Also they tested 4.0.1 which is kind of unfinished I would say.
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Are you sure he tested on 4.0.1? Because he mentions taking multiple pictures for face unlock and that wasn't a feature in 4.0.1..
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Good review. But one thing that bothers me about is their apparent hate for the gpu...
Also they tested 4.0.1 which is kind of unfinished I would say.
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They tested 4.0.2
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5310/samsung-galaxy-nexus-ice-cream-sandwich-review/5
Notice the User Agent table data..
EDIT: Also in the camera section "The capture preview also fully implements tap to focus and expose, and tracks faces around if in the scene. I noted a small change between 4.0.1 (no doubt the result of what was noted in some other reviews) - pressing and holding the capture button no longer toggles an AF/AE run, instead still image capture runs continuous auto focus just like video. "
YOU DIDN'T READ THE REVIEW, ADMIT IT.
Holy crap now thats what I call a review. Lots of good stuff to know. One thing got me wondering though. They keep mentioning the differences between phones running on a gsm network and a cdma network, but they never mention what network the iPhones are running in the comparison charts.
I dont start Polls every but I think that this one is important because why would HTC not release new official firmwares in the near and distant future that improves battery life?
I really don't know if this is a joke or if its fact, see thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1610951
Another link: http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...pdate-coming-to-improve-one-x-battery-1076825
I really will be surpised if people dont react to this, how would you react? Would you not at the very least send them a long pissed of email?
For some this is perhaps nothing, but I think battery life is the most important thing and is it not obvious why?
(THIS POLL WAS NOT MEANT TO MAKE PEOPLE EAT THEIR OWN FINGERS, IT WAS MEANT TO SIMPLY PUT PEOPLE'S OPINIONS TOGETHER AND MAYBE BE NOTICED BY HTC, WHO KNOWS?)
I think you're getting the wrong idea from the HTC statement. It isn't that they're not going to focus on battery life but more that the current One X battery life is how it should be. There isn't a quick fix available by moving the now known to be useless nVidia app into the correct directory. As the article states, they've already done some fixes to the screen autobrightness which should help with battery life and the flickering.
This is just a PR exercise for them to minimise the outrage and misunderstanding about that specific nVidia app. They're still a manufacturer who makes battery powered devices i.e. phones so they're still going to be concerned about battery life.
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I think you're getting the wrong idea from the HTC statement. It isn't that they're not going to focus on battery life but more that the current One X battery life is how it should be. There isn't a quick fix available by moving the now known to be useless nVidia app into the correct directory.
This is just a PR exercise for them to minimise the outrage and misunderstanding about that specific nVidia app.
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I have a hard time accepting that this is what the battery life SHOULD be, because the 1X houses the Tegra 3 which is suppose to be the big game changer and reaaaaaally make the battery last. I am fine with my 1X but I cant believe that this is the way the battery life will be forever. I mean look at my Samsung Galaxy S2 it can go 3 DAYS strong before it dies (Amoled bla bla) this is where Tegra 3 comes in and the 1800mah battery.
Cheers.
Nice poll options, could only have been better if you had added (pick this one) and (don't pick this one)...
Useless...
HTC-Gunge said:
Nice poll options, could only have been better if you had added (pick this one) and (don't pick this one)...
Useless...
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Why not give me some pointers instead of just saying some **** and then useless?
I wrote that I dont normally start polls.
I just wrote whatever but options are pretty clear aren't they?
Besides if you cant contribute to the issue at hand then you shouldn't write anything you are just flaming.
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I have a hard time accepting that this is what the battery life SHOULD be, because the 1X houses the Tegra 3 which is suppose to be the big game changer and reaaaaaally make the battery last. I am fine with my 1X but I cant believe that this is the way the battery life will be forever. I mean look at my Samsung Galaxy S2 it can go 3 DAYS strong before it dies (Amoled bla bla) this is where Tegra 3 comes in and the 1800mah battery.
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The Tegra CPU does have that extra low speed low power core but the problem with the One X battery is when you're actually actively using it. During those times, the CPU will most likely have the other 4 cores running and the power hungry LCD + backlight will also be on. If I'm not really using the One X then the battery is great but thats because it is mostly asleep running on that low power core. If I'm playing a game then the battery drains alarmingly quickly.
Before you claim that I'm just following HTC blindly, I would like to state that I would appreciate better battery life as the One X isn't amazing in that regard. I just don't think that HTC are going to completely ignore battery life in their firmware as you originally stated. They'll do what they can but there isn't a 20% increase hiding in there just by moving that specific nVidia app. There might be gains in there from altering the voltages or frequency scaling.
One thing which HTC have stated and does directly affect the One X along with its battery life is that they did studies where consumers preferred a thin phone. This puts massive restrictions on what battery you can use and whether it is removeable. I'm not sure the value of the studies they did since everybody is going to say that they want a thin phone.
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The Tegra CPU does have that extra low speed low power core but the problem with the One X battery is when you're actually actively using it. During those times, the CPU will most likely have the other 4 cores running and the power hungry LCD + backlight will also be on. If I'm not really using the One X then the battery is great but thats because it is mostly asleep running on that low power core. If I'm playing a game then the battery drains alarmingly quickly.
