For anyone wanting something like GCAM that actually works for the A50, here is probably your best bet. It's called Cortex Camera. It's $2.99 in the playstore. For the A50 it works pretty slow and sometimes buggy, but it works. You need to hold your phone still on a subject for 5-8 seconds, until it starts processing. The more still you are, the better the results. During the processing part, you don't need to keep the camera on the subject I believe it's kind of slow on the A50 because of the camera sensor and Exynos processor combo. Otherwise Cortex works much faster on Snapdragon. Current version for Android is pretty old, but how it works for a phone is hit and miss. It works great on some old phones and new phones, not all.
I've tried all the Gcams floating around but they won't process HDR+. There is no advantage over the stock app apparently with GCAM so far. The A50 stock app is like your typical generic app with unpleasant sharpening artifacts. Stock app is ok for sharing and such but if you want the best performance, it's far from it's full potential. Nowadays most phones heavily rely on good apps with stacking/alignment etc
Cortex Camera is like GCAM, in that it stacks aligns and optimizes HDR to a degree, with a few custom settings..... like how many images you want to stack.......it is otherwise auto, and touch to focus ONLY with no other manual controls. Auto settings for Cortex Camera are usually pretty good. Tap to focus and expose is important too.
Results are on the soft side, but less noisier than Gcam on average and much much less ugly water painting artifacts. Turn off shadow enhancement for best results....may work slower though.
For the A50, results for Cortex Camera are processed to 38MP images around 10-18MB each, no other options. Again you can customize how many images you want to process on each capture........and to repeat it's a slow process and this app is not for everyone. Screen timeout may interrupt the process so you may have to tap screen for process to finish before the screen turns off. Images are saved in "Pictures" folder. This app would be best for landscape /still subjects.
I
Hope this helps someone.
All external camera applications are useless on the a50. They do not take a picture in 3 * 4H. Any purchase for the a50 is a hoax. You will receive a WOOL photo without detail. And no need to fool people. An external camera can only help with night shots.
Sharemanshik said:
All external camera applications are useless on the a50. They do not take a picture in 3 * 4H. Any purchase for the a50 is a hoax. You will receive a WOOL photo without detail. And no need to fool people. An external camera can only help with night shots.
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"All external camera applications are useless on the a50. " LOL. If you say so. The stock camera and video app are useless to me.
1) Aspect ratio has nothing to do with image quality and using Cortex Camera on the A50 renders images that are 4 x 3 7188x5388
From EXIF data using Irfanview
7188 x 5388 Pixels (38.73 MPixels) (4:3)
ImageWidth - 5388
Model - SM-A505U
ImageLength - 7188
Make - samsung
ExifOffset - 103
Orientation - 0
FocalLength - 3.93 mm
LightSource - Auto
2) Cortex Camera uses median stacking to enhance image quality over inferior stock apps or any inferior app. Stock A50 software doesn't disallow median stacking.
Tried it.
Literally the same, only less detail. And a little bit darker... kinda... not really.
It is useless to argue. External cameras cannot shoot at 24mp. Cameras also do not have access to camera2api, which means they do not process RAW files. Take a distant object where there is text and take pictures in 3 * 4, 3 * 4H and any other camera in good lighting. And you can write anything in EXIF. In any editor, you can stretch the image to infinity, which is what you get in all pseudo-cameras that think that they shoot in 24 megapixels.
King-V said:
Tried it.
Literally the same, only less detail. And a little bit darker... kinda... not really.
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What pixel dimensions are you getting like megapixels and what do mean by "literally the same"?
poog said:
For anyone wanting something like GCAM that actually works for the A50, here is probably your best bet. It's called Cortex Camera. It's $2.99 in the playstore. For the A50 it works pretty slow and sometimes buggy, but it works. You need to hold your phone still on a subject for 5-8 seconds, until it starts processing. The more still you are, the better the results. During the processing part, you don't need to keep the camera on the subject I believe it's kind of slow on the A50 because of the camera sensor and Exynos processor combo. Otherwise Cortex works much faster on Snapdragon. Current version for Android is pretty old, but how it works for a phone is hit and miss. It works great on some old phones and new phones, not all.
I've tried all the Gcams floating around but they won't process HDR+. There is no advantage over the stock app apparently with GCAM so far. The A50 stock app is like your typical generic app with unpleasant sharpening artifacts. Stock app is ok for sharing and such but if you want the best performance, it's far from it's full potential. Nowadays most phones heavily rely on good apps with stacking/alignment etc
Cortex Camera is like GCAM, in that it stacks aligns and optimizes HDR to a degree, with a few custom settings..... like how many images you want to stack.......it is otherwise auto, and touch to focus ONLY with no other manual controls. Auto settings for Cortex Camera are usually pretty good. Tap to focus and expose is important too.
Results are on the soft side, but less noisier than Gcam on average and much much less ugly water painting artifacts. Turn off shadow enhancement for best results....may work slower though.
For the A50, results for Cortex Camera are processed to 38MP images around 10-18MB each, no other options. Again you can customize how many images you want to process on each capture........and to repeat it's a slow process and this app is not for everyone. Screen timeout may interrupt the process so you may have to tap screen for process to finish before the screen turns off. Images are saved in "Pictures" folder. This app would be best for landscape /still subjects.
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try a better camera for hdr
arjun1919 said:
try a better camera for hdr
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I have used "A Better Camera" many times before. HDR mode on this app for the A50 doesn't do anything other HDR apps can't....simple bracketing, but all still noisy results. especially dark ones.
Cortex Camera gives far better results.
Why are you misleading yourself about the "left" cameras on the a50. They all shoot worse than the drain, except for the night mode. DRO and HDR modes on third-party cameras simply add sharpness, but not detail. photos remain fuzzy with re-sharpening. All these offers are money luring and deceiving people. With good lighting, shoot at the stock 3 * 4H, you can turn on the "Optimization" photo will turn out juicier. If the lighting is poor or the shadow go to 3 * 4.
Sharemanshik said:
It is useless to argue. External cameras cannot shoot at 24mp. Cameras also do not have access to camera2api, which means they do not process RAW files. Take a distant object where there is text and take pictures in 3 * 4, 3 * 4H and any other camera in good lighting. And you can write anything in EXIF. In any editor, you can stretch the image to infinity, which is what you get in all pseudo-cameras that think that they shoot in 24 megapixels.
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It is useless to argue. "
Then take your own advice and don't argue....and pretending to know about every app, when you don't.
King-V said:
Tried it.
Literally the same, only less detail. And a little bit darker... kinda... not really.
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That's not less detail. That's a lot less noise. Noisier is often is perceived as better detail, but it isn't.
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Vlothx said:
Heh, here's a quick comparison between Stock Camera, Cortex Camera, AND HedgeCam2.
1. Stock Camera (default)
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4. HedgeCam2 - Noise Reduction (18MP, 70 Frames, Boost, 0.33% Highlight Clip)
HedgeCam gives far better results, and it's free, lol.
smh rn
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Will try Hedgecam. But you sure that Cortex sample is right? The EXIF data on the Cortex sample doesn't look right. I'm using the latest version 1.01........and used it on like 12 different phones for years. ANdroid version Exif data for Cortex never gives anything beyond focal length and light source and dimensions. That sample has exif data as if it were from the stock camera. And if it is the latest version, (was never updated for years), the dimensions should be much bigger. The exif data says it was originally shot at about 12MP.
poog said:
For anyone wanting something like GCAM that actually works for the A50, here is probably your best bet. It's called Cortex Camera. It's $2.99 in the playstore. For the A50 it works pretty slow and sometimes buggy, but it works. You need to hold your phone still on a subject for 5-8 seconds, until it starts processing. The more still you are, the better the results. During the processing part, you don't need to keep the camera on the subject I believe it's kind of slow on the A50 because of the camera sensor and Exynos processor combo. Otherwise Cortex works much faster on Snapdragon. Current version for Android is pretty old, but how it works for a phone is hit and miss. It works great on some old phones and new phones, not all.
