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Does removing Sense 4.0 = Stock ICS?

Hi, I see options for uninstalling sense in some ROMs. If I do so, will I be left with stock ICS? If not, why not and what would I gain by trying to go with something like cyanogenmod?
I am mainly interested in losing Sense b/c I hear that it's a battery hog.
Thank you!

No, as Sense is more than just the launcher. It'll be as close as you go get without using an AOSP-based ROM

Not exactly
It will still have HTC elements in it

Thanks, can you answer what the expected battery life improvement would be in going from a senseless ROM to an AOSP based rom like cyanogenmod? Just roughly...I'm trying extremely hard to explore every avenue possible to like my One X...it's just that the battery life is very poor (maybe it's wrong of me, but I use my one x exactly like I used to use my iphone 4, and there is definitely a big difference). Currently operating under the assumption that these issues are fixable by flashing ROMs. Otherwise, considering the S4 processor USA versions; otherwise, I may have to sit this round of Android out and try again next year.

There will be a difference. Apple only has to get iOS working on 2 devices - Android has to work on hundreds.
It's unlikely an Android-based handset will do the same as your iPhone and have the same battery life - sad as that is
Having said that, my One X goes from 7am-11pm (with light usage) and will still have 50%+ left when I charge it up

iPhone?
Your iPhone had 1 processor core, with a screen lesser by > 1.5 inches. I have stock ROM lasts atleast 1.5 days with 1.2 hour call time and 2 hours of screen time.

kamaldeepahluwalia said:
Your iPhone had 1 processor core, with a screen lesser by > 1.5 inches. I have stock ROM lasts atleast 1.5 days with 1.2 hour call time and 2 hours of screen time.
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Thanks, I will adjust downward my expectations.
Have you guys seen the anandtech review? http://www.anandtech.com/show/5779/htc-one-x-for-att-review/3
You will notice in the review's battery life section that the One X outperforms the iphone 4 and even the 4s, despite the much larger screen (it does have a larger battery than the iphone 4/s) and the 4 cpus. This is what has been solely responsible for my expectations.
I realize that we have the international version, which performs more poorly, but I'm not getting anywhere close to what I assumed that I'd be getting. Somewhere around 2.5 hours of screen time, if used at max brightness, is what I'm getting. I used the iphone 4 at max brightness and I'm certain that I got double the battery life. It seems like my biggest mistake was owning the iphone for two years first. Didn't realize how much I value battery life until I made the switch. I'll still try my best to keep the faith android.

lamenramen said:
Thanks, I will adjust downward my expectations.
Have you guys seen the anandtech review? http://www.anandtech.com/show/5779/htc-one-x-for-att-review/3
You will notice in the review's battery life section that the One X outperforms the iphone 4 and even the 4s, despite the much larger screen (it does have a larger battery than the iphone 4/s) and the 4 cpus. This is what has been solely responsible for my expectations.
I realize that we have the international version, which performs more poorly, but I'm not getting anywhere close to what I assumed that I'd be getting. Somewhere around 2.5 hours of screen time, if used at max brightness, is what I'm getting. I used the iphone 4 at max brightness and I'm certain that I got double the battery life. It seems like my biggest mistake was owning the iphone for two years first. Didn't realize how much I value battery life until I made the switch. I'll still try my best to keep the faith android.
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Is your phone getting hot under the camera? If yes, try this :
1. Turn Wifi Off
2. Turn Mobile data/3G off
3. Turn either Wifi On or 3G as you wish.
See if it gets cooler under the camera. It happened with me and this trick did it for me.

What's the battery life like?

Spec-wise, this phone seems great, with the glaring exception of the battery's size.
I'm hoping someone with the phone could let me know, ideally as detailed as possible, what the battery life is like. Thanks!

duraaraa said:
Spec-wise, this phone seems great, with the glaring exception of the battery's size.
I'm hoping someone with the phone could let me know, ideally as detailed as possible, what the battery life is like. Thanks!
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Initial tests mentioned a screen on time of 4h+, which is nothing to write home about.
On another hand, even though we have a "mere" 3k mAh battery & 5.7" screen, the latter is amoled, which should offer considerable savings as compared to LCD.
I'm waiting for my unit to be shipped, will do some tests & share.

