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Any reason we can't use a generic or old charger ?

I have a couple of generic chargers I've been using with my note 2 for a couple of years. I realize these will charge slower than the samsung fast charge charger but is there any reason we can't use them or will they impact battery life (I would think they would increase battery life); i supect the answer is that they are fine but maybe battery technology has changed and there is some 'smarts' between charger and battery that would be damaged by these ?

No issue using your old charger except as you mentioned it won't be fast charging. I do not believe that the fast charging will hurt the battery. The fast charge only works for the first portion of the charge then the rate of charge slows to a trickle charge.

U can use any charger but i recommend to use any charger with 2amp output as it charges quick 40% in 30 mins insteas of 50%in 30 mins with original.
Original charger has two modes 9v and 5v it charges with 9v untill 50% and switches to 5v after that.

I think the unit i use is a sanyo 800ma 5 volt. I don't mind the slwo charge as long as it can't harm the battery. This is only used during travel and office; @ home I use the charger that came with the device.

You can definitely use another charger. Like said before it wont charge as fast. The adapter that comes with the phone will charge your phone at 9v instead of the normal 5v. If you use a different usb cable with the charger it will still charge at 9v. If you change the adapter, it will charge at the normal 5v whether you use the another usb cable or the one that came with the phone. The usb cable is just wires. The wall adapter is what determines how fast it will charge...

Fast Charge

Hi guys, the Zenfone 3 deluxe supports qualcom quick charge 3.0 however it seems to be locked to the oem charger. Any other licenced qc 3.0 charger does not quick charge the phone. How hard would it be to get around this? Mainly for qc 3.0 powerbanks.

Huffy1 said:
Hi guys, the Zenfone 3 deluxe supports qualcom quick charge 3.0 however it seems to be locked to the oem charger. Any other licenced qc 3.0 charger does not quick charge the phone. How hard would it be to get around this? Mainly for qc 3.0 powerbanks.
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This is not true. I am using this one - https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01EH11AS8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
and the quick charge 3.0 works fine. I am still using the original type-c cable that came with the phone though.
Note: Make sure that you have plugged in the USB end of the charger correctly, push it all the way in. If it's only pushed in partially, then you may not be getting the full power for Quick Charge. You can verify this by using a tool like AIDA64 from the playstore and checking the "Charge Rate" under battery.

This is where I was told it's not supported.
wap.ithome.com/html/262150.htm
Does it say Fast charging on the lock screen?

Huffy1 said:
This is where I was told it's not supported.
wap.ithome.com/html/262150.htm
Does it say Fast charging on the lock screen?
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Update: Sorry guys, I realized that the OEM charger is indeed much faster at charging. Read posts below.

postimg.org/image/6wis1rux1/ - using licenced qc3.0 charger
postimg.org/image/ndr13s0pv/ - using oem charger.
Further test screen off
15min charge with licenced qc3.0 gives 13%
15min charge with oem charger gives 27%
Same test with screen on (playing video)
15mins with either charger yields about 15%, no noticible difference. Seems like the oem charger throttles when screen is on.
All tests are run when the battery is below 20%.
Same oem cable used for all tests.
Using the oem charger to fully charge my phone does it nearly twice as fast as the qc3.0 charger.
Don't know how your able to achieve the same speed regardless of charger

Hi guys, I've been experiencing the same problem with original charger, that's very big and it's seems that didn't have quick charge. I've a samsung charger and with samsung charger it wroks fine. I'll try to well plug thw original , but, it's thinner samssung's one.