I've tried all the Gcams floating around but they won't process HDR+. There is no advantage over the stock app apparently with GCAM so far. The A50 stock app is like your typical generic app with unpleasant sharpening artifacts. Stock app is ok for sharing and such but if you want the best performance, it's far from it's full potential. Nowadays most phones heavily rely on good apps with stacking/alignment etc
Cortex Camera is like GCAM, in that it stacks aligns and optimizes HDR to a degree, with a few custom settings..... like how many images you want to stack.......it is otherwise auto, and touch to focus ONLY with no other manual controls. Auto settings for Cortex Camera are usually pretty good. Tap to focus and expose is important too.
Results are on the soft side, but less noisier than Gcam on average and much much less ugly water painting artifacts. Turn off shadow enhancement for best results....may work slower though.
For the A50, results for Cortex Camera are processed to 38MP images around 10-18MB each, no other options. Again you can customize how many images you want to process on each capture........and to repeat it's a slow process and this app is not for everyone. Screen timeout may interrupt the process so you may have to tap screen for process to finish before the screen turns off. Images are saved in "Pictures" folder. This app would be best for landscape /still subjects.
I
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Nice !
But there's no reason to believe that the lag is due to sensor present on A50. Imx 576 on A50 is also a flagship sensor. It's maybe due app optimization with exynos chipsets. I'll test it out especially the hdr.
Cheers !
Cortex Camera version 1.01 last updated May 7, 2016. It was strange even to assume that this program can work qualitatively on 9 Android and the latest cameras. The developer of the program did not immediately begin to modify it anymore, since it is an ordinary clone of hundreds of other programs on the Internet. Why are you stubbornly trying to explain that she shoots well. This program, like others did not write under eksinos and a50. Some useless reading of your posts.
Sumedh_ said:
Nice !
But there's no reason to believe that the lag is due to sensor present on A50. Imx 576 on A50 is also a flagship sensor. It's maybe due app optimization with exynos chipsets. I'll test it out especially the hdr.
Cheers !
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The other poster recommended Hedgecam2. It does work similarly in stacking mode which they call "noise reduction " mode. But it appears Hedgecam doesn't use an auto alignment ..or it doesn't work nearly as good as Cortex. So handheld can be problem with Hedgecam. And Hedgecam appears slower. Like you said and I meant earlier yeah...these are not Exynos optimized....but they work. Try manually setting to 12 images first and turn off shadow enhancement. You can stop pointing the camera when says "processing". Again you should tap to focus on your subject. And appearance is soft but signal to noise and clarity can be way way better than stock. Have fun.
Sharemanshik said:
Cortex Camera version 1.01 last updated May 7, 2016. It was strange even to assume that this program can work qualitatively on 9 Android and the latest cameras. The developer of the program did not immediately begin to modify it anymore, since it is an ordinary clone of hundreds of other programs on the Internet. Why are you stubbornly trying to explain that she shoots well. This program, like others did not write under eksinos and a50. Some useless reading of your posts.
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" since it is an ordinary clone of hundreds of other programs on the Internet. ".
LOL, you have no clue. Cortex Camera was the first app to employ median stacking first for Iphone in 2012 or 2013 and then for Android around 2015. I already stated in my first post Android version has no updates for a long time but the core tech with very good alignment is intact. There are only a handful of apps that employee median stacking. The alignment tech is superior to all other 3rd party apps aside from gcam. Huawei does nicely but not designed for many other phones than Huawei. This means Cortex is most friendly when hand holding. My first post said it's buggy but gives nice results, although soft, but has major upsides.
Other poster recommended Hedgecam. While you can get some nice shots with Hedgecam...... Cortex has some advantages and that is alignment
If RAW was enabled with full C2api support, and code could be modified to turn off stock jpg sharpening results can be better for Cortex. But it's still overall going to give better IQ than stock app for A50 especially lower light.
Of course, LOL, which is why the "developer" who "made the camera miracle" no longer paid attention to it. She was a masterpiece of our time. It was not before her and will not be after. Apparently in vain, GCam is constantly updated and configured for individual devices. You can immediately install a “miracle camera” on Pixel phones instead of GCam, because it is so good. Maybe the "developer" himself knew that this was a useless program and therefore immediately forgot about it. Theme for humor ...
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cortexcamera.cortexcamera_production&hl=en
This topic is probably a joke. This app is ancient - over 3 years old.
The real miracle is that it happens to work on A50 Android Pie
pabgar said:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cortexcamera.cortexcamera_production&hl=en
This topic is probably a joke. This app is ancient - over 3 years old.
The real miracle is that it happens to work on A50 Android Pie
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The real joke is that A50 cannot support any GCAM app or RAW/DNG capture. And the stock camera app kinda sucks on the A50. Even though Cortex camera for Android is old, it can give you better image quality. Someone else recommended Hedgecam in "Noise Reduction" mode. which stacks and alignes images. I agree now. Hedgecam works for this mode when switching to Camera2Api. it's not bad. But the alignment part is better in Cortex. You get about the same image quality in both Cortex and Hedgecam (Noise Reduction mode). But there is a tradeoff. Hedgecam is faster (c2pi). Cortex has better alignment stage. These apps do most what gcam does, but slower and more manual setup without optimization. But these apps give less noise overall.
I believe OPEN CAMERA in standard mode gives better image quality than the stock A50 app.
In Open Camera,
1) enable Camera 2 API
2) set to highest resolution
3) set to highest image QUALITY OF 100
4) DISABLE noise reduction in [processing setup
5) Disable edge detection in [processing setup
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So I took some test shots between the ZL and my iPhone 5, wow is all I can say.
And NOT a good wow either.
The ZL is pretty bad compared to the iP5.
The pic's look very washed out on the ZL, I tested the shots in Auto mode and normal mode as well as HDR.
In all cases the iP5 in just normal shooting mode blew the ZL out of the water.
Now looking at the pic's on the ZL screen they look better because of that Bravia color thing, but on my iMac side by side the iP5 kill it.
Weird.
Is there any setting's to help this??
Noticed that too... Weird. with 13 mega and so called camera wow factor in their adds, it just cant beat ip5 and note 1.
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safuan7822 said:
Noticed that too... Weird. with 13 mega and so called camera wow factor in their adds, it just cant beat ip5 and note 1.
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What's also strange is to use the 13MP you have to take a picture in 4X3 mode, all normal auto mode pic's are a 9MP shot.
I also tested the dif between a 13mp shot and a 9mp and saw no difference except that the iPhone 5 was still better in both still and video.
Meh, you guys should know camera is not the strong point of this phone and megapixel don't tell the whole story. If you wanted a phone for camera it's better to buy Nokia N8, it's cheap and still way better than most cameraphones of today. I still kept Nokia N8 as second phone so when I going places I got good camera to take pictures and videos
I think one of the main reasons to look at camera phones is the fact that you don't need to carry a second device and that you always carry it with you.
I am surprised that the ZL has such a lousy camera - thought Sony's expertise with cameras should have helped. I hope it's not a sensor issue and that maybe a firmware/software update would help with the images.
bothfly said:
So I took some test shots between the ZL and my iPhone 5, wow is all I can say.
And NOT a good wow either.
The ZL is pretty bad compared to the iP5.
The pic's look very washed out on the ZL, I tested the shots in Auto mode and normal mode as well as HDR.
In all cases the iP5 in just normal shooting mode blew the ZL out of the water.
Now looking at the pic's on the ZL screen they look better because of that Bravia color thing, but on my iMac side by side the iP5 kill it.
Weird.
Is there any setting's to help this??
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No settings at all may be some firmware or software
upgrade might help
Didn't buy because of camera
I am travelling in Chicago, went to the Sony store, had the ZL in my hand and was going to buy it and took a picture.
I have a Galaxy SII now, a bit handicapped I think by the CM10.1 camera software, and took the same picture with it.
There was a HUGE difference. The ZL was brighter, but the detail was awful on the ZL -- there are what appear to be JPG compression artifacts or sharpening artifacts everywhere. Text in the image had pixel artifacts extending out from corners so that everything was jagged and looked like it was done with a 1-2mpx camera instead (and yes I had it set at max).
