AImark benchmark score half down in P vs. O - no Hexagon/DSP hardware support? - Moto Z2 Force Questions & Answers

Hi,
Running AIMark (search for it im Play Store, I'm not allowed yet to post links) which also Anandtech uses for ML/DNN benchmarking gives me in Android 9 ca. 7800 points, only half of the score as when running it on another Moto Z2 device still with Android 8.0 where the score is almost 14000!
The benchmark uses the Snapdragon Neural Processing Engine (SNPE) for ML interference which can support DSP/GPU(?) acceleration. Without the required libraries from Qualcomm only the CPU cores will be used, which of course is slower.
The score for Moto Z(1) is with 13500 almost the same as for the Z2 what makes sense as both Hexagon DSPs 680/682 are quite similar. A newer 845 I tested (Sony, Android 9, Hexagon 685) has a score of ca. 19000.
In the Anandtech article (I can't link) the scores of LG V30 (835) vs. S9 (845) are similar in the same way. But a Pixel 2 XL, presumely without the Hexagon/DSP hardware support libraries looks really bad there.
Could somebody with an Android 9 upgraded Z2 try out the benchmark and tell me his/her score? This Chinese app wants access to calls and media (Maybe it only collects device name/IMEI etc. for statistics/ranking but who knows?) so be careful when you use it with your everyday phone.
If this is not a specific problem of my device then I guess the SNPE acceleration suffered a major regression for the Z2 (835) in Android 9 or some libs for hardware acceleration are missing .
Can someone else confirm this?
Thanks, M.

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[GENERAL HELP] Post Your Questions Here Instead of Making a New Thread