Before you claim that I'm just following HTC blindly, I would like to state that I would appreciate better battery life as the One X isn't amazing in that regard. I just don't think that HTC are going to completely ignore battery life in their firmware as you originally stated. They'll do what they can but there isn't a 20% increase hiding in there just by moving that specific nVidia app. There might be gains in there from altering the voltages or frequency scaling.
One thing which HTC have stated and does directly affect the One X along with its battery life is that they did studies where consumers preferred a thin phone. This puts massive restrictions on what battery you can use and whether it is removeable. I'm not sure the value of the studies they did since everybody is going to say that they want a thin phone.
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See this is not what im saying that some of us follow HTC blindly, what I meant is exactly what I wrote, 'if you knew this to be as a fact' how would you react?
Cheers.
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See this is not what im saying that some of us follow HTC blindly, what I meant is exactly what I wrote, 'if you knew this to be as a fact' how would you react?
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Ahh. Sorry! Misunderstood you there. If HTC did say that they're not going to focus on battery life then I'd just switch to a custom ROM and possibly ponder never buying another HTC phone again.
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Ahh. Sorry! Misunderstood you there. If HTC did say that they're not going to focus on battery life then I'd just switch to a custom ROM and possibly ponder never buying another HTC phone again.
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The mistake is mine, like I stated I never start polls, and it not meant to be hostile I mean what would the point be in that? Attacking ourselves? hehe.
I just believe that the battery could improve ALOT if given proper attention, another thing is the camera, I dont understand why the pictures are never larger than 3 MB?
Maybe I should write it in the OP that this is not a hate Poll, its more a customer satisfaction Poll.
I mean the clients are the most important in the end.
HTC did a good job on the phone physically but I think most people can agree that they were surprised by the power consumption in the units.
The Asus Prime also houses the Tegra 3, and it has 3 power control options, maybe HTC should implement such a feature.
Cheers!
When DHD came out, the battery life wasn't the best, cos of its monstrous screen , anyway, customs roms improved the battery life a lot and I think they will improve one x:s battery life as well, but it would be a bad move from HTC to officially announce that they are not doing anything about their flagship phone's battery life
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When DHD came out, the battery life wasn't the best, cos of its monstrous screen , anyway, customs roms improved the battery life a lot and I think they will improve one x:s battery life as well, but it would be a bad move from HTC to officially announce that they are not doing anything about their flagship phone's battery life
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Thank you for your positive input!
Cheers!
Where's the "Do nothing because the battery life is fine for me"? I would vote for the top one but unfortunately I don't like to be insulted. This is going to yield VERY inaccurate results.
What a ridiculous poll.
Meltus said:
Where's the "Do nothing because the battery life is fine for me"? I would vote for the top one but unfortunately I don't like to be insulted. This is going to yield VERY inaccurate results.
What a ridiculous poll.
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Ridicule it as much as you want it is not a Poll for your 'my battery is fine'.
I also feel that my battery is FINE but it is fine RIGHT NOW. And if I would know that it will not improve then I would get very upset.
Im sure the SGII has a bumpy ride before getting a nice battery life based on software improvements.
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Ridicule it as much as you want it is not a Poll for your 'my battery is fine'.
I also feel that my battery is FINE but it is fine RIGHT NOW. And if I would know that it will not improve then I would get very upset.
Im sure the SGII has a bumpy ride before getting a nice battery life based on software improvements.
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No, it's not, it's a poll for "If HTC no longer focuses on battery life in their official roms, how would you react?".
How would I react? I honestly couldn't care less, but the option for that is stupid and insulting. You're essentially implying that anyone who doesn't care that HTC is no longer focusing on battery life is a "sheep" and cannot think for themselves.
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No, it's not, it's a poll for "If HTC no longer focuses on battery life in their official roms, how would you react?".
How would I react? I honestly couldn't care less, but the option for that is stupid and insulting. You're essentially implying that anyone who doesn't care that HTC is no longer focusing on battery life is a "sheep" and cannot think for themselves.
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I will repeat it again and again if I have to, look since the sheep thing upsets people then I would change it to 'indifferent' because thats what it is implying and if you dont want to answer then dont, its more to see what people think about the whole battery issue not YOUR personal self-insulting issues or whatever you have going on.
I also wrote in the beginning that I never start Poll and yes I am abit of a crude person but thats just me.
I also added this : (THIS POLL WAS NOT MEANT TO MAKE PEOPLE EAT THEIR OWN FINGERS, IT WAS MEANT TO SIMPLY PUT PEOPLE'S OPINIONS TOGETHER AND MAYBE BE NOTICED BY HTC, WHO KNOWS?)
And if I may say I really cant believe that you couldnt care less if the updates didnt improve the battery, I think you belong in the less than 99.9% group who do not want the updates to include battery enhancements or performance, and again about your sheep-complex its something you have to sort out im sorry im no psychiatrist.
Cheers!!!
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Where's the "Do nothing because the battery life is fine for me"? I would vote for the top one but unfortunately I don't like to be insulted. This is going to yield VERY inaccurate results.
What a ridiculous poll.
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Why would it yield innacurate results? Im sorry but I have to ask.
Because of the sheep things? I think strong minded people dont care about stuff like that.
And again I think 99.9% of the One X owners would like to see updates that improves battery life asides from other stuff.
