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Is HTC cheating to increase battery life?

I have checked various sources about HTC One M8 benchmark, *and ALL anti-cheating benchmark like BaseMark X, Antutu X or Geekbench 3 M8 showed unreasonable low scores compared to Galaxy S5 (the difference of 801ab and 801ac is not that big) *
I suspect that HTC is doing something with the CPU to improve the battery life. That's why they are cheating with normal benchmarks (toggle can be turned off with normal apps, not benchmark applications - Anandtech). The difference of the real world performance maybe negligible but I think we want to be cheated.
Anybody can help me by renaming benchmark apps like quadrant or Linpack and comparing to S5 result? Thanks.

well htc one m8 has and performance mode and you can disable it
so you cant say htc is cheating

If you call software/hardware optimization a cheating in order to improve battery life, i hope they cheat ever more!

I recognized what OP said before from a review on ePrice (Taiwanese). HTC is definitely doing something subtle.
pedyvirus said:
well htc one m8 has and performance mode and you can disable it
so you cant say htc is cheating
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I thought that Anandtech said the toggle allows your normal apps can run with the CPU level in benchmark, not to turn the "benchmark optimization" off.
ivicask said:
If you call software/hardware optimization a cheating in order to improve battery life, i hope they cheat ever more!
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I totally agree about battery optimization. But the way HTC doing is they want to deceive customer that they are the best of both world: benchmark and battery. I don't care about benchmark, just the real performance but many people care. Just think about the benchmark scores, if they didn't cheat and all reviews show that the scores are only 3/4 compare to S5, what would you think? Antutu X showed only 27k, which is equivalent exactly 3/4 of GS5 (36k).

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If you call software/hardware optimization a cheating in order to improve battery life, i hope they cheat ever more!
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It's cheating intended. Lower the CPU with the performance similar to to 1.9 2.0 GHz but still advertise as 2.5 GHz CPU!

harrytech said:
It's cheating intended. Lower the CPU with the performance similar to to 1.9 2.0 GHz but still advertise as 2.5 GHz CPU!
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It sounds like an automatic CPU battery saving mode, not "optimization", lol

harrytech said:
It's cheating intended. Lower the CPU with the performance similar to to 1.9 2.0 GHz but still advertise as 2.5 GHz CPU!
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2.3* if you want to be a stat who're buy a GS5 my M8 does everything I ask of it.
Sent from my Renovated Elemental M8

BrockFerens said:
2.3* if you want to be a stat who're buy a GS5 my M8 does everything I ask of it.
Sent from my Renovated Elemental M8
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Oh 2.34 GHz. Actually I agree with you. Last year Snapdragon 600 on my M7 is totally enough. We only need better GPU, no need for CPU. But I'm still waiting for any manufacturer dares to lower down the CPU "officially" to increase the battery life (not in a subtle way like this), similar to HTC itself shrinked down the number of MPs for a bigger pixel size.

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HTC 10 very poor performance

hello,my htc 10 performance is very poor so i decided to stress test my phone using the antutu app.
as you can see the cpu load is varying between 80-90% but the speed deosnt pass 1200-1600 mhz range. the maximum frequency is 2200.。
i have lag in almost every graphice intense game
i have poor performance and i dont know what to do, should i return the phone and request another one or is there something i can do?:crying:

Im getting pretty much the same problem, download an app off the playstore called fps test and can you tell me if the framerate seems to stick at 50fps then jump to 60fps then back to 50, or just stays at 50.

andy010101 said:
Im getting pretty much the same problem, download an app off the playstore called fps test and can you tell me if the framerate seems to stick at 50fps then jump to 60fps then back to 50, or just stays at 50.
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Yes i tested and i got about 49-50 fps then after about 15-20 seconds it jumps up to 59-60 and comes back down

Yeah I think that must have something to do with it, im getting that too and my phone seems really slow also. I wonder if its a defect, I just got it the other day. Can anyone else who has their phone working normally also test?

