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Hello,
I'm in a dilemma where I have personal T-Mobile service, and AT&T service with my work. I want to purchase the variant of the S4 that will have the best compatibility with both networks (including HSPA, HSPA+, LTE). T-Mobile LTE has also already gone live in my market.
It seems the international i9505 support's T-Mobile's LTE bands (AWS 1700 / 2100 MHz LTE)
However, AT&T's variant (SGH-i337) supports AT&T's LTE (LTE 700 MHz Class 17)
Can anyone confirm if the international model also supports AT&T's LTE 700 MHz Class 17 Network?
Thanks!
From TMO spec sheets, it shows that it supports AT&T LTE bands. There are threads on this already.
Hi,
I've been reading these forums for a few weeks in anticipation of getting a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and am still confused(especially with the news about each version of the phone being region-locked).
My intention is to use the phone here in the United States on T-Mobile and also in Philippines(via a local SIM card purchased there). I've heard that the International version(N9005) only supports 2G(Edge) on T-Mobile here in the United States. Does that version support all bands(2G, 3G, 4G, 4G LTE, etc.) in Philippines?
Does anyone know if the T-Mobile unlocked version of the phone will also support the same bands used in Philippines when I take it there?
Because it seems in my case it might be better to get the T-Mobile unlocked version of the phone so I could possibly still use it in Philippines at their maximum available speed in addition to being able to use the maximum speeds on T-Mobile's network here in the U.S.
Also, are there any specific pros and cons with each of the two versions of the phone?
Any info would be very appreciated.
ducster_usa said:
Hi,
I've been reading these forums for a few weeks in anticipation of getting a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and am still confused(especially with the news about each version of the phone being region-locked).
My intention is to use the phone here in the United States on T-Mobile and also in Philippines(via a local SIM card purchased there). I've heard that the International version(N9005) only supports 2G(Edge) on T-Mobile here in the United States. Does that version support all bands(2G, 3G, 4G, 4G LTE, etc.) in Philippines?
Does anyone know if the T-Mobile unlocked version of the phone will also support the same bands used in Philippines when I take it there?
Because it seems in my case it might be better to get the T-Mobile unlocked version of the phone so I could possibly still use it in Philippines at their maximum available speed in addition to being able to use the maximum speeds on T-Mobile's network here in the U.S.
Also, are there any specific pros and cons with each of the two versions of the phone?
Any info would be very appreciated.
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Here's what I know about Philippines (source):
2G capabilities GSM 900, GSM 1800
3G capabilities UMTS 850, UMTS 2100
4G capabilities LTE 850, LTE 1800, LTE 2100
[Info from your link]
2G capabilities GSM 900, GSM 1800
3G capabilities UMTS 850, UMTS 2100
4G capabilities LTE 850, LTE 1800, LTE 2100
Thank you for your response and the helpful link. It looks like both the International(N9005) and T-Mobile unlocked versions of the phone will support both of the 2G and 3G bands. For the 4g band, the respective phone covers the following Philippines 4g bands:
International(N9005) version: LTE 1800, 2100
unlocked T-Mobile version: LTE 2100
What I'm wondering is if it will be possible to use the unlocked T-Mobile version of the Note 3 in Philippines using a local sim purchased there? If so, then it seems like it will be more beneficial to purchase that version of the phone since it will allow me faster speeds(4g) while here in the United States while also allowing me to use their LTE2100 band for 4g speeds.
Thanks for any insight you can provide me.
ducster_usa said:
[Info from your link]
2G capabilities GSM 900, GSM 1800
3G capabilities UMTS 850, UMTS 2100
4G capabilities LTE 850, LTE 1800, LTE 2100
Thank you for your response and the helpful link. It looks like both the International(N9005) and T-Mobile unlocked versions of the phone will support both of the 2G and 3G bands. For the 4g band, the respective phone covers the following Philippines 4g bands:
International(N9005) version: LTE 1800, 2100
unlocked T-Mobile version: LTE 2100
What I'm wondering is if it will be possible to use the unlocked T-Mobile version of the Note 3 in Philippines using a local sim purchased there? If so, then it seems like it will be more beneficial to purchase that version of the phone since it will allow me faster speeds(4g) while here in the United States while also allowing me to use their LTE2100 band for 4g speeds.
Thanks for any insight you can provide me.
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Definitely T-Mobile version unlocked.
