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Did some comparisons between the Moto G5 plus and my old ASUS Zenfone 2. As soon as I started using it the colors seemed off, everything had this weird olive greenish hue and It didn't make any sense because launcher/homes seemed fine. But I'd browse a website, play pokemon go, or look at instagram and things were just washed out and dull while at the same time parts looked fine.
Finally found a test that explains what I was seeing and it's not good news. I was running the latest firmware with the volte fix. The app i used is called "DIsplay Tester" by "Brainntrapp" and open the test was "Banding, Contrast, Saturation" test. There are so many colors just missing on the G5 Plus the gradient looks horrible. The banding you see on the G5 plus was not visible in real life but the missing colors and hardness of the gradient was. Photos were taken with a Nikon D90 and Tamron 17-50 2.8.
The screen was driving me nuts so I didn't mess around with getting a replacement or sending to Moto to fix because I couldn't live with it if it didn't get resolved. I'll just have to keep looking/waiting for a replacement to my old zenfone.
Figured if any of you were having issues you could see if yours is similar, also curious to hear if you're _not_ having this issue as well which means it may make sense to buy once production issues are fixed.
I can't really tell any difference between Vibrant and Standard, but don't see any banding as in yours and think they look pretty decent imo.
The screen is on the less vibrant side than some others, but colors appear very accurate/realistic and the sharpness of detail is very good. My Moto X Pure screen is 1440p with more color depth but it has a yellowish tint to the whites in comparison. Coming from the Pure at first I thought the G5+ screen was going to be too bland, but after using it awhile I like its softer look which seems easier on the old eyes while still being very viewable.
I agree there's a really minimal difference between vibrant and standard. However, you took screenshots which will not show any issues as the actual data being sent is correct so we can't know if your screen does or doesn't have this issue. I had to take a picture of the screen with my DSLR and included my ASUS for comparison as a way to demonstrate the issue.
In the pictures I took, the hard breaks you see between the colors in the G5 are supposed to be smooth gradients and there is a ton of blue missing from the panel as well. This isn't just an issue of the screen being generally desaturated this is an uneven distribution of missing/desaturated colors. If it doesn't bother you that's certainly fine but it's very much an issue with the screen that should be addressed as it means that it is incapable of accurately reproducing colors even if the reproduction is pleasing to some. The banding I'm referring to is in the green section on my pictures and was not visible in real life and some form of artifact from taking the photo.
Sorry, I misread and thought you were referring to the banding as the main issue. I do see the more distinct color separation or breaks when looking at it directly in the app in either color mode. Just ran Display Tester on my Moto X Pure which shows the much more gradual blending (like on your ASUS) when looking at both phones side by side, although it should costing $150 more.
So it does indicate the G5+ lacks in color depth, something I noticed right away but which hasn't seemed like a minus after using it. The sharpness and wide viewing angles still seem like good quality, perhaps because it's IPS. But now I'm wondering if the KCAL features included in the latest extended stock kernel might help adjust things to look better.
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The sharpness and wide viewing angles still seem like good quality, perhaps because it's IPS. But now I'm wondering if the KCAL features included in the latest extended stock kernel might help adjust things to look better.
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That's part of why this confuses me so much. The sharpness and viewing angles are amazing for an IPS panel I'm not sure if IPS has anything to do with the colors (the ASUS is also IPS). I'd be very curious if KCAL helps as it seems like it should be able to, it could also be as simple as a bad color mode on the panel driver? I'd love to see a comparison from a custom rom to stock. I'm very split on thinking it's a software issue or it's a hardware issue. I don't have enough knowledge or experience to really do anything useful, but I'm hoping that providing the info gives others an ability/info to understand and look into it.
KCAL greatly improves the 'banding, contrast, saturation' result in Display Tester, which now looks as good as your ASUS or my MXPE once I found a good range of settings. Even on KCAL's initial settings the color gradients looked drastically better, so whatever was causing the lousy color depth definitely seems to be corrected by it as the screen looks excellent now.
I'm running on stock using the extended kernel btw. Maybe someone using a custom ROM can post on whether the colors are noticeably better than on stock and also test it in DT for comparison. Seems it'd be more of a driver or configuration error or bug than something hardware related, so maybe Lenovorola will be able to fix it with an update.
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KCAL greatly improves the 'banding, contrast, saturation' result in Display Tester, which now looks as good as your ASUS or my MXPE once I found a good range of settings. .
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Please share your current Kcal config .
How can I activate srgb mode on Moto G5 Plus
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How can I activate srgb mode on Moto G5 Plus
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What we have to help with the washed-out screen is KCAL support available in both custom kernels (ElementalX and Extended Stock) on this forum. After installing either kernel you'll need to use either EX Kernel Manager app or Kernel Adiutor app (both at Playstore) to access the color control settings. I also found the Display Tester app mentioned above useful for checking how the settings I made looked. My screen looks terrific now.
I found that setting Saturation to 45 brings the best improvement, while setting Value to 135 brings another slight improvement.
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I found that setting Saturation to 45 brings the best improvement, while setting Value to 135 brings another slight improvement.
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That's indeed a very good setting. Thanks!
Saturation 50
Value 115
Contrast 140
Is what I've been using lately
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I tried that and looks pretty good. Going to tweak contrast and see too. We should start a thread sharing tweaks
There is no way to fix this without root or Custom Kernel?
