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Hello, I'm a long time lurker and a new member here. I bought this phone a week ago and I have a strange issue with it.
Honestly I have no idea where else to look for help, I've asked in several posts over on reddit and fb to no avail. I'll try to describe the issue to the best of my abilities.
Anyways, I've noticed that when I switch between apps there is a momentary flicker or increase in brightness of the screen. I searched for a while and found that the screen refresh rate drops to 90hz for a moment and goes back up again. I tried setting the display to 60 hz and the issue disappeared. I tried setting it to 90hz with SetEdit and the brightness increased a bit. As if the brightness setting for 90hz mode is a bit higher than 60 or 120 if that makes sense.
I have 2 videos below one in 120hz mode and the other in 60hz. The camera exaggerates the effect a bit but it's visible with the naked eye in low to moderate lighting conditions i.e indoor use.
https://imgur.com/a/idsj8UO
note that in 120hz mode the refresh rate drops to 90hz for a moment.
Is this normal or do I have a defective unit?
Thanks in advance
khaledegy99 said:
Hello, I'm a long time lurker and a new member here. I bought this phone a week ago and I have a strange issue with it.
Honestly I have no idea where else to look for help, I've asked in several posts over on reddit and fb to no avail. I'll try to describe the issue to the best of my abilities.
Anyways, I've noticed that when I switch between apps there is a momentary flicker or increase in brightness of the screen. I searched for a while and found that the screen refresh rate drops to 90hz for a moment and goes back up again. I tried setting the display to 60 hz and the issue disappeared. I tried setting it to 90hz with SetEdit and the brightness increased a bit. As if the brightness setting for 90hz mode is a bit higher than 60 or 120 if that makes sense.
I have 2 videos below one in 120hz mode and the other in 60hz. The camera exaggerates the effect a bit but it's visible with the naked eye in low to moderate lighting conditions i.e indoor use.
https://imgur.com/a/idsj8UO
note that in 120hz mode the refresh rate drops to 90hz for a moment.
Is this normal or do I have a defective unit?
Thanks in advance
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As for the Hz drop, this is normal when using this phone because it offers adaptive refresh rate (drops from 120Hz to 90Hz when you switch between apps). As for the flicker/brightness change, it does this to me too so I am guessing it's either a bug or just a result of the implementation of the adaptive refresh but can't be sure about that.
stavrosbin said:
As for the Hz drop, this is normal when using this phone because it offers adaptive refresh rate (drops from 120Hz to 90Hz when you switch between apps). As for the flicker/brightness change, it does this to me too so I am guessing it's either a bug or just a result of the implementation of the adaptive refresh but can't be sure about that.
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Is there anyway to force the display at constant 120hz?
khaledegy99 said:
Is there anyway to force the display at constant 120hz?
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Sorry for the long delay. I am pretty sure you can follow this tutorial for this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/comments/munn6k
. However, I am not 100% it is permanent so you will probably have to do it and see if it changes after a few days.
stavrosbin said:
Sorry for the long delay. I am pretty sure you can follow this tutorial for this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/comments/munn6k
. However, I am not 100% it is permanent so you will probably have to do it and see if it changes after a few days.
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It ain't permanent... Just switch to any aosp rom. I'm tired of ****king memeui.
I installed it for performance and convenience of many more features but dumb stuff like this is unbearable at this point. I've tried many more stuff other than this and usually just downloading setprop app and changing user_refresh_rate value to 0 disables refresh rate switching. But only for a while , doesn't survive reboots and locking screen or opening certain blackilsted apps like mobile legends and such that are hard locked by miui at certain screen refresh rates....
Do yourself a favour and uninstall Miui
Rstment ^m^ said:
It ain't permanent... Just switch to any aosp rom. I'm tired of ****king memeui.
I installed it for performance and convenience of many more features but dumb stuff like this is unbearable at this point. I've tried many more stuff other than this and usually just downloading setprop app and changing user_refresh_rate value to 0 disables refresh rate switching. But only for a while , doesn't survive reboots and locking screen or opening certain blackilsted apps like mobile legends and such that are hard locked by miui at certain screen refresh rates....