Not just it has penta-HSPA, but you can use wifi calling with T-Mobile SIM attached to keep using your US number under wifi mode (and save you from roaming).
Do you guys know, if the unlocked t mobile version will allow us to use it with local SIM card when we are travelling oversea?
band 7 2600 Supported by i337 and m919 band 7 used in Europe and Canada
The i337 (AT&T model) does the same LTE bands as the T-Mobile model. It only lacks AWS HSPA+ (3G), which the mod in this thread enables. I would have gotten the M919, but T-Mobile doesn't sell the 32GB model, plus AT&T variants are generally cheaper.
No model sold in the US (including the i9505G Google Edition) will do 800 or 2600 MHz. The i337M does though (Rogers Canada). Europe uses completely different LTE frequencies than the US.[/QUOTE] END QUOTE
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Worldwide LTE distribution chart via "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks"
Freq #
Vodafone Germany Germany 800 20 FDD September 2010 [296][290]
Vodafone Germany Germany 2600 7 FDD August 2013 [297][298][290] Network covers centres of major cities.
M919 Specs ".samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SGH-M919ZWATMB-specs"
Frequencies and Data Type LTE: Bands 1/2/4/5/7/17; HSPA+/UMTS: 850/AWS/1900/2100MHz; GSM: 850/900/1800/1900MHz
I337 Specs "samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SGH-I337ZWAATT-specs"
Frequencies and Data Type LTE: Bands 1/4/7/17; HSPA+/UMTS: 850/1900/2100MHz; GSM: 850/900/1800/1900MHz
The m919 according to this supports 2 and 5 bands that the i337 does not, i am new to this but as i said i picked this phone for international use aswell and would like to know the truth. But according to my information, Vodaphone in Germany uses to main bands 7 and 20. 7 Being the one that the US variant could receive.
since the I337 is basically the same in Canada, i looked up Bell
Bell :
Bell Canada 1700 4 FDD September 2011 [75][76]
Bell Canada 2600 7 FDD March 2012 [77] available in Kitchener, Waterloo, Cambridge and Toronto for additional bandwidth.
Both 4 and 7 are support by both devices, since 7 is on freq 2600mhz in Canada and is the same I337 as AtnT would it not be right to assume that the phone could get band 7 in europe? It is true that AtnT does not use those bands in the US but that does not mean the phone cannot support them. Furthermore i picked the M919 because of its native AWS support and the 30$ 5GB 4GLTE Tmobile Plan BOYA talk about savings..... I am curious to know if im correct, my research lends me to think I am. Europe uses mostly band 3 and 7! 7 Being the one you want!
Specs for Bells S4
bell.ca/Mobility/Products/Samsung-Galaxy-S4/Specifications.tab
LTE compatibility
700/AWS/850/1900/2100/2600 MHz
HSPA/UMTS compatibility
850/1900/2100 MHz
GPRS/EDGE compatibility
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
They list there LTE in MHz but i believe 2600 IS band 7 which the US variants support. My confusion is that AWS is listed in there LTE part and in the US its under the HSPA part. A little clarification and first hand experience with internation use of US variant S4s would be great for poeple who have trouble getting good information from the other side of the world!!
Worst case tho im sure you can always get texting and calling and stick to Wi-Fi while travelling, but to us super-users, thats like going back to dial up.
Lol why are you copying and pasting my posts? As for your question, AWS is used for LTE on T-Mobile (and in very few areas by AT&T, which is why their devices also do AWS LTE). However, AT&T requests that AWS HSPA+ be disabled on their devices because they only use 850/1900 MHz for HSPA+ and it would only benefit those looking to switch to T-Mobile if they left that 1700 MHz band activated.
Hi
Can someone tell me if there is any difference between the US and the Euro version of the Pixel ?
Do they use the same LTE Bands ?
Thx
Lionel
Would like to know as well
There's a $200 difference somewhere!
Just bands and likely the absence in the US model of the certification label at the bottom of the back of the device (like Nexus 6P, that hasn't them in the US version and has them in the international version).
The bands are different. The USA model wouldn't be able to use 4G in Europe. You'd be stuck using 3G.
scandalousk said:
The bands are different. The USA model wouldn't be able to use 4G in Europe. You'd be stuck using 3G.
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are you sure ? In my country (Switzerland) we use mostly LTE Bands 3,7 and 20 and as you can see, the 3 bands are in both version.