Huffy1 said:
postimg.org/image/6wis1rux1/ - using licenced qc3.0 charger
postimg.org/image/ndr13s0pv/ - using oem charger.
Further test screen off
15min charge with licenced qc3.0 gives 13%
15min charge with oem charger gives 27%
Same test with screen on (playing video)
15mins with either charger yields about 15%, no noticible difference. Seems like the oem charger throttles when screen is on.
All tests are run when the battery is below 20%.
Same oem cable used for all tests.
Using the oem charger to fully charge my phone does it nearly twice as fast as the qc3.0 charger.
Don't know how your able to achieve the same speed regardless of charger
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Interesting ... I stand corrected now regarding the "Fast Charging" on the lock screen.
I never used the original charger because I bought mine directly from Taiwan which has an US plug which I cannot use here in Germany directly without an extension.
I tried the OEM charger now with an adapter and yes you are right, the Charge Rate with the OEM charger is 2 times faster than with other chargrers.
OEM charger - 2900ma charge rate
Other charger - 1300ma charge rate
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Actually now I'm confused. When I plugged in the OEM charger, it said "Fast Charging" for a short while and then it says "Charging". The Charge rate also came down from 3000ma to 1300ma and down to 800ma when the battery is at 90%.
I will do some proper tests with the different chargers and post back.

Confirmed: OEM charger is much faster than other QC 3.0 chargers

When the phone reaches 70-80%, the charging rate will slow down and just trickle charge. This is normal as it can be dangerous to keep charging at Fast speeds when the battery is close to full capacity. So if your phone has 80% and you put it on charge, it will not Fast charge regardless of the charger you use.

Huffy1 said:
When the phone reaches 70-80%, the charging rate will slow down and just trickle charge. This is normal as it can be dangerous to keep charging at Fast speeds when the battery is close to full capacity. So if your phone has 80% and you put it on charge, it will not Fast charge regardless of the charger you use.
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Thanks for the information

I can also confirm fast charging doesn't work with my QC 2.0 charger. Interesting thing to note is it outputs 5V - 2A and 9V -2A. My guess is this charger from Asus that fast charges the Zenfone 2 would work on our phones because it has the same outputs if you read the description. It's worth a shot and you could always return it to Amazon if it doesn't work.
http://store.asus.com/us/item/20150...nFone+2+&+T100CHI+18W+Power+Adapter+and+Cable
Also sold at Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Charger-Zenfone2-T100CHI-Retail-packaging/dp/B00XR0FBYK
It would be nice to remove the red light when the phone is charging. Maybe it's something that can only be removed after rooting?

pacattack81 said:
I can also confirm fast charging doesn't work with my QC 2.0 charger. Interesting thing to note is it outputs 5V - 2A and 9V -2A. My guess is this charger from Asus that fast charges the Zenfone 2 would work on our phones because it has the same outputs if you read the description. It's worth a shot and you could always return it to Amazon if it doesn't work.
http://store.asus.com/us/item/20150...nFone+2+&+T100CHI+18W+Power+Adapter+and+Cable
Also sold at Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Charger-Zenfone2-T100CHI-Retail-packaging/dp/B00XR0FBYK
It would be nice to remove the red light when the phone is charging. Maybe it's something that can only be removed after rooting?
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Unfortunately, even though the charger referenced above has the same outputs it doesn't fast charge. Seems you can only fast charge with the included charger. At least we can use our own charging cable. If anyone gets another charger to fast charge the device let us know. It doesn't appear Asus sells the included charger on it's webpage yet.

Not allowing the standard quickcharge charger to work forces people to once again purchase / replace current QC chargers.
One tick to the CONs side of the evaluation.

ewingr said:
Not allowing the standard quickcharge charger to work forces people to once again purchase / replace current QC chargers.
One tick to the CONs side of the evaluation.
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At this moment, I don't really think it's a CON side...
The quality of all those QC2.x/3.x charger are not even today (may get better in future, however I really doubt those cheap, knock-off charger from China). Some are good, some are outright bad. QC is quite sensitive with the voltage/current delivered by the charger (it's by design of QC, I believe) and not optimum voltage/current will shorten the battery life at best, create danger at worst scenario.
LiPo battery is really not designed to be charged in high speed. The associated temperature issues needs to be check very carefully and charge current needs to be controlled strictly to avoid dangerous thermal runaway. It cannot only be done by phone itself and need co-work from adaptor (switching voltage, for instance.) Thus an adaptor which have good communication with phone is a safety requirement as far as QC is concerned.

Same with me. I bought a wall charger aukey PA-16 and a car charger Aukey CC-T8. Using the ampere APP, The original zenfone charger gets 2800 mAh. And the aukey chargers up to 1300 mAh.