You're one wierd little one...
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I will repeat it again and again if I have to, look since the sheep thing upsets people then I would change it to 'indifferent' because thats what it is implying and if you dont want to answer then dont, its more to see what people think about the whole battery issue not YOUR personal self-insulting issues or whatever you have going on.
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You didn't read my last post at all did you?
'Sheep' doesn't upset me. It's not even the fact you typed those 4 letters that makes me think this poll is stupid, it's the fact that by using the options you have done (including an insulting term in the counter option to what you believe) you're pretty much 'forcing' people to agree with you. You're not going to get accurate results with this poll (y'know, completely defeating the whole point of it).
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I also added this : (THIS POLL WAS NOT MEANT TO MAKE PEOPLE EAT THEIR OWN FINGERS, IT WAS MEANT TO SIMPLY PUT PEOPLE'S OPINIONS TOGETHER AND MAYBE BE NOTICED BY HTC, WHO KNOWS?)
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...what?
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And if I may say I really cant believe that you couldnt care less if the updates didnt improve the battery, I think you belong in the less than 99.9% group who do not want the updates to include battery enhancements or performance, and again about your sheep-complex its something you have to sort out im sorry im no psychiatrist.
Cheers!!!
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I just don't care about battery life that much. It's fine, it does the job (Mine's currently at 60% after 7hours and 24minutes on battery).
Not sure about my "sheep-complex", as you so eloquently put it, but someone who flips out and argues with random people simply because someone disagreed with their point of view must have some sort of god-complex.
That can't be healthy.
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Why would it yield innacurate results? Im sorry but I have to ask.
Because of the sheep things? I think strong minded people dont care about stuff like that.
And again I think 99.9% of the One X owners would like to see updates that improves battery life asides from other stuff.
You're one wierd little one...
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Haha, I'm a bizarre person, I wont lie!
And no, strong minded people wont care, but they probably wont vote.
I think the 161 views and only 4 votes speaks for itself, don't you?
I think that they will be working on codes to optimize battery-life..
Read here from Engadget's article:
We also discussed battery life and competing phones that come with physically larger batteries (especially the Droid Razr Maxx), but Vice President of Phone Strategy Bjorn Kilburn claims that for most customers going into the shops, power consumption is not on the top of their lists. In fact, HTC claimed it tested a large battery concept with selected customers and carriers last year, but it didn't sell.
It turns out people just prefer thinner phones (or at least initially they do), and therefore HTC chose to take a holistic approach to improving battery life through power management optimization, choice of power density, choice of voltage and many more.
HTC's preference to wired charging over the comparatively slower wireless charging also helps reduce phone downtime, of course.
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I just read thru the article fast.
I really hope they focus on battery improvments.
Me and some other people were discussing on a thread if it could be possible to change the 1800 battery to a maybe 2000? that is more or less the same size and if its not too much of a difference in size then maybe even a 2200.
If you notice on the back of the 1X the poly-body is 'soft' if you press it abit, and also opening didnt seem TOO difficult.
But first think is to find the correct battery model but stronger and go from there.
Another possible scenario could be to make use of those 5 pins on the back. But at least for me its unclear about what they exactly do or will do, of course a Dock comes to mind but will it get charged via those pins?
In that case you could have a cover with an extra battery or something
Cheers
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So if you knew this to be a fact, how would you react?
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Well, since it's not a fact I'm not going to react at all. How you got that HTC's abandoning focusing on battery life out of this is beyond me. If their phones suddenly become known as the worst of all manufacturers for battery life they may as well shut down now. It's a competitive industry and their battery life needs to be competitive also. They're not idiots.
This week, at its Frequencies blogger event, HTC said it was looking at ways to prolong battery life without adding more bulk to the phone itself. Speaking to bloggers in Seattle, HTC's vice president of phone strategy Bjorn Kilburn said that the company had rejected models with huge 3000mAh batteries because they were too thick. PCMag reports that Kilburn said research indicated customers wanted a phone between 8mm and 10mm thick and that customers weren't happy to buy a phone any bigger than that.
"We experimented with putting in a lot more battery, making the device thicker, but consumers don't want to buy it," Kilburn said. "So we spent a lot of time finding other ways [to maximize battery life] than the brute force approach."
HTC is now trying to find ways to improve battery life without whacking a great big battery in the phone and calling it a day. Kilburn highlighted the HTC One X's LCD 2 display, which he says is less power hungry than an AMOLED display as an example of the company's efforts.
We all love to rag on Touchwiz for being a bloated lag beast and pray for the day we can flash CM to get rid of it. However, there is a way to compare stock Touchwiz vs stock Android on two devices with exactly the same hardware specs and surprisingly, the difference is not that significant.
The takeaway is that Touchwiz seems faster loading video while stock Android is faster loading web content - I have a theory for this based upon how Touchwiz parses javascript, but that's another thread . On a benchmark basis the two are within a few hundred points of each other.
Anyway, here is an interesting video of a guy testing the S4 Play Edition (pure Android) vs the S4 Touchwiz Edition, both all stock and brand new with no rom optimizations or debloating. It's interesting and shows that while stock Android may be a bit faster overall, the difference is far less than one might have imagined. Of course the results may be different on the Tab S.
