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use a sprint sold phone on verizon?

Thinking about buying a used sprint touch 6900, install some kind of DCD or other rom with a carrier cab for verizon. Will this work? ESN conflicts?
Will i need to call Verizon tech to send the A-Key and will it work ( they will think its still my old Titan 6800. My scheme is to have the same phone less the keyboard)

rspong said:
Thinking about buying a used sprint touch 6900, install some kind of DCD or other rom with a carrier cab for verizon. Will this work? ESN conflicts?
Will i need to call Verizon tech to send the A-Key and will it work ( they will think its still my old Titan 6800. My scheme is to have the same phone less the keyboard)
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they will know what the phone is based on the esn i believe. and while it is certainly possible...i dont think sprint nor verizon allow it just yet. soon tho. im not sure on this though.

They do not allow non-verizon assigned ESNs on thier network. I've been playing a tug-of-war with tech support on many different levels for over a month and they just wont do it. My contract is up in December and Verizon will be loosing a customer of 3 phones @ $160 a month. I don't think they care though.

steveb05 said:
They do not allow non-verizon assigned ESNs on thier network. I've been playing a tug-of-war with tech support on many different levels for over a month and they just wont do it. My contract is up in December and Verizon will be loosing a customer of 3 phones @ $160 a month. I don't think they care though.
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Better @ Sprint ?? They won the worst customer service award
third year in a row & are losing 1.7 million customers a quarter.
Why do you think they have a new ceo who us giving everything away?
Plus you get to enjoy all their "dead spots" where vzw does have a
signal. Sounds like a lot of fun !!

im running a sprint 6900 on vzw right now. you need to copy an ESN from a phone that you have had on verizon. Maybe taken an old phone but it would be easiest if you could take an ESN from a pda phone, the best would be from a 6700 or 6800.
Anyways take your old verizon phone, before you disconnect it and get all the system info off it and copy that over to your new phone.

Sprint Is The Best Off All Of Them...
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Better @ Sprint ?? They won the worst customer service award
third year in a row & are losing 1.7 million customers a quarter.
Why do you think they have a new ceo who us giving everything away?
Plus you get to enjoy all their "dead spots" where vzw does have a
signal. Sounds like a lot of fun !!
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Oh, no. U r wrong. I---Sprint has "America Roaming" (included for free with every voice plan) that gives an option to roam on Verizon ANYWHERE! In case Sprint's signal is weak (which is very rare), it's possible to roam on Verizon and/or Alltel(which is now also a Verizon). Just force Touch/Vogue into "Roam Only" option. II---Sprint's Touch is 100$, Verizon's-249$. III---Sprint's unlimited data is 15$ a month, Verizon's-30$(and IT IS NOT UNLIMITED to the full extent of the "unlimited" word). IV----Sprint's Touch is not disabled as Verizon's one. I can use Bluetooth and GPS immediately on an "out the box" Sprint's Touch. Verizon's XV6900 must be hacked.
Sprint's cust-service is not that great---true! But it's possible to do almost everything concerning a phone/plan matters online now!
I had T-Mobile, ATT, Verizon and Sprint. Final choice---SPRINT. Ultimate combination of EV-DO, price and coverage!

If you can get the esn loaded (the hard part) here is my thread to do the rest. http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=20090

At&t buying T-mobile Its A good thing

Ok guys i did a little research and At&t buying T-Mobile is actually a good thing heirs my reasons why.
1.Larger variety of android phones or any ohone for that matter.
2.Yes we get to keep unlimited data plan because they have to take some of T-Mobiles customs to keep customers happy.
3.Almost every one you call will be mobile to mobile so less minutes you have to worry about.
4.Largest 4g network More Towers so better signal.
well those are my reason so hopefully it keeps you guys from going to Verizon or sprint -_-

youngmane said:
Ok guys i did a little research and At&t buying T-Mobile is actually a good thing heirs my reasons why.
1.Larger variety of android phones or any ohone for that matter.
2.Yes we get to keep unlimited data plan because they have to take some of T-Mobiles customs to keep customers happy.
3.Almost every one you call will be mobile to mobile so less minutes you have to worry about.
4.Largest 4g network More Towers so better signal.
well those are my reason so hopefully it keeps you guys from going to Verizon or sprint -_-
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Thats fine and dandy. But what happens when ATT decides to make changes. Add hidden fees, completely eliminate the unlimited data? Sure they will keep some of the features that Tmobile has, but nothing stays the same.
if they do keep the unlimited data, it will be a hell of a lot higher of a price per month then what we pay now.
This merger is bad news and is very very bad.

