Hello everyone!
I pre-ordered my Pixel 6 Pro and received it a couple of weeks ago. I did not immediately unlock the bootloader as I didn't see the need (as I would need to wipe anyway once I install a Google-spyware-free ROM.) However, since development is proceeding smoothly enough (thanks to everyone who's working hard on that!) I'm starting to look at options of how to back up my data in case of a future wipe.
In the golden days of Android development, I used to use Titanium (with root), which also worked without root, really. What do people use nowadays (beyond Google) to back up their Android phones?
Thanks a lot in advance!
SwiftBackup
Nekromantik said:
SwiftBackup
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There really is no other answer than this one. Migrate is fantastic too - but Swift backup is objectively better. It really is just click/press button and forget, in ease of use.
Some apps don't properly back up each respective app properly, which is why I still use tibu for some things. But I find myself using tibu less and less.
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Code:
echo "Demonstrates fzf for interactive selection of multiple packages"
for APP in $(pm list packages | fzf -m)
do
APP=$( echo ${APP} | sed "s/^package://")
adb backup -f ${APP}.backup ${APP}
done
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for APP in $(adb shell pm list packages | grep -E 'accubattery|betterbatterystats|etc|etc|etc')
do
APP=$( echo ${APP} | sed "s/^package://")
adb backup -f ${APP}.backup ${APP}
done
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SwiftBackup
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From what I've read, and for what most backup apps are capable of, if you wanna backup app data you have to be rooted.
If you're stock then some developers can limit adb backup from even taking place, so I'm finding options are limited the longer you go without rooting right away.
I talked to the SwiftBackup support yesteday ( old phone OnePlus, new phone pixel ) and was told my "true" backup/restore solution would be with root... Less than root would not get me done.
( so root means TiB pro ? ? ? ) ( ouch, last updated on: November 24th, 2019)
I hate that Android backups are devoid of data backup unless you're rooted or a developer allows you to do such a thing in a vanilla backup. It shouldn't be a choice and should be standard across all apps. It's one area where I prefer apple backups to Android.
old_fart said:
I talked to the SwiftBackup support yesteday ( old phone OnePlus, new phone pixel ) and was told my "true" backup/restore solution would be with root... Less than root would not get me done.
( so root means TiB pro )
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Yeah, but Swift is objectively better as a general backup tool than TiBu these days
yes I meant as rooted backup tool Swift is better
I used to use TiBi but it no longer worked on backing up sms from android 10 so I switched to Swift.
Swift is not as fast and yes one or two apps backup does not work but I found support pretty good
Just checked Swift Backup and even without root it does seem like a valid option. My only concern is that requires a Google login to use? I imagine that, unlike Google's actual Android backup, this would work even without gapps installed (potentially), but just wondering if anyone could confirm that?
From other devices I used to use TWRP backup by just hooking each and every partition and copying the backup file to the PC afterwards. If anything went wrong I simply restored the TWRP backup. Is there a way to do this kind of backup manually from the PC?
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I hate that Android backups are devoid of data backup unless you're rooted or a developer allows you to do such a thing in a vanilla backup. It shouldn't be a choice and should be standard across all apps. It's one area where I prefer apple backups to Android.
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Any app that has been updated to institute Google's standard of cloud backups (started what, at least 3-4 years ago?) will have its app data backed up. I blame the developers who choose not to do this when it would be very helpful.
Non-root would be half pointless if you could have full access to all your apps' data including the ability to edit it.
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Any app that has been updated to institute Google's standard of cloud backups (started what, at least 3-4 years ago?) will have its app data backed up. I blame the developers who choose not to do this when it would be very helpful.
Non-root would be half pointless if you could have full access to all your apps' data including the ability to edit it.
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I'd like to root, but would have to sift through all of the new info that's been provided. It'll take some time going from beginning to end, but never do I worry about backups because I'm in control of my data.
