It seems that Sprint and T-Mobile US both offer the Pixel 3/3 XL/3a/3a XL. Would Sprint/T-Mobile Pixels allow bootloader unlocking (unlike the Verizon versions)?
AFAIK, only verizon model has locked bootloader. There is no special model for Sprint/T-Mobile. This is only for the 3/3xl, 3a/3aXL is not out is not out yet. Nobody would really know.
wangdaning said:
AFAIK, only verizon model has locked bootloader. There is no special model for Sprint/T-Mobile. This is only for the 3/3xl, 3a/3aXL is not out is not out yet. Nobody would really know.
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I was doing work at a T-Mobile store today, and they just got a shipment of the pixel 3a and pixel 3axl today. Don't say they aren't out. They had a demo out for the xl. Bootloader was locked also. Was unable to get developer options enabled on the regular 3a
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abranson said:
I was doing work at a T-Mobile store today, and they just got a shipment of the pixel 3a and pixel 3axl today. Don't say they aren't out. They had a demo out for the xl. Bootloader was locked also. Was unable to get developer options enabled on the regular 3a
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Next time I'm at T-Mobile, I'll have to get pics, but I replace the hand scanners that go with T-Mobile iPads. Only way I knew they got them in today.
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I was doing work at a T-Mobile store today, and they just got a shipment of the pixel 3a and pixel 3axl today.
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Fair enough, but not many people have bought them or had time to play around with such things. There is not even a forum for them. I hope they make one or the Pixel 3/XL forums will be flooded with two devices each.
wangdaning said:
Fair enough, but not many people have bought them or had time to play around with such things. There is not even a forum for them. I hope they make one or the Pixel 3/XL forums will be flooded with two devices each.
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There is one, but it's empty, only due to it being announced today.
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Fair enough, but not many people have bought them or had time to play around with such things. There is not even a forum for them. I hope they make one or the Pixel 3/XL forums will be flooded with two devices each.
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There is one, but it's empty, only due to it being announced today.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-3a
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I was doing work at a T-Mobile store today, and they just got a shipment of the pixel 3a and pixel 3axl today. Don't say they aren't out. They had a demo out for the xl. Bootloader was locked also. Was unable to get developer options enabled on the regular 3a.
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They could be "demo" units where developer options had to be locked (otherwise people could just steal phones by enabling OEM unlocking and running off). The Sprint/T-Mo Pixels may allow bootloader unlocking, they may not, who knows? I'd still prefer to buy carrier unlocked myself, but if the Sprint/T-Mo are bootloader unlocked then that makes my life easier if I buy used (or from a carrier).
I remember reading that the demo units of the European LG G5 were bootloader locked (maybe developer options grayed out) even when the retail versions weren't, so the Pixel 3/3a (XL) may be the same. But that was in 2016 (when I was hoping my Sprint LG G4 got bootloader unlocked somehow).
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They could be "demo" units where developer options had to be locked (otherwise people could just steal phones by enabling OEM unlocking and running off). The Sprint/T-Mo Pixels may allow bootloader unlocking, they may not, who knows? I'd still prefer to buy unlocked myself, but if the Sprint/T-Mo are bootloader unlocked then that makes my life easier if I buy used (or from a carrier).
I remember reading that the demo units of the European LG G5 were bootloader locked (maybe developer options grayed out) even when the retail versions weren't, so the Pixel 3/3a (XL) may be the same. But that was in 2016 (when I was hoping my Sprint LG G4 got bootloader unlocked somehow).
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It's possible. The manager was just tinkering with one he had bought this morning. The xl was a demo, but IDK. Anything is possible these days
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They could be "demo" units where developer options had to be locked (otherwise people could just steal phones by enabling OEM unlocking and running off). The Sprint/T-Mo Pixels may allow bootloader unlocking, they may not, who knows? I'd still prefer to buy carrier unlocked myself, but if the Sprint/T-Mo are bootloader unlocked then that makes my life easier if I buy used (or from a carrier).