Nice, but surprising report. Guess the skeptics will need something else to complain about.
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If only those 2 models were comparing Exynos vs Snapdragon.....then we would have a better understanding.
But I can say for sure, in daily use, Touchwiz is noticeably slower than stock.
kenkiller said:
If only those 2 models were comparing Exynos vs Snapdragon.....then we would have a better understanding.
But I can say for sure, in daily use, Touchwiz is noticeably slower than stock.
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The thread is about TOUCHWIZ Vs ANDROID not Exynos vs Snapdragon. In this test anyway there doesn't appear to be much difference between the 2 running on the same platform. YMMV.
Apparently, Kitkat 4.4 introduced aggressive cpu throttling at much lower temps than prior Android versions. This may be something that is causing slowdowns you have perceived with prolonged use. While this increases battery life, it crushes performance. Fortunately a good kernel should be able to address this. In this case the hardware is fine, it is the OS which is screwing things up. I guess Google saw that people care more about battery life than blazing performance.
Anyway, here is the article. Interesting.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/sa...at-performance-cpu-throttling-dvfs,26414.html
Again this is for the S4. Not sure how it applies to the Tab S.
Here is a thread by a dev who was able to disable the DVFS throttling on the s4. He claims that is to blame and not KitKat directly. Will research to see if thee is anything similar for the Tab S.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2674928
Ok, I see that using Wanam Xposed you can disable Samsung DVFS in Advanced Settings. No idea if this works on our Tab S but I disabled it and nothing seemed to break on reboot. This should not increase benchmarks, just stop excessive throttling. One would guess you will see better performance and worse battery life.
We'll see.
mitchellvii said:
Ok, I see that using Wanam Xposed you can disable Samsung DVFS in Advanced Settings. No idea if this works on our Tab S but I disabled it and nothing seemed to break on reboot. This should not increase benchmarks, just stop excessive throttling. One would guess you will see better performance and worse battery life.
We'll see.
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Hi Mitchell, did the battery life turn out worse?
Still deciding whether to root my tab our not (root loses a tv streaming program in belgian which is quite handy)
All I have to say is load up my alpha rom and see for yourself. It's like the difference between a tablet that came out this month (CM) and a tablet that came out three years ago (TW) performance wise.
I've gone from thinking about selling it to wondering how many years its going to be before they can produce a tablet that makes me want to upgrade.
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All I have to say is load up my alpha rom and see for yourself. It's like the difference between a tablet that came out this month (CM) and a tablet that came out three years ago (TW) performance wise.
I've gone from thinking about selling it to wondering how many years its going to be before they can produce a tablet that makes me want to upgrade.
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Soon as you're ready to pop out an 800 I'll be on it.
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Soon as you're ready to pop out an 800 I'll be on it.
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There is a pre-alpha build up for the t800. Unfortunately I don't have one to debug but I hear it boots, touch screen works, but no wifi.
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There is a pre-alpha build up for the t800. Unfortunately I don't have one to debug but I hear it boots, touch screen works, but no wifi.
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Oh cool. I'll hold off on trying it until WiFi gets going but will watch for it.
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Oh cool. I'll hold off on trying it until WiFi gets going but will watch for it.
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It will probably be a bit. I don't own the 800 and mainly posted that to show it was possible. If I finish the 700 before the baby is born and no one else has picked it up then I'll try to get it finished.
thomas_pieps said:
Hi Mitchell, did the battery life turn out worse?
Still deciding whether to root my tab our not (root loses a tv streaming program in belgian which is quite handy)
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You can use rootcloak + xposed module. the tv streaming app will not detect your root.
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I guess Google saw that people care more about battery life than blazing performance.
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Yes and this is one reason why I get sick of people moaning about battery life all the time. It's a mobile device constrained by current technology and what size battery can be squeezed in.
Yet people still expect 3 days battery, super duper speed and a nice slim light device.
For me I accept the limited capabilities of a battery in a mobile device and think they do a pretty good job as it is.
I want a mix of performance and battery, but I'll gladly sacrifice a bit of battery life for a lag free , smooth device.
However the more people moan about battery life the more the scales will tip to battery life at the cost of performance.
I would be willing to except a tablet a mm thicker to have a bigger battery
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thomas_pieps said:
Hi Mitchell, did the battery life turn out worse?
Still deciding whether to root my tab our not (root loses a tv streaming program in belgian which is quite handy)
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So, title self explain. I have G3 and want to ask to someone who made the upgrade from G3 to G4. Is the battery about the same as G3 or is better?
i had G3 and recently i bought G4 not much difference but lets say the G4 win with alittle bit but from my opinion i didnt see abig difference
advice :Stay away from G4--- this device has too many hardware issues
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So, title self explain. I have G3 and want to ask to someone who made the upgrade from G3 to G4. Is the battery about the same as G3 or is better?
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Tell us how much sot/run time you get from the G3 ?
and which variant is it ? 2GB or 3GB RAM.
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dork997 said:
advice :Stay away from G4--- this device has too many hardware issues
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Advice based on WHAT ?
your experience of the G4 for a grand total of 2 days
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Advice based on WHAT ?
your experience of the G4 for a grand total of 2 days
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Don't feed the troll :good:
i was planning to buy the G4, so i looked at some reviews. GSMArena said that the battery life on the G4 is a downgrade from the G3.