So if I'm getting it right I have to run kcal v1.2 on my moto g5 plus and from there I have access to color controls, is that correct?
Unfortunately, I have this same issue, although I didn't realize it, because my wife used the phone on the wifi to talk on Facebook so I ran out of time to return it.
What makes it worse is that it's the amazon-ads version so I can't even root it.
I put this phone right next to 3 other phones (with all LCD screens to be fair) and the difference is kinda shocking. The G5plus looks like it's been bleached, all the colors are faded, like I pulled some sliders to make it less vibrant and more black/white.
My wife didn't notice it, since she was using a basic phone until she got herself a new phone and told me, that "how come this looks more colorful?" That's when I took a better look at the G5plus.
After using it as my daily driver for a week, this phone got some serious color issues. Interestingly the pictures I took looked awful on this phone, but when I looked at the same pics (uploaded to google photos) on my PC, they look ok, not missing any colors.
Another issue I noticed. I turned off auto screen brightness OFF, because it just doesn't work.
I walk out to sunshine and the screen won't brighten and when I walked inside it won't darken so I ended up manually changing the brightness.
Here is the interesting (or rather annoying) part: When I turn the brightness up, it seems like it makes the whites more glowing, while the dark /black (let's say a shadow of a tree) just either stays too dark or turns more grey, instead of brighter. It's like the brightness control is controlling the exposure and contrast only.
Despite I see youtube videos talking about its 4K video capability, I think this phone makes terrible videos, especially how the camera applies too much contrasts and the HDR doesn't help it.
I also believe, that it's not all and every single device have this problem, because I'm sure I'd seen more complaints. It's just horrible quality control, and that's Lenovo for you.
I tried color tuning apps, but nothing seem to work. It probably requires a root but since it's an Amazon phone, it won't help it. So the phone works great as a phone, it just have an awful screen and a mediocre camera
This phone may have been enough in 2016 and 17 with these weaknesses as a budget, but seeing all the new budget Chinese phones coming out this year, I would not recommend this phone unless you can pick it up for $100 or less.
This phone is going into my drawer as soon as my new LG G6 arrives and the G5plus will be only used as a backup phone. There is no way I would keep using this as a daily driver unless I have no other choice.
Yeah we all heard about the screen quality issues and stuff, But is it really that bad? I would love to get one coming from the og pixel xl. But do you guys recommend me getting one?
I got a P2XL 64BG black to replace my 1st Gen Pixel 128GB and overall I'm happy with my purchase. That's not to say the display is perfect, I do have the blue shift when I look at it sideways and I also don't really like the bland colors. I haven't had any issues with burn-in yet though I did install the 8.1 beta to make sure that the soft keys don't burn in. That said Google increasing the warranty to 2 years, the beta dims the soft keys and Google is promising a software update that will offer a more saturated color scheme.....so between what Google has done and are in process of doing I am not really too concerned about the display issues. Display aside it's a great phone, it doesn't get warm like my Pixel did, it's very fast, smooth, great battery life and the 3 years of OS updates is a great perk. I can't speak for anyone else but I am happy with my purchase and will be keeping my P2XL. The best advice I can offer is what others have said in other threads, go to a store and check one out for yourself then decide.
It rocks. Get it.
i love my phone. im coming from the OG pixel
all the negative reviewers are just dumb imho
I highly recommend it for fun on XDA! But it's your decision...
I love the phone too. Only grip is the fingerprint reader. Finger needs to be dry & clean. Otherwise it won't work well.
Go for it. I upgraded to P2XL from Nexus 6
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Yeah we all heard about the screen quality issues and stuff, But is it really that bad? I would love to get one coming from the og pixel xl. But do you guys recommend me getting one?
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I got a P2XL 64BG black to replace my 1st Gen Pixel 128GB and overall I'm happy with my purchase. That's not to say the display is perfect, I do have the blue shift when I look at it sideways and I also don't really like the bland colors. I haven't had any issues with burn-in yet though I did install the 8.1 beta to make sure that the soft keys don't burn in. That said Google increasing the warranty to 2 years, the beta dims the soft keys and Google is promising a software update that will offer a more saturated color scheme.....so between what Google has done and are in process of doing I am not really too concerned about the display issues. Display aside it's a great phone, it doesn't get warm like my Pixel did, it's very fast, smooth, great battery life and the 3 years of OS updates is a great perk. I can't speak for anyone else but I am happy with my purchase and will be keeping my P2XL. The best advice I can offer is what others have said in other threads, go to a store and check one out for yourself then decide.
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I have had mine for nearly two weeks and it is absolutely stunning. Yeah I have a bit of the blue shift (to be expected on most OLED displays) that I don't mind at all, haven't seen much burn-in at all but have moved over to immersive mode via ADB until they release some additional screen fixes/improvements to try and help with it, haven't seen any black smearing whatsoever, etc. In regards to the bland colors, Google announced saturation mode that I imagine will come with the December release? This will be x amount more than the current vibrant mode or whatever it is, I believe it is +10%+, not certain on how much more saturation mode will be, if you dig more vibrant colors and all. I actually prefer, the more true-looking, duller colors but do have vibrant mode turned on (not much of noticeable difference), will play around with "saturation mode" once available but will likely stick with the duller look, saturation mode may be good for video viewing/editing and watching movies/videos.