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Initial tests mentioned a screen on time of 4h+, which is nothing to write home about.
On another hand, even though we have a "mere" 3k mAh battery & 5.7" screen, the latter is amoled, which should offer considerable savings as compared to LCD.
I'm waiting for my unit to be shipped, will do some tests & share.
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This is why it is somewhat tempting to go with the $399 5.5" model and the Snapdragon 625. You lose a bit from the 5.7" SD 820: no AMOLED, smaller sensor in the camera, only 4 GB of RAM, but based on battery tests with other phones with the 625, the life could be better than the 820 model.
Review units in the U.S. are starting to appear, TechnoBuffalo recently received their 5.7" and did a quick preview on it.

FYI. PCMagazine has a review up of the 5.7", SD 820 version. They managed about 7 1/4 hours on their video run-down test. The Axon 7 with the same test ran about 6 hours, Samsung S7 Edge, around 10(!).

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FYI. PCMagazine has a review up of the 5.7", SD 820 version. They managed about 7 1/4 hours on their video run-down test. The Axon 7 with the same test ran about 6 hours, Samsung S7 Edge, around 10(!).
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They panned the phone though. TechnoBuffalo loved it, but PC Mag said the camera was shoddy and the UI is absurdly intrusive.
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CattleRancher said:
They panned the phone though. TechnoBuffalo loved it, but PC Mag said the camera was shoddy and the UI is absurdly intrusive.
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CNet liked the regular Zenfone 3 in a recent review. Though they too, thought the Zen UI was way too heavy. Seems to be a problem with some of the imported Android phones lately.
At this point I won't get a Deluxe unless it can be rooted, which I think is likely to happen based on Zenfone 3 progress.

It's the best thing you can atheistically look at. Battery life will get you one day of strong usage. Which combined with USB type-c that's nothing to be bothered by. I'd give the overall phone a solid 8.5 out of 10.

Battery life is terrible.
The same apps I use with no issues on other devices (including other sd820) cause a severe battery drain on the z3d.
My guess is the power management policy in the HAL, framework, or issues with the scheduler on the kernel level.
Initial investigation points to communication apps (Riot, Conversations), which cause a lot of wakelocks (then again, no such issues on other devices).
Once (& if) we have a bootloader unlock, this will be one of the first topics to address in custom kernel builds or custom rom builds.

I go ten hours at work with 2 plus screen time, 30-45 minutes on phone, 3 emails syncing, Facebook, instagram, Snapchat, two phone numbers, and I leave with 50% battery.
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I'm in the same boat as mostly everyone else here. I'm heavily on my phone while at work as well (roughly 6 hours of constant use on most days with heavy internet usage as well). I stay at work 2 days in a row every 3 days, and in that time frame, I still go home with 30-40% battery still left on my phone.
If I were still using my note 4, I would have had to put the phone e on the charger twice a day for both of those days.
Plus, with the dual SIM feature, I don't have to carry around a work phone. My boss was more than happy to get me a nano SIM for my pho e when he found out both my work phone and personal phone would be one in the same and easier to contact.
So yeah, with the above stated, for me, the battery life is way better than what I have put up with on the note 4 for the past 2 years.

Battery is great for me. I don't have a SIM yet but use Google hangouts/Voice# and am constantly on my phone browsing and using different apps. I charged it 7 hours ago, it has 3 hours of screen on time so far, and battery is at 57%. It says it has 9 hours left (based on my current rate, I will probably hut around 7 hours of screen on time. That is on High Performance, though also without a mobile network connected. I am constantly connected to and using wifi though and location is on too.)
Plus with QC3, my phone charges from dead to full in an hour. It is crazy fast.
Edit: Correction, I am in Power Saving mode as I guess I clicked into it when prompted last time my battery drained and forgot to switch back. Didn't notice a performance difference though so maybe I'll stick with this mode until I play a game. Next time I recharge, I will put it in High Performance and record my Screen on time then.

Still a good idea buy a Pixel 2XL?

Hello Guys,
I'm going to USA in september, unfortunately I'll back to Brazil before the Pixel 3 launch.
Import from things in Brazil it's expensive, then I'll buy a cellphone in my travel, but I don't know if I buy a Pixel 2 XL or a Galaxy S9.
I'm would like to know if still worth it a Pixel 2XL.
Thanks.

Arbigaus said:
Hello Guys,
I'm going to USA in september, unfortunately I'll back to Brazil before the Pixel 3 launch.
Import from things in Brazil it's expensive, then I'll buy a cellphone in my travel, but I don't know if I buy a Pixel 2 XL or a Galaxy S9.
I'm would like to know if still worth it a Pixel 2XL.
Thanks.
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Pixel 2XL all the way.

