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[Q] Which carrier version should I buy?

I would like the maximum possibility of custom firmwares, etc. Which carrier's version has unlockable/exploitable bootloader, and so on, such that I can reasonably expect to be able to install custom firmware for a long as the device is supported by devs? I've looked through a bunch of threads and nothing is really giving me this info, as a person shopping. It looks like Sprint has the lowest (subsidized) price, though T-Mobile tends to have the most "open" devices. That said, I have a Verizon account already.
Which carrier's version should I buy? I don't want to be stuck with something like Safestrap (no offense to Hashcode, his work is awesome!). Is there even an option that answers this question the way I want?
Related.... if anyone knows, how do the sizes compare? I have been using a Nook HD+, which is supposedly 8.9 inches. Is the 8.4 going to be most similar to that? It appears to be narrower from pictures, but I don't want to jump up TOO much in size, either. Anyone who's used both, is the 10.5" too much tablet?

Stay away from Verizon and AT&T both have locked bootloaders.

Can't you buy an international lte model and see if you can use a Verizon Sim card on it? Idk . As ash said don't buy any tab s directly from Verizon or att. The 10.5 would be to big for a tablet IMO. I own a 10.5 and it's sometime hard to put it/hold it while traveling. 8.4 should do fine.
Try and see if you can use a verizon or att Sim on the international model. As for sprint, their bands might be different in which if you buy directly from sprint, ROM support is really low since it uses a different chips. Hope this helps!
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Honestly, I don't even really care about carriers, as I normally only use my tablet on WiFi. I only ask because I'm trying to subsidize the cost (yes, I know it costs more in the long run). but what I DO care about is custom ROMs. Thanks for the info regarding the 10.5", that was my feeling as well, even as a guy with large hands it seemed like a lot.
Maybe I will just end up buying an international model outright, that's a good idea.

cixelsyddyslexic said:
Honestly, I don't even really care about carriers, as I normally only use my tablet on WiFi. I only ask because I'm trying to subsidize the cost (yes, I know it costs more in the long run). but what I DO care about is custom ROMs. Thanks for the info regarding the 10.5", that was my feeling as well, even as a guy with large hands it seemed like a lot.
Maybe I will just end up buying an international model outright, that's a good idea.
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As for custom roms, very few as more devs own the WiFi models. Like the 8.4 lte does have cyanogenmod 12 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=59398782
But few things are broken.
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Verizon has snapdraghon soc

LoVeRice said:
Verizon has snapdraghon soc
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Is that a plus or a minus in terms of my question? I have no idea which chipset is more supported, that's what I'm trying to find out

cixelsyddyslexic said:
Is that a plus or a minus in terms of my question? I have no idea which chipset is more supported, that's what I'm trying to find out
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Exynos is more supported. Very few have snapdragon
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I've purchased an 8.4" WiFi version with Exynos (refurb from Walmart.com, $249!). Thanks for the help, guys!

cixelsyddyslexic said:
I've purchased an 8.4" WiFi version with Exynos (refurb from Walmart.com, $249!). Thanks for the help, guys!
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WiFi version ehh? Enjoy your CM12 Nightlies Great deal BTW!
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Which Variant, PLEASE HELP!!

Dear Friends,
Itching to order a Note 7. Based on what we saw with the S7 line, I am assuming that the Snapdragon US models will be locked down with their BLs. That I believe just leaves me with the option of N930F (UK/Europe model) or the N930FD (South East Asian) model.
For the life of me, I don't understand why the Dual-SIM model is cheaper than the single one, probably cause it's geared for Asian markets? However, from what I understand they both have EXACTLY the SAME hardware and Radios, am I correct?
So the simple question is:
For a person that values Root and unlocked Bootloader, that lives in the US, uses AT&T (could switch to T-Mobile) what is the BEST variant for me to order? N930F or N930FD?
Second most important question: Can the ROMs developed for N930F be also used on N930FD? And the same goes for Stock firmware flashes, in case things go south from the Rooting trail?
Would appreciate any prompt input guys, thank you!