I'm a photographer, and I am not buying a phone to replace real cameras, but I also don't want to buy the latest and greatest phone and take a step 3 years back in cameras.
This all looks like software (in a very "gut reaction to a few images"). It looks and feels like poor image processing from the raw data, either over-compression or bad sharpening.
I've done a bit of searching and found a few "bad camera" comments, but has there been any reaction from Sony, any indication of improved settings coming? Are any of the mods available capable of addressing this sort of thing, or is that lost in proprietary code space?
I left without a phone, sadly. My GS2 with CM10.1 does almost everything I need, I was just looking for a fresh face. And I LOVED the form factor and feel. But the camera was a deal killer. Will lurk around here in case there may be forthcoming software fixes (as I am almost certain it is a software issue).
Nice, a thread about the camera and comparisons without pics
CLB-NL said:
Nice, a thread about the camera and comparisons without pics
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Yeah, my bad in this case; I had assumed they would have it mail enabled and I could send myself a photo when I tested it, but they didn't have it set up. I may go back (it's not far) and take a microSD card with me, and see if it's set up so I can write to it and take the photo away. I'd love to have one where I could compare the two on a computer screen.
The image it rendered had good color (better than my SII) and was nicely focused. Just badly processed. I was hoping someone would say "you forgot to set the 'good image or small image'" option to "good".
I REALLY liked the feel of the back cover, they did a nice job there. Easy to hold, didn't feel like it was continually going to slide out of my hand.
CLB-NL said:
Nice, a thread about the camera and comparisons without pics
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Nice one,btw I jus saw a thread about this camera comparison and I didn't see that the camera to be that bad like u guys say it is
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Linwood.Ferguson said:
The image it rendered had good color (better than my SII) and was nicely focused. Just badly processed. I was hoping someone would say "you forgot to set the 'good image or small image'" option to "good".
I REALLY liked the feel of the back cover, they did a nice job there. Easy to hold, didn't feel like it was continually going to slide out of my hand.
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See this. There is a lot of discussion going on (at xda & sony support forums) about the sony's image "post processing" used in the XZ/ZL. I've read somewhere that this matter has been acknowledged by sony support. You may have a look at the XZ general section for threads (like this) regarding camera (same camera hardware used in ZL). Btw, I think that camera on ZL is not bad at all (it bests my previous note2 camera in almost all aspects)! Some software updates might fix the existing issues (noise blur) especially in the auto mode. Do try the normal mode (13mp size) with hdr & flash off, in case you revisit the store.
Dpk1 said:
See this Do try the normal mode (13mp size) with hdr & flash off, in case you revisit the store.
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Thank you, will look at the other links, and I did call the store and they sold the demo and no new ones in. I'm here for a couple weeks so I may get another chance.
to look at pics on the phone it works fine (probably coz of bravia engine) .. but on a larger screen u can see the problem .. hopefully we see a fix :fingers-crossed:
does the camera mod in the apps & themes work any better than the stock one ? cybershot ....
Does this mod help?
I ran across this. It sounds like it got mixed results, so I suspect it is only touching around the edges of the camera processing and not changing how the engine does the jpg compression. But maybe it is. I offer it for reference; discussion may be better in that thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2221351&page=11
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does the camera mod in the apps & themes work any better than the stock one ? cybershot ....
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My apologies, I didn't see this note until I posted my last one. Thank you.
With pictures
CLB-NL said:
Nice, a thread about the camera and comparisons without pics
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OK, I decided I could live with a less poor camera and bought one because I liked everything else. So here are some comparisons. These are done from the perspective of looking at fine detail, not overall appearance at a small size. I.e. I think a lot of what Sony has done is aimed at highly compressed JPG's suitable for facebook-like postings. I don't do that, I use it in lieu of a real camera and so would actually prefer raw images, but as a substitute I hope for good detail and suitable dynamic range despite the JPG conversion. Anyway.
So while I've seen a lot of just full images and "see how pretty" I thought i would try to see the fine detail, not how it did as a snapshot (while admitting that it's a cell phone and a "snapshot" is exactly what it's intended for, it is not a DSLR).
attached is a composite image taken with the Galaxy S2 running CM10.1, and a ZL running stock with three different modes as indicated. all were at max resolution. All were interior shots with good light (large windows beside the scene), at the same distance from a jar of jelly beans. I then extracted two components, one for fine detail (a bar code) and one for some color and detail (an edge of the plastic jar). These were all taken from about 4' away, handheld but shooting several shots and picking the best to reduce the impact of any motion blur.
First, I must say the ZL did not have the artifacts I noticed in the store; I must have had a different setting there.
The images are over-processed, whether for noise or (my theory) compression not sure, but there are a LOT of JPG artifacts in them.
But there are better than I expected. They are not better in a processing sense than the S2, but what you get is better resolution then poorer processing (look at the smoothness around high contrast borers, e.g. the top of the 9 -- there's a lot more pixel raggedness in the S2 from less resolution, but the ZL is just ragged despite having more pixels -- kind of a random jaggedness from compression artifacts). But the net result of added resolution and poor processing is a better image.
But not nearly as "better" as it should be with a lot more resolution!
Sony really owes a "leave the darn image alone" setting.
The burst mode is interesting -- I'm not sure what they are doing there, but it looks like yet even more aggressive sharpening and processing. The bar code at first looks like it is a much clearer shot -- but it is not. It's excessively sharpened and detail is lost even though it fools the eye with more contrast on edge transitions. Look especially at the colors in the jelly beans through the glare, how poor and splotchy they became).
Surprisingly the Superior vs. Normal, despite all I've read, did not have a lot of difference. Not sure if the conditions were such the difference didn't kick in, or... ?
Anyway, to the original point -- here are pictures.
On a related note, been playing with it for low light, and tried in store a HTC one, and there is a marked difference there, with the bigger pixels doing a much better job at low light, but they just didn't add QUITE enough of them for me. The ZL is much better than the older GS2 at low light, but even with the relatively faster lens and newer sensor, it's only OK. Oh... for an F1.4 lens one day. :fingers-crossed:
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OK, I decided I could live with a less poor camera and bought one because I liked everything else. So here are some comparisons. These are done from the perspective of looking at fine detail, not overall appearance at a small size. I.e. I think a lot of what Sony has done is aimed at highly compressed JPG's suitable for facebook-like postings. I don't do that, I use it in lieu of a real camera and so would actually prefer raw images, but as a substitute I hope for good detail and suitable dynamic range despite the JPG conversion. Anyway.
So while I've seen a lot of just full images and "see how pretty" I thought i would try to see the fine detail, not how it did as a snapshot (while admitting that it's a cell phone and a "snapshot" is exactly what it's intended for, it is not a DSLR).
attached is a composite image taken with the Galaxy S2 running CM10.1, and a ZL running stock with three different modes as indicated. all were at max resolution. All were interior shots with good light (large windows beside the scene), at the same distance from a jar of jelly beans. I then extracted two components, one for fine detail (a bar code) and one for some color and detail (an edge of the plastic jar). These were all taken from about 4' away, handheld but shooting several shots and picking the best to reduce the impact of any motion blur.
First, I must say the ZL did not have the artifacts I noticed in the store; I must have had a different setting there.
The images are over-processed, whether for noise or (my theory) compression not sure, but there are a LOT of JPG artifacts in them.
But there are better than I expected. They are not better in a processing sense than the S2, but what you get is better resolution then poorer processing (look at the smoothness around high contrast borers, e.g. the top of the 9 -- there's a lot more pixel raggedness in the S2 from less resolution, but the ZL is just ragged despite having more pixels -- kind of a random jaggedness from compression artifacts). But the net result of added resolution and poor processing is a better image.
But not nearly as "better" as it should be with a lot more resolution!
Sony really owes a "leave the darn image alone" setting.
The burst mode is interesting -- I'm not sure what they are doing there, but it looks like yet even more aggressive sharpening and processing. The bar code at first looks like it is a much clearer shot -- but it is not. It's excessively sharpened and detail is lost even though it fools the eye with more contrast on edge transitions. Look especially at the colors in the jelly beans through the glare, how poor and splotchy they became).