Do yourself a favour and uninstall Miui
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It is working for now. I'm planning to install arrowos. Do you know if it supports dc dimming for reading at night?
khaledegy99 said:
It is working for now. I'm planning to install arrowos. Do you know if it supports dc dimming for reading at night?
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No idea... It doesn't say anything
First days, after I got this phone, I've seen that the refresh rate is adaptive between 60 and 120hz. The last two days refresh rate got stuck on 120hz, no matter what I did, it was only 120hz, except some apps. Today it's back to adaptive. Bug maybe?
Some apps are stuck on 60hz all the time.
File manager - 60hz
Google photo - 60hz (by comparation, the gallery app is 120hz).
Music app- 60hz
Mi video - 60hz
YouTube - 60hz (scrolling the comments).
Sometimes settings app and the entire UI is stuck in 60hz untill I switch to 60 and back to 120.
My s21Ultra and Z Flip 3 are 120hz on YouTube and Google photo and all other apps.
I know you don't need 120hz to view a photo or video, but it's about scrolling. And apps look ugly when scrolling on 60hz after getting use to 120 for a long time.
There's a list of apps that are to be stuck on 60hz .... Inside battery and performance apk
You'll find games , apps and whatnot inside all limited to 60hz
Benchmark apps are also there For that extra performance boost you won't actually be able to use anywhere else...
I'm pissed because I want to play mobile legends at 120hz and am not able to !
I unlocked FPS to 120 but all in vain , phone is permanently stuck at 60hz...
just buy a new phone... Non Xiaomi
My first and last time using Xiaomi
Ps. I tried everything! Nothing works as a fix , only thing I didn't try is editing battery and performance app and removing apps I don't want it to limit...
I mean I tried but it broke the phone ...
( Bootloop and after I got out everything else was broken like fast charging, GPS , Cellular... )
IF you have time you can probably figure this out , sit by ur pc and keep trying until you get the phone to be able to boot with modified app... It will require tons of reflashing probably a day or two of work at least. It's possible but I'm not gonna be doing that for mobile legends...
YouTube, Google Photos etc being 60 Hz is on purpose by Xiaomi.
There is also a bug where your phone gets set to 60 Hz randomly for all apps. When that happens, you have to set 60 Hz and then 120 Hz again, or enable & disable Battery Saver through a Quick-Tile, that's faster.
dreamytom said:
YouTube, Google Photos etc being 60 Hz is on purpose by Xiaomi.
There is also a bug where your phone gets set to 60 Hz randomly for all apps. When that happens, you have to set 60 Hz and then 120 Hz again, or enable & disable Battery Saver through a Quick-Tile, that's faster.
You can remove the 60 Hz limit and force 120 Hz all the time without Root & with Root:
Root method:
1. Install this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.iamaner.oneclickfreeze
2. Disable the system-app "Battery & performance"
Non-root Method:
1. Get this program for Windows: https://github.com/Szaki/XiaomiADBFastbootTools
1.1 It needs Java installed. This Open Source version of Java worked for me: https://adoptopenjdk.net/
2. Enable "ADB Debugging" in Settings > Developer Options & connect phone to PC
3. Launch Xiaomi ADB Fastboot Tools, and disable "Battery & performance"
Basically, the system-app "Battery & performance" is doing the Refresh Rate-Limiting. It's safe to disable this system-app.
You will lose the item "Battery Saver" in App-Info's, but you can still disable Battery Optimisation in Settings > Privacy > Manage > Special app access > Battery Optimization.
In return, every game and every app that support 120 Hz, will use 120 Hz now.
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Is it possible to still keep the variable refresh rate? To have have 60hz when I'm not touching the screen?
dreamytom said:
YouTube, Google Photos etc being 60 Hz is on purpose by Xiaomi.
There is also a bug where your phone gets set to 60 Hz randomly for all apps. When that happens, you have to set 60 Hz and then 120 Hz again, or enable & disable Battery Saver through a Quick-Tile, that's faster.