ProFragger said:
Dear Friends,
Itching to order a Note 7. Based on what we saw with the S7 line, I am assuming that the Snapdragon US models will be locked down with their BLs. That I believe just leaves me with the option of N930F (UK/Europe model) or the N930FD (South East Asian) model.
For the life of me, I don't understand why the Dual-SIM model is cheaper than the single one, probably cause it's geared for Asian markets? However, from what I understand they both have EXACTLY the SAME hardware and Radios, am I correct?
So the simple question is:
For a person that values Root and unlocked Bootloader, that lives in the US, uses AT&T (could switch to T-Mobile) what is the BEST variant for me to order? N930F or N930FD?
Second most important question: Can the ROMs developed for N930F be also used on N930FD? And the same goes for Stock firmware flashes, in case things go south from the Rooting trail?
Would appreciate any prompt input guys, thank you!
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The Canadian variant "should " also be exynos and unlocked.
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I would say get the FD cause its unlocked and exenos which has better battery life.

erootaku123 said:
I would say get the FD cause its unlocked and exenos which has better battery life.
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Thanks for your response friend! Would the FD had any less compatibility in the US or less development, ROM, or stock firmware support than the regular F?

force70 said:
The Canadian variant "should " also be exynos and unlocked.
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Thank you for your response as well, do you see any upside of getting the Canadian variant over the International F or FD one? The latter are cheaper in the US, I think...

ProFragger said:
Thanks for your response friend! Would the FD had any less compatibility in the US or less development, ROM, or stock firmware support than the regular F?
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Its basically the international version, comes unlocked. Should be stock firmware. Not sure about development but compatibility is the same as the s7 edge. So it should work. At least I know it works on t-mobile. Not sure about at&t. It does not work with verizon or sprint. cause they cmda.

erootaku123 said:
Its basically the international version, comes unlocked. Should be stock firmware. Not sure about development but compatibility is the same as the s7 edge. So it should work. At least I know it works on t-mobile. Not sure about at&t. It does not work with verizon or sprint. cause they cmda.
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Thanks again for your response bud. So again, you don't think the FD would be any less compatible than the regular F in the US? Trying to see out of the International models, if there is any reason to get the Dual-SIM model over the the regular single SIM model or not? Other than the obvious difference of using two SIMs, I am interested in knowing if one has any advantage over the other in terms of Development support on XDA, Warranty issues in the US (UK model vs. the Asian model (Dual SIM)), and any radio differences between the F and FD?

ProFragger said:
Thanks again for your response bud. So again, you don't think the FD would be any less compatible than the regular F in the US? Trying to see out of the International models, if there is any reason to get the Dual-SIM model over the the regular single SIM model or not? Other than the obvious difference of using two SIMs, I am interested in knowing if one has any advantage over the other in terms of Development support on XDA, Warranty issues in the US (UK model vs. the Asian model (Dual SIM)), and any radio differences between the F and FD?
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Not 100% sure on the internal differences didn't really do research into that. As for warranty there basically is none. Its the main downside. I don't think there are any radio differences, but don't quote me. You are basically paying for dual sim and unlocked "vanilla" international note 7. USA versions are locked and may have rooting/development issues but will be more popular of model.
https://www.frequencycheck.com/comp...930fd-galaxy-note-7-duos-td-lte/united-states

erootaku123 said:
I would say get the FD cause its unlocked and exenos which has better battery life.
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force70 said:
The Canadian variant "should " also be exynos and unlocked.
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Hi Guys,
I'm tired of asking for more and more details and not enough answers. Can you guys help me come up with a bottom line?
If I need an unlocked Bootloader and custom development support and using the phone in the US on AT&T or T-Mobile, which variant should I get? The regular N930F or the Dual SIM version the N930FD?
Thanks for your help!