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Thats fine and dandy. But what happens when ATT decides to make changes. Add hidden fees, completely eliminate the unlimited data? Sure they will keep some of the features that Tmobile has, but nothing stays the same.
if they do keep the unlimited data, it will be a hell of a lot higher of a price per month then what we pay now.
This merger is bad news and is very very bad.
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They better honor our current bill or I will cancel my contract because the reason I went to t-mobile is to leave at&t
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My No contract Even More+ plan will be gone, and I'll have to pay almost double what I do now just to keep my service. They're going to honor current contracts but when they end its GG.
AT&T is going to ruin what made T-Mobile good.
I wouldn't have as much issue with AT&T if they weren't so ridiculous and expensive. They have data caps and their network is SO SLOW with all the iPhone users. Its absolutely ridiculous. I don't wanna be gimped from an awesome carrier just because AT&T can't build their own towers out.

It sucks, for sure.. att customers are the only ones to benefit since they stole our 4G. The plus side is that we won't see any changes for atleast a year..
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The buyout is not a good thing at all. Less competition is never good. T-Mobile was Google's go-to network. The innovate Android phones always went to T-Mobile first.
One of the worst things about this whole deal is that T-Mobile phones will have to be replaced eventually. AT&T will be restructuring the whole network to use it's own 3G/4G frequencies, which T-Mobile phones aren't capable of using. So you'd be stuck on edge. It's supposed to take several years before the switch over is complete, so hopefully by then my G2 will be long outdated, since I just bought it a couple months ago at full price because I'm on a no-contract plan.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110321/ap_on_hi_te/us_at_t_t_mobile_usa_phones

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Ok guys i did a little research and At&t buying T-Mobile is actually a good thing heirs my reasons why.
1.Larger variety of android phones or any ohone for that matter.
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How you figure? A phone is a phone, and nobody has EVER (except CDMA) forced you to buy your phone from your carrier.
2.Yes we get to keep unlimited data plan because they have to take some of T-Mobiles customs to keep customers happy.
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Ah, NO. The reason is that since tmobile will no longer exist, they won't lose any customers by raising prices since there is no longer any competition to run to. No, CDMA carriers are not competition.
3.Almost every one you call will be mobile to mobile so less minutes you have to worry about.
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How does that affect anything? You're still using your phone, there's no competition, so they can charge you whatever they want.
4.Largest 4g network More Towers so better signal.
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That depends on what they intend to do with things. Maybe they'll transfer all of tmobile's customers over to att towers and use tmobile towers to implement LTE. If that happens, you aren't going to have any better coverage.

If history has taught us a lesson... Look at the case of Cingular being bought up by AT&T. Cingular was all about a huge variety of phones, great plans, and awesome reps (in store and on the support line) that made them great. When AT&T had swallowed them up, the integration took about 1-2 years where they were called "Cingular by AT&T" while keeping some of their nuances and then post integration they became AT&T with all the bad that AT&T brings.
To the original poster saying that there could be more Android devices from this deal... There is also no guarantee to that, because if he has forgotten... AT&T was the LAST provider to adopt Android phones and only did so because their iPhone honeymoon exclusive was over. Even then, if they do offer more Android devices... They could lock them down forcing users to side-load apps as see with Android phones like the Xperia X10 or Samsung Captivate. Also, they could end up capping future 4G devices as seen with the HTC Inspire.
As another poster in this thread said... LESS competition is BAD for the consumer and MORE competition is BETTER for the consumer.

youngmane said:
Ok guys i did a little research and At&t buying T-Mobile is actually a good thing heirs my reasons why.
1.Larger variety of android phones or any ohone for that matter.
2.Yes we get to keep unlimited data plan because they have to take some of T-Mobiles customs to keep customers happy.
3.Almost every one you call will be mobile to mobile so less minutes you have to worry about.
4.Largest 4g network More Towers so better signal.
well those are my reason so hopefully it keeps you guys from going to Verizon or sprint -_-
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it's truly saddening to me that the majority of people here are more concerned with cell towers and glorified walkie talkies than the underlying economic and (yes, I'm going there) societal impact of an acquisition of this magnitude.

dhilberg said:
The buyout is not a good thing at all. Less competition is never good. T-Mobile was Google's go-to network. The innovate Android phones always went to T-Mobile first.
One of the worst things about this whole deal is that T-Mobile phones will have to be replaced eventually. AT&T will be restructuring the whole network to use it's own 3G/4G frequencies, which T-Mobile phones aren't capable of using. So you'd be stuck on edge. It's supposed to take several years before the switch over is complete, so hopefully by then my G2 will be long outdated, since I just bought it a couple months ago at full price because I'm on a no-contract plan.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110321/ap_on_hi_te/us_at_t_t_mobile_usa_phones
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I went into my local T-Mobile store and asked several questions about our phones working on At&t network and was told that At&t and T-Mobile are in the works of offering a universal sim card that will allow our phones (At&t/T-Mobile) to work on each others network. We'll see!