When I transitioned over from my old pixel 2xl to the 6 with the data transfer, none of my apps retained data or login info. It's kinda pointless for the transfer to have to redownload every single app and retain nothing except SMS. I don't understand why the process sucks as bad as it does. Why can't it just transfer everything from one device to another? I might as well just not even bother with it and should have rooted it then.
Nekromantik said:
yes I meant as rooted backup tool Swift is better
I used to use TiBi but it no longer worked on backing up sms from android 10 so I switched to Swift.
Swift is not as fast and yes one or two apps backup does not work but I found support pretty good
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There's a good SMS/MMS backup app in the play store that I have used for many years if you'd ever like to try it. I understand you're using swift, but this app doesn't require root to work.
If you are rooted, OAndBackupX is a great tool... It's free and open-source, and a fully featured product. It has some limited capabilities without root, but if you want a full backup with app data, you'd need root.
GitHub - NeoApplications/Neo-Backup: backup manager for android
backup manager for android. Contribute to NeoApplications/Neo-Backup development by creating an account on GitHub.
github.com
Neo Backup | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository
The open-source tool to backup your apps and data
f-droid.org
For SMS, MMS & RCS backup, you can try SMS Backup & Restore (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.riteshsahu.SMSBackupRestore). RCS support is still experimental, but SMS & MMS backup & restore works well.
Just a reminder: Because of the requirement to disable dm-verity and vbmeta verification when flashing a patched boot image, you will have to wipe data when doing so. If you have not yet unlocked your bootloader, this is a non issue, as you can disable AVB after unlocking the bootloader.
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Dears, I have nothing but 24 hours to backup my beloved OP3 before the carrier comes to bring it in RMA (burn in problems on display).
Some files have been directly taken from the device (e.g., videos and photos), some others have been backupped by means of OP Switch... but the latter won't save application files and that's it, I need urgently to entirely backup & restore (as they were) some application such as Google Authenticator .
I heard Titanium Backup could do the magic but unfortunately I'm not rooted, and doing this might result in a lose warranty (which is not the case to risk, due to the fact the phone might be repaired in warranty).
Any tip? Tried with adb pull to get the Google Authenticator DB as read in several web pages, but got no luck ( I think it's a permission issue ).
Thanks, your help is highly appreciated.
OnePlus supports device customization so unlocked bootloader and root shouldn't be an issue, so I'd go with Titanium.
That said, there's a Helium app (and desktop program) that's supposed to be able to backup app data without root. Sounds like you'll have to install apps fresh, but then you can restore their data. Never tried it myself though. Here's a link with a quick guide: https://www.androidpit.com/how-to-backup-and-restore-app-data-with-or-without-root
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THanks,
unfortunately, unlocking the bootloader results in a complete wipe of the device, so that's not an option.... Tried the Helium app, didn't understood that well how it works but when it comes to a backup of 84 apps' data, in the restore phase i can see only 16. That said, probably it's a matter of proper authorization performing the backup (that is to say, root is not necessary, but without root you can backup only 1/10 of your apps data).
Is there anyway to get a complete backup without root. By complete I mean including the app configurations. I used to do this on my Nexus 6 with Titanium Backup. But I haven't rooted the Pixel 3 (or unlocked the bootloader) yet so I can't run Titanium.
My sense is that the google backup/restore just reloads the latest version of the apps without configuration (or at least seems to do that on many apps).
This is only a Pixel 3 question in the sense that my hope is that there is something new by now.
The only way besides using the cloud backup would to have a second phone running pie. Wipe it and set it up as new then use the transfer tool to transfer everything over. Then do the same to your pixel when you need the backup.
It's alot of work and most people don't have a spare phone, but it is an option
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kmandel said:
Is there anyway to get a complete backup without root. By complete I mean including the app configurations. I used to do this on my Nexus 6 with Titanium Backup. But I haven't rooted the Pixel 3 (or unlocked the bootloader) yet so I can't run Titanium.