Here's the latest similar XDA thread with info here

That's a good reference galaxys pointed you to. I sold my P2XL and bought an S9+. I won't say it was a HUGE mistake but if we weren't a few months from the P3 I'd sell the Samsung & get another Pixel. I liked it a lot, looking forward to the next one.

Pixel all the way. Had before S8 plus, and this one is spaceship for battery, smoothness and camera wow!

Robi959 said:
Pixel all the way. Had before S8 plus, and this one is spaceship for battery, smoothness and camera wow!
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How does the two companies in battery life

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How does the two companies in battery life
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My Mrs has the S8+ which is definitely a very nice device. Beautiful screen and hardware. However, when it comes to battery life compared to my P2XL, it's not even close. On average, she'll get about 4-5 hours of SOT a day, and be at about 20-30% of battery left in the tank after about 16 hours of up time, so she charges it up every night. My P2XL will average 8-12 hours of SOT over close to 48 hours of up time. Having said all that, we use our devices differently. I don't do any social media at all, she uses instafacegraham:silly: from time to time, and talks a fair amount to family. There are times as well where she gets random battery drain for no apparent reason, and the Sammy bloatware apps always seem to be doing something in the background. Granted, the 8+ isn't rooted like my P2XL, so she can't use TiBu or My Android Tools or magisk modules to turn things off. She also likes the fancy AOD clocks and themes that show up on the lock screen, which I think definitely sucks more juice, but they do look nice. So I reckon it all comes down to what you like and how you use your device, I will also say that with the more aggressive edge display of Sammy, that the cases that are available don't protect very well if you drop it on the screen. She's been lucky so far with most all of her drops being on carpet, whereas I've dropped mine a dozen or so times on concrete, but the Caseology vault series case I use has done a stellar job of keeping my device and screen in tact. So there is my opinion of the 2 devices. In the end, I prefer function over flash. So...the P2XL all the way :good:

I'd had both. I sold my p2xl for a s9+. Went back to the pixel 2xl. Here's what I can tell you...The sammy had a better screen, messages and dialer were million times better (they actually tell you who is texting you or calling you), internet browser is better, and theme engine (which I used the Android P beta one on it and loved it). The pixel...updates and better camera. Battery life was similiar between the two. The samsung had much better bluetooth ability in my truck (my pixel skips and **** in the truck). No need for a dongle for a headset. BUT...my unlocked Sammsy was on Feb update (which they JUST updated now). So, it's really a personal pick. I miss my sammy, but I like knowing I'm on the latest security patch too. And the unlock button is still miles better than the sammy.

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My Mrs has the S8+ which is definitely a very nice device. Beautiful screen and hardware. However, when it comes to battery life compared to my P2XL, it's not even close. On average, she'll get about 4-5 hours of SOT a day, and be at about 20-30% of battery left in the tank after about 16 hours of up time, so she charges it up every night. My P2XL will average 8-12 hours of SOT over close to 48 hours of up time. Having said all that, we use our devices differently. I don't do any social media at all, she uses instafacegraham:silly: from time to time, and talks a fair amount to family. There are times as well where she gets random battery drain for no apparent reason, and the Sammy bloatware apps always seem to be doing something in the background. Granted, the 8+ isn't rooted like my P2XL, so she can't use TiBu or My Android Tools or magisk modules to turn things off. She also likes the fancy AOD clocks and themes that show up on the lock screen, which I think definitely sucks more juice, but they do look nice. So I reckon it all comes down to what you like and how you use your device, I will also say that with the more aggressive edge display of Sammy, that the cases that are available don't protect very well if you drop it on the screen. She's been lucky so far with most all of her drops being on carpet, whereas I've dropped mine a dozen or so times on concrete, but the Caseology vault series case I use has done a stellar job of keeping my device and screen in tact. So there is my opinion of the 2 devices. In the end, I prefer function over flash. So...the P2XL all the way :good:
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Whattt 8 to 12 hours of SOT. What do you do to get that kind of battery life?
Also how do you think the P20 Pro compares to the Pixel 2 XL in battery life and usability etc?

dieselhazza said:
Whattt 8 to 12 hours of SOT. What do you do to get that kind of battery life?
Also how do you think the P20 Pro compares to the Pixel 2 XL in battery life and usability etc?
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I'm mostly just a browser and contributor on XDA. I don't use social media, or watch a lot of YouTube, and the phone gets to sleep quite a bit since I'm retired and it's not always moving on my person. As far as the P20 goes, I have no idea since I've never used it