I'm a current AT&T customer and I can't say I disagree with much of the discussion here.
It's impossible to say how things will change a few years down the road, but one thing is definitely true:
Less Competition is NEVER good for the consumer. In the end we (ATT and T-Mobile customers) WILL pay more for service.
Let's see if the feds do their job and shoot down this acquisition...

1.Immediaely, yes. Long run, no.
2.Why do they have to make them happy? What alternative will we have? Verizon will be the only other somewhat decent option, and their incredibly overpriced and don't use GSM so we'd have to buy a new phone.
3. True, our 'family' will be growing, causing us to possibly use less minutes.... I don't use the amount given in the smallest family plan though.
4. Actual 4g network rather than fake 4g network is good, more towers are good, etc.... good point.
Things not concidered:
1. monopoly on GSM (monopolies are generally not good)
2. prices will eventually go up. you'll be grandfathered but things change, especially if you have no real competition.
3. at&t diferentiates tethering (this is where you will probably lose your grandfathered unlimited data).
4. economy hinderance: loss of jobs, no longer an 'affordable' choice for cell service, less providers means less money for phone anufactorers (minimal impact there for people).
5. Good bye, customer service....

I don't see how they are going to raise the prices of unlimited plan if you already have one...hence everyone that had an unlimited data plan with att before they changed pricing was grandfathered with no price change. I'm not happy about att buying tmo but the one thing I'm sure of is if you already have the plan they won't change it. When you want to change your cell plan is when you will lose it
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Our contracts with this whole thing
I could be wrong, and I only skim the contracts, but haven't t-mobile customers signed contracts to be on T-mobile? If ATT absorbs their customer base and T-mobile no longer exists, do our contracts still remain?

KingAndroid said:
I could be wrong, and I only skim the contracts, but haven't t-mobile customers signed contracts to be on T-mobile? If ATT absorbs their customer base and T-mobile no longer exists, do our contracts still remain?
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the T-Mobile website merger Q&A states that they will keep everyone's contracted price. But I'm sure as soon as your contract ends, you're gonna be forced.
And I'm sure that once they required you to switch to an AT&T phone from a T-mobile phone because of the frequency switch, they'll make you end your contract and sign a new AT&T one anyways, so there goes that.

Years ago I worked for Verizon. On most days I would come across people that had been merged into Verizon from some other company. I remember one case where a customer had an unlimited voice plan for something like $30 a month. Now this was back before any one had an unlimited voice plan. When I looked into it the customer had been merged in about 2 or more years before and never been on a contract. Now from what I remember a company can not change your plan unless you consent. About the only way they can get you is if you do something like sign a new contract. Now they will try to trick you into changing from the grandfathered plan. So they can not kill or change our unlimited data plans.
I was with Cingular when they were bought out. I kept my Cingular contract right up until they came out with the Iphone and i was out of contract the whole time.
Now it will be interesting to see what becomes of Tmobile's prepay contract service.

AT&T buying out T-Mobile is BAD. Remember, it hasn't happened yet, and there's no way the DOJ will approve it anyway.

VZW SMS service unreliable.

So a few weeks ago I have to call VZW because others were not receiving the majority of the SMS and mms messages I sent. A day later they called and said it had been fixed and it shown happen again. Well now its about two weeks later and its happening again. I really don't feel like being on the phone for hours again repeating the same thing over and over. Does anyone have any advice as to what I should do? I really am tempted to just switch carriers even if I lose unlimited data. I feel like the ETF should be waived since I'm not receiving the service I should be.
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I have the opposite experience...
I have a Femtocell here at the house and when ever I send a text while I'm at home it actually gets sent two or three times. Annoying. I'm just grateful I haven't texted anyone by mistake with NSFW comments.

maybe try using google voice for a while? it uses data to send texts and since you have unlimited data you should give it a go until verizon fixes things and make sure to call them to get credit for that too

Did you try getting a new SIM? Does it only occur in a single area? Have you tried different phones/ROMS/kernels/radios?
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patt2k said:
maybe try using google voice for a while? it uses data to send texts and since you have unlimited data you should give it a go until verizon fixes things and make sure to call them to get credit for that too
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I'll look into that thanks.
Edit: I also get constant data dropouts so I find myself having to wait like 30 seconds until it comes back on.

Smokeey said:
Did you try getting a new SIM? Does it only occur in a single area? Have you tried different phones/ROMS/kernels/radios?
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It occurs everywhere I go haven't been able to pinpoint a single area. I was 50 miles from home last time it happened and they "fixed" it but it still happens here and at home. Haven't tried a new SIM cause I figured that would be the next step. I don't have another LTE phone to try and if I go back to my Fascinate my unlimited data plan will be removed from my account. It initially happened on Liquid 1.3 but before I called them I went back to complete stock 4.0.2 and radios and it was happening multiple times as I was talking to her on the phone.