You can remove the 60 Hz limit and force 120 Hz all the time without Root & with Root:
Root method:
1. Install this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.iamaner.oneclickfreeze
2. Disable the system-app "Battery & performance"
Non-root Method:
1. Get this program for Windows: https://github.com/Szaki/XiaomiADBFastbootTools
1.1 It needs Java installed. This Open Source version of Java worked for me: https://adoptopenjdk.net/
2. Enable "ADB Debugging" in Settings > Developer Options & connect phone to PC
3. Launch Xiaomi ADB Fastboot Tools, and disable "Battery & performance"
Basically, the system-app "Battery & performance" is doing the Refresh Rate-Limiting. It's safe to disable this system-app.
You will lose the item "Battery Saver" in App-Info's, but you can still disable Battery Optimisation in Settings > Privacy > Manage > Special app access > Battery Optimization.
In return, every game and every app that support 120 Hz, will use 120 Hz now.
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Removal or disabling of the app disables many features and breaks even many more....
Fast charging does not work , GPS is not able to track location real time and is messing up when it does report location... Cellular radio constantly turns on and off , that's only the few stuff I've notice before reflashing.
All on latest beta version ... I remember seeing the same on miui vn as well.
Refer back to my post above - either modify the app to remove the strings or don't touch it at all!
If you have free time try disabling it on the latest global beta with performance mode on and report back if the charging is gone ...
( This one likely requires flashing system to fix all of the issues following disabling/enabling the app... Even the simplest tweak to the adaptive refresh rate breaks the module completely - you get spastic switching between 60/120hz on touch in apps that render at 60fps . Correct behaviour would be for display to remain at 120hz for 2 seconds after touching screen but after pretty much any modification this behaviour changes and you get stuff like display going back and forward between 120/60hz WHILE YOU'RE TOUCHING THE SCREEN, or simply having it instantly switch to 60hz as soon as you stop touching screen. Both are insanely annoying and in both cases I had to flash system to fix all of this ... Clearing data will likely result in the same thing as well - like tldr. is don't disable/uninstall the app and don't touch it's data ! I'm yet to confirm whether modifying app while preserving data will be issue free or not ... But hopefully you get the point now )
It should be , only way I see it allowing for fast charge is if it's silently enabled for the background user ( Like when you enable dual app support ). In that case you'll have to test and see what works and what doesn't....
Overall I still do not recommend this , you probably will lose all the benefits from the performance mode toggle as it likely utilises this app for all the device tuning...
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Is it possible to still keep the variable refresh rate? To have have 60hz when I'm not touching the screen?
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It never goes away trust me. I've disabled every single app on this phone to the point where I've butchered the system enough that it wasn't able to boot again - and still the display would always go down to 60hz when not touching the screen.
It's likely that no app controls that , is kernel related or something like that so out of your hands.
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dreamytom said:
I think my method disables that! I haven't found a way to keep the "variable refresh rate".
Although I have to say, Poco F3 doesn't really have Variable Refresh-Rate Support. ^^ The term is not correct, even if people use that term for the Poco F3.
It's not hardware-supported like G-Sync or FreeSync monitors, so it can't adapt the Refresh-rate to e.g. the current FPS in games.
It just sets 60 Hz when you don't touch the screen, or when nothing is rendering on the screen. It's simple software-logic.
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Thanks for your answer. If you disable battery & performance app, can that cause battery drain? The continuous use of 120hz?
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dreamytom said:
That's not true.
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5,7 A x 4,2 V = 22 Watt Charging for me right now
It's not charging at 32 Watt for me right now, but the Charging-behaviour is exactly the same as before disabling the system-app. It's safe.
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Which rom are you on ? Latest global beta with performance mode enabled or something else? I didn't have the issue on earlier miui before performance mode but now it's the same thing whenever I uninstall the app. I have it stuck at 2000mah charging ( Battery is basically not charging at all when gaming as those 2000 mah soon get eaten up when cpu and GPU ramp up so you end up actually discharging while plugged in )
Unless you use app like cpu float I can't really compare our results... ( It's asking me to recalibrate battery before I'm even able to use the app or see current and I'd rather not go through that when the battery is well calibrated already... )
I've attached screenshot bellow , now it's showing 15000 charging at 100% battery , it goes up to 25000 when the device is at like 20% battery. With original cable I've seen it go up to 35000/50000 current so definitely not correct metrics , but overall it's consistent.