Like the first poster said, the phone is great, does not get warm, incredibly fast and feels buttery smooth, the battery life is phenomenal, 2 years of warranty and 3 years of OS updates. Could not be happier. I almost got 50 hours out of my phone the other day, probably would have but needed to head out so wanted to throw it on charger, ended up charging it at 7% and about 48 hours off charger, granted I barely had screen on (4 hours) as it was a busy weekend where I didn't need my phone much but all in all very impressed as I have quite possibly every little battery sucker turned on on the phone. I did do some GPSing, lots of music, texting, some snapchatting, lots of Twitter feeds loading, etc. but I'd say mostly light to moderate use, impressed nonetheless.
In the end, it is your choice but I could not be happier with my purchase and would do it all over again, had I known about screen issues upfront.
EDIT: I take back the saturation mode coming in December release.....it is here and available in the November release. I will post screens to a different thread and can provide a link to it later but just thought I'd let you all know.
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Disregarding screen issues that don't even bother me personally. The colors I know will be fixed either by Google or of not with root and custom kernele we will be able to fix that. The phone is amazing. If you do paranoid about the screen stop at a Verizon location and look at it even if you don't have verizon, but I don't recommend buying in through Verizon! :highfive:
I've had mine almost 2 weeks and really haven't found any reason to not love it.
I did a comparison of the screen / blue tint HERE if you want to see a bunch of side by side comparisons.
But honestly, like I've told everyone who's asked: get one, keep it a week, use it play with it, run it through your daily use, and then make the call to keep it or return it.
Nearly every aspect of liking a device is subjective to each person's individual likes and tastes.
I'd hate to see you cheat yourself out of a great device because someone else said it sucked, or had this flaw.
Get it. If you hate it, or just can't get over the blue tint, return it and move on
No one knows better than YOU what you'll like.
If you have to ask, then the answer is NO!
The device is only for self-minded individuals.
If you like a good screen then no
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If you like a good screen then no
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?? My screen is beautiful and I am not experiencing some of the issues others have had. I believe most of the screen issues were related to a few specific batches....they have already came out with an update to fix and help improve many of the lil nuances ppl have been knee jerk complaining about. The screen is fine unless you are the super picky type.
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?? My screen is beautiful and I am not experiencing some of the issues others have had. I believe most of the screen issues were related to a few specific batches....they have already came out with an update to fix and help improve many of the lil nuances ppl have been knee jerk complaining about. The screen is fine unless you are the super picky type.
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False statement. The update only sorted the colours... More saturation. Most of the issues are hardware. It's not just a few batches. You don't have to be picky to not be happy with the issues...at the high price too. It's been proven the LG p oled in most cases is sub par
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False statement. The update only sorted the colours... More saturation. Most of the issues are hardware. It's not just a few batches. You don't have to be picky to not be happy with the issues...at the high price too. It's been proven the LG p oled in most cases is sub par
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Did it? It didn't provide the dimming of the home back and recent buttons to help prevent burn-in? It didn't update brightness configs? It wasn't just colors...
And yes not all batches have the burn-in or even the severe blue tinting issues. I have no signs of burn-in and compared my phone to another P2XL and my blue tinting is hardly visible when my buddies is easily noticed. He does not have any noticeable burn-in either.
I understand that a lot of it is hardware related but there can be improvements on software side to help make the screen last as long as possible as we all know OLEDs decay over time regardless. Is it sub par, it very well may be, but to the average user I dont know if they will notice it being sub par versus superb. I honestly have zero gripes with screen, it is highly objective, but so is the term "good screen".
And, as I mentioned in my post, in the end it will be up to the end user to decide if the screen is bad or not.
I love my Pixel 2 XL. It's the best phone I've ever used and that's with five years of selling phones.
The screen isn't as good as Samsungs. I wish that it was, especially considering the price tag. But the screen is not bad but any means. The blue tint is a design choice. It doesn't bother me. I would like a wider color gamut than just the RGB colorspace and the new "saturated" option just seems to make everything more saturated as opposed to just enabling super saturated colors to be displayed. I find that very disappointing. But that is fixable...
I could go on and nitpick the rest of the phone, but truly the reason to buy this phone above all others is the software. It's buttery smooth. It makes the other companies software look bit silly.
I would recommend the phone. It was otherwise perfect for me if not the screen, and the screen is not that bad especially after the OS update yesterday. I don't see any graininess. I like the natural color more (and now you can change to saturated mode), there is very slight screen burn in or image retention (which I have to look for it by downloading a screen test app and adjust the screen brightness and environment lighting to be able to see, normally I just can't see it). The worst about the screen for me is the blue tint. It was very noticeable when I first switch on the phone, perhaps I specifically look for it after reading all the comments everywhere. After using it for a week, it becomes less and less noticeable. And now in the saturated mode, the blue tint becomes the normal color I am used to, while the normal color when viewed straight on becomes a vibrant and saturated one that everyone else wants.
However, I agree with others that you can go to a verizon store and have a look yourself. And buy and try for a week then decide whether you want to return it.
If google had gone with a samsung panel this would have been the best phone every
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And more RAM, and a headphone jack... I would agree absolutely.