The Endurance rating worked out to 54 hours, 9 hours less than the G3. The issue was with the high standby power draw, which puts a strain on the battery even when you're not using the phone. The other disappointment was the talk time, which couldn't reach 17 hours - an 8 hour drop from the G3.
We reran the tests several times and kept getting the same results.
Anyway, the web browsing time was pretty good - nothing spectacular, but good. It also marks the only improvement since the G3 as the video playback is below average for the flagship class.
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imeem said:
i was planning to buy the G4, so i looked at some reviews. GSMArena said that the battery life on the G4 is a downgrade from the G3.
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Watch this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMFjo9qWAng
That is a 'real life' review. Not some synthetic test.
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Watch this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMFjo9qWAng
That is a 'real life' review. Not some synthetic test.
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ok. where does it make a direct comparison to the G3. the video is kind of hard to follow. Unless he has both phones in the same video and do a same battery test, you can't really compare the g4 to g3 with this video. the OP just has to decide which source he deems more reliable.
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ok. where does it make a direct comparison to the G3. the video is kind of hard to follow. Unless he has both phones in the same video and do a same battery test, you can't really compare the g4 to g3 with this video. the OP just has to decide which source he deems more reliable.
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yes because this is a difficult subject so keep a note when he talks of the sot's under different conditions.
Had to watch it a couple of times but i got it in the end. See the comments too.
What is your expectation of sot/runtime ? How much do you get with your curent device ? what is your current device.
There is no difference between G3 and G4 for battery life max i can get 4 and half hours for battery life and minimum only almost 3 hours SOT. Maybe if next LG device is like this battery life i need to change to another brand
Yeah my experience in two days....Touchscreen issues untill i updated to V10C which fixes the touchscreen issue but decreases battery life to the extent where u can literally notice it drop before your eyes. The power saving used to work fine before v10c now even tho i turn it on immediately it wont kick in untill battery reaches 15% ( u will know when its on because the statusbar will change its color to red)...... And yes the back buttons are loose and feel wobbly. There is a pink shade in my front camera when there is sunlight in the background....ummm what else......i am damn sure even the cheap chinese phones coming out will be better than this piece of junk. I shud never have bought it
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Yeah my experience in two days....
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Touchscreen issues untill i updated to V10C which fixes the touchscreen issue but decreases battery life to the extent where u can literally notice it drop before your eyes. The power saving used to work fine before v10c now even tho i turn it on immediately it wont kick in untill battery reaches 15% ( u will know when its on because the statusbar will change its color to red)......
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Really ? how many people are affected ? just one i saw in this thread. So the update did not cause battery problems. v10c is for euro h815.
How much sot & runtime did you get before the update ?
How much sot & runtime did you get after the update ?
figures.
And yes the back buttons are loose and feel wobbly.
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Go to the service centre and replace them.
There is a pink shade in my front camera when there is sunlight in the background....
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ummm what else......i am damn sure even the cheap chinese phones coming out will be better than this piece of junk. I shud never have bought it
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lol, i can find this kind of comment for any phone on this board
many times its because people are interested in some other phone that came out after.
Dont expect anything crash hot from the battery performance. It is nothing like what i expected. If you want good battery life go with samsung s6 or even better the sony xperia phones. Xperia has best battery life. So G4 wont do you any good with battery life
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Dont expect anything crash hot from the battery performance. It is nothing like what i expected.
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heh we're still trying to get you to tell us what your issue is. Any wants to follow the fun discussion see here.
If you want good battery life go with samsung s6 or even better the sony xperia phones. Xperia has best battery life.
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Those phones have other issues. So you trade one set of pros for another set of cons
There is no perfect device. You learn to manage what you got.
So G4 wont do you any good with battery life
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3h sot, lots of complaining, 4h+Sot less complaining or it goes silent. Seen this a few times now. That is what surprised me. Until you realise that people find 8h run time too short but once it gets into 12-14h+ its ok. Its the standby time that is more important.
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Don't feed the troll :good:
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The motives are interesting. want to know what dork is upto, he just smashed his phone :silly:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/help/help-urgent-t3224403
a firmware downgrade gone wrong and no service centre available.
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What is your expectation of sot/runtime ? How much do you get with your curent device ? what is your current device.
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I currently have the nexus 4 and i think the most screen on-time i can get before my phone dies is 3 hours, but usually it's in the low to mid 2 hour range before i have to run to the charger. But the phone never last more than like 12 hour of usage (or a 8 hour workshift+ work traffic) as i constantly surf the web, music, and always checking my phone.
I want something like xperia z3 compact or note 4 battery life, but those phones have some things i don't really like. With the G4, i do plan on buying those high capacity battery (like mugen, hyperion, etc..) if the phone does fall below my expectation.
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I currently have the nexus 4 and i think the most screen on-time i can get before my phone dies is 3 hours, but usually it's in the low to mid 2 hour range. But the phone never last more than like 12 hour of usage (or a 8 hour workshift+ work traffic) as i constantly surf the web, music, and always checking my phone.
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Mostly wifi ? or is there also same amount of data ? how strong or not that cell data signal is and for how long you are on it will take a toll with any phone.