My sense is that the google backup/restore just reloads the latest version of the apps without configuration (or at least seems to do that on many apps).
This is only a Pixel 3 question in the sense that my hope is that there is something new by now.
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You could just unlock the phone and run a TWRP backup. Does not require root.
Of course, because you didn't unlock the phone when you received it, doing so now will wipe the device.
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The only way besides using the cloud backup
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By the cloud backup, do you mean the built in backup to google drive? Does that really save all the app configuration? It certainly didn't when I did my Nexus 6 to Pixel 3 migration. Some of the apps came up as if they were first time installs.
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By the cloud backup, do you mean the built in backup to google drive? Does that really save all the app configuration? It certainly didn't when I did my Nexus 6 to Pixel 3 migration. Some of the apps came up as if they were first time installs.
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I have tried and experimented with endless apps that promise to do this without success. Helium Backup works with very limited success in some cases and only for some apps. The problem is that it's not supported anymore and never really worked well. But this is one of the shortcomings of Android. I don't know why in 2018 (almost 2019) they still haven't figured out a way to backup all settings, app content and everything else without having to root the dam phone. To me, this is one of the main reasons why I rooted literally out of the box. I installed Titanium and had everything up and running in less than an hour. IMHO, it's worth wiping the phone, going through the headache once in your life and then ensuring you have the backup forever in a safe place. My previous phone was a rooted Note 4. I just transfered the Nite 4's Titanium backup to a USB-c drive, attached this drive to the new Pixel 3 Xl and recovered every single app and it's configuration in a matter of minutes. I have over 250 apps on my phone and some very specific configurations I like to use. The alternative would have been spending a day or two manually setting up each app and repeating it all over again each time I buy a new phone. I got tired of that in the past. Root is one of the main reasons why people get Pixels. Sadly, I don't know of any other way to effectively do it.
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kmandel said:
Is there anyway to get a complete backup without root. By complete I mean including the app configurations. I used to do this on my Nexus 6 with Titanium Backup. But I haven't rooted the Pixel 3 (or unlocked the bootloader) yet so I can't run Titanium. My sense is that the google backup/restore just reloads the latest version of the apps without configuration (or at least seems to do that on many apps).
This is only a Pixel 3 question in the sense that my hope is that there is something new by now.
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No there is not. You may try one of the many non-root backup programs like Swift Backup that are better at restoring app settings. That is why it is always better to unlock as soon as you get the phone. Any time at all spent setting the phone up is wasted until after it is properly unlocked. Google backup has come a very long way and it will quickly restore all your (Play) user apps but has many caveats as you have found. If the app data is small, it usually is restored, but if you have game data, MMS, music, etc. It obviously will not. The combination Google cloud backup + Titanium Backup (to restore missing apps and data) is the best way I have found when starting with a completely blank slate. In advance of a complete wipe, I transfer a copy of my latest TiBu folder to the PC, along with Nova Launcher backup. After initially setting the phone up (not using data transfer), I allow Google backup to restore until fully complete 100%. When it is done, I transfer the TiBu folder back on to the PC and run it to restore only missing apps and data. Lastly I use the Nova backup file to restore all launcher settings, shortcuts and widgets. This doesn't take very long and gets me to about 95%.
kmandel said:
Is there anyway to get a complete backup without root. By complete I mean including the app configurations. I used to do this on my Nexus 6 with Titanium Backup. But I haven't rooted the Pixel 3 (or unlocked the bootloader) yet so I can't run Titanium.
My sense is that the google backup/restore just reloads the latest version of the apps without configuration (or at least seems to do that on many apps).
This is only a Pixel 3 question in the sense that my hope is that there is something new by now.