Surprisingly the Superior vs. Normal, despite all I've read, did not have a lot of difference. Not sure if the conditions were such the difference didn't kick in, or... ?
Anyway, to the original point -- here are pictures.
On a related note, been playing with it for low light, and tried in store a HTC one, and there is a marked difference there, with the bigger pixels doing a much better job at low light, but they just didn't add QUITE enough of them for me. The ZL is much better than the older GS2 at low light, but even with the relatively faster lens and newer sensor, it's only OK. Oh... for an F1.4 lens one day. :fingers-crossed:
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Hi there! Congrats on your new device n welcome aboard! I appreciate your feedback regarding the camera performance on the ZL. I tend to agree with most of what you've said! I only hope sony gives us a patch for camera software soon!
Hi, guys,
I'm coming from an Xperia Z3C, which had a camera that was pretty bad. Even though some bash the XZ1C camera, it's a lot better than what I used.
I'm no photographer and I dont' know the apps, so I'd like everyone to share what they know and use.
doriandiaconu said:
Hi, guys,
I'm coming from an Xperia Z3C, which had a camera that was pretty bad. Even though some bash the XZ1C camera, it's a lot better than what I used.
I'm no photographer and I dont' know the apps, so I'd like everyone to share what they know and use.
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Despite people putting down the stock camera, I find it does take good a picture, although using a small tripod gets the best results. This is far from idea for a phone, but just resting the phone on something solid dramtically imporves the picture.
The focusing seems to be better if you turn off 'object tracking' and although HDR is supposed to be automatic in the auto mode, I tend to shoot in manual with HDR enabled. The predictive capture is a good & useful tool. I wasn't sure when I first saw it introduced, but it does a burst shot when it gets triggered by a smile and dramtically increases your chances of getting a great picture.
My favorite post proccessing app is SKRWT. I love taking landscapes and this is great for straightening things or there are some funky mirror effects.
Didgesteve said:
Despite people putting down the stock camera, I find it does take good a picture, although using a small tripod gets the best results. This is far from idea for a phone, but just resting the phone on something solid dramtically imporves the picture.
The focusing seems to be better if you turn off 'object tracking' and although HDR is supposed to be automatic in the auto mode, I tend to shoot in manual with HDR enabled. The predictive capture is a good & useful tool. I wasn't sure when I first saw it introduced, but it does a burst shot when it gets triggered by a smile and dramtically increases your chances of getting a great picture.
My favorite post proccessing app is SKRWT. I love taking landscapes and this is great for straightening things or there are some funky mirror effects.
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What about the resolution? Many people avoid the 19MP resolution for different reasons.
doriandiaconu said:
What about the resolution? Many people avoid the 19MP resolution for different reasons.
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19MP is the only resolution. It's the native size of the sensor, meaning you get one=one. Anything else is derived from a software interpretation.
People seem to be obsessed by letterbox, perhaps because that's the way they watch TV. If you don't like the square shape of a 19MP picture, then edit it afterwards, but a least get the best quality you can to start with.
I've taken some decent shots with Open Camera. I like its DRO mode (dynamic range optimization). Haven't had much luck with stock camera app, although I'm a fan of the wide angle selfie camera.
the camera is good not more... not a lot of choices in creative mode, iA can't be customized, "macro" focus at 10 cm... at least it's pretty fast
I use the stock app, mainly in manual mode without object tracking (with that setting on I find the focus is a little inaccurate, maybe just an impression).
Overall i would say the app has all you need to take a photo plus a couple of nice features (like autofocus burst mode and predictive capture).
Any tips on what kind of exposure and ISO to use in manual mode? My pics always come out blurry.
Edit: For example, would the tips here apply? https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-xz/how-to/xperia-xz-camera-how-to-optimize-manual-t3534640
Sounds like most people are saying choose a low ISO and EV a little below 1.
I'm particularly interested in tips or settings that don't require a tripod, because I don't own one. And I think it's unrealistic to expect people to use a tripod to take decent phone pics.
I had a big night shootout in Frankfurt with XZ1c and Galaxy s8. Im not good in photography and all shoots are in Auto mode. Couple of shoots are manipulated in Adobe Lightroom in Auto light and color corections. They names started with LLR....
What You think?
https://photos.app.goo.gl/YUQIYsKXGg5tGugK2
propov said:
I had a big night shootout in Frankfurt with XZ1c and Galaxy s8. Im not good in photography and all shoots are in Auto mode. Couple of shoots are manipulated in Adobe Lightroom in Auto light and color corections. They names started with LLR....
What You think?
https://photos.app.goo.gl/YUQIYsKXGg5tGugK2
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I'm no photography expert, but I could see the difference instantly on most of these. The XZ1c photos were blurry and seemed improperly exposed. The S8 wasn't perfect, but it was generally a lot sharper. This basically mirrors my experience with the XZ1c and my previous phone that had a better camera, HTC 10.
Has anyone installed AOSP and got the Pixel's camera apk working on the xz1c? This is my main motivation for going the root -> rom route.
Take a picture of a green lawn or of leafy trees, and there's often an unpleasant, slightly smeary watercolor-like effect. Is it possible that using another camera application would prevent this processing effect?
Hello,
I am sorry in case this has been covered so far. I did not find it.
I have a custom ROM (RR6), but would like to use the stock Camera mainly for the slow motion 960fps video recording. It seems to be possible via this topic:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/cr...-apps/app-xperia-xzs-panorama-camera-t3577514
But even if it worked, it would replace the custom ROM's Camera, which I'd like to keep. Is there a way to run these two Cameras side by side?
Or should I use another 3rd party app that does the slo-mo job?
Thanks a lot for anz advidce!
vhatp said:
Hello,
I am sorry in case this has been covered so far. I did not find it.
I have a custom ROM (RR6), but would like to use the stock Camera mainly for the slow motion 960fps video recording. It seems to be possible via this topic:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/cr...-apps/app-xperia-xzs-panorama-camera-t3577514
But even if it worked, it would replace the custom ROM's Camera, which I'd like to keep. Is there a way to run these two Cameras side by side?
Or should I use another 3rd party app that does the slo-mo job?
Thanks a lot for anz advidce!
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yea thats my concern as well. I am not sure if drm fix can re-enable the 960fps slow mo or is it gone for good after unlocking bootloader. If only we can get gcam and stock camera run together
I've been using the A70 for about a week. I interacted with some A70 owners and they said that the phone had 8MP main camera and not the 32MP main camera. I gave a try to some hardware info apps and all showed 8MP camera at the back and 5.2MP camera on the front. What's wrong here? The phone is showing wrong info or it just has an 8MP camera. Can everyone confirm this?
I have also made a video on it. I'm just trying to get an answer from all the Galaxy A70 owners about their experience with this phone.
You can check it here: https://youtu.be/tOM9oNWV_rQ
I wish I'm wrong on this, Everyone please drop your comments.
No, it really is a 32mp camera module. Samsung, for whatever reason, have crammed the 32mp option in a submenu inside the camera app. Tap on the format button and choose 3:4H. Now you'll be able to use the full resolution of the camera.
Just be aware that - I don't know why - HDR does not work in 32mp mode.
All I can say is that pictures taken in low light conditions are amongst the worst I have seen. Absolutely terrible picture quality worthy of a 100$ budget phone not a premium 400$ phone.
Even my 3 years old A9 Pro 2016 has better low light capability.
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All I can say is that pictures taken in low light conditions are amongst the worst I have seen. Absolutely terrible picture quality worthy of a 100$ budget phone not a premium 400$ phone.
Even my 3 years old A9 Pro 2016 has better low light capability.
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I second that. I don't know why Samsung had to cripple their camera module this hard via software. Using Gcam though, the camera does produce great results in low light!
Irrespective of MP number, picture quality isn't great for sub $400 phone. Can they fix with software update? or need to change phone?
um009 said:
I've been using the A70 for about a week. I interacted with some A70 owners and they said that the phone had 8MP main camera and not the 32MP main camera. I gave a try to some hardware info apps and all showed 8MP camera at the back and 5.2MP camera on the front. What's wrong here? The phone is showing wrong info or it just has an 8MP camera. Can everyone confirm this?