I remember reading that the demo units of the European LG G5 were bootloader locked (maybe developer options grayed out) even when the retail versions weren't, so the Pixel 3/3a (XL) may be the same. But that was in 2016 (when I was hoping my Sprint LG G4 got bootloader unlocked somehow).
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Sorry, please delete my comment. 8t appears I was speaking on incents last night.
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You can't enable unlocking oem unless you unlocked the bootloader first. You need to use a cpu to do that. Unlockable bootloaders would never be shipped to retail in an unlocked state.
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What are you smoking? You have to enable oem unlocking in developer options in order to unlock bootloader
And this is a Sprint pixel 3 xl, unfortunately it looks like we will not be able to get root
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And this is a Sprint pixel 3 xl, unfortunately it looks like we will not be able to get root
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And here I was thinking of changing from the V40 to the Google Pixel 3XL
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And this is a Sprint pixel 3 xl, unfortunately it looks like we will not be able to get root
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Darn.
Would it be possible to enable OEM unlocking after SIM unlocking (like the T-Mobile OnePlus), or is this impossible.
One person on Reddit says T-Mobile Pixels allow bootloader unlocking: https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/bmjw8x/pixel_3_bootloaders_can_be_unlocked/.
However, a T-Mobile employee said that you need to pay off the device before BL unlocking a T-Mo Pixel (like T-Mo OnePlus): https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/bm9ayz/tmobile_says_pixel_3_devices_can_be_bootloader/.
As for sprint version, can we just flash the regular pixel firmware over sprints locked down version?
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As for sprint version, can we just flash the regular pixel firmware over sprints locked down version?
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No.
About Sprint, I am assuming it's the same game as T-Mobile: you need to SIM unlock before you can bootloader unlock. I could be wrong.
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As for sprint version, can we just flash the regular pixel firmware over sprints locked down version?
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There is no such thing as a Sprint software version, or a Verizon software version. There is only one software version, from Google.
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There is no such thing as a Sprint software version, or a Verizon software version. There is only one software version, from Google.
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Maybe you need to check google on that. I am not aware of sprint or tmobile, but the verizon model does live among us.
got my 3axl today from sprint. OEM locked.. ill be a guinea pig. dont really care if the phone bricks
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Maybe you need to check google on that. I am not aware of sprint or tmobile, but the verizon model does live among us.
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The software is the same on both. Can't believe after all this time this topic still comes up.
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Hey fellas,
I literally just got my s8+ from Verizon. I am still within my period for about 12 more days to swap this out for a different phone.
Simple question is this: I know root is out for the s8+ but no bootloader hack yet. Does anybody think there is a better chance the pixel 2 will get the bootloader hacked before the s8+? (It's been out for a while now, I don't think it's going to happen to be honest)...
I don't think that the bootloader may get cracked on the Verizon Pixel 2/Xl. However, you will get updated for 3 yrs, that's enough for me to switch.
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Hey fellas,
I literally just got my s8+ from Verizon. I am still within my period for about 12 more days to swap this out for a different phone.
Simple question is this: I know root is out for the s8+ but no bootloader hack yet. Does anybody think there is a better chance the pixel 2 will get the bootloader hacked before the s8+? (It's been out for a while now, I don't think it's going to happen to be honest)...
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You will not get lucky with an unlockable BL. Next question?
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Scottay5150 said:
You will not get lucky with an unlockable BL. Next question?
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This forum really needs to clean out the trolls.
Hell-Razor said:
This forum really needs to clean out the trolls.
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Reality is, if you have a Verizon 2 XL chances of ever having a bootloader unlock exploit is near 0%.
If you have a Google 2 XL chances are 100%.
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Hey fellas,
I literally just got my s8+ from Verizon. I am still within my period for about 12 more days to swap this out for a different phone.
Simple question is this: I know root is out for the s8+ but no bootloader hack yet. Does anybody think there is a better chance the pixel 2 will get the bootloader hacked before the s8+? (It's been out for a while now, I don't think it's going to happen to be honest)...