K6 charger also does not enable Quick Charge function on 570KL
Input type: 100-240V 50-60Hz 0.5A - Quick charge 3.0 output: 3.6V-6.5V-3A/6.5V-9V-2A/9V-12V-1.5A - Power: 18W

I am wondering if someone achieved any solution to remove OEM charger lock to use fast charge with third party Qualcomm Certified Chargers/Power Banks?

Sorry to resume this thread but i lost my oem charger and id like to get one that works with the zenfone 3 deluxe and quickcharge. Can anyone post a link where i can buy it or maybe the model number of the charger? The EU version would be nice.
Thanks

Any solution to the original question?
pacattack81 said:
I can also confirm fast charging doesn't work with my QC 2.0 charger. Interesting thing to note is it outputs 5V - 2A and 9V -2A. My guess is this charger from Asus that fast charges the Zenfone 2 would work on our phones because it has the same outputs if you read the description. It's worth a shot and you could always return it to Amazon if it doesn't work.
http://store.asus.com/us/item/20150...nFone+2+&+T100CHI+18W+Power+Adapter+and+Cable
Also sold at Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Charger-Zenfone2-T100CHI-Retail-packaging/dp/B00XR0FBYK
It would be nice to remove the red light when the phone is charging. Maybe it's something that can only be removed after rooting?
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ASUS locked the fast charge function to the OEM QC 2.0 charger that comes with the phone (it will NOT work even with other ASUS QC 2.0 - or 3.0 - chargers, only with the specific type/"model" that came with the phone). Therefore we don't get QC3.0 - as advertised - at all. The QC3.0 compatibility with 3rd party chargers, powerbanks and car chargers was disabled with one of the updates, I think it was the Android 7.0 Update (that replaced Android 6.0) that removed QC3 compatibility. So... any ideas how to re-enable the QC 3.0 functionality?

Quick charge was disabled for other chargers from day one. I'm still on marshmallow (Android 6.0) and only the charger that came with the phone works with quick charge.

Quick charging questions - LG G7 ThinQ

Lots of questions here...
G7 comes with QC 3.0 although the chipset can support QC 4.0 as per Qualcomm. I see on other forums that users can tell when their phone is quick-charging or slow-charging.
1) Does the G7 let you know what speed it is charging at? I'd like to know so I can swap out cables, chargers, Qi pad, to get the fastest charging rate.
2) Is there a difference between Samsung's Fast Charging, and Qualcomm's QC 3.0?
3) If a charger says that it is compatible with Samsung S9's or S9+'s fast charging, will it fast charge the G7?
4) is there a QC Qi pad that is compatible with our QC 3.0 phone? If so, can I assume that I would still need to power it with a QC 3.0 wall wart?
5) Will a USB-PD or USB-IF charger quick charge our phones?
6) What is the minimum QC cable type (USB 2.0, 3.0, or 3.1) needed to get the maximum QC 3.0 charge? Does it have to be a 3.1 cable?
7) I've seen that when I put the G7 on my 1st gen Qi pad (5W micro-USB) that the phone screen lights up, and a circle briefly appears with the charged percentage in the center (while phone is on stand-by). If the phone is unlocked and the display is on, a white window telling me it is wirelessly charging shows up and tells me how long until the phone will be fully charged (again, when placed on a Qi pad). It's currently telling me 19 minutes to full charge from 93%. Is there a way to get this remaining-time info while cable-charging through the USB-C port?
Thanks!