I have also made a video on it. I'm just trying to get an answer from all the Galaxy A70 owners about their experience with this phone.
I wish I'm wrong on this, Everyone please drop your comments.
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I actually wrote a post about this, didn´t see yours, was too eager to write my first post here I guess. The camera uses a new Samsung technology which only works if you choose 4:3H aspect ratio, there is no way to choose file size for each respective ratio. The pictures are hardware 4 x 8MP rendered and since the technology is new all third party camera and HW info apps only view the 8 MP .. not the x4 tetracell technology which works and is implemented in an abysmal manner.
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Jason379 said:
No, it really is a 32mp camera module. Samsung, for whatever reason, have crammed the 32mp option in a submenu inside the camera app. Tap on the format button and choose 3:4H. Now you'll be able to use the full resolution of the camera.
Just be aware that - I don't know why - HDR does not work in 32mp mode.
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What if one usually only uses 16:9 aspect ratio? .. limited to 8 MP? ... I call that false advertising.
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I second that. I don't know why Samsung had to cripple their camera module this hard via software. Using Gcam though, the camera does produce great results in low light!
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Can you tell us wich version of Gcam u use, and where to find it ?
Edit: See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0D1U0aSgKE for example.
Seems like at the moment Gcam is only better for taking photo's in low light......
Snoete said:
Can you tell us wich version of Gcam u use, and where to find it ?
Edit: See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0D1U0aSgKE for example.
Seems like at the moment Gcam is only better for taking photo's in low light......
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Hi,
I used this version of Gcam:
S10_1_MGC_6.1.021_BSG_Arnova_TlnNeun_V1.3.030119.0 645.apk
You can find it on Androidfilehost, for example. Works like a charm on my A70. Lots of settings are actually possible - just don't try to 'force 4K on front camera' mode - it'll make the app crash all the time. Other than that, Gcam really is way better than the stock camera app and HDR+ works really really good, too. Only downside - pics are limited to 8MP at the moment, but when using RAW, it's not a big deal at all.
Jason379 said:
Hi,
I used this version of Gcam:
S10_1_MGC_6.1.021_BSG_Arnova_TlnNeun_V1.3.030119.0 645.apk
You can find it on Androidfilehost, for example. Works like a charm on my A70. Lots of settings are actually possible - just don't try to 'force 4K on front camera' mode - it'll make the app crash all the time. Other than that, Gcam really is way better than the stock camera app and HDR+ works really really good, too. Only downside - pics are limited to 8MP at the moment, but when using RAW, it's not a big deal at all.
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I downloaded the samd apk, does your night mode shots also crash the app ?
Download this Gcam mod to get full working night mode on the A70:
MGC_6.1.021_MI8_V2e
https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=1395089523397887533
Make sure you make a few necessary changes in app settings by following this video:
https://youtu.be/0cRMt39V8Po
Getting great low light shots with this mod. Other Apks crash when taking a photo in night mode.
Hi,
I must say that, whatever the causes, the pictures taken by this device are simply horrible.
I am not one of those so called photographers that is looking for the absolute colour reproduction and the sharpness of 10X real life.
I just want to have some pictures for moments I want to remember.
But even for that, this device doesn't do the job
All pictures are blurry, out of focus...
I can't even set the picture quality in the settings of the camera app.
I just can set the aspect ratio (in the Photo part) and the video resolution in the settings.
But no way to set the number of pixels I want for the pictures.
That is another dark side of this device that looked so promising on paper but doesn't deliver at all.
So goes Samsung... and device will be sent back to Amazon.
NexusPenguin said:
Hi,
I must say that, whatever the causes, the pictures taken by this device are simply horrible.
I am not one of those so called photographers that is looking for the absolute colour reproduction and the sharpness of 10X real life.
I just want to have some pictures for moments I want to remember.
But even for that, this device doesn't do the job
All pictures are blurry, out of focus...
I can't even set the picture quality in the settings of the camera app.
I just can set the aspect ratio (in the Photo part) and the video resolution in the settings.
But no way to set the number of pixels I want for the pictures.
That is another dark side of this device that looked so promising on paper but doesn't deliver at all.
So goes Samsung... and device will be sent back to Amazon.
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Agreed, this phones's cameras suck.
You can choose high resolution mode (32mp) by tapping on the small 3:4 button then choosing 3:4H (H stands for high quality or high resolution).
There is an update rolling in India right now which promises to improve camera quality.
Sufyan3D said:
Agreed, this phones's cameras suck.
You can choose high resolution mode (32mp) by tapping on the small 3:4 button then choosing 3:4H (H stands for high quality or high resolution).
There is an update rolling in India right now which promises to improve camera quality.
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Sounds very promising. In the meantime, use the app 'open camera' for 100% JPG quality or even full size RAW output. It's got fully manual controls, too.
Yes, it looks like camera software improvements are coming soon:
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_pushes_first_software_update_for_the_galaxy_a70-news-37147.php
We'll have to wait to see how much it's improved...
SAMSUNG A70 CAMERA Poor Quality images and videos
I just bought Samsung a70, and the camera gives very poor images for 738 kb sizes only. I bought that mobile from samsung site, how to return the mobile. any help.
i am more than disappointed with the main camera...it is below any standards for modern phones...even my no name chinese phone couple of years old is making better photos....it is a shame for samsung to produce such half hearted pathetic camera...photos are smudgy, soft, and lack sharpness...auto focus is sluggish and in most cases you don't know is it even work...my old phone has clear green square signs all over screen which shows if photo is in focus or not, here you don't know what is going on...samsung is trying to impress all of us with 32mp number, but it is pathetic as well...i have tried some of the gcam camera and results are clearly better....so, it is obvious samsung is treating customers badly and sell them inferior camera not only to direct competition regarding price, but camera which is even worse than cameras in 50 dollars no name chinese phones...to say i am feeling cheated is understatement...
to be honest, live focus/blur/portrait mode is doing very good job?? how come? it looks like samsung is artificially made camera bad and not even try to make things better through software changes...
i would like to hear your thoughts about it? are you feeling cheated and disappointed about main camera in a70?
Tactman said:
i am more than disappointed with the main camera...it is below any standards for modern phones...even my no name chinese phone couple of years old is making better photos....it is a shame for samsung to produce such half hearted pathetic camera...photos are smudgy, soft, and lack sharpness...auto focus is sluggish and in most cases you don't know is it even work...my old phone has clear green square signs all over screen which shows if photo is in focus or not, here you don't know what is going on...samsung is trying to impress all of us with 32mp number, but it is pathetic as well...i have tried some of the gcam camera and results are clearly better....so, it is obvious samsung is treating customers badly and sell them inferior camera not only to direct competition regarding price, but camera which is even worse than cameras in 50 dollars no name chinese phones...to say i am feeling cheated is understatement...
to be honest, live focus/blur/portrait mode is doing very good job?? how come? it looks like samsung is artificially made camera bad and not even try to make things better through software changes...
i would like to hear your thoughts about it? are you feeling cheated and disappointed about main camera in a70?
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Back camera is simply bad.
Front camera is very good and specially in night. All I would like to change in that phone is the back camera which I do not really understand why Samsung are doing this....
Samsung A70 32MP camera (top camera) is not working
All cameras the 8MP, 5MP and the front camera are working. Im sure they are working because I tried blocking each one depending on settings. But I cant seem to find the settings on how will the top camera will work. I tried the 3:4H ratio already but its the middle camera that is being utilized. For the wide angle, it is the bottom back camera. How can I utilize the top camera at the back?
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All cameras the 8MP, 5MP and the front camera are working. Im sure they are working because I tried blocking each one depending on settings. But I cant seem to find the settings on how will the top camera will work. I tried the 3:4H ratio already but its the middle camera that is being utilized. For the wide angle, it is the bottom back camera. How can I utilize the top camera at the back?
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well, top camera's job is depth. You can use it with live focus.
32MP one is in the middle of them. It's the main camera.
And bottom camera is wide angle as you knew.
NexusPenguin said:
Hi,
I must say that, whatever the causes, the pictures taken by this device are simply horrible.