I only see a difference in the LTE 2X CA and LTE 3X CA where the combinaison are not the same.
Can someone confirm ?
North America
GSM: Quad-band GSM
UMTS/WCDMA: B 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA: BC0/BC1/BC10
TDS-CDMA: N/A
FDD LTE: B 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30
TDD LTE: B 41
LTE 2xCA: B2+B2, B2+B4, B2+B5, B2+B12, B2+B13, B2+B17, B2+B29, B2+B30, B4+B4, B4+B5, B4+B7, B4+B12, B4+B13, B4+B17, B4+B29, B4+B30, B5+B30, B7+B7, B12+B30, B25+B25, B29+B30, B41+B41
LTE 3xCA: B2+B2+B12, B2+B2+B13, B2+B4+B4, B2+B4+B5, B2+B4+B12, B2+B4+B13, B2+B4+B29, B2+B5+B30, B2+B12+B30, B2+B29+B30, B4+B4+B12, B4+B4+B13, B4+B5+B30, B4+ B7+ B12, B4+B12+B30, B4+B29+B30, B41+B41+B41
Rest of the world
GSM: Quad-band GSM
UMTS/WCDMA: B 1/2/4/5/6/8/9/19
CDMA: BC0
TDS-CDMA: B 34/39
FDD LTE: B1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/13/17/18/19/20/21/26/28/32/
TDD LTE: B 38/39/40/41
LTE 2xCA: B1+B3, B1+B5, B1+B7, B1+B8, B1+B18, B1+B19, B1+B20, B1+B21, B1+B26, B1+B41, B3+B3, B3+B5, B3+B7, B3+B8, B3+B19, B3+B20, B3+B28, B5+B7, B7+B7, B7+B8, B7+B20, B7+B28, B19+B21, B20+B32, B38+B38, B39+B39, B39+B41, B40+B40, B41+B41
LTE 3xCA: B1+B3+B3, B1+B3+B5, B1+B3+B8, B1+B3+B20, B1+B5+B7, B1+B19+B21, B1+B41+B41, B3+B3+B5, B3+B3+B7, B3+B3+B8, B3+B7+B7, B3+B7+B8, B3+B7+B20, B3+B7+B28, B7+B7+B28
My advice is to wait and see. Google posted a similar spec sheet last year for the Nexus 6P. It was corrected after while. It would be wise to wait until the phone is actually out and see if the page gets corrected.
Should the page be correct, then the USA version will work in Europe. You just won't have lte-advanced. Carrier aggregation depends on band combinations. None of the European bands are combined on the USA version.
Why nobody knows the real name of the models? For the Nexus 5 there was the D820 and D821, what about Pixel?
Here are the answers you guys been waiting for:
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matteventu said:
Just bands and likely the absence in the US model of the certification label at the bottom of the back of the device (like Nexus 6P, that hasn't them in the US version and has them in the international version).
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FCC changed the rules to allow for device certification notices to be part of the Firmware, Google took advantage of this with the NA model (Settings > About Phone > Regulatory Labels), I'm guessing that there are territories outside USA & Canada that still require the labels on the body of the device.
Yeah that's pretty much what I said lol
US-Model works in Switzerland
according to this site the us-model will work with all bands of all carriers within switzerland: frequencycheck.com/compatibility/kR11C21/google-pixel-xl-2-phone-td-lte-na-g011c-lg-taimen/switzerland
If you are a Project Fi user, another important difference is that you can not use Project Fi with the international version of the Pixel XL.
lionel7 said:
are you sure ? In my country (Switzerland) we use mostly LTE Bands 3,7 and 20 and as you can see, the 3 bands are in both version.
I only see a difference in the LTE 2X CA and LTE 3X CA where the combinaison are not the same.
Can someone confirm ?