Good luck getting out of your ETF after one tech support call.

Zacisblack said:
if I go back to my Fascinate my unlimited data plan will be removed from my account.
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you shouldnt lose the unlimited data. i had a bionic because the screen on my OG broke but i returned the bionic cause the screen sucked and just borrowed my friends OG. i went back down to unlimited 3g with no problem.

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Good luck getting out of your ETF after one tech support call.
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Verizon is so bad I'm almost willing to pay to get away from them. If I call them again and they "fix" it again and I continue to have the issue, I will do my best to make sure that the ETF is waived since I'm not receiving the service I signed up for under contract. I have very little time to be on the phone with these people for hours at a time and this texting issue isn't something that I can just act like it's not a big deal.

Zepius said:
you shouldnt lose the unlimited data. i had a bionic because the screen on my OG broke but i returned the bionic cause the screen sucked and just borrowed my friends OG. i went back down to unlimited 3g with no problem.
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When you try going back to a 4G device that's when you will have a problem.

Zacisblack said:
When you try going back to a 4G device that's when you will have a problem.
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the bionic is a 4g device... so... no i didnt have a problem.

Zepius said:
the bionic is a 4g device... so... no i didnt have a problem.
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Gotcha, my bad.

Zacisblack said:
Verizon is so bad I'm almost willing to pay to get away from them. If I call them again and they "fix" it again and I continue to have the issue, I will do my best to make sure that the ETF is waived since I'm not receiving the service I signed up for under contract. I have very little time to be on the phone with these people for hours at a time and this texting issue isn't something that I can just act like it's not a big deal.
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I love VZW, I guess it all depends on where you live. I had a similar horrible experience with At&t (who I hate): long story short, I received multiples of every text for months. Not just a few, but 20-100 of every text, and I couldn't send/receive any others while it was happening. I spent 20+ hours on the phone with them and went through 3 sim cards before I left their lame asses for VZW and never looked back. They did wave my ETF, but it was very well documented over a looooong period of time I was having the issues and everything I/we tried to make it work. I swear thats the short story lol. I seriously doubt they would have waved it had I just defaulted the contract after the first call. But I agree with you, its worth paying the ETF to get the service you need! I am just surprised you are having problems with VZW since all my friends and I LOVE them - they are the ONLY carrier to have reception/data everywhere in north Alabama.

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I love VZW, I guess it all depends on where you live. I had a similar horrible experience with At&t (who I hate): long story short, I received multiples of every text for months. Not just a few, but 20-100 of every text, and I couldn't send/receive any others while it was happening. I spent 20+ hours on the phone with them and went through 3 sim cards before I left their lame asses for VZW and never looked back. They did wave my ETF, but it was very well documented over a looooong period of time I was having the issues and everything I/we tried to make it work. I swear thats the short story lol. I seriously doubt they would have waved it had I just defaulted the contract after the first call. But I agree with you, its worth paying the ETF to get the service you need! I am just surprised you are having problems with VZW since all my friends and I LOVE them - they are the ONLY carrier to have reception/data everywhere in north Alabama.
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Same here except that I had the bad experiences with Sprint and came to VZW.
IMHO I think most of the network problems right now are due to upgrades. Seems like wherever they are rolling out LTE there are problems during the process.

Moral of the story is that for any 2 random carriers X and Y, you'll always be able to find someone who's pissed off at X and moved to Y, then someone who had a bad experience at Y and moved to X. There are so many variables you really can't paint two situations the same.

Cletonius said:
Same here except that I had the bad experiences with Sprint and came to VZW.
IMHO I think most of the network problems right now are due to upgrades. Seems like wherever they are rolling out LTE there are problems during the process.
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I would agree with the upgrade statement, I was told they were upgrading several towers in my area. However, it certainly wasn't to LTE. At&t has mostly Edge data in my area and the towers were being upgraded to 3G - or so I was told.

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I would agree with the upgrade statement, I was told they were upgrading several towers in my area. However, it certainly wasn't to LTE. At&t has mostly Edge data in my area and the towers were being upgraded to 3G - or so I was told.
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VZW and AT&T are definitely having growing pains expanding their LTE networks.

