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Hello,
I have bought this mobile phone one year ago at the beginning of 2020. I want to say I am very happy with the camera sytem especially in dark conditions. I have taken thousands of pictures on landscapes in Switzerland.
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[Q] Worth the money?

Hello guys!
I'm thinking about buying the LG optimos G, but some people tell me very bad things about the LG brand. Well, i want to know if the phone it's good, in questions of performace, relation in price and quality and in durabillity.
It depends for how much you can get it?
In general it's a good phone. For me the only downside is camera, which pretty ****ty.
I think LG makes great devices, but their feedback sucks. It seems to be changed since G2, but OG seems forgotten. OG is great device, fast, capable, but camera is very bad. Other aspects are almost perfect, HD for 4.7 screen is perfect, image quality is gorgeous. I would say it's definitely worth money, especially in my country where i can buy it for 200-250$.
Well, I picked a refurbished one for 200$ - great value for the money.
Now it's running KitKat (PA), was surprisingly easy to install.
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adwienc said:
I think LG makes great devices, but their feedback sucks. It seems to be changed since G2, but OG seems forgotten. OG is great device, fast, capable, but camera is very bad. Other aspects are almost perfect, HD for 4.7 screen is perfect, image quality is gorgeous. I would say it's definitely worth money, especially in my country where i can buy it for 200-250$.
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I saw a video and the camera seems very capable for my needs. Thank you for the feedback... I was scared because it's a low price compared to the specs.
Its low price is due to its age. The device is from late 2012 which easily beats some brands phones from late 2013 and even 2014. By the way, it's a flagship phone and is not forgotten. Kitkat is on the way for it. check my thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2652276&page=8
It's worth every cent
eskorpiao112 said:
Hello guys!
I'm thinking about buying the LG optimos G, but some people tell me very bad things about the LG brand. Well, i want to know if the phone it's good, in questions of performace, relation in price and quality and in durabillity.
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I've owned quite a few smartphones, but have never been as pleased with any as with the OG. What I wish it did have though is FM Radio and an IR blaster, but in terms of performance, this is a beast and rightly so because it was the most powerful smartphone released in 2012.
To be honest, there is few things that really irritate me.
- one of the worst cameras I've ever seen, which should be at least average since it was LG's flagship smartphone. In addition to that lens gets scratches really easily which causes photos to be even worse.
- no 5V output through usb (which means no otg without external power)
- really bad sound recording with microphone (it's ok with normal voice, but anything louder makes distortion).
And because of those, I regret buying this device. It's true, it has nice SoC for it's price, but for me it's too much, dual core would be just enough to handle android without any problem. As for durability, it's rather more vulnerable to drops than other phones because it's got glass in the back. Mine phone doesn't look like new, although I keep it in case all the time.
The best thing about this phone? Definitely screen. Is it worth buying? In my opinion - no, I'd rather have nice camera and/or microphone than powerful SoC, but it really depends what you expect from your phone.
nobooya said:
To be honest, there is few things that really irritate me.
- one of the worst cameras I've ever seen, which should be at least average since it was LG's flagship smartphone. In addition to that lens gets scratches really easily which causes photos to be even worse.
- no 5V output through usb (which means no otg without external power)
- really bad sound recording with microphone (it's ok with normal voice, but anything louder makes distortion).
And because of those, I regret buying this device. It's true, it has nice SoC for it's price, but for me it's too much, dual core would be just enough to handle android without any problem. As for durability, it's rather more vulnerable to drops than other phones because it's got glass in the back. Mine phone doesn't look like new, although I keep it in case all the time.
The best thing about this phone? Definitely screen. Is it worth buying? In my opinion - no, I'd rather have nice camera and/or microphone than powerful SoC, but it really depends what you expect from your phone.