andygold said:
Lots of questions here...
G7 comes with QC 3.0 although the chipset can support QC 4.0 as per Qualcomm. I see on other forums that users can tell when their phone is quick-charging or slow-charging.
1) Does the G7 let you know what speed it is charging at? I'd like to know so I can swap out cables, chargers, Qi pad, to get the fastest charging rate.
2) Is there a difference between Samsung's Fast Charging, and Qualcomm's QC 3.0?
3) If a charger says that it is compatible with Samsung S9's or S9+'s fast charging, will it fast charge the G7?
4) is there a QC Qi pad that is compatible with our QC 3.0 phone? If so, can I assume that I would still need to power it with a QC 3.0 wall wart?
5) Will a USB-PD or USB-IF charger quick charge our phones?
6) What is the minimum QC cable type (USB 2.0, 3.0, or 3.1) needed to get the maximum QC 3.0 charge? Does it have to be a 3.1 cable?
7) I've seen that when I put the G7 on my 1st gen Qi pad (5W micro-USB) that the phone screen lights up, and a circle briefly appears with the charged percentage in the center (while phone is on stand-by). If the phone is unlocked and the display is on, a white window telling me it is wirelessly charging shows up and tells me how long until the phone will be fully charged (again, when placed on a Qi pad). It's currently telling me 19 minutes to full charge from 93%. Is there a way to get this remaining-time info while cable-charging through the USB-C port?
Thanks!
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The charge rate of the phone irrespective of the chargers we use, it is controlled by the stock kernel. When screen is on, it lowers down the amperage (See Ampere App) to keep off the heat, vice versa etc. We need a custom kernel to have the charging amperes to be changed manually which is really cool. If we have a really cool custom kernel, the CPU governors should preset customisable governors (for smooth performance) and for the charge values, just look for a 3A charger, with the Kernel Adiutor change the values. Meaning the benefits of rooting gives us the complete freedom of our Android! If a 4A charger is detected by the kernel manager app, the charge values should show as "upto 4A even with the screen on! Then no need to be jealous of Dash Charging of One Plus!

I think this article will help you out... Breaks it all down... Samsung charger are not the greatest for fast charging but works better than a basic one... Ultimately I would say USB c to USB c with USB PD is your fastest with QC 3.0/4.0 being a close second..
https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-does-fast-charging-work/
I don't see that wireless fast charging is b supported by the g7 ... That's a Samsung gimmick ... But the Qi standard chargers charge at the same rate as a basic charger... The lock screen always tells you how long until full no matter what charger you are using and it will say fast charging, wireless or just charging... My observations have been around 1.5 hour for 60 percent to full so about 5 hours if dead, great before going to sleep and I missed it in my least few phones

two_cents said:
I think this article will help you out... Breaks it all down... Samsung charger are not the greatest for fast charging but works better than a basic one... Ultimately I would say USB c to USB c with USB PD is your fastest with QC 3.0/4.0 being a close second..
https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-does-fast-charging-work/
I don't see that wireless fast charging is b supported by the g7 ... That's a Samsung gimmick ... But the Qi standard chargers charge at the same rate as a basic charger... The lock screen always tells you how long until full no matter what charger you are using and it will say fast charging, wireless or just charging... My observations have been around 1.5 hour for 60 percent to full so about 5 hours if dead, great before going to sleep and I missed it in my least few phones
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Thanks! I noticed you do not have a G7 listed as a current phone in your signature. Is your answer above based upon your experience with Samsung phones and their charging system, or specifically with the G7 (or other QC 3.0 phones)?
I hadn't notice the charging speed on the lock screen, as I have the phone set to basically bypass it all the time (fingerprint, facial recognition, & geo-fence)...so I didn't even know it was listed there on the bottom. Thanks again...now I know it's there
Strange thing is I went through a bunch of permutations with cables (various generations), and charge blocks and Qi pads this morning, and with the phone starting at 93% charged, it made no difference in remaining charge time no matter what combination of the items I hooked up. I saw the standard "charging" memo with some combos, and the "fast charging" one too, with others. Can I assume that even though the phone might say it's fast charging, it ramps the speed/power level up and down as necessary due to the current state of charge, or heat or some other factors? Would it also possibly switch into fast-charging with more power if the phone was starting at a lower state of charge, or possibly cooler?Yes, I'll have to read the link above as it's probably covered there