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Hi guys
I have been struggling with the screen on my phone and i want to know if its only me who is having the grainy screen or there are more people having the same issue. Any solid color on the phone appear to be noisy and dirty. People in google are persisting that this is one of the characteristics of the screen and is normal. I cant believe that.
I have had one RMA and the second XL is the same as the first one, first device was shipped from the factory on 31 October and the second one on 31 november.
Should i stop overlooking this issue and live with it or should i push for another RMA?
Compared to my Note 8, the Pixel 2 XL is indeed grainy, however I found it's only noticeable on white/light gray backgrounds, and is hardly noticeable above 35% brightness. My friend's Pixel 2 XL is the same way so I assume this is "normal" for this phone.
The display is a grainy piece of ****. Had 4 phones, all the same, all noticeable even at max brightness on white backgrounds. Makes the screen look like paper. Photos look noisier when viewed on the phone as a result too. If it bothers you, best move onto a new phone.
I've heard the reports of a grainy screen. I've seen 5 Pixel 2 XLs (3 in a Verizon store, mine and a co-workers) and none of them have been grainy.
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I've heard the reports of a grainy screen. I've seen 5 Pixel 2 XLs (3 in a Verizon store, mine and a co-workers) and none of them have been grainy.
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That's a different news. There is also another fact that its not visible if you don't really look for it on my phone but when you see the grain there is no way back. That's when you would say ignorance is a bliss. Still i would like to hear more from others if there is noise (i rather call it noise) on the screen or not.
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Compared to my Note 8, the Pixel 2 XL is indeed grainy, however I found it's only noticeable on white/light gray backgrounds, and is hardly noticeable above 35% brightness. My friend's Pixel 2 XL is the same way so I assume this is "normal" for this phone.
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Thanks for your reply im more interested to look into differences in grain visibility on pixel 2 xl's, because i have read very uneven comparisons for the same device and none is consistent. Some say they see it some say they don't. I can see the grain in all situations with 20% brightness and also with 100%, if there are some cases which phones are grainless (if that's even a word) i would like to report this to google. In your case all of what you have seen are dirty AF. ( They call it dirty screen effect on tv's)
I had 2 Pixel 2 XL over the last 3 weeks. 1st one did not have any noticeable grainy screen. Had to exchange for spontaneous reboots.
The 2nd Pixel I have now suffers from what you are describing, the graininess is notable from minimum to maximum brightness most pronounced on light grey and white backgrounds. In main setting menu, scrolling black text on white background such as websites and YouTube comments. In fact, this is noticeable to me on the 1st setup screen when you power on a new Pixel the 1st time. My looks like snowflake of old CRT screen, or using a matte screen protector. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to capture with any camera I have.
There are couple of long threads here you can search for grainy screen, and you will find few posts on it.
Check out Ars Technica's pictures of the grainy screen.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...view-the-best-android-phone-you-can-buy/2/#h3
Here is Erica Griffin from YouTube on the same issue (6:40):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JjbMT_x6CM&t=503s
Both of my Pixels was manufactured on 13/11/17, and they also have different degree where blue shift becomes apparent, so I think it is a pure luck if the next Pixel's screen you get might not have a grainy screen that you will notice.
At this point, from all my research it seems most screen of the Pixel 2 XL will have some imperfections compared to latest Samsung screens find in iPhone, Galaxy, OnePlus and the smaller Pixel 2. This is due to the immaturity of LG's OLED screen technology and the lack of any batch or individual screen calibration at the factory.
For me, the whole package of smooth UI and fastest security updates means I will overlook the Pixel's screen imperfection compared the my Galaxy S8+. But it does irk me for Google to charge similar price as Galaxy/Note and iPhone, when they know they can not provide a visual experience anywhere close to those phones. Even the OnePlus 5T I compared in store have a much better screen in terms of non-graininess, lack of pronounced blue shift and maximum brightness.
This is a bummer. The grainyness on mine is faint, but definitely there. Kinda wish I hadn't noticed it but in all honesty I kinda wondered why some pics didn't look quite as good on my phone as they do on my wife's pixel 2. I made trade this for a pixel 2 and be done with it.
Don't have this issue. I prefer gray wallpapers and I don't see this issue. I just tried looking at all white wallpapers and didn't see this issue either. Over on Android Central there seem to be a few people with this issue but the vast majority do not seem to have it and/or notice it.
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Don't have this issue. I prefer gray wallpapers and I don't see this issue. I just tried looking at all white wallpapers and didn't see this issue either. Over on Android Central there seem to be a few people with this issue but the vast majority do not seem to have it and/or notice it.
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I think for the majority it may be more about not noticing as opposed to not having the issue.
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Perhaps. I see it on a couple wallpapers here and there but it's rare - but I believe those are just not high rez enough for this screen. That graininess commonly happens when resolution of the image is lower than that of the screen it's being displayed on as far as I know.
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That is what i also think is happening because i tried to check how many would notice the grain on my phone this friday. The baits were my friends. And only one noticed it. The rest noticed after i told them what to look for.
It is really a shame for google to think they would be able to compete with pixel 2 xl in such a tough market with thus screen and the price tag. I had high hopes for this phone and i have waited for so long to buy a pixel.