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It doesn't matter it's a Verizon phone either way the bootloader is locked like fort Knox. I ordered the Google branded unlocked version for this reason alone.
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It doesn't matter it's a Verizon phone either way the bootloader is locked like fort Knox. I ordered the Google branded unlocked version for this reason alone.
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I may just stick with my s8+. It is a decent phone and there is a working root so far. I would like to compile android though (to be honest I am not sure what you can really do without bootloader access and roms as far as I am concerned).
Explain something to me; if you have Verizon, what possible advantage is there in ordering the Verizon version when you can get the unlocked version for the same price? If you put in your Verizon SIM in an unlocked version, does the bootloader all of a sudden get locked somehow?
beezar said:
Explain something to me; if you have Verizon, what possible advantage is there in ordering the Verizon version when you can get the unlocked version for the same price? If you put in your Verizon SIM in an unlocked version, does the bootloader all of a sudden get locked somehow?
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No, the only difference between the two phones is Verizon locks the bootloader from the factory. Inserting a Verizon sim only triggers the play store to download 3 bloat apps which can be removed. The advantage I guess is that your getting device support / protection / warranty through Verizon in which case you are overnighted a new phone if anything goes wrong and can bring your problem to a local shop vs dealing with Google. Their deals and trade-in programs are much more robust than Google's as well. Bottom line for the average user that doesn't plan on rooting or installing custom ROMs it really makes no difference. All software updates come from Google not Verizon as well with the pixel phones so it makes no difference there.
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Andebad said:
It doesn't matter it's a Verizon phone either way the bootloader is locked like fort Knox. I ordered the Google branded unlocked version for this reason alone.
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Same here!
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beezar said:
Explain something to me; if you have Verizon, what possible advantage is there in ordering the Verizon version when you can get the unlocked version for the same price? If you put in your Verizon SIM in an unlocked version, does the bootloader all of a sudden get locked somehow?
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No it doesn't.
Is this device's bootlooder come unlocked? If not c a.z n it be unlocked?
GDane1 said:
Is this device's bootlooder come unlocked? If not c a.z n it be unlocked?
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At the moment, Verizon bootloaders are locked and at the moment can't be unlocked
They are replacing phones with unlocked versions through verizon warranty replacement, hope this helps if you have any issues with your current device.
Thank you very much for your response to my question take care
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At the moment, Verizon bootloaders are locked and at the moment can't be unlocked
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I have a Verizon pixel 2 xl and I unlocked the bootloader
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How did you manage that?
Intelli69 said:
I have a Verizon pixel 2 xl and I unlocked the bootloader
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How did you manage that?
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Likely that he got lucky and received a replacement that was able to be unlocked because google/verizon messed up. It's actually happened a few times with other members.
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Likely that he got lucky and received a replacement that was able to be unlocked because google/verizon messed up. It's actually happened a few times with other members.
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I bought my VZW Pixel 2 XL from Best Buy.
OEM Unlock
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Likely that he got lucky and received a replacement that was able to be unlocked because google/verizon messed up. It's actually happened a few times with other members.
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So, I got a Verizon Google Pixel 2 XL with 8.1.0 & Android 9 waiting to download. The OEM unlocking, under developer options is greyed out. So, this phone has no hope for unlocked bootloader?
Any ideas.....
Thanks,
zach
coolbeans2016 said:
So, I got a Verizon Google Pixel 2 XL with 8.1.0 & Android 9 waiting to download. The OEM unlocking, under developer options is greyed out. So, this phone has no hope for unlocked bootloader?
Any ideas.....
Thanks,
zach
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Exchange it for a google version. Other than that, I'm afraid there is no current, reliable, bootloader unlocking method for the verizon variant device.
thanks
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Exchange it for a google version. Other than that, I'm afraid there is no current, reliable, bootloader unlocking method for the verizon variant device.
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Thanks, you are the 1st reply out of 5 peeps I've questioned about this.... on hour 3 & this learning curve is more like a roller coaster!!!