I want something like xperia z3 compact or note 4 battery life, but those phones have some things i don't really like. With the G4, i do plan on buying those high capacity battery (like mugen, hyperion, etc..) if the phone does fall below my expectation.
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How bright do you like your screen. if you can manage with less brightness ie 30-50% you can add an hour of sot.
for reference, 3-4h SOT on data and 4-5h sot on wifi only with 65-70 brightness. mixed use means somewhere in between, 4h sot. high brightness means low to mid 3h, less brightness 4-5h.
sot/run times you can expect 3h /9h, 4h/12h, 5h/14+h is normal with stock.
Are these figures you can live with ? xperias & note 4 will give you an extra hour sot on top. that extra hour means 2-4h longer run time.
you dont need to carry those bulky batteries unless your phone absolutely needs to be on, just swap the battery out in a couple of minutes.. Not hot swap, have to power down.
How important is bootloader unlock and roms for you ? some people are forced to stick with original and forego firmware updates to preserve bootloader unlock. this means if any improvements are made in subsequent updates they can't use them and are stuck with whatever bugs are there in the older firmware. Stuck with bugs and waiting for roms can be frustrating.
For some one used to nexus 4 being able to flash anything and everything, G4 might seem a bit boring for you, Nexus 5x ? you dont care for replaceable battery or sd card. just get the biggest onboard memory possible
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Mostly wifi ? or is there also same amount of data ? how strong or not that cell data signal is and for how long you are on it will take a toll with any phone.
How bright do you like your screen. if you can manage with less brightness ie 30-50% you can add an hour of sot.
for reference, 3-4h SOT on data and 4-5h sot on wifi only with 65-70 brightness. mixed use means somewhere in between, 4h sot. high brightness means low to mid 3h, less brightness 4-5h.
sot/run times you can expect 3h /9h, 4h/12h, 5h/14+h is normal with stock.
Are these figures you can live with ? xperias & note 4 will give you an extra hour sot on top.
you dont need to carry those bulky batteries unless your phone absolutely needs to be on, just swap the battery out in a couple of minutes.. Not hot swap, have to power down.
How important is bootloader unlock and roms for you ? some people are forced to stick with original and forego firmware updates to preserve bootloader unlock. this means if any improvements are made in subsequent updates they can't use them and are stuck with whatever bugs are there in the older firmware. Stuck with bugs and waiting for roms can be frustrating.
For some one used to nexus 4 being able to flash anything and everything, G4 might seem a bit boring for you, Nexus 5x ? you dont care for replaceable battery or sd card. just get the biggest onboard memory possible
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Yep all wifi, don't have a data plan . wifi signal varies to maximum signal to no signal at all lol. But i do turn on airplane mode when i'm on the train for example. My brightness is set to adaptive brightnes on @ 50%ish
I'm actually avoiding the nexus line in the future lol since i really want sd card slot and removable battery (and good/excellent battery life), usb OTG (particularly usb audio out), and a device that can officially unlock bootloader like the g4 H815. and to be honest, stock android ui is sometimes boring and it never has features u see on like xperia, htc, or samsung devices. And I can just do all my flashing needs on my Nexus 4 when the habit kicks in lol. Overall, on my next phone, i just want options and upgrade/replacement possibility
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Yep all wifi, don't have a data plan . wifi signal varies to maximum signal to no signal at all lol. But i do turn on airplane mode when i'm on the train for example. My brightness is set to adaptive brightnes on @ 50%ish
I'm actually avoiding the nexus line in the future lol since i really want sd card slot and removable battery (and good/excellent battery life), usb OTG (particularly usb audio out), and a device that can officially unlock bootloader like the g4 H815. and to be honest, stock android ui is sometimes boring and it never has features u see on like xperia, htc, or samsung devices. And I can just do all my flashing needs on my Nexus 4 when the habit kicks in lol. Overall, on my next phone, i just want options and upgrade/replacement possibility
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Then you can expect a 4-5h sot/12-14h run time with normal use. Good enough ?
web browsing won't eat up much battery, its push notifications and constant syncs over weak signal that do it faster.
IMO the g3 was garbage...i had 2 that had emmc failures and all 3 i had overheating issues...battery sucked...only pro was there was a good bit of development...i love my g4...only device i miss over my g4 is my g2...battery life is great with minimal tweaks and greenify...my last run was 5 h 2m sot and 47.5 standby...h81110n
Does it tick anyone off that Google put a 'SD821' in your phone, downclocked it to exact SD820 speeds, then sells it as a SD821? The difference between the two is that Qualcomm essentially overclocked the SD820 and called it the SD821 as the two have the same architecture. Then Google apparently downclocks them back down to stock speed and still calls them the Pro chip? Sounds like false advertising that they got around by advertising the downclocked speeds. They knew most customers just care that 821 is bigger than 820, as they don't pay attention the the real tech specs. The SD821 does offer better power consumption efficiency and downclocking will make that actually show, but when the battery easily lasts more than all day, I would rather have the performance increase, but maybe that is just me.
Most customers are checking the chip model? I think not!
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Google didn't "downclock" the 821. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that is clocked higher and one that is more battery efficient.
http://www.xda-developers.com/a-loo...he-snapdragon-821-in-the-google-pixel-phones/
It's not false advertising. Its an ill informed consumer.