Anyways i received an email from a high level supervisor in google's hardware department saying:
"I am sorry for the inconvenience caused to you due to this. As I can see that the phone is working as intended and there is no issue with the device. In this case, we cannot process a replacement for the device. If you want, we can go ahead and check for the refund options of the device. "
Now i want to see what other phone you guys would think i can replace this with. I cant deal with Samsung's bloatware so no S8 or S8+ or note 8 please.
I notice it on white backgrounds but then I realized it's an overlay and it looks grainy because the screensaver shows through a bit on app drawers and such.
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That is what i also think is happening because i tried to check how many would notice the grain on my phone this friday. The baits were my friends. And only one noticed it. The rest noticed after i told them what to look for.
It is really a shame for google to think they would be able to compete with pixel 2 xl in such a tough market with thus screen and the price tag. I had high hopes for this phone and i have waited for so long to buy a pixel.
Anyways i received an email from a high level supervisor in google's hardware department saying:
"I am sorry for the inconvenience caused to you due to this. As I can see that the phone is working as intended and there is no issue with the device. In this case, we cannot process a replacement for the device. If you want, we can go ahead and check for the refund options of the device. "
Now i want to see what other phone you guys would think i can replace this with. I cant deal with Samsung's bloatware so no S8 or S8+ or note 8 please.
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I'm thinking of getting the Pixel 2, if I do decide to replace my 2 XL. It really is a fantastic phone other than the screen. Right now I'm trying to decide how's much the screen bothers me.
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That's a different news. There is also another fact that its not visible if you don't really look for it on my phone but when you see the grain there is no way back. That's when you would say ignorance is a bliss. Still i would like to hear more from others if there is noise (i rather call it noise) on the screen or not.
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On the 3 in the Verizon store and my co-worker's I didn't have much time to look under lots of different conditions but on my own I've actually tried to see if. Different colored backgrounds, scrolling on white, different brightness levels, etc. Basically any situations people mentioned and still nothing. Besides the minor blue tint at off angle viewing (which I don't do anyways) I think the screen looks fantastic.
I somehow made a decision to go with the original pixel 2 xl (htc u11+) it has almost the same specs but 128gb, 6gb ram same cpu. Great screen.performance should be on par. It should be fine. What do you guys think?
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I somehow made a decision to go with the original pixel 2 xl (htc u11+) it has almost the same specs but 128gb, 6gb ram same cpu. Great screen.performance should be on par. It should be fine. What do you guys think?
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Seems like a great device. Personally I'm going to stick with the Pixel experience if I trade my phone in. I'd rather have a smaller screen with all the benefits of a pixel than something outside of the Pixel line
It is what it is. If you can't live with it, then it's time to move on :d.
Screen is fine to me. Yeah it's not the best. But if you get a decent one it's good. The grain is there but only noticeable if you stick to the screen to your face and look out for it
If you see it in normal use I would say its a faulty screen
Just entered the phone lottery with a request for RMA. Leaving the Verizon store very reassured. The display on their demo model, while it had some blue shift, had no graininess. I couldn't believe how terrible my screen looked compared to the floor model. Fingers crossed I get a good one.
Can anyone share their screen calibration settings? I wanna get the best whites possible. On my N9 I used to decrease the reds all the way to zero and my greens about halfway but this is a new phone with a different display and those settings aren't doing the same thing. So I just wanted to know what everyone was doing. Thanks.
I think natural mode supposed to be pretty much calibrated already and if you still wanted to tweak it more there is cool/warm white balance slider and rgb sliders.
There is whole bunch of tests here http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note10_ShootOut_1G.htm.
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Can anyone share their screen calibration settings? I wanna get the best whites possible. On my N9 I used to decrease the reds all the way to zero and my greens about halfway but this is a new phone with a different display and those settings aren't doing the same thing. So I just wanted to know what everyone was doing. Thanks.
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I think natural mode supposed to be pretty much calibrated already and if you still wanted to tweak it more there is cool/warm white balance slider and rgb sliders.
There is whole bunch of tests here http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note10_ShootOut_1G.htm.
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Natural mode can't be further adjusted. You have to choose Vivid to adjust RGB and color temp.
As far as best settings, it's difficult to say what yours should be. If the Note 10 is anything like the Note 8 or Note 9, you can lay four of them down next to each other with stock settings and they will all be different.
My Note 10+ seemed to have too much green tint and maybe just slightly cool. I left temp alone and just knocked green down one notch. But honestly, these screens are so close to perfect you can just leave it stock. Just play around with it, adjust it back and forth until it looks good to YOU. You're the one staring at it.
I have compared four Note 10+'s side by side, and all had different white points. Also, Natural mode was significantly greenish (maybe slightly yellow too) on all four devices. Personally, I feel like my Note8 has a better panel.
According to article I linked above and here again http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_No...hootOut_1G.htm Natural mode supposed to be calibrated and automatically switch between sRGB and DCI-P3 depending on content. (I guess sRGB for pictures and web, DCI-P3 for 4k TV) and can't be easily adjusted. Then there is Vivid mode which uses full color gamut, display is capable of showing and you can adjust it with sliders to your liking or calibrate using instruments. I can't tell you if all phones are properly adjusted at factory (probably not), but according to article the one they had was right on the money and mine seems to be fine as well. BTW the eye can be easily fooled and calibrating instruments are the proper way to adjust it, if you need it. Yet, it is my phone, I don't use it for pro use, so I adjust it the way I like it and mine is set as vivid and gray seems to be neutral gray as far as I can tell without any tinkering. YDMW.
ffolkes said:
I have compared four Note 10+'s side by side, and all had different white points. Also, Natural mode was significantly greenish (maybe slightly yellow too) on all four devices. Personally, I feel like my Note8 has a better panel.