Last ?.... how does one go about exchanging? Do I contact Google directly? & if so..... Google store?
Sorry for the 2nd bother, just have no other options except list it as 4 parts on ebay.....
zach
been all over Google's Store site, & Verizon's.... I know I've read where people HAVE unlocked this bootloader, one through someone that charges kind of like Sunshine did/does for HTC devices.....
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Thanks, you are the 1st reply out of 5 peeps I've questioned about this.... on hour 3 & this learning curve is more like a roller coaster!!!
Last ?.... how does one go about exchanging? Do I contact Google directly? & if so..... Google store?
Sorry for the 2nd bother, just have no other options except list it as 4 parts on ebay.....
zach
been all over Google's Store site, & Verizon's.... I know I've read where people HAVE unlocked this bootloader, one through someone that charges kind of like Sunshine did/does for HTC devices.....
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If you purchased it from eBay, then your in a pickle. I have no idea what their policy is, or if the seller would even consider it. As far as bootloader unlocking it, I'm sure there are some folks that can/will do it for a fee, however, as the saying goes....buyer beware :fingers-crossed:
If "OEM unlocking" is greyed out, that means the bootloader is locked and cannot be unlocked. There is no way to hack a P2XL with locked BL to make it unlockable.
If you bought the P2XL directly from Google Store and you requested the "unlocked" version, then Google sent you the wrong one. Send it back and get the one you purchased.
If you bought it from Verizon store or Best Buy, those devices are *always* bootloader locked (buying directly from Google is the only way to get one with unlockable BL). You could return it but you will pay a restocking fee.
If you bought from an individual, you can try to get your money back. But it will be up to the seller to take it back.
UR Right
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If you purchased it from eBay, then your in a pickle. I have no idea what their policy is, or if the seller would even consider it. As far as bootloader unlocking it, I'm sure there are some folks that can/will do it for a fee, however, as the saying goes....buyer beware :fingers-crossed:
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Your right on that.....!!! Just had my dad throw it up on his Ebay account for a bill $100.... Shame, even the Google Assistant is "OFF THE CHAIN"!!! Never saw what it's like on a Google phone before! I know now it IS the phone I want, & the Pixel 2 XL has dropped dramatically in price. Just make sure NEVER get a Verizon phone!!! If it wasn't for the "SHEEPLE", no way Verizon would last in a free market economy, with the way they cram restrictions down their customers throats....... js smh
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Hi,
Anyone with the Best-buy Unlocked version can confirm if the bootloader is Unlocked? Perviously only the Verizon version was available with Bootloader locked, now with this models looks like all the devices will be bootloader unlockeable.
Thanks,
I guess a better question would be what pixel 3a XL have an unlocked bootloader? I am interested in buying one from t-mobile. I would assume the one sold at the google store has an unlocked bootloader.
Thanks for any information.
alphahere said:
I guess a better question would be what pixel 3a XL have an unlocked bootloader? I am interested in buying one from t-mobile. I would assume the one sold at the google store has an unlocked bootloader.
Thanks for any information.
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I bought the unlocked Pixel 3a XL at Best Buy today. The OEM unlock toggle in developer options is not greyed out. The bootloader is unlockable....
droidnew said:
I bought the unlocked Pixel 3a XL at Best Buy today. The OEM unlock toggle in developer options is not greyed out. The bootloader is unlockable....
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Thank you Sr.
alphahere said:
I guess a better question would be what pixel 3a XL have an unlocked bootloader? I am interested in buying one from t-mobile. I would assume the one sold at the google store has an unlocked bootloader.
Thanks for any information.
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Per google all pixels are sold at carriers, except Verizon, are the same exact one sold from google store. They only include a sim for the carrier. Meaning they are sim unlocked, bootloader unlockable et ESIM ready. Verizon even on Pixel 3a had the ESIM removed or disabled. again. Do not buy from Verizon.
