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ZE550KL/SD615/3GB vs ZE550ML?

I am a casual gamer and battery life is pretty important for me. I was waiting for 5.1 update for ZF2 before buying ZE550ML. However I noticed that the ZE550KL (Laser) with Snapdragon 615 and 3GB RAM is almost the same price. Would this be a better buy for me? Anyone having used both the chipsets can give their experience.

Gustapo said:
I am a casual gamer and battery life is pretty important for me. I was waiting for 5.1 update for ZF2 before buying ZE550ML. However I noticed that the ZE550KL (Laser) with Snapdragon 615 and 3GB RAM is almost the same price. Would this be a better buy for me? Anyone having used both the chipsets can give their experience.
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The idol 3 runs that processor while have 2gb of ram and it has stutters and lag. And the idol 3 is basically stock android and not heavily skinned like the 550.
but since its using a snapdragon instead of the Intel like the other models. I don't know if there will be any root or custom roms for the laser model if that is something you can wait for then go for the cheapest one you can get.

903tex said:
The idol 3 runs that processor while have 2gb of ram and it has stutters and lag. And the idol 3 is basically stock android and not heavily skinned like the 550.
but since its using a snapdragon instead of the Intel like the other models. I don't know if there will be any root or custom roms for the laser model if that is something you can wait for then go for the cheapest one you can get.
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Better recheck those specs for the ZE550KL as it has only 2GB of RAM not 3GB

Next Phone?

What phone do you suggest for the future? I'm disappointed with Zenfone 2 ZE551ML 4GB, bad materials, bad support, ridiculous battery life and bad space management (phone is too big).
My priority are battery (not necessary a battery phone, but at least 6-7 hours of display), good camera (I want support for real slow motion, not the ZF2 one ) , good design (I would prefer a 5-5.2") and good software support.
My budget is 400€ and I need phones that I can found on Amazon (so don't suggest me phones like OP3 that are on Amazon at 100€ more).
Thanks

I was thinking about ZUK Z2 & Z2 Pro as my next phone after ZF2. Generally because it's smaller than 5.5" and probably should have similar performance.
This choice is made based on specifications from the web. I still need to check some reviews for this phone.
Maybe someone can say anything about this phone?

Or Galaxy S8 Edge + Gear Vr,, or nothing

maciek90 said:
I was thinking about ZUK Z2 & Z2 Pro as my next phone after ZF2. Generally because it's smaller than 5.5" and probably should have similar performance.
This choice is made based on specifications from the web. I still need to check some reviews for this phone.
Maybe someone can say anything about this phone?
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The problem is that these phones like Zuk, Xiaomi and these "not top" brands, are not selling officially in Italy and they don't support 800Mhz (band 20) for 4G LTE, used a lot here, expecially where I live and with my carrier..so I need a "more european" brand, to have full 4G support.

I am thinking of the 5.5 inch Zenfone 3. I have been very happy with my ze551ml.
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check elephone p9000 around 250$

dredremon said:
check elephone p9000 around 250$
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P9000 is not really better than ZF2, at least the 4 Gb version (unless you're badly looking for a fingerprint unlockable phone).
I used a P8000 before and although it's a nice phone, Mediatek processors are less powerful than other manufacturers' equivalent cpu's. If you take Antutu Benchmark as a reference (yes, we all know it can be faked, but it serves its purpose as a reference, and a way to compare two phones) P9000 scores between 45k and 47k, while my ZF2, which is the 1.8 Ghz version, scores between 55k and 57k. P9000 wouldn't be such a step forward, unless your ZF2 is broken beyond repair.
I'd stick to ZF2 until something significantly more powerful and affordable comes around. I've already seen some 6 Gb RAM phones, also with 128 Gb storage, but definitely not in the same price range as the ZF2.