"Fast Wireless Charging" is supported and working.
I have a RavPower 15w and 3 umdigi 15w qi wireless pads that all say wirelessly fast charging when connected. Needs an 18w QC2-3 charger for the input voltage ranges needed to work.
It is noticeably faster than a 10w qi pad and only slightly slower than QC 3.0 USB average charge.
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datafoo said:
"Fast Wireless Charging" is supported and working.
I have a RavPower 15w and 3 umdigi 15w qi wireless pads that all say wirelessly fast charging when connected. Needs an 18w QC2-3 charger for the input voltage ranges needed to work.
It is noticeably faster than a 10w qi pad and only slightly slower than QC 3.0 USB average charge.
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Of the 2 Qi pads you mention, any preferences towards one or the other (or a different one altogether)? I have an Anker QC 3.0 charger I can connect up to it.
BTW.. I cannot locate a 15W Ravpower pad. What model is it? And is the Umdigi a model Q1?

andygold said:
Thanks! I noticed you do not have a G7 listed as a current phone in your signature. Is your answer above based upon your experience with Samsung phones and their charging system, or specifically with the G7 (or other QC 3.0 phones)?
I hadn't notice the charging speed on the lock screen, as I have the phone set to basically bypass it all the time (fingerprint, facial recognition, & geo-fence)...so I didn't even know it was listed there on the bottom. Thanks again...now I know it's there
Strange thing is I went through a bunch of permutations with cables (various generations), and charge blocks and Qi pads this morning, and with the phone starting at 93% charged, it made no difference in remaining charge time no matter what combination of the items I hooked up. I saw the standard "charging" memo with some combos, and the "fast charging" one too, with others. Can I assume that even though the phone might say it's fast charging, it ramps the speed/power level up and down as necessary due to the current state of charge, or heat or some other factors? Would it also possibly switch into fast-charging with more power if the phone was starting at a lower state of charge, or possibly cooler?Yes, I'll have to read the link above as it's probably covered there
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My pixel screen went bad and the charging port went bad also... Just got the g7 so I haven't changed my signature or updated my devices...
Samsung Fast charge is basically qc2 ... And standard USB A to C do not support the higher current that USB C to C does... I notice fastest charging with my pixel USB PD charger...
And yes you won't notice as much fast charging from the top 20 percent of the battery to prevent over charging...

for me, from 25% of charge, the fast charge advertisement says 1 hour and 20 minutes (charge fast???????).... if i use a normal charger (not fast), the time goes to 1 hour and 31 minutes. this phone has a charge fast but very low fast

andygold said:
Of the 2 Qi pads you mention, any preferences towards one or the other (or a different one altogether)? I have an Anker QC 3.0 charger I can connect up to it.
BTW.. I cannot locate a 15W Ravpower pad. What model is it? And is the Umdigi a model Q1?
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I know it's hard from a specs perspective as most are only 75% efficient so the 10w might only be 7.5w and 15w is actually 10w, which is why LG customer services expressly states you must use a 15w QI charger for fast wireless charging. Another problem is the specs aren't always accurate and updated devices might still have old specs listed. I tried a bunch before I found a couple I liked. The mophie streampad+ also does fast wireless charging but is listed as 10w.
The RavPower is a standup charger I use in the office, the other UmDigi chargers I have scattered around the house and in the bedroom.
RavPower: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B079C1QLCR
UmDigi: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DJ56LT5

Did a little charge test from 50 percent
Wireless charger =1h 40m
Stock iPhone charger =1h 14m
Both pixel USB C to C and stock fast charger =1h 2m

I'm in the market for a qi charger that can fast charge my Thinq g7. I see reports of needing 15W but not seeing many out there that have that spec.
I have seen a RavPower one posted here that is said to do it but the price is quite high for that model. Does anyone else have experience with fast charging the thinq g7 with a Qi charger?

I have Samsung Fast wireless charger. This present with S7. Fast charging battery of S7 Edge, S9+. But G7 didn't support fast wireless charging. And charging is slow. So you can buy what you want but charging with this phone will be slow.
I read this topic and wondering how G7 is going to wireless fast charge?
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Just thought I'd add to this - the charger that comes with the LG G7 ThinQ (Verizon) is labeled with outputs 9V/1.8A and 5V/1.8A. My old HTC 10 charger is labeled 12V/1.25A, 9V/1.7A, 5V/2.5A. I haven't tried it on the HTC 10's charger on a measuring device to see actual power delivery, but at least on the face of it, if it supports those higher voltages and/or amps, you should be able to get faster charging than with the charger out of the box.
On the other hand, faster charging may in part be why the HTC 10's battery lifetime is dismal, and not once have I thought "boy I wish my G7 would charge faster".