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I'm mostly just a browser and contributor on XDA. I don't use social media, or watch a lot of YouTube, and the phone gets to sleep quite a bit since I'm retired and it's not always moving on my person. As far as the P20 goes, I have no idea since I've never used it
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Regardless how phone is used 12 hours of SOT is insane.
You must have rooted and modified it because I don't see how else this is possible.

dieselhazza said:
Regardless how phone is used 12 hours of SOT is insane.
You must have rooted and modified it because I don't see how else this is possible.
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Oh I'm definitely rooted! There's a magisk module I use to knock down some of the 4,674 background services that google play services uses(sarcasm:silly)and I use another app called My Android Tools to stop a few others. But honestly, it's mostly all about usage patterns, signal, wifi, brightness, and lack of movement that gives me those numbers. I'm the rarity, not the norm

If I wasn't on Verizon now, I would be with OnePlus still, or even considered moving to something like the Xiomi Mix 2S, which supports VZW, that was just released.
OnePlus Deb support and path they are taking is really nice. Loved my 5T.
My only real complaint with the Pixel 2 XL is the fat and thick edges and feel compared to Samsing and OnePlus, and a few other phones today. It feels dated right after release IMO compared to competitors and chunky in hand.
Otherwise, Pixel 2 still a great choice.

How bad is the Exynos S20/S20+

It seems clear now that once again the Exynos version is inferior this year and as I understand it the known disadvantages are as follows:
Inferior real world performance (actually is capable of better but suffers with thermals)
Power management
Different (worse) camera module in the Exynos vs. the SD
I'm guessing that most positive comments are from snapdragon users so for those with an Exynos, how are you feeling? and better still does anybody out there have both versions?
I have the S20+ and have been a little disappointed, the camera has been pretty average (only just got April update so not tested that yet) and I have noticed that the phone gets quite warm quite quickly, being in lockdown the battery has not jumped out yet as I am never more than one room away from a charger.
Thoughts??

S20 exynos user here and I'm fine with it...
I don't game which helps of course, but get decent battery life (idle drain 0.5-0.7%/hr and when using the phone a lot I get around 6 hrs SOT, actually 6:13 atm and 15% left). Pictures are fine as well, coming from an S10+ they are sharper overall but exposure can be a bit tricky every now and then. I hope and think things will improve in future updates.
Thing is I really prefer the smaller sized phones, I mean the OP8 and P40's also look great but they are simply too big for me. The S10+ was already on the edge, can work with it but less then optimally comfortable.
Would I have rather had the SD version? Yeah
Is the exynos a reason for me to return? No
I have paid about 630 euros for it though, had I paid full price I might have judged differently and indeed returned it.
I did optimize things (96hz refresh rate, disabled some apps I don't need/use, etc) so that might have helped with battery life. No custom roms or anything though so no warranty issues.

Having S20 Exynos.
Very disappointed with S20 after a 3 weeks of use.
Very bad battery performance. looks like I have started to control my ph usage looking at the battery no's declining. hahhahaha very very funny.
phone heats up with min usage( not sure is it cause of summer or exynos. hahaha).But this is true in my case even in indoor usage.
Just few min of use can see temp raise to 37+. If use camera for more than 5 min or so. it goes above 40 & refresh rate drops to 60.
I really don’t understand what Samsung trying to do here. impose on users, who have paid hefty money for their products.
It’s been more than a month. yet we still have to go thru these. Even after their multiple updates
camera not really to Samsung mark to be (compare to previous models.no major improvements).
Only thing which makes me to use over note 10+ is 120hz. Rest not worth the price.
I don’t say the phone is bad, but not worth the upgrade for the price.
At the core I guess Samsung is aware they have screw up the S20 series using exynos.
Hope with Note 20 they will make it up to retain their fans with SD processor. If this is not going happen, then for sure ill also be one of them to say goodbye.