+1 to dbrohers comment.
Further.....this is the smoothest performing phone and great battery life. I would rather keep it as is with a lower clock speed.
I don't think Google was concerned with drag racing against other phones in benchmarks. They went for popular vote of a smooth experience with great battery life.
This was known before the phone was even released. It's a non-issue. Are you having performance issues with the phone?
Most likely both versions of the 821's are just high binned 820's. When they fab chips on a wafer the ones closest to the middle generally can hit higher clocks with lower power. So they probably have been holding back the best ones since the beginning and waiting until the fall to release them as the 821.
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Google didn't "downclock" the 821. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that is clocked higher and one that is more battery efficient.
http://www.xda-developers.com/a-loo...he-snapdragon-821-in-the-google-pixel-phones/
It's not false advertising. Its an ill informed consumer.
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Okay so Google opted for a 5% battery gain instead of a 10% performance gain? I'm glad I chose the latter.
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This was known before the phone was even released. It's a non-issue. Are you having performance issues with the phone?
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I don't have the phone, just wondering about perspective from the owners of the phone. I have the Zenfone 3 Special Edition and love everything about it. The Pixel XL had me strongly considering it because of the software update benefits, however it just fell short in too many areas hardware wise.
iceman4357 said:
+1 to dbrohers comment.
Further.....this is the smoothest performing phone and great battery life. I would rather keep it as is with a lower clock speed.
I don't think Google was concerned with drag racing against other phones in benchmarks. They went for popular vote of a smooth experience with great battery life.
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They went for battery life over smoothest performance. Granted that at these speeds general performance differences will be almost indistinguishable, but when they choose to go with the slower version, they are not choosing smoothest performance. I do not doubt the performance is butter smooth, especially on Nougat, but 'smoothest' performance would've come from the faster clocked SD821.
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I don't have the phone, just wondering about perspective from the owners of the phone. I have the Zenfone 3 Special Edition and love everything about it. The Pixel XL had me strongly considering it because of the software update benefits, however it just fell short in too many areas hardware wise.
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Gotcha. Well, the phone is absolutely buttery smooth. The camera is epic. The battery life is incredible. The only thing I miss really is the water proof thing I had with the note 7. And the S pen. I miss my pen.
The user experience is perfect for me. They got the speed and efficiency balance spot on.
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They went for battery life over smoothest performance. Granted that at these speeds general performance differences will be almost indistinguishable, but when they choose to go with the slower version, they are not choosing smoothest performance. I do not doubt the performance is butter smooth, especially on Nougat, but 'smoothest' performance would've come from the faster clocked SD821.
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Wait....so you decided to start a thread in the Pixel forums challenging the performance characteristics of the phone that you don't even own one? lol
The difference in clock speed relative to it scrolling through the app drawer, or between home screens might make a .01 millisecond difference?
You could also buy an unlocked version and I am sure there is someone who will modify the kernal for the higher clock speed.
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Wait....so you decided to start a thread in the Pixel forums challenging the performance characteristics of the phone that you don't even own one? lol
The difference in clock speed relative to it scrolling through the app drawer, or between home screens might make a .01 millisecond difference?
You could also buy an unlocked version and I am sure there is someone who will modify the kernal for the higher clock speed.
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I wasn't challenging anything. I was asking what people thought of it as it was my runner up phone. I simply wanted to know how it panned out and what people thought of the thing that turned me away from it. The pixel section isn't exclusively for Pixel owners bud.
I wasn't even worried about the speed of doing menial tasks such as scrolling through the app drawer, I was wondering about app launch speed and performance of the most demanding games down the road. Home launcher performance is a pretty weak measuring stick for performance. Having said that, as much as I love this ZenUI3.0, I wonder if the Pixel Launcher is somehow better, if that is even possible, simply because Google coded the OS and the app which gives them a huge advantage. I will have to reserve judgement until I get a chance to play with a Pixel though. On the flip side, ZENUI3.0 might be better as it is a perfect experience and this is Google's first go at a custom launcher (though I doubt that kept them from making something exquisite). Regardless, I'm not asking about opinions on the Launcher as it is subjective and it won't tell me anything. I wanted to know if people would've rather seen the higher performance or the battery. I have the higher performance version and my phone has a smaller battery than the Pixel's but my battery lasts a lot more than the day long expectation I have. So I wonder why Google felt they needed better battery life because if my battery lasts a crazy long time, the Pixels would naturally last longer. It just feels like you didn't need more battery life but every phone could always use more performance. I presume your phone keeps charge for two full days. Do you really feel your phone benefits from that 5% battery life boost when you could've had 10% performance boost instead? (Performance that would come in handy, especially when driving that QHD display on High end VR Games down the road). The choice just doesn't make sense to me from Google's standpoint, so I figured I would find out how the owners of the phone felt about it.
Btw, I don't put custom ROMs on my devices anymore unless it is absolutely necessary. I've rarely seen a good one and still not as smooth as stock android.
All i know is my Pixel user experience is much better than my Note7. Speed feels on a whole different level. And battery seems much better.
But alot of that i think is samsungs junkware. It was always running like 20% cpu just being idle. Where i catch my pixel chillin at 0% alot of times
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Gotcha. Well, the phone is absolutely buttery smooth. The camera is epic. The battery life is incredible. The only thing I miss really is the water proof thing I had with the note 7. And the S pen. I miss my pen.