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You can try running the backup command in adb. https://9to5google.com/2017/11/04/how-to-backup-restore-android-device-data-android-basics/
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I have tried and experimented with endless apps that promise to do this without success. Helium Backup works with very limited success in some cases and only for some apps. The problem is that it's not supported anymore and never really worked well. But this is one of the shortcomings of Android. I don't know why in 2018 (almost 2019) they still haven't figured out a way to backup all settings, app content and everything else without having to root the dam phone. To me, this is one of the main reasons why I rooted literally out of the box. I installed Titanium and had everything up and running in less than an hour. IMHO, it's worth wiping the phone, going through the headache once in your life and then ensuring you have the backup forever in a safe place. My previous phone was a rooted Note 4. I just transfered the Nite 4's Titanium backup to a USB-c drive, attached this drive to the new Pixel 3 Xl and recovered every single app and it's configuration in a matter of minutes. I have over 250 apps on my phone and some very specific configurations I like to use. The alternative would have been spending a day or two manually setting up each app and repeating it all over again each time I buy a new phone. I got tired of that in the past. Root is one of the main reasons why people get Pixels. Sadly, I don't know of any other way to effectively do it.
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And the problem is you won't get notifications for many of the apps if they are restored using Titanium Backup
Hi!
Can anyone tell me how to backup the data partition on a T-Mobile Galaxy Note 10+ 5G without any sort of root or custom recovery that would trigger Knox flag? I am fully stock and I'm pretty sure Samsung has a tool that allows them to do a dd or full data dump of the partitions on the phone
I want to be able to back it up, fully factory reset it, and potentially restore the data partition so it is back into the pre wiped state.
Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated!
Samsung smart switch app is one approach
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Hi!
Can anyone tell me how to backup the data partition on a T-Mobile Galaxy Note 10+ 5G without any sort of root or custom recovery that would trigger Knox flag? I am fully stock and I'm pretty sure Samsung has a tool that allows them to do a dd or full data dump of the partitions on the phone
I want to be able to back it up, fully factory reset it, and potentially restore the data partition so it is back into the pre wiped state.
Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated!
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I fail to see the point?
For the purpose of backups such as Titanium Backups with app data included or just download the firmware root files ?
If the later, wouldn't it be easier to just unpack a firmware?
If the first ... without root I don't think you can at first thought. Maybe an Odin Dump? But since root is encrypted (I think as this never crossed my mind) I don't really know if it's possible or maybe Heimdal if it still exists ?
Any tips? I'm looking to do this as well. The purpose is to have an efficient backup process for dozens of apps and their configuration files residing in their appdata directory (which I can view using Solid Explorer). I spent a long time building these configurations and continue to update them so I'd like to regularly back them up once a month.
The problem is I am not rooted otherwise this would be very simple. I'm a bit wary to root when there are still OTA updates being provided.
Without root, the only options are Samsung Switch (doesn't do non-Samsung app data), Google Drive backup (doesn't do data), and Helium (doesn't work).
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Any tips? I'm looking to do this as well. The purpose is to have an efficient backup process for dozens of apps and their configuration files residing in their appdata directory (which I can view using Solid Explorer). I spent a long time building these configurations and continue to update them so I'd like to regularly back them up once a month.
The problem is I am not rooted otherwise this would be very simple. I'm a bit wary to root when there are still OTA updates being provided.
Without root, the only options are Samsung Switch (doesn't do non-Samsung app data), Google Drive backup (doesn't do data), and Helium (doesn't work).
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I deliberately use apps that allow disk backup like Poweramp, Digi Clock, ColorNote, Samsung Contacts and Package Disabler.
I use SmartSwitch to transfer home settings only so all the icons and shortcuts need to be recreated but at least the base setup is there. I use ApkExport to make installable copies of all my apps including system apps and updates then stash them on the SD card. Everything I need for a full reload is on the SD card. I then redundantly backup the SD card.
Yeah I wish I could clone the drive like I can with a PC...