jman0 said:
P9000 is not really better than ZF2, at least the 4 Gb version (unless you're badly looking for a fingerprint unlockable phone).
I used a P8000 before and although it's a nice phone, Mediatek processors are less powerful than other manufacturers' equivalent cpu's. If you take Antutu Benchmark as a reference (yes, we all know it can be faked, but it serves its purpose as a reference, and a way to compare two phones) P9000 scores between 45k and 47k, while my ZF2, which is the 1.8 Ghz version, scores between 55k and 57k. P9000 wouldn't be such a step forward, unless your ZF2 is broken beyond repair.
I'd stick to ZF2 until something significantly more powerful and affordable comes around. I've already seen some 6 Gb RAM phones, also with 128 Gb storage, but definitely not in the same price range as the ZF2.
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if you want upgrade 400$ i suggest xiaomo mi5s + or one plus 3

My current "short list" of devices:
OnePlus 3
ZTE Axon 7
Asus Zenfone 3 Deluxe
LeEco Le Max 2
LeEco Le Pro 3
Xiaomi Redmi Note 3
Sony XA Ultra
Nexus 6
Motorola Moto X Pure

I sincerely felt ZF2 not really worth the price , the hardwares are high spec but softwares are ****.

I got mine in June last year and as still pleased with it. Worth the price to me.
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I'll not purchase ASUS anymore period.
I replace it with an Galaxy S7 duos (flat screen version), cost near twice but it's the best android phone available despite Pixel XL hype, the S7 is the fastest water proof dual sim better display, much smaller than the asus and pixel XL, features Knox and multitasking and Samsung voice recognition its available in Spanish and while not as funny as the assistant does very well when I'm driving, also read messages and emails features not available in Spanish from Google asistant o now. Ahh the S7 also includes HR sensor and wireless charging and cost 300 less than a pixel XL.

I can't find one with better specs than the Zenfone 2 and with the ability to use two sim cards and an sd card at the same time .

karlzberg said:
I can't find one with better specs than the Zenfone 2 and with the ability to use two sim cards and an sd card at the same time .
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Yea there are, the Moto G4 has a dual sim version I don't know if can use the sd slot the same time but includes 64 internal storage android 7 and 0 bloat.
I don't use the sd slot often with 32gb its far enough to me even I have 3 games and 10gb+ in mp3, and when I need video for long trips I just plug an mini otg-usb pendrive.
But there is an mod for the S7 that allows simultaneously use the SD and two sim but implies devastating one sim that can't be uses on other phone anymore.

AcostaJA said:
Yea there are, the Moto G4 has a dual sim version I don't know if can use the sd slot the same time but includes 64 internal storage android 7 and 0 bloat.
I don't use the sd slot often with 32gb its far enough to me even I have 3 games and 10gb+ in mp3, and when I need video for long trips I just plug an mini otg-usb pendrive.
But there is an mod for the S7 that allows simultaneously use the SD and two sim but implies devastating one sim that can't be uses on other phone anymore.
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Moto G4 has only 2gb ram it does has a dedicated sd card slot though :good: but spec wise it's not as good as the zenfone 2 imo.

karlzberg said:
Moto G4 has only 2gb ram it does has a dedicated sd card slot though :good: but spec wise it's not as good as the zenfone 2 imo.
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FYI Moto G4 has versions from 2GB/32gb 5HD" to 4GB/64GB" 5.5HD +fingerprint reader from 150$ (G4play) to 300$ (G4+), in some markets is offered with Dual-Sim feature, and spec-off its an high quality build phone, absolutely reliable with the fastest updated among non-nexus phones, even I considered it at last moment instead the S7.

AcostaJA said:
FYI Moto G4 has versions from 2GB/32gb 5HD" to 4GB/64GB" 5.5HD +fingerprint reader from 150$ (G4play) to 300$ (G4+), in some markets is offered with Dual-Sim feature, and spec-off its an high quality build phone, absolutely reliable with the fastest updated among non-nexus phones, even I considered it at last moment instead the S7.
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:good:
Moto G4 plus Google says 4GB only on sale via Amazon in the UK checking Amazon I'm finding 3GB at £245 so when the 4GB version is out I'm thinking it will probably be north of £300.
One to keep an eye on though:good:

Got the missus a vernee thor for 80GBP , comes with MM out the box and just put AOSP 7.1 on it for her from M.A.D team, here on XDA .
Nippy device 3GB ram and...... MTK of all chipsets

http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_honor_note_8-8231.php

go for xiaomi mi5 or zenfone 3 deluxe. i am using xiaomi mi5. believe me its best.

this phone vs pixel 4xl?