Now when I remove the battery and performance app it drops all the way down to showing -2000 as current , and when a game is opened up it goes into positive 500 - 1000 range. ( Negative means charging, positive means discharging by that amount ).
I've had it happen last 2 times after removal of the app , instantly the fast charging works no more and phone drains while plugged in. ( I've uninstalled the app so disabling it might keep the fast charge but I can't say whether performance mode tunings will remain )
Rstment ^m^ said:
Which rom are you on ? Latest global beta with performance mode enabled or something else? I didn't have the issue on earlier miui before performance mode but now it's the same thing whenever I uninstall the app. I have it stuck at 2000mah charging ( Battery is basically not charging at all when gaming as those 2000 mah soon get eaten up when cpu and GPU ramp up so you end up actually discharging while plugged in )
Unless you use app like cpu float I can't really compare our results... ( It's asking me to recalibrate battery before I'm even able to use the app or see current and I'd rather not go through that when the battery is well calibrated already... )
I've attached screenshot bellow , now it's showing 15000 charging at 100% battery , it goes up to 25000 when the device is at like 20% battery. With original cable I've seen it go up to 35000/50000 current so definitely not correct metrics , but overall it's consistent.
Now when I remove the battery and performance app it drops all the way down to showing -2000 as current , and when a game is opened up it goes into positive 500 - 1000 range. ( Negative means charging, positive means discharging by that amount ).
I've had it happen last 2 times after removal of the app , instantly the fast charging works no more and phone drains while plugged in. ( I've uninstalled the app so disabling it might keep the fast charge but I can't say whether performance mode tunings will remain )
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I use the latest Xiaomi.eu Weekly.
AccuBattery's "Recalibration" just means it does a little check. It will ask you to connect your phone to a charger. It doesn't modify anything.
The negative current in your screenshot means it's discharging. And yes I also think your mentioned 25000, 35000/50000 milliAmps or Amps are not correct.
@ione2380 @Rstment ^m^
Don't do my method! It's not safe actually. I found out that disabling system-app "Battery & performance" breaks some background activity.
I'm really sorry. I edited my posts to remove mentions of that method.
dreamytom said:
@ione2380 @Rstment ^m^
Don't do my method! It's not safe actually. I found out that disabling system-app "Battery & performance" breaks some background activity.
I'm really sorry. I edited my posts to remove mentions of that method.
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It's been two days since the problem disappeared. I have 120gz in all the apps and no 60hz drops at all. The only thing I changed is I logged out of mi account. I'm on EEA latest stable stock.
Just clear data on battery and performance. That locks display at 120.Im using phone like that for 20 days now. Didnt notice any problems after it, but use with caution. To revert you just need to reboot phone.
I won't be watching this thread further... But everyone that replied saying no problems with this / that - enable show refresh rate inside developers option and use it for a day or two while gaming/doing whatever...
It's not that there are no problems ... It's just that you don't know how to look for them.
I've used all these fixes before and now I'm not using any because of the aforementioned problems like what's described in my first post. Fast charging and GPS mishaps are new stuff that I haven't seen before this beta , you might not see if you're not on my software build but everything else like refresh rate acting spastically is old news and will happen if you mess with the app ... Reboot does "fix" the refresh rate by going back to enforcing 60hz locks but it still exhibits spastic behaviour randomly
If you need that 120hz unlocked for a specific app and you aren't able to modify the app instead of butchering it like this then go for it ...
Everyone else steer clear, you're introducing lots of instability to your phone all for that 120hz scrolling inside YouTube...
Well I'm on 12.5.3 eea. If its that bad maybe i wont update when it comes
In 12.5.6 stable, clearing data from battery and performance app isn't doing the trick anymore. Some apps are forever stuck on 60hz now.
Yeah. And i forgot to disable auto update
Im using youtube vanced now and have normal youtube disabled so at least that stays 120hz.
You can bug ouy normal youtube by going to recent apps ,then clearing them and doing that few times, but thats just bug.