There's issues rooting a Samsung and the same goes for OTA updates. I don't update my N10+'s and spend very little time doing maintenance. This one in my hand is still running on Pie, its current load is over 2yo; still snappy fast and stable. Security is not an issue. My other N10+ is running on 10, I prefer Pie. Neither will likely ever be upgraded.
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There's issues rooting a Samsung and the same goes for OTA updates. I don't update my N10+'s and spend very little time doing maintenance. This one in my hand is still running on Pie, its current load is over 2yo; still snappy fast and stable. Security is not an issue. My other N10+ is running on 10, I prefer Pie. Neither will likely ever be upgraded.
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Haha wow, and you haven't rooted either of them? If I had two, I would love to have one rooted for experimenting. What issues exactly are there with rooting? I'm guessing typical hardware issues like thumbprint for some ROMs?
And yeah it sounds like I will have to manually copy things to a synced folder... maybe I'll make a really lengthy macro that exports from my most important apps one-by-one.
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Haha wow, and you haven't rooted either of them? If I had two, I would love to have one rooted for experimenting. What issues exactly are there with rooting? I'm guessing typical hardware issues like thumbprint for some ROMs?
And yeah it sounds like I will have to manually copy things to a synced folder... maybe I'll make a really lengthy macro that exports from my most important apps one-by-one.
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The one is a backup, that's how much I like them.
They run well, security isn't an issue and they fullfill their mission; I have very little to gain by rooting except lose time and potentially a device.
There's no way to root these except maybe a granting a paid 3rd party vendor complete access to phone to unlock the bootloader, a huge security risk. No.
I don't worry about app data except for the ones I already backup especially Poweramp. Recreating that would take a long time. The other app data is best tossed, and could have been responsible for the reload. This N10+ in my hand was last reloaded over 2 years ago. Still fast and stable; that what Android is capable of.
Going over the settings and apps when reloading helps you to find things you may have overlooked. It also refreshes your memory of the how and why things work on your custom setup.
As the title says, I've been using Titanium for quite some time now and it works very well for the task.
However, I'm looking for an alternative full backup solution to Titanium since it tends to freeze (even though it gets the job done) and the interface is really outdated (sometimes confusing).
Open source and free would be nice, but I'll take a paid app if the asking price is reasonable and app really gets the job done.
What about oandbackup? I used it only once but it did the job.
I use swift backup, it can backup directly to gdrive
I bought it many years ago, but it was fairly inexpensive at the time, it's an IAP so you can check whatever it supports now and see if it works out for you
I have just switched to swift backup from titanium backup because of split apks. Its pretty good and I use migrate for backing up and switching roms.
I'll look into these backup alternatives, I've tried Migrate and I really like it.
I'd like to only one all-in-on backup solution, but I don't mind having two really good apps compromising each other in features.
Can't go wrong with SwiftBackup. Works very well and has a lot of settings and customisations which you can use to adopt it to your usecase
I use Migrate now... I think so far it's the best... also I've Titanium Backup, MyBackup Pro (before)... In the midst of switching to other ones... then I tried Swift Backup... but if you want privacy... and avoiding using Google Backups... This is not an option... it is very annoying that every time installing this app, you have to make the app go online to phone home and tie to your Google Account first... even I just want to do offline local backup... I've decided not to pay for it, was intended to pay, after hearing all the praises about Split APKs. Also recently I used it (Swift Backup) to backup... I have problem restoring an app... with some error of an app. I won't count on this one too much.
Swiftbackup
Stupidly painless
No Google or Miui Cloud backups here...
Does TWRP backup work for the Poco F3 yet and how does it work exactly (never actually backup up with TWRP)?
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No Google or Miui Cloud backups here...
Does TWRP backup work for the Poco F3 yet and how does it work exactly (never actually backup up with TWRP)?
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Over twrp I have a backup made, but I have not yet restored, so I can not guarantee. recovery functionality
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No Google or Miui Cloud backups here...