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Well dude, i apreciate your opinnion. It helped me. And i won't buy this phone. I don't wanna buy a phone only because his cpu, ram and screen... The other things are realy bad for the opinion of the guys here. And i want a phone with a good camera (not that high quality but a quality that make a good picture) and i just want a phone with a good battery, good cpu (i want to buy a Galaxy SIV Mini, and he have a dual core 1,7 ghz krait) and i want a phone with good features and with a good compatibity for headphones(i bought a Steelseries Flux in-ear and my old sony xperia arc s didn't suport it. Now because of that i'm using a GIO because it's nice to change the rom, don't have blocks and Samsung suports almost all . So it's because i don't want Sony. The phones of sony are realy bad for their price and the system it's realy ugly. Well, thanks for the feedback, i won't buy it like i sad :highfive:
Good camera is only on Nokia devices. Can you find a pleasing device in Nokia phones? I doubt. You still don't know about camera quality after 4.4.2 update. And the eco mode which turns two cpu cores off is there in the device which is so nice. Yet again, As you wish.
I bought ,new F180L (Korea version) for about $180 half month ago.It is a perfect phone for me, really faster than LG P880 ,because of 2GB RAM,Now my system is native f180L V20T KDZ Korean ROM,still perfect,and battery is very good ,I can screen on 5 Hours for a day with brightness 82% automatic.but the only problem is SMS has 80 characters limited,not 140 characters,Who can help me ....
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I bought ,new F180L (Korea version) for about $180 half month ago.It is a perfect phone for me, really faster than LG P880 ,because of 2GB RAM,Now my system is native f180L V20T KDZ Korean ROM,still perfect,and battery is very good ,I can screen on 5 Hours for a day with brightness 82% automatic.but the only problem is SMS has 80 characters limited,not 140 characters,Who can help me ....
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It's related to your network.
I think it's wonderful despite its downsides
Hi there,
I just got this phone after some research. I was considering Sony Xperia Z, Galaxy S3 and this one. All of them within the same price range due to they are all now kind of obsolete, and despite its not-so-good camera I got the Optimus G. To be honest with you, I was going to buy a Moto G in the first place, but although I know some people who are quite happy with that, I think it's quite low range still.
To me, camera is not the main thing of a phone. Of course, I can't always take my DSLR with me, so at some point, having a phone with a decent camera is important. But I am going to use the phone mainly for Internet, apps, and so on... and I appreciate a good design as well, so having an S3 just because its camera is better?... no thanks. I've used an S3 for a little while (a couple of weeks or so) and I didn't see it as a huge step forward (but that's my impression). Lots of people have an S3, and it's not that I want to stand out, but I want to buy a phone that I like.
The camera is definitely its worst feature, but it's not that bad. It can take better pictures than previous generations, the problem is (in my view) that it's not as good as other high end devices. And technically speaking, the dreadful megapixel war, it happens on digital cameras as well. When you put a lot of pixels in a tiny sensor it sometimes creates more problems than benefit as each individual pixel may create electrical noise that will be translated into more "grain". And regarding videos, to me the most annoying thing is the micro-stuttering that sometimes happens. Maybe the bandwith needed for processing is too much for the encoder...
Anyway, so far I'm quite happy!
(BTW, there's a mod that apparently improves video/stills quality, although I couldn't install it properly on mine)
Regards
Congrats Dadivx! I also had the same choices as you did + nexus 4 + G2 16g! I chose G and I'm quite happy with it ^_^. I can't find anyone not pleased with it. Catching 4.4.2 wikk add to the pleasure for sure.
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eskorpiao112 said:
Well dude, i apreciate your opinnion. It helped me. And i won't buy this phone. I don't wanna buy a phone only because his cpu, ram and screen... The other things are realy bad for the opinion of the guys here. And i want a phone with a good camera (not that high quality but a quality that make a good picture) and i just want a phone with a good battery, good cpu (i want to buy a Galaxy SIV Mini, and he have a dual core 1,7 ghz krait) and i want a phone with good features and with a good compatibity for headphones(i bought a Steelseries Flux in-ear and my old sony xperia arc s didn't suport it. Now because of that i'm using a GIO because it's nice to change the rom, don't have blocks and Samsung suports almost all . So it's because i don't want Sony. The phones of sony are realy bad for their price and the system it's realy ugly. Well, thanks for the feedback, i won't buy it like i sad :highfive:
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Well I buy this phone just a month ago, true the camera not so good for 13 mp. But there's camera option to choose HDR, it helps you get better picture. For me camera not most important, because I use my phone mostly for internet, Movies and games and this OG never upset me:good:
The screen also very nice for watching movie even hd video in youtube look very crisp. That my opnion about this phone, now I should go before you call me salesman:laugh:
camera...
but...what version do you have?