Just wondering if anyone else was struggling with the decision to get the 70 versus the 4XL. I am on Verizon, grandfathered unlimited data. All I care about is having an unlocked phone. I'm currently on the Pixel 2 XL, and ready for an upgrade, but not sure which direction to go. What are your guys thoughts? All I really care about is having a fast phone with a good battery

If price is not a constraint, you can go for pixel

Funk Wizard said:
If price is not a constraint, you can go for pixel
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Just curious, why do you think that? One plus should have better or equivalent specs

Honestly if camera is super important to you, go pixel hands down. If you just wanna be a spec fanatic, OnePlus.
Personally, I'll always go pixel simply because specs aren't everything. Just something to brag about.

Pixel 4 will have the better camera. At least this time they're also going with 6gb ram. Just comes down to pricing.

ermacwins said:
Pixel 4 will have the better camera. At least this time they're also going with 6gb ram. Just comes down to pricing.
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I see you are a fan of Xiaomi phones. Do you have any thoughts about Xiaomi Mi 10, which I guess will come around March 2020 ?

SlyUK said:
I see you are a fan of Xiaomi phones. Do you have any thoughts about Xiaomi Mi 10, which I guess will come around March 2020 ?
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Lol yea they have very good specs for price. Since it's their 10th anniversary phone I'm hoping for some solid specs including high refresh rate screen. Who knows might even have under display selfie cam.

ermacwins said:
Lol yea they have very good specs for price. Since it's their 10th anniversary phone I'm hoping for some solid specs including high refresh rate screen. Who knows might even have under display selfie cam.
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People already complaining about the 7T. I might wait for Xiaomi Mi 10 tbh and use it until late 2022
If I can't wait I might just get Galaxy Note 10 (non plus).
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Although saying that:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/oneplus-7t-vs-samsung-galaxy-note-10/

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People already complaining about the 7T. I might wait for Xiaomi Mi 10 tbh and use it until late 2022
If I can't wait I might just get Galaxy Note 10 (non plus).
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What's the complaint about the 7T? Did you read anything anywhere? Cuz 7T is also on my list and I have to buy a new phone really soon.

niyonsv said:
What's the complaint about the 7T? Did you read anything anywhere? Cuz 7T is also on my list and I have to buy a new phone really soon.
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I don't have any complaints and for the price what more can you ask for, however things i've read include:
People don't like the camera hump for example and that the OnePlus 7 Pro is an overall better phone.

SlyUK said:
I don't have any complaints and for the price what more can you ask for, however things i've read include:
People don't like the camera hump for example and that the OnePlus 7 Pro is an overall better phone.
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Yes, I read that too

niyonsv said:
Yes, I read that too
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For what it offers its fantastic, unless you are a camera enthusiast.

Camera on pixel will be sublime. Perfect colour reproduction.
But battery (so long as you can deactivate ,90hz)
Will be superior on the OnePlus.
Pixels always have crap battery.

7T pro then the best option? Or will there be a 5g 7t?

Cowbell_Guy said:
7T pro then the best option? Or will there be a 5g 7t?
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5G will destroy the battery

If I can get a new OnePlus 7 Pro 6GB for the same retail price as the new OnePlus 7T 8GB (₹38k), which one would be better? At the same time I can get the new 7T for less than ₹ 32k. Please note:
7 Pro - 6GB - 855 for ₹ 38k
7T - 8GB - 855+ for ₹ 32k

niyonsv said:
If I can get a new OnePlus 7 Pro 6GB for the same retail price as the new OnePlus 7T 8GB (₹38k), which one would be better? At the same time I can get the new 7T for less than ₹ 32k. Please note:
7 Pro - 6GB - 855 for ₹ 38k
7T - 8GB - 855+ for ₹ 32k
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7T.