We should pressure them to give us ability to enable that as an option. like fill their feedback app with that suggestion
Go to developer options, logger buffer sizes and set it to off. That fixed the file manager being stuck on 60fps for me.
I've just set up my phone, and from all the videos never seen anyone comenting on the LTPO panel refresh rate. Tested the screen by enabling the FPS counter in developer settings and noticed it never goes down to 10hz. Even worse - always on stays locked at 120hz and home screen locks at 60hz. Is there something I am missing, or is it a bug?
IvanPTachev said:
I've just set up my phone, and from all the videos never seen anyone comenting on the LTPO panel refresh rate. Tested the screen by enabling the FPS counter in developer settings and noticed it never goes down to 10hz. Even worse - always on stays locked at 120hz and home screen locks at 60hz. Is there something I am missing, or is it a bug?
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I've seen on other device threads were the built in FPS counter doesn't show the actual refresh rate and only bounces between those two. Can't recall what method was used but there are other apps that will display the proper info.
I see. I read on the Xda review, that it fluctuates between 60-120 so wanted to test and see if thats true, as I would imagine it dropping down to 10hz would be way better for battery performance.
This review is confirming that too. The variable refresh rate is definitely broken...
JDUS said:
This review is confirming that too. The variable refresh rate is definitely broken...
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As I understand it, SurfaceFlinger only sees 60 and 120, but can't see below 60. It is the display controller that sees below 60, so I suspect the Poco X3 has a different display controller than the Pixel 6 Pro. I think the Pixel 6 Pro would have to have a different display controller to allow the the developer options refresh rate to display anything below 60.
Anyone having an issue where the phone just drops down to 60hz even thou the slider is set on 120hz?? Happens about once a day for me the only way to fix it is a reboot
Joelbrentbell said:
Anyone having an issue where the phone just drops down to 60hz even thou the slider is set on 120hz?? Happens about once a day for me the only way to fix it is a reboot
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Are you using tasker? I noticed in tasker that one of the tasks I had running dropped the display down to 60hz. Either that or it lowered performance in some way.
I am not using tasker the phone is 100% stock don't know why I'm having this issue
The Oneplus 9 Pro was meant to go down 1Hz when looking at static content but no one can verify that, according to GSM Arena.
If the static content can be a GIF image, one can easily verify the 1 Hz claim if the GIF updates only once every second.
The LTPO display seems a mess. Totally broken.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1455577873209864198
Joelbrentbell said:
Anyone having an issue where the phone just drops down to 60hz even thou the slider is set on 120hz?? Happens about once a day for me the only way to fix it is a reboot
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yes, i am having the exact same issue.
i reckon it could be due to some app which hangs in the background as i already witnessed that if you listen to telegram or whatsapp voice messages and minimize the messenger app, you get the same issue.
I truly am not a person who feels I need to point fingers at the competition in order to feel better, but this is interesting: Samsung attempts to explain Galaxy S22 screen refresh-rate shenanigans
I just noticed, whilst playing around with the Show Refresh option (developer options), that the phone constantly uses 120hz whilst having AOD enabled - shouldn't it go down to 60hz? I know that some people here thought Google would set it to 10hz, but that was debunked a while ago. As of now, only Apple cycles correctly between different VRR modi (Google only does 60/120Hz, Apple does 24/30/60/90/120 as far as I know)
It seems odd that the phone is running a high refresh rate, when only a portion of the screen is running, completely still without anything running on the screen expect a static image.
Hopefully, it's yet another aspect that will get ironed out in further Android 12 updates.
Pixel 6 Pro Consuming More Power In 60Hz Mode Than In 120Hz One
The Google Pixel 6 Pro seems to be consuming more power in 60Hz mode, than it does in 120Hz mode. Needless to say, this is not normal, as higher refresh
www.androidheadlines.com
Anyone else notice the phone also got super snappy and smooth all the time? I tried turning on show refresh rate an hour ago just to find out the phone never go back down to 60hz.
I tried not touching the screen untill it actually auto lock, opening youtube, netflix, tiktok, chrome, settings etc etc. I even rebooted and no change. Battery life has been slightly better which is kinda weird though.