I have E975 (european version) with 13 mpx camera... and photo have a really good quality... way way better if compared with phone like htc one m7, glaxy s3, galaxy note 2, xperia Z, nexus 4, nexus 5, iphone (version < 5), moto x and all the other phone before 1/2 2013......
naturally last sony, nokia with 500mpx camera, s5, iphone 5 or other newest (and much expensive) phone have better camera.... but really don't think that without magnifying glass you can appreciate them....
antonio.talamo said:
but...what version do you have?
I have E975 (european version) with 13 mpx camera... and photo have a really good quality... way way better if compared with phone like htc one m7, glaxy s3, galaxy note 2, xperia Z, nexus 4, nexus 5, iphone (version < 5), moto x and all the other phone before 1/2 2013......
naturally last sony, nokia with 500mpx camera, s5, iphone 5 or other newest (and much expensive) phone have better camera.... but really don't think that without magnifying glass you can appreciate them....
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Troll?
Sorry but people say even optimus x4 takes better pictures than our G. If it comes to camera our phone is real mistake. I know it won't have quality like normal camera, but at least in daylight it should capture some details, but it doesn't (not to mention when contrast is too big it looks awful). Photos might look good on 4,7" but not on something bigger or when you zoom in a little.
Phones you listed take the same or better pictures. Before posting stuff like this, check it earlier.
nobooya said:
Troll?
Sorry but people say even optimus x4 takes better pictures than our G. If it comes to camera our phone is real mistake. I know it won't have quality like normal camera, but at least in daylight it should capture some details, but it doesn't (not to mention when contrast is too big it looks awful). Photos might look good on 4,7" but not on something bigger or when you zoom in a little.
Phones you listed take the same or better pictures. Before posting stuff like this, check it earlier.
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Really I have no problem with the camera..... maybe I'm not a photography expert, but also when my friends looks at my pictures they found them very good....
it is for this that I asked for your phone version....
Phones that i listed are all phones that i tryed (both with better or worst camera quality) so please take it easy....
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Really I have no problem with the camera..... maybe I'm not a photography expert, but also when my friends looks at my pictures they found them very good....
it is for this that I asked for your phone version....
Phones that i listed are all phones that i tryed (both with better or worst camera quality) so please take it easy....
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well I do agree with nobooya, the camera is the downside. even when I change the camera xml file.
If you are using this phone for everything except using the camera, this phone is really good.
but if you do taking picture most of the time, you probably can get G2,
at the end, of course if you can get this less than $200, I think it worth the money
I bought the Galaxy SIII. Thanks for answering
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[Q] Thinking of buying an M8 but Is the camera still that bad?

Hi Guys
Im thinking of changing from G S5 to an M8 (S5 is Sooo boring to use, its just an S4 really), but I do like a good quality camera.. so Im just curious to ask ..
Is the camera as bad as the reviews say and have the HTC Updates improved it at all?
If you own an S5, how does the M8 compare?
Thanks
pretty silly reason to change a phone. S5 is as good as m8 so i suggest ,stick to it. Not really a upgrade and you will get bored of all phones , we all do.
and there are **** loads of comparison vidoes
www.youtube.com is your friend
I hate samsung and i bought m8 3days ago its the best phone i just love it pictures are awesome to specially in low light
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pretty silly reason to change a phone. S5 is as good as m8 so i suggest ,stick to it. Not really a upgrade and you will get bored of all phones , we all do.
and there are **** loads of comparison vidoes
www.youtube.com is your friend
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Its not really a silly reason at this point no... when you consider that Ive only had the phone 3 days, The Touchwiz overhaul is not as major as they promised and the videos on YouTube, which Ive watched many of, all seem to come from the first 4 weeks after release, of which most, not all, are from over excited fanboys or bought reviewers, and dont take into account the updates that have been pushed by HTC to date and if these said updates have improved the camera at all and also how the audio sounds without Beats Audio..
The S5 Camera, like the S4 LTE on release day, does have some focusing and noise issues in low light, but the youtube videos dont tell you that..