ProFragger said:
Hi Guys,
I'm tired of asking for more and more details and not enough answers. Can you guys help me come up with a bottom line?
If I need an unlocked Bootloader and custom development support and using the phone in the US on AT&T or T-Mobile, which variant should I get? The regular N930F or the Dual SIM version the N930FD?
Thanks for your help!
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Dude....we are so sorry that your just so tired of asking questions and not getting enough answers..
NOT!
If you want help i suggest losing that type of attitude...you come off sounding very entitled which is not something which is looked at fondly here.
Now since I can answer you question I will despite what you wrote.
given past history across a few devices Ive the regular F version seem to see more development than the dual sim model.
Dual sim does get some support but always muchess than the F version.
Unless you need dual sim I would recommend the regular F version hands down.
Tmo does have at least one diff\extra frequencie..(band 12 i think) than AT&T so likely the F version will work better on ATT but there are guys running on Tmo with it.
Id take a closer look at compatibility with Tmo before dropping your hard earned cash on it though...always good to do some homework before buying.
All that said and as I mentioned in your quote the Canadian version is also exynos and an exact match band wise for ATT. May be easier to buy from here than an international version
Hole that helps some?
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force70 said:
Dude....we are so sorry that your just so tired of asking questions and not getting enough answers..
NOT!
If you want help i suggest losing that type of attitude...you come off sounding very entitled which is not something which is looked at fondly here.
Now since I can answer you question I will despite what you wrote.
given past history across a few devices Ive the regular F version seem to see more development than the dual sim model.
Dual sim does get some support but always muchess than the F version.
Unless you need dual sim I would recommend the regular F version hands down.
Tmo does have at least one diff\extra frequencie..(band 12 i think) than AT&T so likely the F version will work better on ATT but there are guys running on Tmo with it.
Id take a closer look at compatibility with Tmo before dropping your hard earned cash on it though...always good to do some homework before buying.
All that said and as I mentioned in your quote the Canadian version is also exynos and an exact match band wise for ATT. May be easier to buy from here than an international version
Hole that helps some?
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Hey bud, thanks for your detailed response and that seemed to have been my inkling too. Haha I apologize if my tone sounded entitled. I kinda felt that it could be misinterpreted that way, as I wrote it, but I thought you guys will be cool and probably get what I meant. What I meant was, I'm tired of myself asking the question questions and letting or from pulling the trigger on an order ?. I'm an XDA Senior Member since 2008 or 2009. Check all my previous posts, I'm far from being entitled and an ass, really LOL! But thanks for living up to the greatness of this community and still answering my question, despite being annoyed ?. My apologies to anyone else who interprets my post the same way as you did ?!
You guys are the best, proud to be a member of this community ?!

import note 7

anyone importing a note7 for exynos and/or root?
any input isappreciated ,

as of now, there are roots for snaps too, where are you from?

winol said:
as of now, there are roots for snaps too, where are you from?
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'snaps'?
from ca, usa

snapdragon soc, the ones in usa and canada

I had a snap dragon version, got rid of it and got dual Sim card. Root, battery, dual sim, no bloat. Never looked back

yes, but I think jd342423 from california usa, wants an opinion about getting an international note7, well,
an exynos model is said to be more batt efficient, it was rooted earlier than snapdragons, but, it would present a potentially risk of no warranty support, I would get one of my region, I have taken several devices to my carrier, who only accepts the ones officially sold in my country

winol said:
as of now, there are roots for snaps too, where are you from?
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Yes but with major drawbacks and limitations.
Hardly your "standard" root method.
I have an FD unit but got it from a store locally seemed a better option than ebay etc.if i have any issues with it i can deal with them face to face instead of trying to get someone over the internet to help with the issue.
Its kind of hard to ignore or screw a customer when hes standing 2 ft from you lol
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Import Note 10+ snapdragon to Europe

Hi guys,
I live in Europe(Croatia) where only the exynos version of Note 10+ is available. I am looking for a new phone and my wish number 1 is Note 10+, but the snapdragon variant.
If I decide to import it from somewhere, will it work here? I am even ready to risk and go without a warranty.
I was googling it, but find contradictory information. So I decided it is better if I open a new thread for it.
There are a lot of questions I want to ask
What version to import? Will I receive software updates? Will I have all network bands? What about regional unlock?
Thank you.

I think you won't have any problem provided you import the unlocked international version (if there is one where you want to import from).
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Thx, but which one of these(SM-N975F (Europe); SM-N975F/DS (Global); SM-N975U (USA); SM-N975U1 (USA unlocked); SM-N975W (Canada); SM-N9750/DS (LATAM, Brazil, China); SM-N975N (South Korea)) is unlocked international version?
If you are referring to global SM-N975F/DS, it also has exynos: https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note10+-9732.php#sm-n975f-ds

You'll find all Note 10+ available models here: https://www.phonemore.com/models/samsung/galaxy-note-10-plus/
Based on SAMMOBILE site, which has all firmwares for all Note 10+ models (https://www.sammobile.com/samsung/galaxy-note-10-plus/firmware/#SM-N975U1), I understand that, in fact, any of the models can be locked to a certain cellular network or unlocked. So the unlocked version should be international also. The only thing that will make a difference between same Note 10+ model sold in different countries is the ability to record phone calls, which is restricted in some countries. Regarding firmware updates, there should not be any problem, you will only get the updates when they are officially released for the country you bought the phone from.
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Really don't care about phone calls recording...I just want a functional phone.
Do you have any suggestions on where to buy it? EDIT: preferably from Europe

third party sellers are the only way you will get a snapdragon phone in europe, the entire european market is on Exynos, so you would either have to find a site willing to export to your country or a local seller who imports the phones. either way it won't be from a first party phone shop.
then if you do import you have to watch the sim unlocking rules, as the european phones need to use a european sim for a short period before unlocking to work for other countries, so buying from a reseller who has already done the network unlock meaning you will always be getting an opened box devices with no guarantee it's new and likely no warranty.