Many people are joining xda on daily basis. Some of them join the forum to get custom ROMs while some join in order to get some of their problem that they are facing with their phones solved.
There are dedicated threads for ROMs but what about HELP/QUESTIONS??
People generally straight away start a new thread to get their doubts solved. But this can lead to chaos in the forum.
I'm creating this thread as an alternative to *New Threads* that aim to resolve a question.
Not only this, this thread can also become a Database kind of place where people can look if their question is already solved or not...
I request all members of the ASUS ZENFONE 2 sub-forum to help and answer some questions posted here if they can.
I hope you guys get the idea behind this thread...
Is intel developer friendly ???
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Is intel developer friendly ???
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This will be a great phone once developer starting developing roms for this phone.
Hi
I like this phone, but how I realized there is a 2 version of ZenFone 2? One will be cheaper and the other more expensive. Please what is the difference?
Will both phones use the same camera and processor?
And where I could see the picture samples of Zenfone 2?
Thx a lot
Query
Is it possible to chop off Un wanted stuff from Zen UI n build a lollipop's OG framework into the. stock rom
On screen Nav bar .Notification drawer n Settings app like Stock .Android ...???????????
Accounts n Screen Pinning .......Not the Nooby Kids mode LOL
If yes I'm buying it Cause The camera and Build Q is amazing for the price
Zenfone 2 Explained
wavexda said:
Hi
I like this phone, but how I realized there is a 2 version of ZenFone 2? One will be cheaper and the other more expensive. Please what is the difference?
Will both phones use the same camera and processor?
And where I could see the picture samples of Zenfone 2?
Thx a lot
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$149 ~~~720p display .2GB RAM 1.8 GHZ intel atom Z3560
$199~~~~1080p display . 2GB RAM 1.8 GHz Intel Atom Z3560.
$299~~~~~1080p display .4GB RAM .....Intel Atom 2.3 GHz Z3580
All of them have 4G LTE Cat 4 FDD LTE
They share same Power VR GPU
Quick Charge 2.0 & Double Tap 2 wake and Sleep ........
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$149 ~~~720p display .2GB RAM 1.8 GHZ intel atom Z3560
$199~~~~1080p display ................""""""""""""...................'.....
$299~~~~~...."....."""""""....4GB RAM .....Intel Atom 2.3 GHz Z3580
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From where you got the info about the prices? Or is just a guess? I also think that the high specs version would have the price of 299.
Anyone knows how are these processors with the battery life.?
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Darkuso said:
From where you got the info about the prices? Or is just a guess? I also think that the high specs version would have the price of 299.
Anyone knows how are these processors with the battery life.?
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Last Year Zen Fone 4,5.6. Price Point will be followed ...........
Camera Details On lower end version. is unknown
To my understanding atom processors are nowhere near the performance of current generation ARM.. Has anything changed? Is this cpu comparable to anything released in the last year?
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To my understanding atom processors are nowhere near the performance of current generation ARM.. Has anything changed? Is this cpu comparable to anything released in the last year?
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Benchmarks report the higher end one in zenphone 2 is comparable to snap Dragon 805. Not sure about battery efficiency.
In terms of real world performance, the Intel CPUs are very satisfying. I have a very old CloverTrail CPU in my Venue 8 tablet, and it feels just as snappy as the Snapdragon 800 in my phone, even though the 800 blows it away in benchmarks.
The big question is how is the ROM and dev support going to be for this phone.
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In terms of real world performance, the Intel CPUs are very satisfying. I have a very old CloverTrail CPU in my Venue 8 tablet, and it feels just as snappy as the Snapdragon 800 in my phone, even though the 800 blows it away in benchmarks.
The big question is how is the ROM and dev support going to be for this phone.
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That's good to hear! I'm excited about this phone assuming 1) unlocked bootloader + source release and 2) Dev support
So since I am new here and found this thread I had to ask..
I am intrigued by the Zenfone 2 but I like the Oneplus One as well..
I am an iOS user (got really tired of it.. ) and I am going to switch to Android.
The advice I've been given is to search if there are going to be custom ROMs and support before buying a phone!
Is there a reason to wait for the Zenfone 2 over the Oneplus One?
(Planning on using a custom ROM so it will have "pure" android (propably CM, dunno still searching) )
Thnx in advance
Considering the specs on the ZenFone 2 are basically the same as all these 7-10" Windows tablets, how long before you think before we see full Windows 8.1/10 on the ZenFone 2?
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BeriaddaN said:
So since I am new here and found this thread I had to ask..
I am intrigued by the Zenfone 2 but I like the Oneplus One as well..
I am an iOS user (got really tired of it.. ) and I am going to switch to Android.
The advice I've been given is to search if there are going to be custom ROMs and support before buying a phone!
Is there a reason to wait for the Zenfone 2 over the Oneplus One?
(Planning on using a custom ROM so it will have "pure" android (propably CM, dunno still searching) )
Thnx in advance
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Having owned the OnePlus One and a Note 3 with CM11, they are both very nice. I have a good feeling about the ZenFone 2 though. More "open" hardware. You may also look at the Lenovo P90 (much bigger battery). The #1 advantage of the ZF2 or the P90 is that they both run 64bit processors, so they are ready for 64bit Android.
Is the Zenfone2 gonna work on Verizon Network?
Darkuso said:
From where you got the info about the prices? Or is just a guess? I also think that the high specs version would have the price of 299.
Anyone knows how are these processors with the battery life.?
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With the 720p model, it'll be a 5 inch phone, right?
Go for ASUS you wont regret it!
If the price is acceptable,this one definitely will be a hot item.Asus is very committed in costumer satisfaction.their is extremely fast in software upgrading. Asus strategies in marketing have fortunes both side.for example,after zenfone 5 Lte out with kitkat ,month later(l believed its take a month just because its had a different cpu vendor) all previous Zenfone series also received same upgrading and all leftover stock in market becomes high demanded until need to refill. Now zenfone 5 is conquer over 4 Asean country and the funny things is I,the early owner of zenfone 5 still use jb because its alredy bugless in last jb version(finally usb OTG support) .In my country,zenfone 5 is one of hot items and now I'm very proud to shows off my fone to my friends cause its so popular. Now zenfone its definitely on theirs list.Thank you Asus for my dignity
WHAT about GPL compliance of ASUS.... was there any word about device tree and source code???
how did xda opened a thread for zenfone 2????
Hello everyone
I intend to buy a new phone but with dual card. I wanted to buy Xiaomi MI Note, but the cost is huge so I gave up. I stumbled upon a phone AusuZenfon2. As I watched some clips on YT seems that his camera much good. In Xioamia Mi Note camera is even better than the iPhone 6 Plus. I hope and Zenfonu 2 will be good camera.
What interests me is:
1. How satisfied are you with you thus far zenfonom users in general?
2. Procesor which is located in the Zenfone2 (64-bit Intel Atom 3560/3580 Quad Core Processor (Running at 1.8 / 2.3GHz) PowerVR Series 6 - G6430, with OpenGL 3.0 support), so I interesujeu which rank this processor in compared to the Snapdragon family? 800, 801 or maybe 805?
3. Does really feature HDR blacklight gives such good pictures in low light or is just marketing trick?
4. Will it will be 4K recording and slowmotion 240fps in zenfonu 2?
5. Zenfone 2 will have two models, one of 2GB and the other 4GB Ram. Is the difference only in RAM or a even a change?
Advance very grateful
PS I see the comments someone goes dead motherboard. How is this happening? And if this is a common problem with this phone?
P.S2 .. I looked at photos Zenfon 5 :crying:and unfortunately photos are bad phone that I now have a Xioami Mi3 and captures a lot of good pictures. Will Zenfone 2 have a better camera than Zenfona 5?
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Is the Zenfone2 gonna work on Verizon Network?
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Unfortunately not. Verizon works on CDMA network which is not supported by Zenfone 2 and is not supported by a lot of other phones. Verizon also uses LTE network and it is currently the broader LTE network in the USA. You can check the coverage here: http://www.verizonwireless.com/. The Verizon LTE network bands will be supported by some models of Zenfone 2. You could theoretically use Zenfone 2 on Verizon, but then you have to use voip instead of standard calling and depend fully on the LTE in general.
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wavexda said:
Hello everyone
I intend to buy a new phone but with dual card. I wanted to buy Xiaomi MI Note, but the cost is huge so I gave up. I stumbled upon a phone AusuZenfon2. As I watched some clips on YT seems that his camera much good. In Xioamia Mi Note camera is even better than the iPhone 6 Plus. I hope and Zenfonu 2 will be good camera.
What interests me is:
1. How satisfied are you with you thus far zenfonom users in general?
2. Procesor which is located in the Zenfone2 (64-bit Intel Atom 3560/3580 Quad Core Processor (Running at 1.8 / 2.3GHz) PowerVR Series 6 - G6430, with OpenGL 3.0 support), so I interesujeu which rank this processor in compared to the Snapdragon family? 800, 801 or maybe 805?
3. Does really feature HDR blacklight gives such good pictures in low light or is just marketing trick?
4. Will it will be 4K recording and slowmotion 240fps in zenfonu 2?
5. Zenfone 2 will have two models, one of 2GB and the other 4GB Ram. Is the difference only in RAM or a even a change?
Advance very grateful
PS I see the comments someone goes dead motherboard. How is this happening? And if this is a common problem with this phone?
P.S2 .. I looked at photos Zenfon 5 :crying:and unfortunately photos are bad phone that I now have a Xioami Mi3 and captures a lot of good pictures. Will Zenfone 2 have a better camera than Zenfona 5?
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Nobody uses the Zenfone 2 because it's not on the market yet. I have Asus tablet based on (an older) Intel SoC and I'll try to answer to your questions on the base of that experience:
1. I'm really satisfied with the tablet. It is fast, stable and modest in energy consumption.
2. Intel 3580 is generally considered better SoC than any of Snapdragons you mentioned and has better Antutu Results. Besides only the newest of Snapdragons 805 (and 810) is 64-bit, but both are 28nm, so they are likely less energy efficiently than Intel Atom 3560/3580, which are 22nm thick.
3. It's not a market trick. You can get live tests of camera performance.
4. yes.
5. It's not known yet, but I assume that Asus plans to offer entry level model with Intel 3560, 2GB RAM and lower resolution and high end with Intel 3580, 4GB RAM and higher resolution. Starting price for the first model is supposed to be $199 and for the second one $299. Additional ROM will probably increase the price. And there are still modifications which are not sorted out yet regarding LTE antennas regarding selling territory and 5 inch model which is currently still a big mystery.