Best buy Unlocked, B&H video....are OK I will find out as soon as I pick mine from tmobile and will update this post.
nashi20002003 said:
Per google all pixels are sold at carriers, except Verizon, are the same exact one sold from google store. They only include a sim for the carrier. Meaning they are sim unlocked, bootloader unlockable et ESIM ready. Verizon even on Pixel 3a had the ESIM removed or disabled. again. Do not buy from Verizon.
Best buy Unlocked, B&H video....are OK I will find out as soon as I pick mine from tmobile and will update this post.
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Please do. I'm anxious to pull the trigger today on a couple of Pixels from T-Mobile but won't if the bootloader is locked.
I purchased the 3a XL at Best Buy and was able to unlock the bootloader. Works fine on T-Mobile. Plus, BB gave me a $100 gift card with the purchase.
Phariex said:
Hi,
Anyone with the Best-buy Unlocked version can confirm if the bootloader is Unlocked? Perviously only the Verizon version was available with Bootloader locked, now with this models looks like all the devices will be bootloader unlockeable.
Thanks,
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Yes it's unlock-able just buy the carrier unlocked model not the Verizon one. Best Buy now sells all 4 models in the unlocked version.
TechOut said:
Yes it's unlock-able just buy the carrier unlocked model not the Verizon one. Best Buy now sells all 4 models in the unlocked version.
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Also... Verizon Wi-Fi calling is working on my unlocked 3a XL. Just FYI stuff
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Also... Verizon Wi-Fi calling is working on my unlocked 3a XL. Just FYI stuff
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Each carrier (AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, and Sprint) all have a Pixel variant now so as long as the carrier supports Wi-Fi calling on a BYOD phone it should work for the major carriers.
I'm wondering if the AT&t T-Mobile Sprint very in school out for bootloader unlock or if they're going the same way as Verizon with it not being unlockable I prefer just to buy it from the Google store and get the unlocked one but Best buy has it for $100 cheaper if you activate it through them Even the unlocked one so I don't know how that works.
I have the Tmo one. I see that damn unlock app in my drawer and sure enough, it's locked to the network. :/
nashi20002003 said:
Per google all pixels are sold at carriers, except Verizon, are the same exact one sold from google store. They only include a sim for the carrier. Meaning they are sim unlocked, bootloader unlockable et ESIM ready. Verizon even on Pixel 3a had the ESIM removed or disabled. again. Do not buy from Verizon.
Best buy Unlocked, B&H video....are OK I will find out as soon as I pick mine from tmobile and will update this post.
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I just asked B&H about their listing and according to the B&H rep.. LTE Band 71 is missing on the B&H model. Does not make sense but that is what they told me and it is on the question and answer page. So if you are going to use T-Mobile avoid this model.
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CHH2 said:
I have the Tmo one. I see that damn unlock app in my drawer and sure enough, it's locked to the network. :/
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That it for me, I need a unlocked phone. Thanks! I am going to get the bestbuy version. Is the bootloader unlockable on the t-mobile version?
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I just asked B&H about their listing and according to the B&H rep.. LTE Band 71 is missing on the B&H model. Does not make sense but that is what they told me and it is on the question and answer page. So if you are going to use T-Mobile avoid this model.
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That it for me, I need a unlocked phone. Thanks! I am going to get the bestbuy version. Is the bootloader unlockable on the t-mobile version?
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The specs over on the Google store site says that band 71 is there. And I have no idea if the bootloader in unlockable? How do I check?
GokuSSJgod said:
I'm wondering if the AT&t T-Mobile Sprint very in school out for bootloader unlock or if they're going the same way as Verizon with it not being unlockable I prefer just to buy it from the Google store and get the unlocked one but Best buy has it for $100 cheaper if you activate it through them Even the unlocked one so I don't know how that works.
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That would be a BB gift card. Google Store has the same $100 credit for the Google Store so I don't think that I'd say it was $100 cheaper at BB.
bobby janow said:
That would be a BB gift card. Google Store has the same $100 credit for the Google Store so I don't think that I'd say it was $100 cheaper at BB.