I bought a Snapdragon version N9750 on Ebay, from a seller in Europe. It's working great for me, I live in Sweden. Updates are working, but for example the 2.1 update that have rolled out to Exynos devices still haven't come to my device. But I'm not to stressed over updates anymore

Kimbo82 said:
I bought a Snapdragon version N9750 on Ebay, from a seller in Europe. It's working great for me, I live in Sweden. Updates are working, but for example the 2.1 update that have rolled out to Exynos devices still haven't come to my device. But I'm not to stressed over updates anymore
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How did you get rid of region lock? Or it came in the open box already unlocked?

I'm sorry, I do not have any suggestions. Belimawr said it all. I'm just not sure about what he said regarding the need to use a phone bought in Europe, for the first few days, with an european simcard, in order to have it unlocked. In the days of Note 4, I bought one in Germany (me living in Israel), during a trip, and use it without a simcard, for navigation only or at home on wifi. I never had a local simcard and I bought it (in a big shop) as international version. Never had problems with it, it was unlocked from the beginning. There are many risks you have to take when ordering online, from unknown sources. What's so bad with the Exynos? I have it and I'm very pleased with it.
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Take a look at this thread:
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/to...1&share_fid=3793&share_type=t&link_source=app
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tmatkovic said:
How did you get rid of region lock? Or it came in the open box already unlocked?
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It came in the box already unlocked :good:

uhi711 said:
Belimawr said it all. I'm just not sure about what he said regarding the need to use a phone bought in Europe, for the first few days, with an european simcard, in order to have it unlocked.
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https://www.coolblue.nl/en/advice/samsung-region-lock-what-is-it-and-how-do-you-get-rid-of-it.html
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What's so bad with the Exynos? I have it and I'm very pleased with it.
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Well, there are many resources on the internet that saying Exynos is inferior in lot of categories.
I don't care if it has slightly inferior CPU speed because it is enough for my needs. I also don't care it is much inferior in GPU speed because I don't play graphic intensive games. I can also live with a slightly inferior camera.
But what I do care is an inferior signal and battery life(bigger standby battery drain, bigger energy consumption for the same workload).

yeah that link posted above is what I Was talking about with unlocking, it isn't much to unlock the "unlocked" phones but it can be a problem if it comes to you brand new and still with the lock in place as you would then need to source a way of doing the time in calls with the sim from the intended region, it's why most imports come open box as they do the phone call before exporting it making the phone technically second hand and likely voiding any warranty directly from Samsung so you would be reliant on the person who sent you the phone. there is also stories about of firms like Samsung not doing repairs on devices outside of their intended regions so any fault would likely need a third party repairer as well.
I've been using the Exynos since it came out and honestly even under above average use I easy get a day out of the battery and as far as performance goes, it does everything I need it to. the big problem with the Exynos Vs SD argument is it goes by benchmarks on phones and chances are in the real world those difference will be that small people wont even notice them under general use. it's always been a problem with technology people look at benchmark numbers and in the real world they generally mean very little as they are done under lab conditions and not actual usage or with devices that have been used day in and day out, it is on clean devices fresh out of the box with little bulk, 12 month down the road the numbers could shift but in truth unless you sit the 2 side by side you are unlikely to actually notice the difference.
personally for me it's easier to just buy the local one as in day to day use you are gaining nothing by taking the extra steps to get one from a different region unless you are specifically going for something like dual sim that might not be in your region or if you are picking the device up cheaper.