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I hate samsung and i bought m8 3days ago its the best phone i just love it pictures are awesome to specially in low light
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Thanks for the input
But its mainly the camera, so If anyone can help me please.. Has the updates improved the camera
If your just going to use the pictures on your phone or for mms this phone is great (I previous owned a S4 and a Z1). There's also a mod on here you might want to check out?
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There are entire threads about this topic, including one with dozens of pages of photos for you to look at, all tken with the M8. Whether the camera is good enough is completely subjective, so look at the photos it takes and see if they're good enough for you.
To the OP, I know exactly how it feels to currently be torn in middle between sticking with the S5 or M8.
Now as for my opinion, since I owned both phones, Im currently on and Sticking the M8.
I originally bought the M8 from TMobile new the day it came out. At first I was very impressed with the built quality and the smoothness of the UI on top of Android (Sense)
But after about 3 weeks of playing with it and taking lots and lots of pictures, I decided I wanted to give the S5 a try. So I ended up trading my M8 on Craigslist, even trade, for a Galaxy S5 in same new condition.
Now after playing with the S5 and using the camera to the fullest extent and my daughter Pre K graduation, I was very impressed with the Galaxy S5 camera. Like the Note 3 it had the same bells and wisles except with a higher pixel count and a couple more features added. But in comparison to the HTC One M8, the camera do seem to be "slightly" more sharper and more realistic looking.
BUT
With the big over haul in TouchWiz the phone seemed to lag here and there, and speaking of camera, during my daughters graduation Im taking lots of Pics and 1080p video, the phone started getting very wam and prompt a message that said "Phone Over Heating, Camera Disabled". So my camera was disable during the graduation so I missed a couple moments to take pics and record video. Phone cooled down and the camera was back working again......
Long story short, I ended up sale that Galaxy S5 for 450 and used that 450 to purchase my HTC One back from the guy I traded it to so now I have my original M8 back.
M8 is a overall better experience. After using the M8 yesterday at my sons 1st birthday party since he turned one year old, the pitcures tookedn with the M8 look pretty dam good.
Even got compliments while my camera was out by people looking at the view finder as we were taking pictures. Not to mention the UI being 100 percent smooth and I also found the battery to last a whole lot better on the M8 vs the S5.
So thats my 2 cents! Hit me up on twitter if you have any comments or questions. @FiberOpticsRLD
Honestly getting fed up with this bs now. The camera on both the m7 and the m8 is perfectly good and takes good clear pictures. If you want crap hot photos that you can blow up to the size of house, I say go and buy an expensive camera.
This 4 mega pixel comparison bollox is a load of crap. They are ULTRA pixels NOT megapixels. Just like hd and uhd.
After using both phones, I can deffinetly say that both the M7 and the M8 take excellent pic and video in low light conditions.
From what I understand with the pixel count being lower, this allows for more light to be picked up.
i'm switching to the M8 from the S5 as well. S5 is a fine phone but the occasional lag is enough to annoy me.
dwd3885 said:
i'm switching to the M8 from the S5 as well. S5 is a fine phone but the occasional lag is enough to annoy me.
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Yeah, after using the M7 -> Note 3 -> M8 - >S5 -> M8
I started to notice the high quality of HTC not only in the physicall hardware itself being the case of the phone and the screen and loud speakers, but I also started to see how the high quality of HTC Sense is vs TouchWiz. Even when compared to the skin on the LG G2 and other LG phones, the HTC Sense skin is just very light and optimized.
Deffinetly glad I was able to get my original purchased M8 back from Craigslist before it got traded off too far in the Craigslist world LOL.
hypersonicx said:
After using both phones, I can deffinetly say that both the M7 and the M8 take excellent pic and video in low light conditions.
From what I understand with the pixel count being lower, this allows for more light to be picked up.
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They are bigger better pixels therefore more light and more detail captured per pixel .

LG G3 Stabilizer

a few days ago i have done some camera video comparison with my new iPhone 6 16GB and my lovely G3 F400L.
what i'll observe there, my iPhone 6 does a very good job on stabilizing the video better than my G3 although the iPhone 6 doesn't have Optical Image Stabilization like what G3 have and that's really dissapointing me as i love my G3's more..
the question is, is there any other way i can produce much more alike or better videos than my iPhone 6 because soon or later i might be selling back my iPhone 6 due to it's 16GB and i buy it only for testing purposes ( just to feel hows new iPhone work in my hand ).