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One of the failings on Android, no color calibration.
You simple can't do it by eye and get all the parameters right.
It's fine for viewing but not editing photos until a company like Spyder steps up to the plate with a 3rd party calibration apk and tool.
Mine seemed best in natural mode with a slight amount of red added with an overlay apk and night mode turned at about the 10 or 20% level.
Lol, enough.
Just don't edit photo colors, temps etc. with or you may get a very rude surprise.
Hi,
First of all I am coming from the OP 8 Pro which has a beautiful screen and whites are whites let me get that out of the way first of all.
The customisation Google allows users to do to OUR screens is ridiculous imo.
No RGB, No wide colour gamut and no white balance adjustment.
Is there anyway to get rid of the awful yellow/green on blacks on these screens without root?
Also is there any way to remove material you or at least allow Black/White in the accent colours? I mean come on Google WTAF were they thinking, I don't want any accent on my screen to be crappy coloured it looks washed out with any of the 4 colours.
Also the Normal/Boosted and Adaptive are all weak imo still nowhere near as nice looking as my OP 8 Pro in Wide colour gamut mode.
I have 1 week before I decide what I am doing with this but right now I look at my OP 8 Pro screen and then my Pixel 6 Pro screen and it looks like total puke.
Sorry have to be honest to die hard Google fans, Since Google started to calibrate warm screens since the Pixel 4 XL which I duly sent back also I haven't had a Pixel since then until now and they still are not listening to their customers it seems.
Nope there isn't. Some people prefer overblown colors, others prefer a more muted - dare I say - natural looking screen.
I agree that the level of customisation is lacking and I understand your frustrations. But having had many different devices through the years, you'll usually adapt to the difference in color temperature and gamut over time and that'll become your new standard. It is much like sound from speakers - one initially prefers the sound one is accustomed to and over time either grows to love the new sound profile or keep despising it.
Ady1976 said:
Hi,
First of all I am coming from the OP 8 Pro which has a beautiful screen and whites are whites let me get that out of the way first of all.
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According to this... (display tests)
Pixel 6 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/google-pixel-6-pro-display-review/
Position in Global Ranking #6
Position in Ultra-Premium Ranking #5
OP 8 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/oneplus-8-pro-display-review-color-rendering-a-strength/
Position in Global Ranking #20
You did mention that you have problems with "whites are whites" with your Pixel and not with your OnePlus - maybe you have a defective screen. My P6 Pros display has no problems with whites, yellows or green. Everything fine here.
vPro97 said:
Nope there isn't. Some people prefer overblown colors, others prefer a more muted - dare I say - natural looking screen.
I agree that the level of customisation is lacking and I understand your frustrations. But having had many different devices through the years, you'll usually adapt to the difference in color temperature and gamut over time and that'll become your new standard. It is much like sound from speakers - one initially prefers the sound one is accustomed to and over time either grows to love the new sound profile or keep despising it.
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I think the colours are probably just about ok at boosted or adaptive what is making them look even more is the materail you and the warm yellow screen calibration, It doesn't help with colours or whites on any screen even TV's.
Me personally like any TV or Monitor or any screen for that matter they should be configurable to any user, the way google sets their phones up is like a stick it or lump it attitude and it really is not winning me over, People would not keep a TV they were not happy with if the picture could not be adjusted and so goes the same for mobile phone screens and to be quite frank Google the last few years or so have gone worse in terms of screen customisation, Even dare I say it Apple (Cough cough) has white balance adjustments, Why for the love of god do Google not add more screen options, I think I may send it back if nothing can be done, If I could have at least selected black/white is accent colours that would have helped a little for the rest of the green puke on blacks but this screen is just not sharp to me, Even the font they use looks unclear compared to my OP 8 Pro, Weird as it sounds as I have never been a OP fan but they have nailed the screens lately and have a ton of customisation options to boot.
I may wait for the OP 10 Pro, Somehow I don't think I can live with a device that you use for hours each day and is the most important factor imo.
Morgrain said:
According to this... (display tests)
Pixel 6 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/google-pixel-6-pro-display-review/
Position in Global Ranking #6
Position in Ultra-Premium Ranking #5
OP 8 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/oneplus-8-pro-display-review-color-rendering-a-strength/
Position in Global Ranking #20
You did mention that you have problems with "whites are whites" with your Pixel and not with your OnePlus - maybe you have a defective screen. My P6 Pros display has no problems with whites, yellows or green. Everything fine here.
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HI,
It's my second P6 Pro I received yesterday and they both look exactly the same, They have been calibrated warm as Google has been doing for a few years now and not having enough configurable display options to allow the user to configure their devcie to their liking, I don't expect miracles but I expect a flagship phone to be adjustable to my needs and likes.
I prefer the cool white look and this is screen is not that, Doesn't look as bad in daylight but in duller darker rooms is looks awful to my eyes, Font is too bold, No black accent colour to get rid off the green puke on blacks because of material you and no white balance adjustment just sucks for a premium device imo.