Doogee F7 Pro powerful performance, AnTuTu score higher than HUAWEI Mate 8

Recently, LG and Samsung, released their flagship New LG G5 and Galaxy S7 / S7 edge, and announced that Antutu score are respectively more than 130000 and 110000, the price is about 700 dollars. Doogee also released its flagship product on MWC 2016. Doogee F7 F7pro, consist of 5.7 inches 2K screen, equipped with MTK latest deca-core X20 processor, 8.0 super front pixel camera, 21 pixel rear camera, combinations of built-in 4GB RAM + 32GB ROM memory , and another choice of 4GB RAM + 64GB ROM memory, running Android 6.0 system. Due to such a configuration , F7 pro Antutu score is up to 93476, while the price is only about $ 200. All in all, this’s conform to Doogee marketing strategy: to create a high-performance, cost-effective mobile phone.
Such a high score can not be separated from such a powerful Deca-core Heli X20. X20 2X2.5GHZ A7 core + 4x2.0GHZ A53 core + 4X1.4GHz core component. F7/F7 pro support Intelligent deployment, it is full of vitality when running large programs to achieve maximum performance. No need to close intelligent core to reduce power consumption. Modem consumes 70% of X10, multimedia consumes 60% of X10 .
Big RAM
Such a powerful F7/F7 pro, its CPU is not only low power consumption, performance improvement also obviously, which greatly enhances UI and gaming performance. GPU performance increase to 140% of X10's, GPU power consumption is 60% of X10. 2016 new hot game, Iron Tanks , got the most of comments is that it is always getting stuck, while playing on F7pro realized no stuck, run freely.
The general phones are 4G network LTE Cat-4, while high-profile F7/ F7 pro support LTE Cat-6 2x20 carrier aggregation 4.5G network. Download speed is more than 2 times the ordinary 4G network, up to 200 mbps per second, downloading a movie in just three minutes, browsing multiple pictures page in just 0.5 seconds. On the whole, doogee F7 has not only the top of the hardware configuration, but also the latest Android 6.0 system, so that it reaches Antutu score of more than 90000 making sense.
Thread closed.
There is an existing thread already: http://forum.xda-developers.com/gen...gee-f7-claims-mtk6797-helio-x20-deca-t3273544
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We have a chance for N