North America
GSM: Quad-band GSM
UMTS/WCDMA: B 1/2/4/5/8
CDMA: BC0/BC1/BC10
TDS-CDMA: N/A
FDD LTE: B 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30
TDD LTE: B 41
LTE 2xCA: B2+B2, B2+B4, B2+B5, B2+B12, B2+B13, B2+B17, B2+B29, B2+B30, B4+B4, B4+B5, B4+B7, B4+B12, B4+B13, B4+B17, B4+B29, B4+B30, B5+B30, B7+B7, B12+B30, B25+B25, B29+B30, B41+B41
LTE 3xCA: B2+B2+B12, B2+B2+B13, B2+B4+B4, B2+B4+B5, B2+B4+B12, B2+B4+B13, B2+B4+B29, B2+B5+B30, B2+B12+B30, B2+B29+B30, B4+B4+B12, B4+B4+B13, B4+B5+B30, B4+ B7+ B12, B4+B12+B30, B4+B29+B30, B41+B41+B41
Rest of the world
GSM: Quad-band GSM
UMTS/WCDMA: B 1/2/4/5/6/8/9/19
CDMA: BC0
TDS-CDMA: B 34/39
FDD LTE: B1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/13/17/18/19/20/21/26/28/32/
TDD LTE: B 38/39/40/41
LTE 2xCA: B1+B3, B1+B5, B1+B7, B1+B8, B1+B18, B1+B19, B1+B20, B1+B21, B1+B26, B1+B41, B3+B3, B3+B5, B3+B7, B3+B8, B3+B19, B3+B20, B3+B28, B5+B7, B7+B7, B7+B8, B7+B20, B7+B28, B19+B21, B20+B32, B38+B38, B39+B39, B39+B41, B40+B40, B41+B41
LTE 3xCA: B1+B3+B3, B1+B3+B5, B1+B3+B8, B1+B3+B20, B1+B5+B7, B1+B19+B21, B1+B41+B41, B3+B3+B5, B3+B3+B7, B3+B3+B8, B3+B7+B7, B3+B7+B8, B3+B7+B20, B3+B7+B28, B7+B7+B28
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From that list, it seems that while the international version supports almost all of the bands that the US version does and then some, the US version is still better in the US due to more applicable carrier aggregation support.
Which is better one ?
Depends, if you care about root exynos. If you want speed and les lag snapdragon.
tamerh said:
Which is better one ?
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If you want a Snapdragon with unlocked bootloader that you can root then get the SM-N9750/DS. Or keep your Exynos. Those are your only options if you want root. I'm surprised more people don't get the international Snapdragon, it's like they only think the Exynos exists.
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If you want a Snapdragon with unlocked bootloader that you can root then get the SM-N9750/DS. Or keep your Exynos. Those are your only options if you want root. I'm surprised more people don't get the international Snapdragon, it's like they only think the Exynos exists.
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People buy what's offered in their region...
If you get a unit that requires a warranty repair , out of region phones are not covered and it can be expensive and time consuming to get fixed..
Considering the expense already it comes with peace of mind to be able to get things RMA'ed easily.
I got my Note 10+ and literally the next day I had to get it fixed due the S-Pen not coming out. Got my phone back, had it for less than a day and had to return it due to the power button becoming defective too.
I know this is not really the norm but these things do happen and what took a few days to fix could have been weeks or months otherwise if purchased outside my region...
The Snapdragon is a superior chip and is more efficient so totally your call. Warranty might be and issue
Just enjoy the phone you have your talking minimal gains Vs a possible loss of RMA /warranty
Not worth it.
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A more detailed comparison has to be made:
SM-N9750/DS (Dual SIM)
SM-N9758
Snapdragon 855 China
Hong Kong
Brazil
2G: CDMA 800, GSM 850/900/1800/1900
3G: CDMA2000, TD-SCDMA 1900/2000, UMTS 850/900/1900/2100
4G FDD LTE: B1(2100), B2(1900), B3(1800), B4(AWS), B5(850), B7(2600), B8(900), B12(700), B13(700), B18(800), B19(800), B20(800), B25(1900), B26(850), B28(700)
4G TDD LTE: B34(2010), B38(2600), B39(1900), B40(2300), B41(2500)
SM-N975F Exynos 9825 Europe
2G GSM: GSM850, GSM900, DCS1800, PCS1900
3G UMTS: B1(2100), B2(1900), B4(AWS), B5(850), B8(900)
3G TD-SCDMA: B34(2010), B39(1880)
4G FDD LTE: B1(2100), B2(1900), B3(1800), B4(AWS), B5(850), B7(2600), B8(900), B12(700), B13(700), B17(700), B18(800), B19(800), B20(800), B25(1900), B26(800), B28(700), B32(1500), B66(AWS- 3)
4G TDD LTE: B38(2600), B39(1900), B40(2300), B41(2500)
megatooth said:
A more detailed comparison has to be made:
SM-N9750/DS (Dual SIM)
SM-N9758
Snapdragon 855 China
Hong Kong
Brazil
2G: CDMA 800, GSM 850/900/1800/1900
3G: CDMA2000, TD-SCDMA 1900/2000, UMTS 850/900/1900/2100
4G FDD LTE: B1(2100), B2(1900), B3(1800), B4(AWS), B5(850), B7(2600), B8(900), B12(700), B13(700), B18(800), B19(800), B20(800), B25(1900), B26(850), B28(700)
4G TDD LTE: B34(2010), B38(2600), B39(1900), B40(2300), B41(2500)
SM-N975F Exynos 9825 Europe
2G GSM: GSM850, GSM900, DCS1800, PCS1900