I am not one of those so called photographers that is looking for the absolute colour reproduction and the sharpness of 10X real life.
I just want to have some pictures for moments I want to remember.
But even for that, this device doesn't do the job
All pictures are blurry, out of focus...
I can't even set the picture quality in the settings of the camera app.
I just can set the aspect ratio (in the Photo part) and the video resolution in the settings.
But no way to set the number of pixels I want for the pictures.
That is another dark side of this device that looked so promising on paper but doesn't deliver at all.
So goes Samsung... and device will be sent back to Amazon.
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this phone a70 is a total lie.
it has a 8 magapixel awful camera.
it is absolutely not 32 megapixel by hardware. maybe it is 32 megapixel by software.
photos have no details, overprocessed, photos are washed out. like a watercolor paint. there are no textures. all textures are washed out.
colors are either too washy or either too bright.
low light performance is among the worst.
SAMSUNG, DO YOU KNOW THE WORD CALIBRATION???
and by 6 months this lier company released to market after A10,A20,A30,A40,A50,A60,A70,A80,A90 the s variants.
A10s,A20s,A30s,A40s,A50s,A60s,A70s etc.
now they have released the 1 variants.
A11,A21,A31,A41,A61,A71 etc etc
this samsung company is a total lier. hoax company.
trying to dominate the market by flooding with fake phones almost all the same hardware... market lies.
incomplete products, incomplete software, full of bugs, full of bloatware...
and i forgot they have the M10,M20,M30 as well as M20s,M30s....
pufffff LIER HOAX COMPANY SAMSUNG.
Hi everyone,
After a stint in the world of OnePlus, I'm finally back on Made by Google Device, and am wondering what to use for photos in Gcam. HDR+ or HDR+ Enhanced. From an initial trial, there is a definite difference, but deciding what is actually better is a bit hard for me right now. Any advice? There is an older thread about this somewhere that never delivered a conclusive answer.
HDR+ standard seems a bit faster and brighter IMHO... but Enhanced might have better colours...?
CommanderROR said:
Hi everyone,
After a stint in the world of OnePlus, I'm finally back on Made by Google Device, and am wondering what to use for photos in Gcam. HDR+ or HDR+ Enhanced. From an initial trial, there is a definite difference, but deciding what is actually better is a bit hard for me right now. Any advice? There is an older thread about this somewhere that never delivered a conclusive answer.
HDR+ standard seems a bit faster and brighter IMHO... but Enhanced might have better colours...?
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No idea, but I use HDR+ Emhanced, because in reality if its not better then why the f is it there. Lol
Honest question, are any third party cameras better than the stock camera? I've always assumed the stock camera was as good as it gets - especially using nightsight.
Edit - I guess by gcam you all really meant the stock Google camera. Sometimes I'm just slow....... I had to change my settings for this option to show up.
From what I can tell, HDR+ enhanced allows colors to pop a bit more with its dynamic range. However, as a result of this, it takes slightly longer to take the photo. I think it's best used in situations with lots of light. Anything with the non-ideal light tends to not have an advantage. I could be wrong on all of this, but those are just my impressions.
With HDR+ it takes multiple underexposed photos and combines them to increase dynamic range, this is faster than the classic method but cant create as strong an effect. With HDR enhanced your taking standard, under, and over exposed photos and combing them which is the classic method and how most phones do it. This will give better/more enhancement but is slower as it requires more processing time. You'll have to experiment to decide which works better for you. The only thing I notice is taking pics of kids or other fast moving targets can go better with HDR+ when taking multiple photos quickly. Other than that I get what are sometimes what I would consider over processed photos either way. Any how, that's whats going on with the two settings.
Hi all,
This may be in the too soon to tell or no one knows category of question but "Does anyone know if there will be GCam mods on the Pixel 6Pro GCam to further improve it's capabilities like is the case with the ports to other phones?"
rav101 said:
Hi all,
This may be in the too soon to tell or no one knows category of question but "Does anyone know if there will be GCam mods on the Pixel 6Pro GCam to further improve it's capabilities like is the case with the ports to other phones?"
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the gcam mods there to enable software features that are not-authorized for older or off-brand phones? Wouldn't really give you anything for the P6 since its the newest and has all the new super magic features already.
96carboard said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the gcam mods there to enable software features that are not-authorized for older or off-brand phones? Wouldn't really give you anything for the P6 since its the newest and has all the new super magic features already.
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Yeah I'm not sure if what they do with gcam takes any of its features and dials up the scale to eleven and therefore would add value on the main Pixel device of the time.
I'm happy either way because as you say, the latest pixel already has amazing goodies!
I loved the modded GCAM on my Pixel 3, because it allowed me to dial down the noise reduction and sharpening for the JPEGs. As the Pixel 6 is again guilty of, the stock JPEGs do not even come close to the level of detail the DNG files allow. But with those tweaks, I did not need to go to lightroom with most pictures, that I deemed important. 95% came out great with the modded GCAM.
I really cannot wait for someone to make this possible for Pixel 6. Such great hardware, such a baaad set up JPEG engine.
I put this on similar threads; it's important that as many people as possible make themselves heard. All of you concerned about the jpeg over-processing issue, please weigh in here, so that Google can see our complaints: https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/208860802
The more people who post, the more likely the complaint will be noticed. (Sorry if this appears to be spam; it's strategic.)
Gnaius said:
I put this on similar threads; it's important that as many people as possible make themselves heard. All of you concerned about the jpeg over-processing issue, please weigh in here, so that Google can see our complaints: https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/208860802
The more people who post, the more likely the complaint will be noticed. (Sorry if this appears to be spam; it's strategic.)
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I honestly don't think that gooble gives a damn. There are issues in that system that are over a decade old with tens of thousands of responses that have not been addressed.
There's a gcam mod for pixel devices only that works very well.
Has lovely b&w mode and swaps to zoom cam.
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-MWP/f/dl14/
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I honestly don't think that gooble gives a damn. There are issues in that system that are over a decade old with tens of thousands of responses that have not been addressed.
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And your Aosp Is better?
96carboard said:
I honestly don't think that gooble gives a damn. There are issues in that system that are over a decade old with tens of thousands of responses that have not been addressed.
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You may be right, but you may not. That page *seems* to be monitored: someone, for instance, has established a hierarchy of priorities. Is this smoke and mirrors? Maybe. But Google gets their bug reports from somewhere, and why wouldn't this be the place?
Also, this new report gives me a tiny bit of hope. On the list of 100 or so fixes in the December update you find this one, specific to the Pixel 6 and 6 Pro:
General image quality improvements in camera preview/capture.
(@Golf c — I had to look up that acronym. I take it you're referring to the American Society of Orthopedic Professionals?)
I purchased the pro and had to return it due to prinicple on the 48 mp being marketed as un-Binned, But it is... but stayed with the 6 because i wanted a new phone over the pixel 2. The pixel 2 camera is in every pixel since it but the 6 and pro.
Day after day i sent this as feedback in my camera app and in the system. If they did care they would have released it with options for all its features... what they want to do is not have yoy recoding and uploading to social media 4k videos that those systems cannot afford to host your needlessly high detail on a day to day.
this is the fedback i sent: "
Pixel 6
Google Camera App Feature Request:
"Enable options to output Photo file resolutions equaling near 50 megapixels OR 100 megapixels for main camera sensor."
"Options to take full resolution photo."
"Output file resolutions larger than 12.5 megapixels."
"Options to disable Pixel Binning."
Samsung clearly stated the sensor is capable of output at these resolutions, source:
"Samsung Electronics, a world leader in advanced semiconductor technology, today introduced Samsung ISOCELL GN1, a new 50-megapixel (Mp) image sensor with large 1.2μm-sized pixels. The ISOCELL GN1 is Samsung’s first image sensor to offer both Dual Pixel and Tetracell technologies. Thanks to the relatively larger pixel size, the GN1 brings image sensor performance to a new level with a combination of elevated light sensitivity for stellar low-light photos and DSLR-level auto-focus speeds, optimized for more dynamic picture-taking experiences.