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My main query was about the bootloader status if it's going to be like Verizon on the other carriers or if it's going to be like the unlocked from Google Which Best buy selling and yeah.
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My main query was about the bootloader status if it's going to be like Verizon on the other carriers or if it's going to be like the unlocked from Google Which Best buy selling and yeah.
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Yes, I know that. I think that has been answered in that only the Verizon model will be bl locked. But I'd still like to see a few more confirmations of it.
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The specs over on the Google store site says that band 71 is there. And I have no idea if the bootloader in unlockable? How do I check?
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https://www.techmesto.com/how-to-check-android-bootloader-lock-status-from-fastboot/
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Yes, I know that. I think that has been answered in that only the Verizon model will be bl locked. But I'd still like to see a few more confirmations of it.
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Of course the Verizon is locked. I'm wondering if someone can answer the variants for T-Mobile, Sprint and at&t. Unless those models are just the Google store unlocked models which would be amazing!
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I have the Tmo one. I see that damn unlock app in my drawer and sure enough, it's locked to the network. :/
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But is the allow oem Unlocking toggle in dev options grayed out?
I see a lot of attempts to unlock the Verizon Pixel XLs bootloader, some seem to work sometimes, some do not
I'm in the market for a new original Pixel XL. It's only going to be used over wifi, so I do not care what model or networks it's on, etc.
What should I look for in a device if I want it to be the easiest possible one to unlock the bootloader? Are there versions of the pixel xl that *come* with an unlocked bootloader?
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I see a lot of attempts to unlock the Verizon Pixel XLs bootloader, some seem to work sometimes, some do not
I'm in the market for a new original Pixel XL. It's only going to be used over wifi, so I do not care what model or networks it's on, etc.
What should I look for in a device if I want it to be the easiest possible one to unlock the bootloader? Are there versions of the pixel xl that *come* with an unlocked bootloader?
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The Pixel XL is 5-6 years old. Not much chance of finding a new one. None come bootloader unlocked unless used. Only ones bought from Google store instead of Verizon are for sure bootloader unlockable.
Tulsadiver said:
The Pixel XL is 5-6 years old. Not much chance of finding a new one. None come bootloader unlocked unless used. Only ones bought from Google store instead of Verizon are for sure bootloader unlockable.
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Thanks, but only the last bit is relevant to my question
I am aware of how old the Pixel XL is. I am aware that I'm getting a refurbished or used one. Thanks.
So from what I am hearing, then, the ones Verizon sold still have issues with the bootloader unlock, whereas the ones Google sold are easy to bootloader unlock. And those were the only two sources?
Is there a way to distinguish between the two? Is there a different model number, serial number range, etc.?
THAT is the question I'm asking. Not whether I can get it new...?
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Thanks, but only the last bit is relevant to my question
I am aware of how old the Pixel XL is. I am aware that I'm getting a refurbished or used one. Thanks.
So from what I am hearing, then, the ones Verizon sold still have issues with the bootloader unlock, whereas the ones Google sold are easy to bootloader unlock. And those were the only two sources?
Is there a way to distinguish between the two? Is there a different model number, serial number range, etc.?
THAT is the question I'm asking. Not whether I can get it new...?
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I just bought a new google one off ebay, they are still out there, you just might have to hunt a little and take a bit of a chance.
Probably don't go with the phones4all seller however, though new he seems to be selling what are original verizon models though carrier unlocked.
On the Pixel 2 forums people have been able to distinguish between verizon and google by contacting google w phone info, I don't know if there's any other good way.
I think I am reading it correctly that the unlocked model will not support Verizon mmwave but it should work fine with their other 5g services. I'm not near any of the large cities that use that anyway, so it is no big deal. I am tired of having a locked phone. I haven't kept up with everything in a few years. Can the bootloaders be unlocked and the device be rooted on the unlocked versions? Sorry it is a dumb question but I have been on Verizon Samsung phones for a few years.
We really don't know officially yet, since it has a new CPU chip set until we get our hands on it....