*very BAD*

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*very BAD*
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ideal phone will be pixel 4XL with 5000mAh battery , oh maybe it can be a little biger as s20 ultra - ideal phone to me .

buy yourself the one 8pro and you will be better off - wish id done that but rushed into the samsung phones not knowingly how **** they are this year

Thanks all.
It is strange but OnePlus's stance on the Always on Display has always really irritated me, not just that they have still not added one but mostly how they have apparently been 'working on it' like forever. It is a feature I like, not a reason to buy or not buy a phone but when all others offer it it does tip the balance. The P40 is amazing and the whole google thing is really frustrating.
I also agree that the Pixel 4 XL is REALLY close to being the best overall droid out there, slightly nicer design, brighter screen and a higher storage option and it would be IMO. On the flip side though the S20 is also REALLY close too.
Out of interest what is the best way to monitor the battery temperature in real time? I'd kind of like to test that.

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Out of interest what is the best way to monitor the battery temperature in real time? I'd kind of like to test that.
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I've used Battery Widget Reborn since my HTC Desire days, it has a widget that can be configured for battery temp.
Just put it on the screen next to Accubattery now ...

Reading alot about exynos version battery life. I have s20+ exynos 4G model. I had note 9 and I felt it had good battery life. Then I got s10+ and the battery anxiety was completely gone. And from s10+ to s20+, I feel battery life is almost the same as my s10+, on 120 hz. I dont disable anything. Using completely stock. No issues what so ever. I get 5 to 6 hrs of battery life if I use the full cycle and standby 16 to 18 hours, with 20% or so remaining.
I tend to stick to 40 to 85% cycle. Developed this habit when I had s10+ since the battery anxiety was gone. I charge twice a day, once in the morning to 85% and once in late afternoon or evening (when it hits around 40%). Not more than 25 to 30 mins each (25W charger works well). So, an hour of charging works for me easily. I think since I have the 4G model I am not getting problems most ppl are.
Also, I don't play games except for one, 2048. Two gmail, two facebook and messenger, two whatsapp, Twitter, snapchat, Instagram. All the office apps.
Camera is better than my s10+. The pictures are sharp and I am very happy with it.
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Question S22 or S21

Hi,
I am quite aware that S22 has the new chipset and a beast, but my only worry is battery.
S21 has 4000mAh and S22 has 3700 mAh. Confused as to which serves the best when it comes to usage. Did search a lot for drain test between these two and never found one.
Any suggestions please.
Cheers and Regards

if battery is the only concern. s21. or better yet. another brand

Nil96 said:
Hi,
I am quite aware that S22 has the new chipset and a beast, but my only worry is battery.
S21 has 4000mAh and S22 has 3700 mAh. Confused as to which serves the best when it comes to usage. Did search a lot for drain test between these two and never found one.
Any suggestions please.
Cheers and Regards
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I've not been into Samsung for years, as I don't like their software and often find their hardware substandard for the price. MIUI/Xiaomi offers a choice between modern status bar/notifications, modern app recents and improves upon stock Android without bloating it up.
Three hottest phones right now
Xiaomi Poco F3
Realme GT Neo 3
Xiaomi Redmi K50/K50 Pro (2k display)
I'm usually a snapdragon fan, but this snapdragon gen 1 has overheating and high power consumption issues.