Also i checked twice, the force peak refresh rate is turned off.
Try clearing the system cache.
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Anyone else notice the phone also got super snappy and smooth all the time? I tried turning on show refresh rate an hour ago just to find out the phone never go back down to 60hz.
I tried not touching the screen untill it actually auto lock, opening youtube, netflix, tiktok, chrome, settings etc etc. I even rebooted and no change. Battery life has been slightly better which is kinda weird though.
Also i checked twice, the force peak refresh rate is turned off.
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I just checked my phone (updated to .037), and the refresh rate is still dropping to 60hz whenever there is no input, so the adaptive refresh rate still works on my end.
My phone is dropping to 60 when there's no input as well. I just played a YouTube video and it went to 60.
On my device i have the exact same problem. As you already described, it is "always" on 120hz - it only jumps down to 60 Hz for a very brief moment, then again reaches the 120hz. This cicle is repeating itself as long as the display is turned on.
I already tried disabling all overlay services and other settings that could, as far as I could think of, have an impact on these behavior, like apps that have access to usage or device controll etc.
But as for now, I don't have a solution for this.
The strange part is that i also have a better display on time since the last update, but after checking the battery temperature for the last week (i installed the .037 on thursday) it reaches higher temperatures now as it was before the update, with around 34 Celsius on .036 vs 38 Celsius on .037 after around an hour of the same activities in the mostly same environment. The temperature difference does make sense for me, because the screen won't chill as it should. On the other hand, the longer battery life does'nt seem to fit too well in this picture.
Rauchinator said:
On my device i have the exact same problem. As you already described, it is "always" on 120hz - it only jumps down to 60 Hz for a very brief moment, then again reaches the 120hz. This cicle is repeating itself as long as the display is turned on.
I already tried disabling all overlay services and other settings that could, as far as I could think of, have an impact on these behavior, like apps that have access to usage or device controll etc.
But as for now, I don't have a solution for this.
The strange part is that i also have a better display on time since the last update, but after checking the battery temperature for the last week (i installed the .037 on thursday) it reaches higher temperatures now as it was before the update, with around 34 Celsius on .036 vs 38 Celsius on .037 after around an hour of the same activities in the mostly same environment. The temperature difference does make sense for me, because the screen won't chill as it should. On the other hand, the longer battery life does'nt seem to fit too well in this picture.
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As far as we know, it's currently buggy anyway, since the
Pixel 6 Pro is consuming more power in 60Hz mode than in 120Hz one*
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Pixel 6 Pro Consuming More Power In 60Hz Mode Than In 120Hz One
The Google Pixel 6 Pro seems to be consuming more power in 60Hz mode, than it does in 120Hz mode. Needless to say, this is not normal, as higher refresh
www.androidheadlines.com
*in certain scenarios, like low brightness
Battery life tests have also shown that there is only a minor difference in battery life between 60hz or 120hz, so it doesn't really matter and you should - because of that - 120hz anyway since it's a much better experience.
Anyone from the UK had this update yet?
I only ask because I don't have any major issues and fingers crossed this update doesn't make anything worse.
wilpang said:
Anyone from the UK had this update yet?
I only ask because I don't have any major issues and fingers crossed this update doesn't make anything worse.
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Officially it's only a rollout in the USA and Canada, it will come to the rest of the world with the December update (or you manually sideload it, as I did).
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Officially it's only a rollout in the USA and Canada, it will come to the rest of the world with the December update (or you manually sideload it, as I did).
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Notice anything major from the update?
Morgrain said:
As far as we know, it's currently buggy anyway, since the
Pixel 6 Pro Consuming More Power In 60Hz Mode Than In 120Hz One
The Google Pixel 6 Pro seems to be consuming more power in 60Hz mode, than it does in 120Hz mode. Needless to say, this is not normal, as higher refresh
www.androidheadlines.com
*in certain scenarios, like low brightness
Battery life tests have also shown that there is only a minor difference in battery life between 60hz or 120hz, so it doesn't really matter and you should - because of that - 120hz anyway since it's a much better experience.
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Adaptive refresh is totally borked on the 6Pro.