But, usually Google wouldn't block Unlocking the BL.
I'll let you know, I'm kind of perpetually stuck ordering from Verizon because I get so many device dollars from my Fios account. Not really too concerned about unlocking but I'll check for you.
Oaklands said:
I think I am reading it correctly that the unlocked model will not support Verizon mmwave but it should work fine with their other 5g services. I'm not near any of the large cities that use that anyway, so it is no big deal. I am tired of having a locked phone. I haven't kept up with everything in a few years. Can the bootloaders be unlocked and the device be rooted on the unlocked versions? Sorry it is a dumb question but I have been on Verizon Samsung phones for a few years.
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That's impossible. There won't be a Google device that doesn't support mmWave sold in the US. As for bootloader unlockable as long as you don't get the Verizon model from Google you can unlock it. Not sure what 3rd party retailers are doing. Stepping a little out on a limb here but I'll stick by it unless proven otherwise.
bobby janow said:
That's impossible. There won't be a Google device that doesn't support mmWave sold in the US. As for bootloader unlockable as long as you don't get the Verizon model from Google you can unlock it. Not sure what 3rd party retailers are doing. Stepping a little out on a limb here but I'll stick by it unless proven otherwise.
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From Google store: Unlocked Pixel is not compatible with millimeter wave (mmWave) networks. See g.co/pixel/networkinfo.
I don't understand. In the chart it says it does work.
bobby janow said:
That's impossible. There won't be a Google device that doesn't support mmWave sold in the US. As for bootloader unlockable as long as you don't get the Verizon model from Google you can unlock it. Not sure what 3rd party retailers are doing. Stepping a little out on a limb here but I'll stick by it unless proven otherwise.
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on the google site there is an option for the verizon specific one. maybe they did that because verizon will only let their mmwave work on the pixel if it has a locked bootloader? wouldnt be out of the realm for verizon. the unlocked option on google site says works with the 3 major carriers.
freebee269 said:
on the google site there is an option for the verizon specific one. maybe they did that because verizon will only let their mmwave work on the pixel if it has a locked bootloader? wouldnt be out of the realm for verizon. the unlocked option on google site says works with the 3 major carriers.
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No, that is not the case. Google sells the Verizon model for some reason unbeknownst to me but likely financial. Last year for the Pixel 5 they did the same thing. The Verizon model has different promos attached and you can buy it on your Verizon account without further credit checks and over a period of 24 months rolled into your monthly bill. But you cannot unlock the bootloader in that version, on the Fi and Unlocked version you can.
As for mmWave, every single Pixel device sold in the US is capable. Naturally it depends if your carrier supports it but if they do then you have it. The unlocked P6, or any P6 sold in the states will work on 8 carriers that support mmWave according to what I'm seeing. The locked bootloader on the Verizon device sold by Google is a horse of another color and has nothing to do with 5G capabilities. I am on Verizon but have bought the last 4 Pixels from Google and they all work as if I bought them directly from Verizon. Well... other than the fact I can bl unlock them and the 3a eSim fiasco on the VZW model.
I have read 5 websites including Google and mass confusion reigns. So I might be wrong and I might be right. Here's a link to the one that at least says no one knows wtf is going on. I still think all US versions will be mmWave capable but then there is the sub 5g and UWB thrown into the mix. What a mess. Suffice it to say I will never buy a Verizon branded device so they better sort this out before they ship.
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bobby janow said:
I have read 5 websites including Google and mass confusion reigns. So I might be wrong and I might be right. Here's a link to the one that at least says no one knows wtf is going on. I still think all US versions will be mmWave capable but then there is the sub 5g and UWB thrown into the mix. What a mess. Suffice it to say I will never buy a Verizon branded device so they better sort this out before they ship.
Will Google's Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro work with 5G? The answer is complicated
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Damn I pre-ordered from their website and bought the unlocked version. From my research, it looks like phones bought unlocked from Google will be blocked from using network specific mmWave. If this is the case, I am returning this ****. Really, Google just had to find a way to fudge up a good phone.