had s21 and it had better battery life

I've got the 8 Gen 1 S22 and it's sufficient to say it's a terrible phone. It overheats, it gets stuttery most of the time probably because it's getting throttled, and the battery is bad. From 100 to 50% it's bad and from 50% and below it's terrible because it drains faster. And it's even worse when the phone runs hot, which is pretty much gonna be the norm in a hot summer environment. Then there's the last 5% which is non-existent because it's basically like a countdown in seconds from 5 to 0%. In other words, if your phone hit 5% it's gonna turn off in a matter of seconds if you don't plug it in ASAP.
So the math is kind of like this and note that I'm gonna talk about a period of 24h of use, both active and idle:
- you've got a battery of 3590mAh, the real capacity. I'm gonna cut that 5% right now because that simply doesn't exist. That means 180mA, which leaves you with just 3410mAh.
- 25-30% is the idle drain, and it's gonna stay in this range no matter what you're gonna try to do. Believe me, I tried EVRYTHING, even turning off cores and so on. The damn thing finds a way to drain battery with the screen off somehow.
- you're now left with only 65% of actually battery for SOT. That translates into ~2216mAh. That is all you have from a full charge.
- now the active drain is gonna be ~20%/h no matter what any battery monitor app tells you. That is 682mA/h.
*** This is all with normal use, which includes more than just watching videos, scenario in which the lack of touch events + the screen on will count towards that SOT recording and of course that's gonna increase the SOT. But that's kind of like fake SOT. When you start swiping up and down within apps, switching between them, browsing the web, which all means that you're getting the CPU to go from a range of frequencies, is when the actual real usage happens, so that's the true SOT of a phone.***
So, to get back to the math part, you're gonna get 3h15m. You're gonna watch some videos, I don't doubt that and that's gonna reduce that 20%/h to something lower, as long as there are no touch events. That's gonna get you over 3h30m. If you're watching a lot of YouTube and such, you can hit 4h SOT. But the average SOT for this phone is 3.5h.
That is terrible battery life for a phone in 2022. Samsung's node for the 8 Gen 1 was a complete fail and that is why Qualcomm went back to TSMC for the 8 Gen 1 Plus, and the efficiency gains for just a refresh of the same CPU, are insane. We're talking about 30% more efficiency. Insane! The 8 Gen 1 is pathetic and it's rarely gonna run the way it was meant to because it can't due to the heat it constantly produces. Paired with the small S22, there's not enough phone to dissipate that heat more efficiently, and therefore you're left with a choked out "beast". I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure that if I choke out The Rock and make him run with me on his back, he's not gonna perform very well, no matter how buff he is.
The bigger brother though, the S22+ is not gonna have the same issues. There's more material to dissipate the heat more efficiently and there's also a considerably larger battery inside. Not a lot bigger but big enough. You've got the same screen so the power consumption is gonna be different. Now all those percentages I mentioned above are gonna be based on the bigger battery. The idle drain is gonna stay the same but instead of 30%, that value would be ~24%. If that 5% issue is the same, you're left with ~3100mAh for SOT. The active drain would then be 16%/h. If my math is correct, with some room for error, you'd be able to get 4h40m with the same usage I initially mentioned for the smaller phone. With those reduced touch event during the videos, you'd be able to get over 5h out of it on a 24h charge. And if that 5% issue is not present, you've got ~200 more mA which would give roughly 20 more minutes over 5h, for SOT. Not that bad.
That's why I regret getting the small phone. Not as much as getting rid of the 13Pro I used before it, which offered me the best battery life I've ever had in a phone, but I still regret it.
In conclusion, you either go big in the Android world, or suffer. Or you can get the S21 and have better battery life than the S22. Your choice.

did you get latest June updates installed on it? I have already returned my galaxy s22 but another person who i know who was using his s22 on power save mode turned off after the latest update. He said it helped a lot?

S8_guy said:
did you get latest June updates installed on it? I have already returned my galaxy s22 but another person who i know who was using his s22 on power save mode turned off after the latest update. He said it helped a lot?
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Don't be fooled by any claims. The battery is simply too small to have noticeable gains. One moment you think it's doing great and suddenly the table turns. For instance you'd think 2h50m SOT at the 50% mark is great and you'll get at least another 2.5h out of it considering how much battery you still have, but then later that day you see that you just hit 3.5h SOT and the battery is now at 15%. So the stats are very tweaked to mislead you and not show the real SOT. It's kind of what Apple does with the percentage that's over 90% where the battery drops very slowly but then it starts to get faster.
With Power Saver mode at all times, Google's services freak out a lot more frequent because they can't send and receive data at any time without interruptions. That results in even higher idle drain. You virtually gain no additional battery life, or something small that you can barely call gains.
So you gotta use the phone as is, without any interventions this way allowing it to perform anything it needs to do in the background. After getting mine to stock, I've been getting that 3.5, 4h SOT which is pretty consistent right now. I don't look at the drain or how much per hour gets wasted, etc. I just use it as a regular folk who doesn't know about these more in depth stats. This way I only got used to charging it a certain way and not caring about the rest. If by any chance I notice a higher drain than usual, again, I don't investigate because I know it'll only get me depressed or something. I just reboot the phone and thing settle for a while.
It's the best way to use this terrible phone. You were very inspired when you decided to return it. Literally ANYTHING on the market is better than this thing.