“With innovative pixel technologies, Samsung has been at the forefront of offering high-performance image sensors that closely cater to increasingly diversifying market needs. The ISOCELL GN1 is part of that commitment to deliver stunning images to consumers in any environment,” said Yongin Park, executive vice president of sensor business at Samsung Electronics. “We will continue to introduce image sensor solutions at the cutting-edge that will lead the next trends in mobile photography.”
Creating desirable images is an indispensable element for today’s smartphone users who are well accustomed to visually grasping and cherishing special moments, wherever they are. To address various imaging preferences of the users, some smartphone makers put more emphasis on extremely detailed images with ultra-high resolutions, while some choose bigger pixels for bright results in low-light environments. The new Samsung ISOCELL GN1 fulfills these multiple needs at once with Dual Pixel and Tetracell technologies.
The GN1 brings best-in-class auto-focusing with 100 million phase detection auto-focus (PDAF) agents. Samsung’s Dual Pixel technology places two photodiodes side-by-side within a single pixel that can receive light from different angles for phase detection. With all of the sensor’s active pixels working as auto-focusing agents, the GN1 can detect and focus onto a desired still or moving object from every corner in an instant, even in low-light conditions. When capturing images, a single pixel output is created by merging the outputs from the two photodiodes within the pixel. Samsung also provides a software algorithm that takes light information from each photodiode to produce image resolutions comparable to 100Mp.
For ultimate low-light photography, the GN1 adopts Tetracell technology, a pixel-merging technique that improves the pixels’ capacity to capture and process more light. By binning four pixel signals into one, Tetracell doubles the image sensor’s pixel size to 2.4μm and quadruples the light sensitivity to take brighter 12.5Mp photographs. With improved light sensitivity combined with a powerful auto-focusing solution, the GN1 is able to focus on an object quickly even in extreme low-light environment to deliver both brighter and sharper results.
In addition to Dual Pixel and Tetracell technologies, the GN1 comes with Smart-ISO that intelligently selects the optimal ISO, real-time HDR that captures the scene in multiple exposures simultaneously, and gyro-based electronic image stabilization (EIS) that takes sharp images and video even when in motion. For premium video quality, the image sensor supports video recording at up to 8K resolution at 30 frames-per-second (fps)."
https://news.samsung.com/global/sam...with-faster-auto-focusing-and-brighter-images
AND
"Instantly lock in on an area or object and produce sharp images in motion-packed situations. Dual Pixel technology accelerates the speed and boosts the precision of ISOCELL GN1’s autofocus capabilities, making it simpler for users to get clear and crisp pictures. Each pixel in the 50MP image sensor carries two photodiodes, allowing the component to execute ultra-fast autofocus and capture moving objects no matter where they are in the frame. Also, ISOCELL GN1 takes light information from each photodiode to produce a 100MP resolution photograph by a software algorithm."
https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/isocell/mobile-image-sensors/isocell-gn1/"
do you think me sending this did anything?
likely a little. but yes it is true that the squeaky wheel gets the oil. if those who don't like it dont speak up then well that is how it will be accepted to be.
whenever google releases the ai bots to build the phone based on what all this feedback should lead them to understand is when you will have a top of the line device built by them... until then they are making budget devices still.
but from my research samsung has locked google out of the software required to complete the upscaling algorithm etc etc. that wasnt in google and samsungs contract or some other bull, becasue it can clearly do it as the manufacture boosts
"produces an output comparable to" does not mean "produces an output of"
This said, though, a 50MP un-binned option in the camera settings would've been cool
Solomon M said:
I purchased the pro and had to return it due to prinicple on the 48 mp being marketed as un-Binned, But it is... but stayed with the 6 because i wanted a new phone over the pixel 2. The pixel 2 camera is in every pixel since it but the 6 and pro.
Day after day i sent this as feedback in my camera app and in the system. If they did care they would have released it with options for all its features... what they want to do is not have yoy recoding and uploading to social media 4k videos that those systems cannot afford to host your needlessly high detail on a day to day.
this is the fedback i sent: "
Pixel 6
Google Camera App Feature Request:
"Enable options to output Photo file resolutions equaling near 50 megapixels OR 100 megapixels for main camera sensor."
"Options to take full resolution photo."
"Output file resolutions larger than 12.5 megapixels."
"Options to disable Pixel Binning."
Samsung clearly stated the sensor is capable of output at these resolutions, source:
"Samsung Electronics, a world leader in advanced semiconductor technology, today introduced Samsung ISOCELL GN1, a new 50-megapixel (Mp) image sensor with large 1.2μm-sized pixels. The ISOCELL GN1 is Samsung’s first image sensor to offer both Dual Pixel and Tetracell technologies. Thanks to the relatively larger pixel size, the GN1 brings image sensor performance to a new level with a combination of elevated light sensitivity for stellar low-light photos and DSLR-level auto-focus speeds, optimized for more dynamic picture-taking experiences.
“With innovative pixel technologies, Samsung has been at the forefront of offering high-performance image sensors that closely cater to increasingly diversifying market needs. The ISOCELL GN1 is part of that commitment to deliver stunning images to consumers in any environment,” said Yongin Park, executive vice president of sensor business at Samsung Electronics. “We will continue to introduce image sensor solutions at the cutting-edge that will lead the next trends in mobile photography.”
Creating desirable images is an indispensable element for today’s smartphone users who are well accustomed to visually grasping and cherishing special moments, wherever they are. To address various imaging preferences of the users, some smartphone makers put more emphasis on extremely detailed images with ultra-high resolutions, while some choose bigger pixels for bright results in low-light environments. The new Samsung ISOCELL GN1 fulfills these multiple needs at once with Dual Pixel and Tetracell technologies.
The GN1 brings best-in-class auto-focusing with 100 million phase detection auto-focus (PDAF) agents. Samsung’s Dual Pixel technology places two photodiodes side-by-side within a single pixel that can receive light from different angles for phase detection. With all of the sensor’s active pixels working as auto-focusing agents, the GN1 can detect and focus onto a desired still or moving object from every corner in an instant, even in low-light conditions. When capturing images, a single pixel output is created by merging the outputs from the two photodiodes within the pixel. Samsung also provides a software algorithm that takes light information from each photodiode to produce image resolutions comparable to 100Mp.
For ultimate low-light photography, the GN1 adopts Tetracell technology, a pixel-merging technique that improves the pixels’ capacity to capture and process more light. By binning four pixel signals into one, Tetracell doubles the image sensor’s pixel size to 2.4μm and quadruples the light sensitivity to take brighter 12.5Mp photographs. With improved light sensitivity combined with a powerful auto-focusing solution, the GN1 is able to focus on an object quickly even in extreme low-light environment to deliver both brighter and sharper results.
In addition to Dual Pixel and Tetracell technologies, the GN1 comes with Smart-ISO that intelligently selects the optimal ISO, real-time HDR that captures the scene in multiple exposures simultaneously, and gyro-based electronic image stabilization (EIS) that takes sharp images and video even when in motion. For premium video quality, the image sensor supports video recording at up to 8K resolution at 30 frames-per-second (fps)."
https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-introduces-1-2μm-50mp-isocell-gn1-with-faster-auto-focusing-and-brighter-images
AND
"Instantly lock in on an area or object and produce sharp images in motion-packed situations. Dual Pixel technology accelerates the speed and boosts the precision of ISOCELL GN1’s autofocus capabilities, making it simpler for users to get clear and crisp pictures. Each pixel in the 50MP image sensor carries two photodiodes, allowing the component to execute ultra-fast autofocus and capture moving objects no matter where they are in the frame. Also, ISOCELL GN1 takes light information from each photodiode to produce a 100MP resolution photograph by a software algorithm."
https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/isocell/mobile-image-sensors/isocell-gn1/"
do you think me sending this did anything?
likely a little. but yes it is true that the squeaky wheel gets the oil. if those who don't like it dont speak up then well that is how it will be accepted to be.
whenever google releases the ai bots to build the phone based on what all this feedback should lead them to understand is when you will have a top of the line device built by them... until then they are making budget devices still.
but from my research samsung has locked google out of the software required to complete the upscaling algorithm etc etc. that wasnt in google and samsungs contract or some other bull, becasue it can clearly do it as the manufacture boosts
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Dude I think you just need to buy an DSLR pal lol
kevinireland11 said:
Dude I think you just need to buy an DSLR pal lol
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Or, yall could hold these clearly capable companies, to the quality you expect from them.... And unless you do, & many more, do you think they have incentive to put all we want and need in a single device?:
IRDA current optimized for mobile
Wi-Fi a,b,g,n,ac,ax or current hotspot etc etc
Cellular 1,2,3,4,5G
Bluetooth ...that is current tech
Indestructible
Easily repairable for minimal loss to recycle / replace
Etc
A camera [ ...that is current tech and enough pixels that the other binned method could be used in low light or set to max resolution as in "un-binned" which is not just software. Google please give us a capable, quality, customizable camera (like you did with the Pixel 2), then plenty of options to be able to get the image we desire. ]
Etc
NFC etc
FM radio
AM radio
Fm & AM Transmitter
Built-in compatibility for universal Bluetooth keyboard/mouse HID for universal function without dongle...