andy010101 said:
Yeah I think that must have something to do with it, im getting that too and my phone seems really slow also. I wonder if its a defect, I just got it the other day. Can anyone else who has their phone working normally also test?
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Yea i got the phone for a month, i asked everyone who has it ,how they run high graphic games and they say they have no lag..i think we might have a faulty phone

andy010101 said:
Im getting pretty much the same problem, download an app off the playstore called fps test and can you tell me if the framerate seems to stick at 50fps then jump to 60fps then back to 50, or just stays at 50.
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Yes i tested and i got about 49-50 fps then after about 15-20 seconds it jumps up to 59-60 and comes back down
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This is normal for games, smartphones are not an highend PC.
Also, read post 6 in this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/laggy-homescreen-gaming-t3434178
It probably has something to do with software (HTC firmware).
What game did you test ? Alsphalt 8 is pretty bad optimised

CroCop18 said:
This is normal for games, smartphones are not an highend PC.
Also, read post 6 in this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/laggy-homescreen-gaming-t3434178
It probably has something to do with software (HTC firmware).
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Yeah but i have lag in every game with a bit of a higher graphic, even in hearthstone it lags pretty hard ,on the other hand other devices run it almost flawless

CroCop18 said:
This is normal for games, smartphones are not an highend PC.
Also, read post 6 in this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/laggy-homescreen-gaming-t3434178
It probably has something to do with software (HTC firmware).
What game did you test ? Alsphalt 8 is pretty bad optimised
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Also as you can see from the stress test, the device
Doesnt really pass 1200-1300 mhz even at almost full load

Do you have a lot of widgets running ?
Try clearing cache (junk) in Boost+
you can try factory reset

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Do you have a lot of widgets running ?
Try clearing cache (junk) in Boost+
you can try factory reset
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Just the basic google search,also cache is cleared and i factory reseted the phone a week ago but it didnt really do anything

Just did a stress test in antutu like you did.
My wifi was turned off, no apps in background, everything stock, new phone.
I got almost the same results like you, a bit better though, but my cpu speed frequency doesn`t go over 1600 mhz. It looks like this is normal. 820 cpu can run at 2200, but it is always a bit underclocked on smartphones.
It must be that software (HTC firmware) is doing some harm to gaming

Try downloading an app called fps test, its icon is an orange circle. Can you see what the framerate is on it/ whether its stable. I've never ever had this problem on any other phone.

Read something yesterday about HTC shutting down one of the cores once a certain temperature is reached, dunno if that is what's causing your issue, there was also a work around in the rom / kernel section which upped the temperature before the setting kicked in...
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Have you turned on High Performance Mode in the developer options?

HTC 10
This isn't as simple as saying its the phone itself. Android is an open source OS with a number of different devices so it's harder to optimize games for every phone, then with the higher screen resolution on newer phones this can also slow down frame rate. Another thing that has caused issues is the Nougat update which they are suppose to fix soon, this could be why an older phone runs games smoother due to lower screen resolution and and older version of Android which has had time to be perfected and receive necessary updates. The HTC 10 is actually a gaming beast compared to other Android devices. With the HTC 10 you can go into developer options (by going to ABOUT phone and clicking on "build number 7 times, developer options will then be added into your settings. Inside developer options you can then click "high performance mode" which will over clock your CPU to boost performance (only use when your phone is plugged in because it will drain battery fast). By scrolling to the bottom of the screen click advanced and you can then turn off animations (this will make your phone a little faster). If you want higher frame rate click (force gpu rendering) this will help boost frame rate by offloading graphics onto the gpu freeing up power of the CPU (this may or may not degrade graphics slightly). If you want to improve 3D graphics you can click "4xmsaa".

Multi-core performance drop with Android 7.0?

Not sure if it's just me but Geekbench results for multi-core have dropped quite significantly after the final Nougat release.
With Marshmallow it scored around 4400, with Nougat it's around 3200 which is quite a big drop.
Anyone else getting the same?

i got 3039 for pixel c and my nexus 9 got 3340. both with interactive governor. i would guess if the govenor was some performance type it would register higher numbers.

dkryder said:
i got 3039 for pixel c and my nexus 9 got 3340. both with interactive governor. i would guess if the govenor was some performance type it would register higher numbers.
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Most devices are set to interactive anyway, that wouldn't result in such a large drop in multi-core performance.
Good to know it's not just my PIxel C.