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Yeah waterproofing would've been awesome. The SPen is cool but I personally never used it. My finger works just fine and it would take me longer to pull the pen out and I don't do any note taking. I didn't have the note 7 though so I am ignorant on some of the SPen features it had. I really want to get my hands on a Pixel XL and see how Google did first hand. I personally hate Apple as a company and was hoping the Pixel would get some of the ignorant iPhone users to switch to Android. Most will just keep blindly buying Apple though. I think Daydream VR could possibly be flashy enough for them to consider switching though.
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I wasn't challenging anything. I was asking what people thought of it as it was my runner up phone. I simply wanted to know how it panned out and what people thought of the thing that turned me away from it. The pixel section isn't exclusively for Pixel owners bud.
I wasn't even worried about the speed of doing menial tasks such as scrolling through the app drawer, I was wondering about app launch speed and performance of the most demanding games down the road. Home launcher performance is a pretty weak measuring stick for performance. Having said that, as much as I love this ZenUI3.0, I wonder if the Pixel Launcher is somehow better, if that is even possible, simply because Google coded the OS and the app which gives them a huge advantage. I will have to reserve judgement until I get a chance to play with a Pixel though. On the flip side, ZENUI3.0 might be better as it is a perfect experience and this is Google's first go at a custom launcher (though I doubt that kept them from making something exquisite). Regardless, I'm not asking about opinions on the Launcher as it is subjective and it won't tell me anything. I wanted to know if people would've rather seen the higher performance or the battery. I have the higher performance version and my phone has a smaller battery than the Pixel's but my battery lasts a lot more than the day long expectation I have. So I wonder why Google felt they needed better battery life because if my battery lasts a crazy long time, the Pixels would naturally last longer. It just feels like you didn't need more battery life but every phone could always use more performance. I presume your phone keeps charge for two full days. Do you really feel your phone benefits from that 5% battery life boost when you could've had 10% performance boost instead? (Performance that would come in handy, especially when driving that QHD display on High end VR Games down the road). The choice just doesn't make sense to me from Google's standpoint, so I figured I would find out how the owners of the phone felt about it.
Btw, I don't put custom ROMs on my devices anymore unless it is absolutely necessary. I've rarely seen a good one and still not as smooth as stock android.
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To me personally this phone does miss a beat. If you're worried about performance don't be. I haven't had a single moment where my phone slows down or freezes or anything. Ive had it down to 475mb of ram once. And this thing never slowed down. The speed stayed the same. But that's just from personal experience. So those are my 2 cents. ????
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To me personally this phone does miss a beat. If you're worried about performance don't be. I haven't had a single moment where my phone slows down or freezes or anything. Ive had it down to 475mb of ram once. And this thing never slowed down. The speed stayed the same. But that's just from personal experience. So those are my 2 cents. ????
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Obviously you meant to say, "To me personally this phone does NOT miss a beat."
Not worried about general performance, I knew that would be fantastic regardless of the SD821 they chose. I mean Google coded the Pixel end to end and regardless of which version of the CPU they decided to use, it was going to run butter no matter what. Just to me, when your battery is already leaving you wonder if you will ever need to charge it again, then 10% performance gain is more valuable to me than 5% battery. To some, that 5% battery might be better if they will never game. For me, I want to put VR games on it that will push it to its limits. I just wish they would've come out with two versions and given the consumer the choice. I really wanted to be first in line for updates, but it's okay I love my phone.
Have any of you tried out Daydream VR yet?
Eh....phone is butter....battery is butter...don't give a hoot about 0.1 of a clock speed difference....don't care about benchmarks...don't care if the phone does happen to jank on a game because more than likely it'll be a poorly coded one. Remember, not all stuttering is because of a phone's specs. Sometimes people just suck at coding.
Trust me that 10% difference will never be noticeable in real life usage.
If you never used a custom ROM that performs better then stock? PureNexus everrytime performs better on the Nexus phones. The developer will also release a Pixel rom, PurePixel?
You can always get that extra performance with a little modding.
No reason not to use the custom rom. More features then stock, performs better in speed, battery life and is updated with security updates.
Only reason I have not bought the Pixel yet is because first thing I will do is unlock bootloader. Install TWRP and custom rom. That's not available yet.
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Does it tick anyone off that Google put a 'SD821' in your phone, downclocked it to exact SD820 speeds, then sells it as a SD821? The difference between the two is that Qualcomm essentially overclocked the SD820 and called it the SD821 as the two have the same architecture. Then Google apparently downclocks them back down to stock speed and still calls them the Pro chip? Sounds like false advertising that they got around by advertising the downclocked speeds. They knew most customers just care that 821 is bigger than 820, as they don't pay attention the the real tech specs. The SD821 does offer better power consumption efficiency and downclocking will make that actually show, but when the battery easily lasts more than all day, I would rather have the performance increase, but maybe that is just me.
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Blues-n-Blazin said:
Okay so Google opted for a 5% battery gain instead of a 10% performance gain? I'm glad I chose the latter.
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Who wants a fast car without gas?
The one the timed his nos boost wins. Check Fast n Furious..