Zacisblack said:
Verizon is so bad I'm almost willing to pay to get away from them. If I call them again and they "fix" it again and I continue to have the issue, I will do my best to make sure that the ETF is waived since I'm not receiving the service I signed up for under contract. I have very little time to be on the phone with these people for hours at a time and this texting issue isn't something that I can just act like it's not a big deal.
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Are you running 4.0.4 and are you also having trouble receiving texts / you receive multiple text messages all at once? That would be a 4.0.4 issue, as well as sometimes missing calls from people / getting voicemails with no indication of an actual call. Going back to 4.0.3 unfortunately fixed these issues for me.
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Moral of the story is that for any 2 random carriers X and Y, you'll always be able to find someone who's pissed off at X and moved to Y, then someone who had a bad experience at Y and moved to X. There are so many variables you really can't paint two situations the same.
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This is true. But I think in any given geographical area there is a clear "better" carrier. At least I know there is a clear winner in my area, and I was one of the last of my group of friends to switch - I was holding out on the GSM networks to step their game up, but they failed to.

i was having MMS issues here. The issue was fixed when I manually entered the APN configuration (im using Go SMS which allows you to change these in Settings > MMS Settings > APN Configuration).
For verizon, just add "H T T P : / /mms.vtext.com/servlets/mms" to MMSC setting.
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Inches away from dumping Verizon

VZW is about to loose a 10 year customer.
I hate what VZW has done to this phone. That paired with the upgrade shuffle needed to keep my unlimited data and I am about to jump to Sprint. I can get two HTC Ones, and a new Torque for my son for $99 total. Unlimited data and everything. Plus the added feature of be able to unlock and root.
Why should I stay.

There is no reason to stay if you don't want to. If sprint has good enough service for you and is cheaper, go for it.

Good luck with sprint. **** service
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it' s a tough choice, Verizon gives best service and they know it and take advantage, the ones who know they aren't up to par let things slide like unlocking to gain customers. and it works, I also have been with Verizon sine before it was even called Verizon (so my dad says) and I don't think I could get him to ever switch (he doesn't care about root, just service) so my future is in the hands of the great devs and or dev edition phones, yayyy. Verizon has gone down hill fast since crApple came. everything that was decent changed, recently 24 mount contracts now, no longer 20 month, 14 day return rather than 30. Guess we will see how things play out at least with this phone we are able to send it out for S-OFF. and it came fast, very cool.
I hopefully sending mine out next week.

Anthrax79 said:
VZW is about to loose a 10 year customer.
I hate what VZW has done to this phone. That paired with the upgrade shuffle needed to keep my unlimited data and I am about to jump to Sprint. I can get two HTC Ones, and a new Torque for my son for $99 total. Unlimited data and everything. Plus the added feature of be able to unlock and root.
Why should I stay.
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What have they done to the phone?

There's no reason to stay. Just like mentioned before - if you have no need for Verizon's service coverage vs. Sprint's, then why stay with them? If you get solid Sprint coverage everywhere you need it, then switch. Otherwise, the only reason to stay is for the coverage. That's generally the only reason to go with carrier X over carrier Y.

Anthrax79 said:
VZW is about to loose a 10 year customer.
I hate what VZW has done to this phone. That paired with the upgrade shuffle needed to keep my unlimited data and I am about to jump to Sprint. I can get two HTC Ones, and a new Torque for my son for $99 total. Unlimited data and everything. Plus the added feature of be able to unlock and root.
Why should I stay.
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I just left Sprint after 13 years and picked this phone up on Verizon. Let me tell you the grass is not greener on the other side, Unlimited data is meaningless when you can't even play a youtube video for your kid in the car even though you're in the middle of a major metropolitan area (Seattle). If you want dial up speeds then by all means go for it.

Just switched from sprint also after being with them for 14 years. The data speeds were so slow they were unusable. It got to the point where I couldn't even get make a phone call without dropping the call. I drove from Ohio to Florida and only picked up LTE maybe 3 times for about 5 minutes. Other people in the car had Verizon and had LTE 90 percent of the time. Need less to say it was a damn long trip on horrible 3g and 1x
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Sprints data speeds are horrible. Had them for years. Dropped calls a lot too.
I'm not really happy with Verizon either but at least I'm never without service. I'd rather be unhappy WITH service than unhappy WITHOUT service.
Have fun. Peace out.

m4rk0358 said:
I just left Sprint after 13 years and picked this phone up on Verizon. Let me tell you the grass is not greener on the other side, Unlimited data is meaningless when you can't even play a youtube video for your kid in the car even though you're in the middle of a major metropolitan area (Seattle). If you want dial up speeds then by all means go for it.
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Same here. I was with Sprint 9 years. The dropped calls, terrible data just got to be too much. They recently turned the 4G LTE on in my area and it was spotty at best. I just can't get over how much better Verizon's network is.

My work phone is T-Moble. I had VZ for my personal cells and switched to AT&T about 4 years ago. I could not wait to go back to VZ. T-Moble is just brutal in my vacation home. It actually switches to AT&T service. AT&T was slow and would drop a ton of calls. VZ may be a PITA but they have the best signal/speed where I live. I'm afraid I will be with VZ a long time.