Additional Notes : I don't want to buy another one steadycam as I already have one. Assume that i don't always bring steadycam with me, so i might be holding the phone with my shaky shaky hand. Any other method you know please do tell me.. Help is appreciated
Sent from my G3 with Love. Muah Muah!

Switching Phones

I've had an s7 for quite a long time, but recently decided to upgrade. Honestly, if it weren't for the efforts of jrkruse and other contributes I would have moved on a long time ago. I recently decided upgrade to the LG v30 Plus. If anyone is looking to make a move from the S7, the v30 Plus is a great phone. I got the us998 unlocked version; bootloader unlocked and rooted. Cell signal is great, Wi-Fi is too, call quality is better than the S7. It can even do native call recording. Thanks again to everyone who made the S7 a great phone to use.
I thought about upgrading to V30 because it seems like the perfect size and has no notch (and it's cheap on ebay). However, multiple reviews say the camera autofocus is slow (it lacks dual pixel PDAF), which is no good for taking pictures of kids or pets.
I don't find the auto focus slow, but I also don't take a lot of photos.

Question What is the reason you purchased the A52S 5g?

What prompted the purchase of this phone for you? I'll go first
I liked that it has a 64 mega pixel camera although it was a little disappointing there was no ability to do any zoom on pictures. The better processor was another reason and the price for what I was getting I liked. Lastly screen size is decent. So far after 5 months use, I'm still pretty satisfied. How about you?
I purchase a A52S because my old Galaxy s4 died after 8 years of use...
TTmouse said:
I purchase a A52S because my old Galaxy s4 died after 8 years of use...
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My S4 still works but I use it for music in back yard stereo system... sorry yours died..
I chose it because it was literally the perfect phone. The Samsung One UI, The display, and everything about the phone. Personally it looks very good in black. Plus for the fact that they sold it for 3500 SEK. (approximately 350EUR)
I’ve been using it for the past 4 months and I have to say this phone is very, very good.
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Hur länge håller batteriet med dig?
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english please, as per XDA regulations...
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Hur länge håller batteriet med dig?
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Just like bobfrantic said, English only.
Anyways, It is pretty good. About 6-7h with 120hz and 7-8 with 60hz.
This is for pretty light use though.
before buying it, check that the mobile phone has the following requirements :
Root
work all app i use ( app bank etc... )
Snapdragon CPU only, more powerful than what I had before
the best it offered me as value for money was a52s, the audio jack is an addition that I didn't think necessary, but I wanted a smartphone with an under-screen imprint.
the other choice was the realme gt master edition but it could not be rooted safely and therefore the only choice at the moment on the market valid for me was the a52s
I bought it because:
Security updates: Samsung will offer security updates until 2025, four years after launch, and tends to provide timely updates. For work email/calendar my phone needs to have security updates no older than three months.
Price: Got it for £220 used off eBay. Price is right.
Removable microSD card: I insist on removable storage.
Headphone port: I insist on a 3.5mm headphone port.
Better than A53: I'd have gotten the A53 instead if it had been better, but it was not better. It was worse.
Optical Image Stabilization: I actually care very little about the camera. One thing I do care about is having OIS for picture stability especially in low light.
I came from a Motorola One Vision towards the end of its security update life. I actually liked that phone better (mostly because of a stock Android One feel, and I'm not a fan of an in-screen fingerprint reader, I like rear-mounted fingerprint readers, perfect for a finger when holding the phone), but it was only a matter of time before it stopped getting security updates. And Android One is practically dead.
obs3rv said:
I bought it because:
Security updates: Samsung will offer security updates until 2025, four years after launch, and tends to provide timely updates. For work email/calendar my phone needs to have security updates no older than three months.
Price: Got it for £220 used off eBay. Price is right.
Removable microSD card: I insist on removable storage.
Headphone port: I insist on a 3.5mm headphone port.
Better than A53: I'd have gotten the A53 instead if it had been better, but it was not better. It was worse.