1408 single / 3138 multi here :/
I have stuttering when scrolling on Chrome, but i didnt have this problem on MM and Remix OS

gtaadicto92 said:
1408 single / 3138 multi here :/
I have stuttering when scrolling on Chrome, but i didnt have this problem on MM and Remix OS
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Thanks for testing.
I'm assuming this isn't intentional from Google.

Same here
I'm on preview 5 and I have similar geekbench results. I am running a rooted pixel c and got similar results with the performance governor as well.
Shocky2 said:
Not sure if it's just me but Geekbench results for multi-core have dropped quite significantly after the final Nougat release.
With Marshmallow it scored around 4400, with Nougat it's around 3200 which is quite a big drop.
Anyone else getting the same?
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Maybe GeekBench isn't tuned properly for Nougat.

brando56894 said:
Maybe GeekBench isn't tuned properly for Nougat.
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Seeing the last update for it was in Feb 2016, I would say this ^ makes sense.

I just tried out photo mate r3, which has a benchmark function as well. That is a raw photo editing app. In Marshmallow the benchmark takes 33 seconds. In nougat it takes at least 45 seconds. Very similar to the drop in performance seen in Geekbench. Unless photo mate and Geekbench are doing the exact same things, this seems like a performance regression.

It got even worse with Geekbench 4. I am now clocking 1200 single core and 2400 multi-core on Nougat. The individual stats are pretty pathetic compared to other devices. I wonder what happened?
Shocky2 said:
Not sure if it's just me but Geekbench results for multi-core have dropped quite significantly after the final Nougat release.
With Marshmallow it scored around 4400, with Nougat it's around 3200 which is quite a big drop.
Anyone else getting the same?
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Read the reviews. Other people are having the same issues with these benchmark apps showing lower scores that are inconsistent. I don't think the Pixel C is by itself in these crappy scores.

bluestang said:
Read the reviews. Other people are having the same issues with these benchmark apps showing lower scores that are inconsistent. I don't think the Pixel C is by itself in these crappy scores.
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Yeah. But I still get a ten second difference between Marshmallow and nougat in photo mate. I now get the same result as I do on my LG G4 (with its significantly worse processor). Nothing has changed except nougat. That's at least two apps where nougat performance is significantly worse than Marshmallow on the pixel c.

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Yeah. But I still get a ten second difference between Marshmallow and nougat in photo mate. I now get the same result as I do on my LG G4 (with its significantly worse processor). Nothing has changed except nougat. That's at least two apps where nougat performance is significantly worse than Marshmallow on the pixel c.
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Load marshmallow.
Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk

Thanks for the constructive reply. Next time I experience a problem in Android I will be sure to ignore it.

I think he may be saying the benchmarks FUBARed and just enjoy Nougat???

hey, i run geekbench 4 with the cpu bench and i got a really good score.
but with the compute bench (graphics) i got a really worse result.
i got 1216 points, the nexus 9 with the older soc gets 3689 points.
I think the problem is the graphics driver. some news pages says, android nougat will use a new graphic interface with the latest opengl version.
maybe nvidia hat not yet released a new driver and the older one can´t be use with the full power.

I also noticed this. I found another renderscript (the API Google uses for running computations on the GPU) benchmark and it show similarly bad results on pixel c. I also found this issue https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=204712
That indicates that the pixel c didn't ship with a Nvidia specific renderscript driver, which might be why the performance is bad. Just a guess, but I don't think it is even using the GPU. Which is a shame. The pixel c should fly in this test. I wonder if it's possible to load in the driver from the shield TV?
ravn83 said:
hey, i run geekbench 4 with the cpu bench and i got a really good score.
but with the compute bench (graphics) i got a really worse result.
i got 1216 points, the nexus 9 with the older soc gets 3689 points.
I think the problem is the graphics driver. some news pages says, android nougat will use a new graphic interface with the latest opengl version.
maybe nvidia hat not yet released a new driver and the older one can´t be use with the full power.
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Wildly variable benchmark scores