Lol. Got a buddy on Sprint, he tethers into my phone for data all the time. You really can't beat Verizon coverage and data speed.
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Anthrax79 said:
VZW is about to loose a 10 year customer.
I hate what VZW has done to this phone. That paired with the upgrade shuffle needed to keep my unlimited data and I am about to jump to Sprint. I can get two HTC Ones, and a new Torque for my son for $99 total. Unlimited data and everything. Plus the added feature of be able to unlock and root.
Why should I stay.
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I've been somewhat considering this too. After asking around, seems AT&T is considered next best in service.

replica9000 said:
I've been somewhat considering this too. After asking around, seems AT&T is considered next best in service.
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Eh not anywhere I've been. ATT is barely better than Sprint where I've been. T-mobile is pretty much second in areas I've been which is alot.

Anthrax79 said:
VZW is about to loose a 10 year customer.
I hate what VZW has done to this phone. That paired with the upgrade shuffle needed to keep my unlimited data and I am about to jump to Sprint. I can get two HTC Ones, and a new Torque for my son for $99 total. Unlimited data and everything. Plus the added feature of be able to unlock and root.
Why should I stay.
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I was with Sprint for 10 years and I'm glad I left them. Sure you can still get unlimited data with them but their service is terrible. Sprint LTE is going to take a while to reach Verizon's coverage and the 3G speeds are a joke. Verizon may torture us with their stance against modding, but most of us just deal with it because their service is the best...case in point, the recent JD Power rankings. Being able to unlock and root doesn't mean anything if you don't have the network support to back it up.

andybones said:
it' s a tough choice, Verizon gives best service and they know it and take advantage, the ones who know they aren't up to par let things slide like unlocking to gain customers. and it works, I also have been with Verizon sine before it was even called Verizon (so my dad says) and I don't think I could get him to ever switch (he doesn't care about root, just service) so my future is in the hands of the great devs and or dev edition phones, yayyy. Verizon has gone down hill fast since crApple came. everything that was decent changed, recently 24 mount contracts now, no longer 20 month, 14 day return rather than 30. Guess we will see how things play out at least with this phone we are able to send it out for S-OFF. and it came fast, very cool.
I hopefully sending mine out next week.
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I sell Verizon phones at a premium retailer and must say apple is the cause of all my problems and have seen that as soon as apple came along all the plans changed they got rid of unlimited apple is the root of all evil
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Let the OP go to Sprint - he'll be back fast enough. The reason vzw did what they did was because they didn't want to swap out a bunch of phones and do all that paperwork.
In the future don't jump on the phone the first day or week it's out, wait a while to see if that's what you want.
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good luck. Had sprint, then t-mobile before verizon.
Sprint was bad, 200kbits/sec speeds when having 3g signal. Their LTE runs on 2500mhz which means you'll drop that as soon as you walk inside.
T-mobile had much faster data speeds, but coverage was horrendous and a lot of dropped calls.
You get what you pay for. Unless you live on wifi, you'll be crying about sprint soon enough.

I've heard terrible things about Sprint, but I've never had their service. I had T-mobile YEARS ago and it was awful, I'm sure things have changed since then.
Verizon isn't cheap, it's a headache to go through the loophole to keep your unlimited data, but if you're going to switch to Sprint, do your research, and make sure you're going to be okay with slower data speeds and spotty coverage.
I don't like waiting extra time for phones on Verizon, nor do I enjoy the bloat that they fill their phones with, but that's the reality of it and the cost of keeping my unlimited data with a company that has a fast/reliable network.
Thankfully, we have awesome developers who work their magic and donate their work to the community.

jbh00jh said:
Let the OP go to Sprint - he'll be back fast enough. The reason vzw did what they did was because they didn't want to swap out a bunch of phones and do all that paperwork.
In the future don't jump on the phone the first day or week it's out, wait a while to see if that's what you want.
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Two years ago, I switched to Sprint. Got home and realized I couldn't even make phone calls inside my house. Next day,returned the sprint phones and went back to VZW. I have never looked at another carrier since.
I will say that when I went back to VZW, they gave me two new upgrades on my phones.... that was a plus to my mess.

How do carriers stack up with the Pixel 2 XL?

Hi all,
I ask because there seem to be differences between the features offered. For example, my carrier, Sprint, doesn't support WiFi calling or simultaneous talk/surf on the Pixel 2. They just rolled out "Calling Plus", which supposedly does these things but only very few Sprint locked phones are supported yet. Worse still, I've heard that they'll never support the Pixels that way. This makes me want to switch but I like my cheap unlimited plan.
I've been trying Project Fi. I like it so far (it has those features I mentioned above) but I'm afraid it isn't very cost effective for my wife and I at 9.3gb/month average combined usage on Sprint. Fi isn't too far out of line for us and I like it's features but can we do better?
Do the other carriers support these features? Thanks for any insight on this as I would like to keep my Pixel and not have to switch to a Samsung.
Thanks!