Regarding the region lock, if this would be your case, looks like there is an other solution to unlock it, if using a local sim for 5 minutes isn't possible.
Take a look here: https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/Galaxy-Note9/Regional-lock/td-p/650891
Or here: https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5...5G/Regional-Lock-Samsung-10-Note/td-p/1504884
Or here:
https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5...10-5G/European-SIM-card-only-S10/td-p/1296078
So, my point is that if you intend to buy your phone from an european country, then you shouldn't have any region lock problem. In my opinion, the only thing that could make me import a phone from an other country by online ordering would be a big difference in price. But also in this case I would think twice because we should not forget the customs taxes and the shipping fees.
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Check on Wonda Mobile. They have a really good reputation and have the snapdragon version available. It looks like all the 5G versions are sold out but they have the non 5G versions at very good prices too.

I live in Russia and use the Hong Kong version and I still haven’t received a firmware update to 2.1, do you have any update information? Thank you in advance

Scripitiscrip said:
I live in Russia and use the Hong Kong version and I still haven’t received a firmware update to 2.1, do you have any update information? Thank you in advance
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I don't think Samsung has released it yet. I'm still waiting for mine as well, and don't see anything official yet:
https://doc.samsungmobile.com/SM-N9750/TGY/doc.html

Biggenz said:
Check on Wonda Mobile. They have a really good reputation and have the snapdragon version available. It looks like all the 5G versions are sold out but they have the non 5G versions at very good prices too.
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Thx, seems they have very good trustpilot score. I might go for it.
Don't need 5G here atm anyway.

Samsung is slower with updating the Snapdragon versions, always a few weeks after the Exynos versions

Belimawr said:
I've been using the Exynos since it came out and honestly even under above average use I easy get a day out of the battery and as far as performance goes, it does everything I need it to. the big problem with the Exynos Vs SD argument is it goes by benchmarks on phones and chances are in the real world those difference will be that small people wont even notice them under general use. it's always been a problem with technology people look at benchmark numbers and in the real world they generally mean very little as they are done under lab conditions and not actual usage or with devices that have been used day in and day out, it is on clean devices fresh out of the box with little bulk, 12 month down the road the numbers could shift but in truth unless you sit the 2 side by side you are unlikely to actually notice the difference.
personally for me it's easier to just buy the local one as in day to day use you are gaining nothing by taking the extra steps to get one from a different region unless you are specifically going for something like dual sim that might not be in your region or if you are picking the device up cheaper.
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The SD variant is better in terms of battery efficiency which makes another significant difference that affects the daily use of any owner if we ignore the better overall performance.

ghassan haddad said:
The SD variant is better in terms of battery efficiency which makes another significant difference that affects the daily use of any owner if we ignore the better overall performance.
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I easy get a full day out of it and can sit several hours straight gaming on the phone, the size of the battery unless you are being kept alive by looking at the screen it will get you through a day and I honestly doubt the difference is anything substantial enough to make a difference (you aren't getting 2 days without really light use)

Question Alternatives to Pixel 6 pro?

Like many others I am not sure when I'll even get it. Ordered it 5 pm ET on 19th. No update. Doubt I'll get it anytime soon. And obviously need a phone kinda now.
What are the options for a quality flagship? As far as I can see
Mi 11 ultra
S21 ultra
One plus 9 pro
Anything I am missing?
For the above the way I see it next gen is in a few months but I obviously can't wait.
Thanks in advance for any help. Appreciate it.

I've been trying to find a manufacturer to stick with after bouncing around a lot over the years. I was hoping that Google would be it with the new devices. Not quite sure on that. If I return this, I'm sticking with Samsung. I'm on Verizon, so most of the alternative devices (Xiaomi and the likes) are a no go.
My only issues with Samsung is they stick ads in everything and they have their separate store for updating some of their apps. They need to remove both of those.

Sammae7 said:
I've been trying to find a manufacturer to stick with after bouncing around a lot over the years. I was hoping that Google would be it with the new devices. Not quite sure on that. If I return this, I'm sticking with Samsung. I'm on Verizon, so most of the alternative devices (Xiaomi and the likes) are a no go.
My only issues with Samsung is they stick ads in everything and they have their separate store for updating some of their apps. They need to remove both of those.
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Didn't realize Xiaomi and the rest are no good with Verizon? Are they ok with ATT or T Mobile?

Yes. They work much better there. It mostly has to do with GMA and CDMA frequencies. AT&T and T-Mobile use GMA while Sprint and Verizon heavily rely on CDMA, which I guess is slowly changing. Verizon also likes to heavily limit what devices they allow on their network.

Pr20 said:
Didn't realize Xiaomi and the rest are no good with Verizon? Are they ok with ATT or T Mobile?
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Xiaomi has next to zero compatible US bands. You'll have an awful time on T-Mobile, and I believe the same on AT&T.