I know, I'm sorry, benchmarks, who needs them? The reason I'm testing is because I bought this phone used and I want to make sure that it's not broken in some way. I have a friend who is flipping HTC 10's and he's been doing benchmarks on each one that comes across his desk, and it seems like they're quite a bit different than mine.
On the stock rom my Antutu score has ranged from 108,000 to 152,000. Each time there's up to a 20,000 point difference. In my experience, your benchmark scores shouldn't change much unless you change something, so why the 45K range in scores? Not only that, but in Lineage 14.1 my scores drop significantly, down to 72,000, with the highest at 98,000.
I performed a RUU today and my scores are still flexing between 108 and 118K.
GeekBench 4 is a similar issue, my multicore performance has ranged from 1700 to 4100, and my single core from 1100 to 1700.
On a regular basis my Droid turbo (from 2014, running Lineage 14.1) is beating my HTC One in both tests. Do I have a bad phone, or is this normal behavior for the Sprint 10?
My buddy gets about 4000/1700 in geekbench and about 118K in Antutu, and his scores don't seem to change very much. He's running Lineage 14.1.

thunder2132 said:
I know, I'm sorry, benchmarks, who needs them? The reason I'm testing is because I bought this phone used and I want to make sure that it's not broken in some way. I have a friend who is flipping HTC 10's and he's been doing benchmarks on each one that comes across his desk, and it seems like they're quite a bit different than mine.
On the stock rom my Antutu score has ranged from 108,000 to 152,000. Each time there's up to a 20,000 point difference. In my experience, your benchmark scores shouldn't change much unless you change something, so why the 45K range in scores? Not only that, but in Lineage 14.1 my scores drop significantly, down to 72,000, with the highest at 98,000.
I performed a RUU today and my scores are still flexing between 108 and 118K.
GeekBench 4 is a similar issue, my multicore performance has ranged from 1700 to 4100, and my single core from 1100 to 1700.
On a regular basis my Droid turbo (from 2014, running Lineage 14.1) is beating my HTC One in both tests. Do I have a bad phone, or is this normal behavior for the Sprint 10?
My buddy gets about 4000/1700 in geekbench and about 118K in Antutu, and his scores don't seem to change very much. He's running Lineage 14.1.
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Perhaps it's thermal throttling?
Nougat update improved things on that front. Are you on Marshmallow? Also you can try going into developer option and setting High Performance mode and then doing your test to see if you get improved scores.

Tarima said:
Perhaps it's thermal throttling?
Nougat update improved things on that front. Are you on Marshmallow? Also you can try going into developer option and setting High Performance mode and then doing your test to see if you get improved scores.
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I think you're probably right on the thermal throttling side of things. I'm on Lineage 14.1 now, and if I run a benchmark after the phone has been idle for a while it's in the 138K range where it's supposed to be. Overclocked on stock is where I'm getting closer to 145K. I think I was doing too many tests, and when they were bad, I'd flash to another ROM (while charging) which didn't help with the thermal side of things.
Thermal throttling also would explain why if you do one test, then immediately repeat it the phone will score worse, which happens every time I try it.
I'm not on MM, I did a RUU to the latest version of N and then unlocked from there.

Low benchmark score in Every custom rom even with custom kernel

Guys I am switching Rom for best battery life and performance .
viperos latest build antutu around 110000
Jaguar rom little bit more
same with other rom like crdorid citric aex etc
i did test with stock and custom kernel also but same result I tried jaguar heliox
even geekbench are very low single core is 17hundred and multi-score is around 2900
Help me asap

Single core geekbench at 1700 is not low, and high benchmark score doesnt do anything rather than bragging on the internet, in that case, just stole another result that is high already

but other showing more
pipyakas said:
Single core geekbench at 1700 is not low, and high benchmark score doesnt do anything rather than bragging on the internet, in that case, just stole another result that is high already
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i also have lemax2 which have 4gb ram and 32gb internal and snapdragon 820. And in lemax 2 i got 1700 single core and 4000 multicore.

amit gaikwad said:
i also have lemax2 which have 4gb ram and 32gb internal and snapdragon 820. And in lemax 2 i got 1700 single core and 4000 multicore.
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so what? it mostly due to overhead in the software and thermal config that the cpu cannot run all cores at max speed for the entire time benchmarking. if you want high benchmark score then dont use this phone apparently
If you still insisted on getting highest benchmark score, get jaguar kernel, put everything to best performance and highest thermal limit, then throw the phone into a fridge. Maybe it would get better