I will see if I can take a picture both side by side so people can see how white my OP 8 Pro is but sometimes cameras take half assed pics of screens.
Ady1976 said:
I think the colours are probably just about ok at boosted or adaptive what is making them look even more is the materail you and the warm yellow screen calibration, It doesn't help with colours or whites on any screen even TV's.
Me personally like any TV or Monitor or any screen for that matter they should be configurable to any user, the way google sets their phones up is like a stick it or lump it attitude and it really is not winning me over, People would not keep a TV they were not happy with if the picture could not be adjusted and so goes the same for mobile phone screens and to be quite frank Google the last few years or so have gone worse in terms of screen customisation, Even dare I say it Apple (Cough cough) has white balance adjustments, Why for the love of god do Google not add more screen options, I think I may send it back if nothing can be done, If I could have at least selected black/white is accent colours that would have helped a little for the rest of the green puke on blacks but this screen is just not sharp to me, Even the font they use looks unclear compared to my OP 8 Pro, Weird as it sounds as I have never been a OP fan but they have nailed the screens lately and have a ton of customisation options to boot.
I may wait for the OP 10 Pro, Somehow I don't think I can live with a device that you use for hours each day and is the most important factor imo.
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It's not your imagination. Color rendering on all variable rate displays has suffered. Between the variable refresh rate and adjustable brightness accurate color rendering is a casualty.
I haven't use any of the variable refresh rate displays because of this. There are complaints about all manufacturers/models and the P6 has gotten more than its share.
My color perception is in the top 1% of the population. Someone who is at 80% etc can't even see what I can in color shifts. As you ability to perceive color increases so will your expectations. Poor color rendering in a display is extremely annoying to me.
As far as fixed refresh rate displays go the Note 10+ is still near or at the top of the heap for color rendering. It surpasses all the variable refresh rate displays for color rendering.
However starting with the N20U, the S21U and the Fold 3 with variable rate displays the color rendering index dropped. These displays are extremely hard for the manufacturer to color calibrate even for Samsung who are on the bleeding edge of commercial AMOLED technology.
If the small decrease in color rendering is perceivable depends perhaps of the user but it's definitely measurable. It has dropped on all the variable rate displays currently available.
One reason I'm still happily using 2 yo technology...
Use night light to reallllly make it yellow then turn it off, it'll look more whiter for you orrrrr don't buy a pixel lol
blackhawk said:
It's not your imagination. Color rendering on all variable rate displays has suffered. Between the variable refresh rate and adjustable brightness accurate color rendering is a casualty.
I haven't use any of the variable refresh rate displays because of this. There are complaints about all manufacturers/models and the P6 has gotten more than its share.
My color perception is in the top 1% of the population. Someone who is at 80% etc can't even see what I can in color shifts. As you ability to perceive color increases so will your expectations. Poor color rendering in a display is extremely annoying to me.
As far as fixed refresh rate displays go the Note 10+ is still near or at the top of the heap for color rendering. It surpasses all the variable refresh rate displays for color rendering.
However starting with the N20U, the S21U and the Fold 3 with variable rate displays the color rendering index dropped. These displays are extremely hard for the manufacturer to color calibrate even for Samsung who are on the bleeding edge of commercial AMOLED technology.
If the small decrease in color rendering is perceivable depends perhaps of the user but it's definitely measurable. It has dropped on all the variable rate displays currently available.
One reason I'm still happily using 2 yo technology...
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Hey funny you should say that because my Sony TV doesn't look that good at 120hz neither, Colours change from 60hz to 120hz.
But my OP 8 Pro is pure white and good colours, All I can think of they calibrated it for the highest resolution which to be honest is what Google should have done.
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Yep it's the reason I sent the 4XL back lol, I'd have thought that many would have complained in the meantime since the last 2 gens and Google would have done something about it, Maybe my eyes are sensitive to screen setup quality or colour or something but I don't rate this screen at all.
blackhawk said:
It's not your imagination. Color rendering on all variable rate displays has suffered. Between the variable refresh rate and adjustable brightness accurate color rendering is a casualty.
I haven't use any of the variable refresh rate displays because of this. There are complaints about all manufacturers/models and the P6 has gotten more than its share.
My color perception is in the top 1% of the population. Someone who is at 80% etc can't even see what I can in color shifts. As you ability to perceive color increases so will your expectations. Poor color rendering in a display is extremely annoying to me.
As far as fixed refresh rate displays go the Note 10+ is still near or at the top of the heap for color rendering. It surpasses all the variable refresh rate displays for color rendering.
However starting with the N20U, the S21U and the Fold 3 with variable rate displays the color rendering index dropped. These displays are extremely hard for the manufacturer to color calibrate even for Samsung who are on the bleeding edge of commercial AMOLED technology.
If the small decrease in color rendering is perceivable depends perhaps of the user but it's definitely measurable. It has dropped on all the variable rate displays currently available.
One reason I'm still happily using 2 yo technology...
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Agree about VRR but my s21U @120 Hz display looks *Much* better than my P6P display. The colour is much more vibrant. The P6P display looks dull and yellow IMHO. I'm very underwhelmed by it
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Yep it's the reason I sent the 4XL back lol, I'd have thought that many would have complained in the meantime since the last 2 gens and Google would have done something about it, Maybe my eyes are sensitive to screen setup quality or colour or something but I don't rate this screen at all.