I just switched to tmobile today from Verizon, $80 USD a month for 10gb tether, unlimited text, talk, and data.
I mainly wanted to switch to them for calls and texts over WiFi

Cool, this is exactly what I want to know. Is Sprint the only one that won't support WiFi calling on the Pixel? I'd like to know what T mobile charges for two phones with 10 gb. I'll check it out. Did you get the $325 cash card for bringing your Pixel?
Can I assume you can simultaneously talk/surf? That is supported at Fi but interestingly only when connected to T mobile, not Sprint.

Unlimited TMobile has been my go to for years! Including free international roaming, text & data...

I use total wireless at 60 bucks a month for 2 phones with 8 gig data .. on Verizon antennas.. no calling features, but I've read some people can get the tethering to work.. also FYI my pixel xl2 gets a more consistent signal and data through put than my XL ever dreamed about.. htc dropped the ball with the pixel XL radios. My main reason for this purchase

Thx all. Looks like Project Fi is about the same price as the current T-Mobile deal at our level of usage. The advantage with Fi is that you can choose carrier networks on the fly if one or the other isn't working at the moment. But if we use more data any particular month, it could get expensive. It works the other way too though as you pay for exactly what you use. With T-Mobile, in flight internet and Netflix are solid advantages.

26kick said:
Cool, this is exactly what I want to know. Is Sprint the only one that won't support WiFi calling on the Pixel? I'd like to know what T mobile charges for two phones with 10 gb. I'll check it out. Did you get the $325 cash card for bringing your Pixel?
Can I assume you can simultaneously talk/surf? That is supported at Fi but interestingly only when connected to T mobile, not Sprint.
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Nope, I got hosed on that deal and was pretty pissed about it. Do the deal was, you had till Nov 2nd to get up the line. I ordered my device on the 6th and received it on the 31st. So I had what? Two days to get in and switch my carrier? And some people that have ordered still havent even gotten theirs because of color choices.
Then again the associate didn't even know they had a promo for the new pixels, and took her twenty minutes to find any information about it. So I'm actually going to do some looking around on the **** I saw online to see if they have end dates.
Verizon has a terrible app that can allow texts over WiFi, it always worked like garbage for me, and like two samjunks and all the iPhones offer wifi calling on vzw. But to me, this might as well mean they don't offer it.
I also wanted to get away from having to use a device that can use cdma, cdma is old, and very much outdated, which only vzw and Sprint use.
So now, even if I descided to get a different phone, it opens up more device choices that I normally wouldn't have since all phones offer gsm support, but not always cdma
Also, if you have two lines on the unlimited all plan that I got, apparently you get a free Netflix account too.

If you're an old fogie like me, you can get 2 lines of unlimited everything on T-Mobile for $60/mo if one of you is 55+. If you know someone 55+ who you could share the plan with, it's a great deal.

Wifi calling and textimg works great for me on Verizon.
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dberthia said:
If you're an old fogie like me, you can get 2 lines of unlimited everything on T-Mobile for $60/mo if one of you is 55+. If you know someone 55+ who you could share the plan with, it's a great deal.
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That's decent. Wonder if it includes tethering.
I just checked, tethering is at 3G speeds.

TiltedAz said:
That's decent. Wonder if it includes tethering.
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No, think it's $10/month add-on for 10GB 4g, then throttled.

galaxys said:
No, think it's $10/month add-on for 10GB 4g, then throttled.
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Tethering is included, but at 3G speeds. You can pay additional for 4G.

26kick said:
Cool, this is exactly what I want to know. Is Sprint the only one that won't support WiFi calling on the Pixel? I'd like to know what T mobile charges for two phones with 10 gb. I'll check it out. Did you get the $325 cash card for bringing your Pixel?
Can I assume you can simultaneously talk/surf? That is supported at Fi but interestingly only when connected to T mobile, not Sprint.
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Do you happen to have access to one of the Sprint supported phones? With Verizon, I had to setup the WiFi calling on a Verizon branded phone first, set e911 address, and then when I switched my sim back into the pixel XL (og), the WiFi calling options showed up and worked fine.

skinnytoo2 said:
Wifi calling and textimg works great for me on Verizon.
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Same here. I'm not sure what Lawlrus is talking about in regards to wifi calling & texting on Verizon. What he's saying was true a couple years ago, but isn't with any recent phones on Verizon. Seems like his info is out of date. I've been using wifi calling & texting on Verizon for a while now through several phones, including the Pixel XL and Pixel 2 XL. Works great. I'm often in areas with weak signal, and being able to call and text over wifi allows me to put my phone in airplane mode to save on battery life. I've used it while traveling overseas as well.