I dream too big right.... Least I'm not asking for a clear foldable sheet of plastic that is 30 +yrs from now.
Realistically all this capable hardware could be easily implemented into a single device... Even the psp 1000 had IRDA ...
Like whoever holds these patients preventing this hardware from being given to the consumer, a real device capable of what science has to offer (dream bigger with the device you use everyday, and make it know you'd like a feature like ip68, 1080p, but what about all the rest... Where is the build your own cell phones? ...Some people might not like what weight is required for each component:
Image a Google kiosk where you'd like to upgrade your phone:
1: You use you current phone to pay when you get there with nfc
2. You insert your phone.
3. Select the on screen available components and watch it remove the back and upgrade it with robotic arms as you commit the changes.
4. Spits back out your newly upgraded device, same screen if you didn't choose to replace it etc etc.
https://www.onearmy.earth/project/phonebloks
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Ara
... one that has a magnet in a coil like those flashlights so to charge you shake it..... Come on people let the ai build it test it in the lab then after multiple continued test release the device to manufacturing... The human brains should start pioneering after they correctly test the ai to their knowledge for integrity. Other than how to see the connections upon all the branches of science to one another shouldn't be hard with access to the resources an ai would.
GOOGLE AND ANYONE ELSE: COVID-19 IS OVER: GET BACK TO BEING SERIOUS ABOUT YOUR QUALITY OF WORK. WE ALL DEPEND ON EACH OTHER TO SURVIVE.
The fact is if we really wanted some futuristic technology in our hand, we have to start requesting it, and not buy otherwise.
We have cool stuff now, I'm excited to see what options we will have when I'm old.
Consider these two:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Voyager (Nov 2007)
https://www.samsung.com/us/smartphones/galaxy-z-flip4/ (current)
Great improvement but while looking at current trends doesn't look like much from the Fold3 & 4.
Solomon M said:
Or you all could hold these clearly capable companies to the quality you expect from them.... And unless you do, & many more, do you think they have incentive to put all we want and need in a single device:
IRDA current optimized for mobile
Wi-Fi a,b,g,n,ac,ax or current hotspot etc etc
Cellular 1,2,3,4,5G
Bluetooth ...that is current tech
Indestructible
Easily repairable for minimal loss to recycle / replace
Etc
A camera [ ...that is current tech and enough pixels that the other binned method could be used in low light or set to max resolution as in "un-binned" which is not just software. Google please give us a real camera, then plenty of options to be able to get the image we desire. ]
Etc
FM radio
AM radio
Fm & AM Transmitter
Bluetooth keyboard HID built-in for universal keyboard function...
I dream too big right.... Least I'm not asking for a clear foldable sheet of plastic that is 30 +yrs from now.
Realistically all this capable hardware could be easily implemented into a single device... Even the psp 1000 had IRDA ...
Like whoever holds these patients preventing this hardware form being given to the consumer, a real device .. one that has a magnet in a coil like those flashlights so to charge you shake it..... Come on people let the ai build it test it in the lab then after multiple continued test release the device to manufacturing... The human brains should start pioneering after they correctly test the ai to their knowledge for integrity. Other than how to see the connections upon all the branches of science to one another shouldn't be hard with access to the resources a ai would.
GOOGLE AND ANYONE ELSE: COVID-19 IS OVER GET BACK TO BEING SERIOUS ABOUT YOUR JOB. WE ALL DEPEND ON EACH OTHER TO SURVIVE.
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You never listened to "The Trees" by Rush before. Have you. Like. Heard it? That's possible...but have you listened to it.
That's why.
I have an idea:
People are intelligent enough to constantly do the bare minimum and still get the reward.
Logic says why would they care, since they are still getting the reward if they produce **** or gold.
Solomon M said:
Oh I know what it is:
People are intelligent enough to constantly do the bare minimum and still get the reward.
Logic says why would they care, since they are still getting the reward if they produce **** or gold.
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Don't get me wrong, in a matter of fact:
"Google is my favorite company."
"If Google made each device like the Pixel 2: I would save for it every year, attempt to purchase it, and be excited for it."
--to do this would be a total waste of resources and time, unless they make the parts then cover them in a nanofilm to protect from water --all the internal components, then manufacture those parts to be easily changed and upgraded, But then also actively want them back and expect them back so as to recycle and then reuse the clearly not yet broken parts.... Idk just seems like to me there could be a cycle instead of a line.
rav101 said:
Hi all,
This may be in the too soon to tell or no one knows category of question but "Does anyone know if there will be GCam mods on the Pixel 6Pro GCam to further improve it's capabilities like is the case with the ports to other phones?"
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What I have found is the gcam modded APK here:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-MWP/
I use the beta 3 app because the beta 4 & 5 keep crashing.
Then I set a bunch of custom stuff in the settings to output an average file size of 7.5mb compared to the stock 1.9mb .
I also specifically did not diable the Pixel 6 default camera app because the updates are done internal to the app and I believe it benefits the modded Gcam app, but I Turn Off permission to "modify system settings" for the default camera app ...
I have cleared the data on the gcam modded app multiple times but it is worth it.
Here is the config. But I hon know how to import the config [attached file.]
I do not work with these files and do not know if it will work for you. But if not and you'd like more info I could attempt to list out all my changes after a data clear for the beta 3 I use which fixes a bunch AND WITHOUT ROOT.
Use determination and figure out the best settings for yourself... If you're serious about it then figure it out & then you let me (us) know so we can get images we want as well.
Solomon M said:
What I have found is the gcam modded APK here:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-MWP/
I use the beta 3 app because the beta 4 & 5 keep crashing.
Then I set a bunch of custom stuff in the settings to output an average file size of 7.5mb compared to the stock 1.9mb .
I also specifically did not diable the Pixel 6 default camera app because the updates are done internal to the app and I believe it benefits the modded Gcam app, but I Turn Off permission to "modify system settings" for the default camera app ...
I have cleared the data on the gcam modded app multiple times but it is worth it.
Here is the config. But I hon know how to import the config [attached file.]
I do not work with these files and do not know if it will work for you. But if not and you'd like more info I could attempt to list out all my changes after a data clear for the beta 3 I use which fixes a bunch AND WITHOUT ROOT.
Use determination and figure out the best settings for yourself... If you're serious about it then figure it out & then you let me (us) know so we can get images we want as well.
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I can't install it to the .xml, could you send screenshots of your configuration. Thank you very much!
EDIT> there I could thank you!
nicobonavento said:
I can't install it to the .xml, could you send screenshots of your configuration. Thank you very much!
EDIT> there I could thank you!
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Yeah sure, here is images of settings and etc.
Hope this helps.
This isn't the best, likely. I am still toying with it to find what I find works best for me.
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Okay, I've been experimenting for months, and these are by far the best setting I've come up with. I'm now doing professional work with this phone, and when it comes to wide-angle images, my editors often prefer the Pixel 6 Pro photos to similar shots taken with a DSLR. (I don't tell them which is which.) The fact is that very few wide-angle lenses on a conventional camera — even the most expensive — can compete with a phone when it comes to distortion, edge sharpness, etc.