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Agreed. I don't think it's a very good panel maybe B+ overall.
Batfink33 said:
Agree about VRR but my s21U @120 Hz display looks *Much* better than my P6P display. The colour is much more vibrant. The P6P display looks dull and yellow IMHO. I'm very underwhelmed by it
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I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint - Pixels are calibrated between a mix of what most TV makers call Warm I/II (which most consider as "accurate")), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION! GREEN IS GREEN! AND THAT MEANS COMIC GREEN! VIBRANT MAXIMUS! (there are thousands and thousands of hues of green, but not with an oversaturated phone...)".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
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I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION!".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
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Aside from the colours, the panel just looks much better. There's even noticeable PWM on my P6P that the s21U doesn't have. After years of trying to get the right tuning , contrast etc on my TVs I've decided to go with what I like , same for phones, the P6P just doesn't look that nice to me. PS. I didn't think the OP8Pronhad a good display either, mine had pretty bad green tint and black crush at low brightness.
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There's even noticeable PWM on my P6P that the s21U doesn't have.
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Interesting. My family has many S21Us and I've noticed flicker on their phones, but not on my P6 Pro. In the end it's a question of sensitivity I guess. Every modern flagshipphone flickers/ has PMW (Iphones, Samsungs, Pixels...), so in the end I'd say get the device that's best for your eyes/headaches.
According to https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsu...proved-in-many-ways-but-not-all.517524.0.html the S21 Ultra has
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
I looked for a test with the P6 Pro, but haven't found such a graphic yet.
Morgrain said:
Interesting. My family has many S21Us and I've noticed flicker on their phones, but not on my P6 Pro. In the end it's a question of sensitivity I guess. Every modern flagshipphone flickers/ has PMW (Iphones, Samsungs, Pixels...), so in the end I'd say get the device that's best for your eyes/headaches.
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Of course, you should get the display you like. A lot is probably subjective anyway.
Morgrain said:
I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint - Pixels are calibrated between a mix of what most TV makers call Warm I/II (which most consider as "accurate")), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION! GREEN IS GREEN! AND THAT MEANS COMIC GREEN! VIBRANT MAXIMUS! (there are thousands and thousands of hues of green, but not with an oversaturated phone...)".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
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The S21U is not "missing colors when in vibrant mode. Although you may find colors oversaturated.
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Agreed. I don't think it's a very good panel maybe B+ overall.
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I don't know if it is the panel or the way it has been configured but the more you turn the brightness up the more washed out it gets unlike my OP 8 Pro it is just clear right the way through, However I agree it is not pleasing to my eyes at all, The font for the status bar looks blurry, No white accent to get rid of the puke and can't disable that theming nonsense look, While this may look good to some it does not to me at all.
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I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint - Pixels are calibrated between a mix of what most TV makers call Warm I/II (which most consider as "accurate")), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION! GREEN IS GREEN! AND THAT MEANS COMIC GREEN! VIBRANT MAXIMUS! (there are thousands and thousands of hues of green, but not with an oversaturated phone...)".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
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Yes but question do you watch everyday TV programs with Warm 1 or Warm 2 as it is known on Sony TV's? I am going to stick my neck out and say you probably don't as most Warm profiles on TV's is for Movies only not everyday use and the fact is I can adjust it on my TV back to neutral without that yellow look.
As for the colours yes they do look natural and just about right but it's that washed out look that makes the colours look even more muted, No point having a good colour profile and then washing them out all with yellow is there lets be honest it does not make sense and never has why they do this on a device that you look at 99% of the time and 9 times out of 10 your not watching movies on it anyway.
Also not just the yellow tint you have to put up with on these P 6's and Pro's it's even that crappy material you that you can't turn and so no mater what wallpaper you use it's adding yet another layer of colour on top of the yellow already, So you've got yellow and 1 of them 4 accent colours messing everything up, My problem is with Google is they are not helping at all by not allowing users to configure their screens, You would not in a million years as an enthusiast purchase a TV that you cannot configure the screen for so.
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I don't know if it is the panel or the way it has been configured but the more you turn the brightness up the more washed out it gets unlike my OP 8 Pro it is just clear right the way through, However I agree it is not pleasing to my eyes at all, The font for the status bar looks blurry, No white accent to get rid of the puke and can't disable that theming nonsense look, While this may look good to some it does not to me at all.
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To each their own I suppose. I had the OP 8 Pro before the P6P, and I prefer the P6P's display. The OP 8 Pro would give me a headache after a while of viewing, and the P6P's display does not.
I also prefer the more natural colors of the P6P than the exceedingly vibrant, almost cartoonish-like colors of the Samsung, and OP displays to a lesser extent.
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I don't know if it is the panel or the way it has been configured but the more you turn the brightness up the more washed out it gets unlike my OP 8 Pro it is just clear right the way through, However I agree it is not pleasing to my eyes at all, The font for the status bar looks blurry, No white accent to get rid of the puke and can't disable that theming nonsense look, While this may look good to some it does not to me at all.
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That's interesting you said about the font looking blurry, this is something I also see but I don't know whats causing it, text looks grainy to me. I don't know the technical reason or why but there's a kind of grain to the display that I can see.