Ask yourself this though. Is WiFi calling and simultaneously talking and having data really that necessary for you that it would be worth a possible price jump to another carrier? I'm with Sprint an hard actually talk on the phone enough to want or need either of those features.
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I was on Verizon for 6 years. I bought the Pixel 2 XL from Google so I decided to try Project Fi. It's ok, but there are too many issues with it that I just can't deal with. Wifi calling on speaker phone echos back the person on the other line to them, Google knows this is an issue with project fi, but can't seem to fix it. Sometime the call doesn't answer when you try and answer the phone, you can't hear the person on the other end. The tower switching just flat out sucks. In places where I get full bars on TMobile (which is like everywhere for me) some times it switches to Sprint which will have little to no service and I will need to force the phone back to TMobile. On my wife's phone which I also put on fi, she would be right next to me and she would be on a different tower. Made no sense. Even restarting the phone it wouldn't switch so we would need to force switch whichever phone was stuck on Sprint. I wanted so much to like project fi, but unfortunately it's just too much of a hassle. The straw that broke the camel's back for me was when I send an mms to someone it compresses the image to just a terrible image the size of a thumbnail. Again this is a known issue on Project fi that other people just deal with. I'm not interested in having a half ass phone carrier just to save some money. I would rather pay a little more for good consistent service.
I am switching to TMobile. I have 2 SIM cards coming. $120 (that includes taxes) per month for 2 lines, unlimited talk text data. Plus you get Netflix for free, so I can cancel my Netflix so I will save there too.
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EeZeEpEe said:
Ask yourself this though. Is WiFi calling and simultaneously talking and having data really that necessary for you that it would be worth a possible price jump to another carrier? I'm with Sprint an hard actually talk on the phone enough to want or need either of those features.
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I have asked myself that time and time again. I now do work on a cruise ship and have no cell service but do have blazing wifi. With Sprint, not using an S8 or one of the 3 or so of their other phones that support Calling Plus, I'm completely in the dark for texts and calls for days at a time. These features are semi standard nowadays and are a requirement for me whereas before they we're a convenience. Believe me, I would much rather stay with Sprint.
I am interested in hearing this feedback on TMobile! Thanks everyone, please keep it coming.
One final question I have posed, though it is a little unusual, but I'd like to know if my wife's as yet unactivated, Android One (Project Fi) Moto X4 will work on TMobile as well as my Pixel 2 xl...and have all of the features. ??

Deuces said:
Do you happen to have access to one of the Sprint supported phones? With Verizon, I had to setup the WiFi calling on a Verizon branded phone first, set e911 address, and then when I switched my sim back into the pixel XL (og), the WiFi calling options showed up and worked fine.
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This is extremely interesting as both carriers are cdma. I don't have one of those phones. I've been told though, that a phone needs a specific software update to enable calling plus, which makes me doubtful of success.

What about simultaneous talk/surf, @Deuces?

tacopimp said:
I was on Verizon for 6 years. I bought the Pixel 2 XL from Google so I decided to try Project Fi. It's ok, but there are too many issues with it that I just can't deal with. Wifi calling on speaker phone echos back the person on the other line to them, Google knows this is an issue with project fi, but can't seem to fix it. Sometime the call doesn't answer when you try and answer the phone, you can't hear the person on the other end. The tower switching just flat out sucks. In places where I get full bars on TMobile (which is like everywhere for me) some times it switches to Sprint which will have little to no service and I will need to force the phone back to TMobile. On my wife's phone which I also put on fi, she would be right next to me and she would be on a different tower. Made no sense. Even restarting the phone it wouldn't switch so we would need to force switch whichever phone was stuck on Sprint. I wanted so much to like project fi, but unfortunately it's just too much of a hassle. The straw that broke the camel's back for me was when I send an mms to someone it compresses the image to just a terrible image the size of a thumbnail. Again this is a known issue on Project fi that other people just deal with. I'm not interested in having a half ass phone carrier just to save some money. I would rather pay a little more for good consistent service.
I am switching to TMobile. I have 2 SIM cards coming. $120 (that includes taxes) per month for 2 lines, unlimited talk text data. Plus you get Netflix for free, so I can cancel my Netflix so I will save there too.
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Bummer about your experience with Fi. I don't think I've experienced those things yet. But I'm considering TMobile straight away based on our recent average data usage. We've been on unlimited for years with Sprint so for us to reprogram our habits into the hassle of finding and registering for (sometimes suspect) free WiFi networks feels like too much.
I agree, we just want good consistent service. The only downgrade I can see for us at TMobile with ONE plan would be streaming capped at 480p. Am I right?
Curious, why didn't you go back to Verizon, @tacopimp?
In any case, please let me/us know how it is when you activate your Tmobile SIMS!