Anyone tried qc4.0 ?

According to some sites ThinQ is capable of 27W (9x3) charging. I therefore purchased a Xiaomi 65W charger which outputs 9x3 but the phone charges only with 15W (5x3) so wasted money.

Yes. I bought 3 different chargers and also a watt meter. When charging with screen on max amps is 1A and 6-8wattage. When screen is off it goes up to max 16watt. And it doesnt matter which charger i use.
80min for a full chsrge isnt that good. But think that lg g7 released in 2018?
Vivos IC00 something charges full in 20min. 4000mAh.
Im sick of "..reduced charging speed cause it can in a long term reduce battery......" who gives..? Then if you notice a different is gonna take 3 years and if still got same phone. Switch battery.
Look at Tesla batteries whos battery lost like 10 percent after 30000 km. I mean..come on

Im on 72% now and it says 45min to full.

A specialised site reported it would charge at 27W (9V x 3A) but this is simply not true. The best it can charge is 15W (5V x 3A). Thats it.

Charger that gets the same charging speed as the stock one

I'm looking for something other than the stock charger that will charge my Pixel just as fast as the charger that came with it. I've tried a few but none have come close to the charging speed of the OEM charger. Are there any specific chargers that anyone would recommend over others. Especially if it's a fast charging wireless. My old wireless Samsung charger wouldn't work at all.

iPad pro 2018 replacement charger should hit the same speed since it's USB-PD 18w

Question Really slow car charging since A13!!!

Hi all, I'm hoping that someone much smarter here can help me. **My phone is at 50% battery while conducting these tests. I've tried 4 different usb cables and 4 different vehicles and 4 different usb car plugs (1amp, 3amp 2.5amp 30w) my P6P only charges at 800ma but fluctuates wildly from 40ma to 400ma to 250ma to 800ma. I have turned off adaptive battery and the such. no joy. I don't recall this issue with A12. I'd really prefer to not have to factory reset...but......
PS I have no issues with same cables attached to my wall charge station, which charges 5 devices @1.5amp each. My P6P shows a steady 1500ma.

You aren't fast charging unless you have a PPS or PD charger with a Type-C cable. Doesn't matter which DC port or cable you use. Your car's USB ports are not fast.
VELOGK Super Fast Type C Car Charger [73W Turbo], Metal Adaptive 55W 45W PPS/PD&QC3.0 USB C Car Adapter[Super Fast Charging 2.0]for Samsung S22/S21/S20 Ultra/Note 20/10 Plus,iPad Pro/Air,Macbook,Pixel https://a.co/d/glhc0OY

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You aren't fast charging unless you have a PPS or PD charger with a Type-C cable. Doesn't matter which DC port or cable you use. Your car's USB ports are not fast.
VELOGK Super Fast Type C Car Charger [73W Turbo], Metal Adaptive 55W 45W PPS/PD&QC3.0 USB C Car Adapter[Super Fast Charging 2.0]for Samsung S22/S21/S20 Ultra/Note 20/10 Plus,iPad Pro/Air,Macbook,Pixel https://a.co/d/glhc0OY
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I'm not talking about fast charging. I just need to get the 1.5amps I was getting before with the same setup as I was getting on A12 This is the charger I just bought hoping it would fix the sub 1amp charge rate I'm getting, Without getting 1 amp rate, my phone looses power while driving and using maps and such apps. This was not an issue with A12

Amps don't matter when you're still stuck at 5V.
It should work though. No point in buying a charger with only USB-A.

I had this issue Android 13 until Sept update even with USBC PD PPS 65W charger, phone was draining using maps. now no.
Also I do not believe that Pixel phone supports QC for quick charge so you might be lucky to get 1amp charging from USB A