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Don't be fooled by any claims. The battery is simply too small to have noticeable gains. One moment you think it's doing great and suddenly the table turns. For instance you'd think 2h50m SOT at the 50% mark is great and you'll get at least another 2.5h out of it considering how much battery you still have, but then later that day you see that you just hit 3.5h SOT and the battery is now at 15%. So the stats are very tweaked to mislead you and not show the real SOT. It's kind of what Apple does with the percentage that's over 90% where the battery drops very slowly but then it starts to get faster.
With Power Saver mode at all times, Google's services freak out a lot more frequent because they can't send and receive data at any time without interruptions. That results in even higher idle drain. You virtually gain no additional battery life, or something small that you can barely call gains.
So you gotta use the phone as is, without any interventions this way allowing it to perform anything it needs to do in the background. After getting mine to stock, I've been getting that 3.5, 4h SOT which is pretty consistent right now. I don't look at the drain or how much per hour gets wasted, etc. I just use it as a regular folk who doesn't know about these more in depth stats. This way I only got used to charging it a certain way and not caring about the rest. If by any chance I notice a higher drain than usual, again, I don't investigate because I know it'll only get me depressed or something. I just reboot the phone and thing settle for a while.
It's the best way to use this terrible phone. You were very inspired when you decided to return it. Literally ANYTHING on the market is better than this thing.
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I am thinking about switching over to iphone. My existing galaxy s8 is old. I really like to iphone 13 mini, but not sure about its battery life. I guess it has a 14 day return period as well.
If that doesn't do it, then i might go for the regular iphone 13.

S8_guy said:
I am thinking about switching over to iphone. My existing galaxy s8 is old. I really like to iphone 13 mini, but not sure about its battery life. I guess it has a 14 day return period as well.
If that doesn't do it, then i might go for the regular iphone 13.
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This is how it goes. Small Android devices will NEVER give you great battery life, and I'm talking about the likes of S22 and such in terms of size and also with the title of flagship device. You just can't have both. I learn it the hard way, which is wasting money on devices for the past 3 years to reach this conclusion.
So if you want a powerful Android device with more than good battery life, you gotta go big. No way around it. If someone claims that they're getting great SOT on their small Android phone, that's because they're very light users, mostly watching videos. That means no touch events and that translates into very few frequency rampups and that in its turn means lower CPU usage that gives you longer SOT, but that's not representative of the regular usage which involves a lot more than that.
Only Apple offers great battery life in a smaller form factor and that's mainly because it's a hell of a lot easier job to optimize the software for a handful of devices which have the most important pieces of hardware inside built inhouse. It's just the absolute best situation for them.
However, going for the smallest phone would be a mistake. You'd get decent battery life for that size but it's still bad. The regular 13 is the best choice if you still want a small phone. I'd personally get the 13 Pro which has even better battery life than the regular variant plus the 120Hz screen. And let me tell you, the level of smoothness you get from 120Hz iOS is on a whole another level than on 120Hz Android. iOS has a lot less frequent frame drops, and by that I mean they're almost non existent. On Android, framedrops are everywhere and anywhere, no matter how "buttery smooth" people claim it is. It's not. The frame dips, the so called stutters, are noticeable and they occur most of the time no matter the app, when you scroll up and down. It's always been there.
But yeah, get an iPhone and you'll see what I'm talking about. After selling my 13 Pro to go back on Android because I got bored of iOS, I regretted it when I saw the battery life on my S22, not to mention overheating and overall poor performance because of that.
Something else to consider is how much better iPhones hold their value compared to Android phones. I can get a brand new S22 for $570 from the trading market in my country. I paid $1040 for my current crap of a phone. It's nearly half the price now. At the same time, I can buy a brand new 13 Pro from the same place for $1025, the cheapest one. I paid $1250 for mine when I got it last year in October. That's just $225 value lost in 8 months. The S22's price dropped to nearly half in just 3 months. It's just insane.
So get a 13 or 13 Pro, or if you can wait a little longer, get a 14. I'm getting the 14 Pro Max, without thinking twice. It's a brick but I don't want to have to worry about battery life ever again, to force close apps and services and constantly check on the background activity so I can try to save some juice.
My POV though. Android has always been letting me down

My galaxy s8 used to last two full days when i got it new. Nowadays, it last me a full day with regular use, keep in mind that i put a new battery in it and did not update to the latest firmware. It has only two year of update and it killed the battery by one day.
Those updates age the phone, doesn't matter which OS it is ( android or ios). I am going to do a trial on the 13 mini, and if that doesn't work i am going to go for the iphone 14 pro ( not the max). the pro models will ditch the notch as well. It would be one hell of an upgrade from my s8.
Not sure, why you didn't return your galaxy s22 during the trial period?