Today i see someone succesfully boot Android N on Xperia L. Which is Xperia L has a same proccesor with Redmi 1S (snapdragon 400) Maybe we can port the ROM into our device. What do you guys think about?
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As far as I could gather, yes, it is possible to get Nougat.
Things we will NOT GET, because of the GPU we have are: OpenGL 3.1 / Vulkan. Those two are only embedded in Adreno 400 and upwards.
This would mean that there is a chance for problems with games that might migrate above OpenGL 3.0 (which we have).
As far as I'm aware, the differences between 3.1 and 3.0 are in the addition of new libraries, so if the game needs those new libraries 100% and doesn't offer a fallback option, we won't be able to play them.
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Today i see someone succesfully boot Android N on Xperia L. Which is Xperia L has a same proccesor with Redmi 1S (snapdragon 400) Maybe we can port the ROM into our device. What do you guys think about?
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Xperia L is different but Moto G 2013 is same as our device & CM14 unofficial is out, so we are getting it soon
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Xperia L is different but Moto G 2013 is same as our device & CM14 unofficial is out, so we are getting it soon
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Yeah i also see cm14 unofficial for Peregrine
hope so
Redmi1s won't get any more
Actually not a problem of xiaomi but of **** Google.
This is Android (and OEMs and Qualcomm) not looking far ahead to support devices. They don’t care about customers. After sale support non-existent.
Why is Apple able to support iPhone 5s (same age as Nexus 5) with iOS 10 and later? Because Apple made it compatible with METAL apk from day 1. Because it has hardware encryption since day 1.
Why is Apple able to support iPhone 5 (4 years old) with iOS 10? Because Apple is willing to!!! IPhone 5 does not support METAL nor does it have ARMv8 chip…yet iPhone 5 is getting iOS 10…minus raise to speak to Siri…it is getting 99% of iOS 10 features.
Remember, major software updates also bring with it security features beyond “monthly patches.”
So, with all the resources of software (Google) and hardware (OEM’s and Qualcomm), Android cannot support Nexu 5 and the likes?! It is like buying a laptop (since most phones cost the same) and can only use it for 2 years. That’s insane!
When will Android community wake up and demand more? Google, OEMs, and Qualcomm will only listen if money talks.
And it is this crap that explains horrible re-sale value of Android flagships!

Is Kirin 810 worth it without custom ROMs?

There are quite a few people saying that Google Play store apps malfunction on the Honor 9X, even saw a video where the icons were being pressed on many apps, but it kept crashing to the home screen. The Kirin 810 is a state of the art chip at this price point, easily beating everything else., however the lack of a bootloader, and custom roms are a real hindrance since Huawei announced they won't be releasing those any more. Is it worth getting the 9X knowing all this, or should one just get a SD 712 like Z1 Pro? I'd get the RealMe X but the 710 is quite a bit inferior to the 712, struggling to get 155k when the Z1 is clocking 185k on antutu, plus the lack of expandable memory is a big problem with everything getting exponentially bigger every other year. Not to mention it's already a year old and if either is going to get more efficient it's the 712 with updates here n there. What do you guys think?
honor 9x with google services would be nice. I use gpay and it doesn't work without passing safetynet (i think). Had there been any custom rom for this phone...i would buy it. But, Realme X2 with snapdragon 730g is selling for 1499 yuan. or realme q for 998 yuan during initial sale with snap 712. and both phones charge fast.
honor 9x is a no without google services and custom rom dev.

Performance Issue

I have been experiencing a lot of lags and stutters on this phone that it seems abnormal. I have tried installing custom roms like sense baseed roms (include both nougat and oreo versions) and aosp roms but still it doesn't work out at all. I have a Mi A2, which has similar specs (Snapdragon 660, similar performance to Snapdragon 820, 4gb Ram, 64gb emmc drive) to HTC 10 (I have the 32gb one), and it still runs smoothly. I know it's a 5-year-old phone that I should not expect lighting fast performance but the Snapdragon 820 should have performed better as it could be. Can anyone tell me how your phone performance is?

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