Optical Image Stabilization: I actually care very little about the camera. One thing I do care about is having OIS for picture stability especially in low light.
I came from a Motorola One Vision towards the end of its security update life. I actually liked that phone better (mostly because of a stock Android One feel, and I'm not a fan of an in-screen fingerprint reader, I like rear-mounted fingerprint readers, perfect for a finger when holding the phone), but it was only a matter of time before it stopped getting security updates. And Android One is practically dead.
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I agree with you about the A53, comparison on gsmarena with this phone showed me the a53 would be a step backwards. Samsung missed the mark this time... And I got my A52S from my provider for 199€ with their discount. I only have to stay a customer for 2 years but that no problem for me.
Arobase40 said:
Don't understand how you can say there is no ability to do any zoom on pictures when this is not the truth ?!?!?!
With recorded pictures it's pretty easy to do zoom with Samsung Gallery (not sure this is the real name of the app) and in the Camera app you can zoom by 10x and you also have a macro option... ^^
Otherwise I got the A51 phone before but it was not compatible with 700MHz bandwidth used mostly by a single French carrier : Free Mobile and I'm changing of carriers almost every year depending on the promotion...
In France we have the lowest price for mobile or fiber internet subscriptions...
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While taking pictures with camera set to 3x4 64 mpx you cannot use the zoom. All other modes for pictures you do have zoom. And sure once in gallery you can you can zoom any pic of course.
For me 2 things matter in this acquisition . Brand and price . First I was disappointed regarding some punctual things compared to other new phone I bought also (OnePlus Nord 2) but after A 12 and One UI 4.1 update , A52s was improved and now I'm some kind pleased of it . Finnaly , I'm going to sell it after a short while ...
bobfrantic said:
My S4 still works but I use it for music in back yard stereo system... sorry yours died..
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My old S5 which my mom used since 2020 just died a few days ago & I'll probably buy her an A52s as it's better than the A53 and would be better than the A54 too lol
Overall I'm amazed my S5 survived for almost 8 years 5 of which with me (and I did literally everything that could be done to it xd). She dropped it and this time the screen turned white with some small colored dots on it and the phone bootloops. It's time to let it go, was a great phone these almost 8 years
Geoperson8 said:
Just like bobfrantic said, English only.
Anyways, It is pretty good. About 6-7h with 120hz and 7-8 with 60hz.
This is for pretty light use though.
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bruh, not gonna lie, that kinda sucks... my 2yo+ xiaomi mi 9t with lineageos lasts for around 2 days with normal usage, but it used to keep up to 4 days...
typical usage: chat, social media, memes during the day and some 1-2hrs of yt or streaming tv shows before bedtime, but no unnecessary bull**** like bluetooth, nfc etc (unless needed) and no background usage meaning apps are closed whenever I don't use them
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bruh, not gonna lie, that kinda sucks... my 2yo+ xiaomi mi 9t with lineageos lasts for around 2 days with normal usage, but it used to keep up to 4 days...
typical usage: chat, social media, memes during the day and some 1-2hrs of yt or streaming tv shows before bedtime, but no unnecessary bull**** like bluetooth, nfc etc (unless needed) and no background usage meaning apps are closed whenever I don't use them
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Lineage in general should give A52s better SOT as well. Still in the works though.
TTmouse said:
I purchase a A52S because my old Galaxy s4 died after 8 years of use...
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My condolences.
I own a Galaxy S4 too. Quite one of the best phones and mine died too....
I might try again to revive it in the future as the oldschool smartphone.
I was able to revive it temporalily couple years ago with a hairdryer blowing hot air on the mobo and made it work for a while and backed everything up. True story
My Poco X3's camera performance annoyed me beyond belief, so I got the A52s as the best all rounder, and didn't want to spend more money than needed.
Fortunately, my financials improved so I might just ditch it for the S23 Ultra when it's out.
TTmouse said:
I purchase a A52S because my old Galaxy s4 died after 8 years of use...
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Talk about reliability
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While taking pictures with camera set to 3x4 64 mpx you cannot use the zoom. All other modes for pictures you do have zoom. And sure once in gallery you can you can zoom any pic of course.
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Just use gcam

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