Does TWRP backup work for the Poco F3 yet and how does it work exactly (never actually backup up with TWRP)?
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The previous TWRP didn't restore my backup. I haven't tested the latest release however seeing the development discussions they've been focusing on ROM flashing and zip flashing so backup restore has not been prioritized so I assume it still doesn't work yet
Swift Backup + Migrate looks likes a good alternative full backup solution to Titanium Backup.
I'm still testing it out, but so far so good...thanks again guys.
Neo Backup (formerly OAndBackupX) can be a really good option if someone is still looking for backup tool. And Migrate-GPE for changing ROM and stuff.
Hi all,
Has anyone else tried to use titanium backup to restore some app data with Android 13, the moment I restore the app data only the app then instant crashes when trying to open the app?
I have titanium but haven't used it in years. I backup with syncthing and multiple cloud solutions and let google one take care of the apps
Swift backup will work as it should. Tb was last updated in 2019. Maybe titanium isn't updated for a13
I have switched from TiBu to Swiftbackup. I suggest that you do the same.
titanium backup hasn't been updated since Nov 24, 2019, as previous comments suggest swift backup works well!
swiftbackup or alpha backup pro.
Swift back up for the win
swift for sure. I still use titanium for freezing apps tho.
Titanium started having issues on Android 10 and that's when I moved to Swift. Be careful of this recent change, if you use Google Authenticator then you need to manually Export the codes to another device, then Import them back in later or move to another Authenticator like Aegis, this is per the Swift Telegram Chan.
Yeah, thanks guys for your feedback, I had no issues with Titanium even in android 12, I will restore what I want onto an older Pixel 4XL running anroid 12 then try switft backup.
Thanks again everyone.
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Titanium started having issues on Android 10 and that's when I moved to Swift. Be careful of this recent change, if you use Google Authenticator then you need to manually Export the codes to another device, then Import them back in later or move to another Authenticator like Aegis, this is per the Swift Telegram Chan.
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Yes I did notice this new change with google auth just yesterday when I was looking at it.
Microsoft Authenticator worked fine, and as you suggest google have screwed me over, will not longer use their authentication unless I have no other choice now, was previously the other way around
@danw_oz The change that screwed us over was made on Google's side. Google forced the app to encrypt the codes in a special way that Swift can't read it. Aegis was suggested by the Swift dev because it is directly compatible with Google Auth API and is able to do Exports and backups.
I have been able to restore a previous google auth app, which is why I didn't even think of looking into this, so really p!ssed about it, I think I have another backup, not the fresh one I took prior to factory reset with this new stupid google auth app, why we can't just auto back these up to google account encypted is beyond me.
LOL, have to laugh or I will cry. In big red writing at the top of swift backup, google authenticator. I wish titanium backup had stopped working for me years ago, and I wouldn't be in this mess with google authenticator
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swift for sure. I still use titanium for freezing apps tho.
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I previously used titanium for freezing apps too, yesterday I tried the swift, which also can do the freezing job.
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I previously used titanium for freezing apps too, yesterday I tried the swift, which also can do the freezing job.
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I didn't notice that. I just looked at swift however and I see that it's not seeing my renamed frozen magisk app.
whatsisnametake2 said:
I didn't notice that. I just looked at swift however and I see that it's not seeing my renamed frozen magisk app.
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Maybe you should toggle "show system apps", which is in the settings ->App backups section
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Maybe you should toggle "show system apps", which is in the settings ->App backups section
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yeah it's already set to show all apps
You people are all nuts for using closed source software (titanium, swift, etc.) for backing up your data.
This is what you SHOULD be using;
Neo Backup | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository
The open-source tool to backup your apps and data
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GitHub - NeoApplications/Neo-Backup: backup manager for android
backup manager for android. Contribute to NeoApplications/Neo-Backup development by creating an account on GitHub.
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why care whether or not an app is closed source?? almost EVERY app a user will install is closed source software!
Swift works really good.