From what I understand:
All Pixel 6 Pro in the US support Sub6 + mmWave, (Whether a carrier allows access on unlocked models is unclear)
Regular Pixel 6 is Sub6 Only except for the Verizon variant which adds mmWave.
This has never been an issue on Unlocked Samsung models. Each variant has a different SKU and it'd be interesting to find out if it's a different modem entirely or just software optimizations.
My only concern with the Verizon version is that it may not be bootloader unlockable.
mkhcb said:
Damn I pre-ordered from their website and bought the unlocked version. From my research, it looks like phones bought unlocked from Google will be blocked from using network specific mmWave. If this is the case, I am returning this ****. Really, Google just had to find a way to fudge up a good phone.
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Think it depends on the carrier really. I know this is Samsung and not Google but my unlocked Note 20 Ultra 5G is able to use Verizon mmWave. I used it on Fremont Street in Vegas the speed was insane. I don't see why Verizon would block the Pixel 6 if other unlocked phones can use it but I guess these things can happen. In my case I don't really live anywhere near any mmWave areas so it doesn't matter to me as much if I can't use it.
This is what I am seeing on the google store.
3See g.co/pixel/specs for device configuration and capability. Contact carrier for details. 5G service is carrier dependent. Unlocked Pixel is not compatible with millimeter wave (mmWave) networks. See g.co/pixel/networkinfo.
What a pain. Couldn't get through yesterday to order and out of stock today. What a bummer.
Oaklands said:
What a pain. Couldn't get through yesterday to order and out of stock today. What a bummer.
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Yeah it was an absolute **** show. I was fortunate and got a 512gb after literally 3 hours of non-stop trying. Hope they re-stock soon for you! I've never had issues like this the last few years pre-ordering Samsung devices.
The Verizon Pixel 6 Pro and Unlocked 6 Pro both listed the same supported bands, despite having a different SKU. When Google notes that the Pixel does not support mmWave, I think they're referring to the regular unlocked Pixel 6, not the Pro.
So... do I buy unlocked, which is what I prefer to do, even though I have not unlocked a bootloader in years, or do I buy Verizon, which I must use because of coverage where I live, to ensure compatibility 100%?
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So... do I buy unlocked, which is what I prefer to do, even though I have not unlocked a bootloader in years, or do I buy Verizon, which I must use because of coverage where I live, to ensure compatibility 100%?
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Was the pixel 5 verizon bootloader unlockable?? Maybe someone will have a way to unlock the verizon bootloader in the near future?
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Was the pixel 5 verizon bootloader unlockable?? Maybe someone will have a way to unlock the verizon bootloader in the near future?
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I am just getting the unlocked version. If it is an issue, I may either switch back to AT&T with my microcell (yes, I still have an AT&T microcell because wifi calling sucks) or sell the unlocked and get the Verizon. I used to be big into custom roms and unlocking bootloaders, but things are to the point where the need just is not there anymore on most phones. Except Samsung and all its bloatware. (sorry, I had to get that dig in!)
im unlocking BL .. as soon as the guide is available. then flash Verizon Factory Image. i should be good to go with (mmWave)
Pre ordered unlocked version.
I've been unlocking and modding my phones since the OG Droid. Originally I would flash ROMs all the time, but Android has evolved so much that now I just unlock for dark mode and ad blocking. Now that dark mode is baked in all I need is the ad blocking. I also want to use my banking apps and Google Pay. So, for the first time in many years, I ordered the Verizon model from Google. I'll see if it's unlockable. If it isn't, no big deal. If it is, I might, and I might not.
With the unlocked OnePlus 8 Pro, we never got native Wi-Fi calling working on Verizon, so I don't want to miss out on that again, or any data bands.
I'm amped for the 6 Pro. I'm pretty sure I'll be happy with it. My brother-in-law is one of the heads of Photoshop and AI at Adobe. I'm think he'll be interested in taking a peek at it.