Will the 7T have a McLaren edition? Not the 7T pro just the normal 7T straight screen

kamikaze702k said:
Will the 7T have a McLaren edition? Not the 7T pro just the normal 7T straight screen
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Believe so. Rumors are stating it will be a Verizon exclusive.

kamikaze702k said:
Will the 7T have a McLaren edition? Not the 7T pro just the normal 7T straight screen
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The McLaren edition will have 12GB I'd assume and that will affect battery life, complete overkill, 6GB is probably more than enough, 8GB is the sweet spot and honestly the most I'd get in a phone for now at least, unless the battery was substantially larger and apps actually utilized it which at the moment they just don't.
If it's also 5G then it'll greatly affect battery life.
The range on 5G and ability to pass through walls etc is awful, so if the phone is forcing power to the antenna to get a good connection your battery will deplete a lot faster.
4G and 8GB is perfect.

why don't you switch to umidigi s5 pro ? same SOC, better hardware 4 the price

i've just noticed that a known site is offering the umidigi s5 pro at 170 euro.... 173 shipped to europe and i was impressed by the specs of that device, same g90t soc of this xiaomi.... BUT amoled screen, 4680mah battery, 40mpx,6gb ram, 256gb ufs 2.1
and last, POPUP cam like mi9t !
i'm really excited that prices for these specs are coming for under 200euro....it seems impossible to me, but it's a shame that the only one custom rom supported g90t phone is ONLY the note 8 pro.
maybe someone could really appreciate to jump developing roms for the umidigi phone.... i would never buy a phone without custom rom support but by heart is crying when i see at 170euro all these great specs, but stuck with STOCK rom

Question If you want custom roms which is better to get OnePlus 11 or Pixel 7 Pro?

Specs wise I would like to get OnePlus 11 but I've been seeing some info that maybe custom roms won't be coming. Any guidance is appreciated.

The Pixel 7 Pro definitely has more development. OnePlus made it difficult to recover from bricking so many developers have passed them up. A OnePlus 11 running LineageOS or AOSP based ROM would be amazing though.

Get a OnePlus 9 Pro. Comparable CPU, faster GPU with better support than Mali, display is kind of a wash (it's dimmer on the OnePlus but people tend to think the colors are better than the Pixel 7 Pro), much better modem, $600 new on Amazon or you can get them pretty cheap on Swappa and there are a ton of custom ROMs as well as unbricking tools available in case you need them. Don't buy the T-Mobile model though, you'll be hating life. Just get the regular unlocked model, LE2125.
Peep the OnePlus 9 Pro forum and see just how much dev support the thing has.
OnePlus 9 Pro
The OnePlus 9 Pro is a 6.7" phone with a 1440x3216p 120Hz display. The Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 chipset is paired with 8/12GB of RAM and 128/256GB of storage. The main camera is 48+8+50+2MP and the selfie camera is 16MP. The battery has a 4,500mAh capacity.
forum.xda-developers.com

If you want privacy, Pixel 7 Pro with Graphene OS.
Oneplus 9 pro is still great.

So far nobody is recommending OP11. So you guys don't feel very confident about OP11 custom rom prospects?

bird333 said:
So far nobody is recommending OP11. So you guys don't feel very confident about OP11 custom rom prospects?
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Not without a recovery tool being available. Just look at the 10 Pro and 10T before it that didn't have one either.

As long as there is nothing like MSM Tools, noone will recommend Oneplus'es new flagship phone Oneplus 10 Pro upwards.

OnePlus 9 pro seems like it'll be the only OP device with support for ROMs. I like the 9 pro. It's been a good phone. Soon as I can sell my S22 ultra I'll be going back to it more than likely.