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My galaxy s8 used to last two full days when i got it new. Nowadays, it last me a full day with regular use, keep in mind that i put a new battery in it and did not update to the latest firmware. It has only two year of update and it killed the battery by one day.
Those updates age the phone, doesn't matter which OS it is ( android or ios). I am going to do a trial on the 13 mini, and if that doesn't work i am going to go for the iphone 14 pro ( not the max). the pro models will ditch the notch as well. It would be one hell of an upgrade from my s8.
Not sure, why you didn't return your galaxy s22 during the trial period?
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When I ordered this thing, I also put in the cart a white Samsung bumper case too. When I received the package, I unboxed the phone and the case, put the phone in it then booted up the device. It was a pretty tight fit. After 4 days I decided that nope, I'm not keeping this pathetic thing. So I already had a few tabs open with some guys selling their Pixel 5 phones. I just needed to choose one.
So I take out the S22 out of the case and surprise! Micro scratches all around the frame from when I inserted the phone in the case. Because the damn case is made of a hard material and the plastic inside wasn't completely smooth at the edge, all the tiny imperfections left a mark on the supposedly military grade aluminium the frame is made of, when I inserted it in it. Marketing at its finest. I then emailed the store I ordered the phone from and they asked the department in charge how it would go from there if I returned the phone in that condition. They tagged it as "non-returnable" because it's not in the same condition and cannot be sold as new anymore. OR they could deduce a tax that consists of replacing the frame with a new original one. That also includes the display and the whole restoration of the device would mean -400 euros from the initial price. Just from those micro scratches around the frame.
So that's why I'm now stuck with this thing. I even took it out of the case, removed the screen protector and I'm using it naked. It's all scuffed and scratched from just using it like that, without dropping it or anything. The durability of this thing is absolutely pathetic, a complete joke.

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When I ordered this thing, I also put in the cart a white Samsung bumper case too. When I received the package, I unboxed the phone and the case, put the phone in it then booted up the device. It was a pretty tight fit. After 4 days I decided that nope, I'm not keeping this pathetic thing. So I already had a few tabs open with some guys selling their Pixel 5 phones. I just needed to choose one.
So I take out the S22 out of the case and surprise! Micro scratches all around the frame from when I inserted the phone in the case. Because the damn case is made of a hard material and the plastic inside wasn't completely smooth at the edge, all the tiny imperfections left a mark on the supposedly military grade aluminium the frame is made of, when I inserted it in it. Marketing at its finest. I then emailed the store I ordered the phone from and they asked the department in charge how it would go from there if I returned the phone in that condition. They tagged it as "non-returnable" because it's not in the same condition and cannot be sold as new anymore. OR they could deduce a tax that consists of replacing the frame with a new original one. That also includes the display and the whole restoration of the device would mean -400 euros from the initial price. Just from those micro scratches around the frame.
So that's why I'm now stuck with this thing. I even took it out of the case, removed the screen protector and I'm using it naked. It's all scuffed and scratched from just using it like that, without dropping it or anything. The durability of this thing is absolutely pathetic, a complete joke.
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Absolute tragedy! Sounds like your just stuck with this phone for sometime or your other choice is to sell for a loss in the used market.
On a side note, I ordered a case and screen protector online for the galaxy s22. It arrived a month after i returned the phone. I lost about $15 on it. I was too cheap to order it from samsung directly.
The regular iphone 13 looks like the phone to get for me, I guess i will wait for iphone 14 to launch and buy the iphone 13 on a discount.

S8_guy said:
Absolute tragedy! Sounds like your just stuck with this phone for sometime or your other choice is to sell for a loss in the used market.
The regular iphone 13 looks like the phone to get for me, I guess i will wait for iphone 14 to launch and buy the iphone 13 on a discount.
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Good idea. The regular 14 I believe the rumours say will look identical to the 13 too.

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Good idea. The regular 14 I believe the rumours say will look identical to the 13 too.
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lol...also has the same processor. Not sure, what would the upgrade really be.

Nil96 said:
Hi,
I am quite aware that S22 has the new chipset and a beast, but my only worry is battery.
S21 has 4000mAh and S22 has 3700 mAh. Confused as to which serves the best when it comes to usage. Did search a lot for drain test between these two and never found one.
Any suggestions please.
Cheers and Regards
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I don't think the the battery will be that much of an issue for S22 because the phone itself is more efficient then the S21. So technically you should get more out of the smaller battery.

S20 or S20 Ultra will be a better option then S22.
I bought the S22 only because my old phone died and the S22 was on sale and in stock.
Other wise I would have bought the S20.

The S22 series are new with a lot more great specs so you can get any S22 series model!