3G UMTS: B1(2100), B2(1900), B4(AWS), B5(850), B8(900)
3G TD-SCDMA: B34(2010), B39(1880)
4G FDD LTE: B1(2100), B2(1900), B3(1800), B4(AWS), B5(850), B7(2600), B8(900), B12(700), B13(700), B17(700), B18(800), B19(800), B20(800), B25(1900), B26(800), B28(700), B32(1500), B66(AWS- 3)
4G TDD LTE: B38(2600), B39(1900), B40(2300), B41(2500)
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Hi,
Just visited some samsung store in shanghai and I can tell you that in mainland china there are no sm-n9750, currently there are no 4g versions available of the note 10+. They only sell the 5g versions with the exact same characteristics as the sm-n9750/DS but with 5g support (thanks cpt obvious) with the following bands : N42 (2500), N78 (3500) and N79 (4500). the 5g versions is under the name sm-9760/DS. And it should also have the unlocked bootloader. Oh and it is sold the same price as the 4g version elsewhere and with google framework installed on it but deactivated until you connect to a network that don't block google..
tamerh said:
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Honestly there isn't a huge difference that you would notice. I have an exynos version here but I have a friend who bought the snapdragon version from the States. To be honest it seems the battery life is better on my exynos as he gets way less SOT on his phone and we both are medium to high users.
Firdt i bough ex version and sold after 5 days because of poor network signal . After 15 days i bough snap version and i dont have any problems with signal. For me its worth to change ex with sd. I have dual sim hk version
dule2303 said:
Firdt i bough ex version and sold after 5 days because of poor network signal . After 15 days i bough snap version and i dont have any problems with signal. For me its worth to change ex with sd. I have dual sim hk version
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This is a problem with the bands supported by the modem
Different models support different bands in different countries
Reaper1337 said:
This is a problem with the bands supported by the modem
Different models support different bands in different countries
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Thats is one reason to buy devices intended for use in your specific country, other major consideration is WARRANTY, I have claimed warranty in several ocasions, with devices obtained from my carrier, it is really difficult if not impossible when you buy a device from other country
winol said:
Thats is one reason to buy devices intended for use in your specific country, other major consideration is WARRANTY, I have claimed warranty in several ocasions, with devices obtained from my carrier, it is really difficult if not impossible when you buy a device from other country
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That is true, but it also depends on where you buy it from - I have purchased many of my Exynos phones from Clove UK - and their customer support is fantastic. I had an issue when I bought the S9Plus - phone calls were dropping constantly - I tried everything to fix it and nothing worked - I sent back to Clove and they replaced it - pretty quick turn around - Now that happened within a week of when I bought it and I don't know what would have happened if I had a Warrenty issue after like six months or something - but I am just saying that some retailers will provide very good service and help with warranty repairs.
eagleone1 said:
Honestly there isn't a huge difference that you would notice. I have an exynos version here but I have a friend who bought the snapdragon version from the States. To be honest it seems the battery life is better on my exynos as he gets way less SOT on his phone and we both are medium to high users.
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That is not true as the Snapdragon is definitely the superior chip. If you looknat the architecture of both then you will see that Snapdragon would have better battery life and performance.
Your friend might be using the Snapdragon and getting less battery life as you two don't have exactly the same usage. If you used his phone the same way you use your own phone then you will see that Snapdragon will get better battery life.
When signal is weak snap performs better,im in europe and by default ex is for our country but snap is superior chip,better reception,better battery better perfomance overall
I have the exynos version and i'm getting 5+/- on screen time, while my brother has the snapdragon and he is getting 7 hours, i'm really pissed...