Sammae7 said:
My only issues with Samsung is they stick ads in everything ... They need to remove both of those.
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They just removed that.

Nice. Now they just need to dump their store and go strictly Play Store.

I mean, I agree, but it's not a huge deal. It auto-updates just like the play store does. Worst case scenario you check it once a month after the software update. /shrug
If I was ABSOLUTELY going to get a phone now, and I wasn't getting a pixel, I'd get a Oneplus 9 Pro. It's actually a great device, it just has **** software. Root it, and put a pixel experience ROM on it, and it's damn near identical to the 6 Pro. I actually think I like the hardware/feel of the 9 Pro better, especially in the pine green color.

Pr20 said:
Like many others I am not sure when I'll even get it. Ordered it 5 pm ET on 19th. No update. Doubt I'll get it anytime soon. And obviously need a phone kinda now.
What are the options for a quality flagship? As far as I can see
Mi 11 ultra
S21 ultra
One plus 9 pro
Anything I am missing?
For the above the way I see it next gen is in a few months but I obviously can't wait.
Thanks in advance for any help. Appreciate it.
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looked at the MI11 Ultra just can't find anywhere to buy one

vivo x70 pro and pro plus are S tier phones

Sammae7 said:
I've been trying to find a manufacturer to stick with after bouncing around a lot over the years. I was hoping that Google would be it with the new devices. Not quite sure on that. If I return this, I'm sticking with Samsung. I'm on Verizon, so most of the alternative devices (Xiaomi and the likes) are a no go.
My only issues with Samsung is they stick ads in everything and they have their separate store for updating some of their apps. They need to remove both of those.
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I was like you ,was always a HTC fan ......then they went off the boil over from, them to the essential phone ,which was awesome and massively under rated ,when they didn't survive I moved to the one plus 6t loved it and moved to the one plus 8 pro .....but they seem to be going away from op attraction now ,so now the pixel 6 pro
From a op only things I miss are warp charge alert slider ......unless your a i sheep or Samsunh fan boy then I think it's always going to be jumping to what's best at the time

I did love OnePlus, but they're utterly crappy camera (in the past) had me move away from them. I hear they've greatly improved that. At the end of the day, Samsung probably offers the best all around package with the least agitations for me, currently. They've made great strides in their UI, bloat, and ad invasiveness. They still have a long way to go, though.
I'll hold on to this P6P for a week or so and put it though the ringer. If it doesn't smooth out, I'll just use my 4A 5G until the new line of Samsung's roll out as I've already sold both my S21 and S21+ to family.

Sammae7 said:
Yes. They work much better there. It mostly has to do with GMA and CDMA frequencies. AT&T and T-Mobile use GMA while Sprint and Verizon heavily rely on CDMA, which I guess is slowly changing. Verizon also likes to heavily limit what devices they allow on their network.
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To be a little more clear, the issue comes down to frequencies rather than technology right now. With LTE, all U.S. carriers are using the same standard that the rest of the world uses. Same with 5G. Verizon and Sprint's (now T-Mobile's) CDMA networks will be shut down next year. While Verizon has some limitations on devices on their network, AT&T has actually become far more restrictive.
The real issue is the frequency bands that the carriers use for LTE and 5G. For example, T-Mobile has nationwide LTE and 5G coverage using band 71, but almost no other carriers in the world use it, which means that most phones sold in Europe and Asia won't work on one of T-Mobile's primary bands and T-Mobile customers may not get service without it. Verizon and AT&T just picked up a bunch of C-band spectrum that T-Mobile and much of the world aren't using for 5G. They also have mmWave 5G using bands that aren't widely used outside the U.S. right now as well. Though mmWave is only deployed in a small number of high-density urban areas.
One of the great things about the P6P is that the U.S. model has basically all of the frequencies used in the U.S. and most other countries, including mmWave.
In terms of phones, if you want compatibility with U.S. carriers (particularly T-Mobile on band 71), flagship specs, and the ability to unlock a bootloader and root, you have very few options right now. OnePlus and Google are the big ones, as Samsung locks their bootloaders for models with U.S. frequencies. Asus, Motorola, and Sony have a couple phones that will work as well. This site is a good resource for phones that work with T-Mobile (and often Verizon and AT&T too).

Wow, thank you. Way more informative than my post.

Furymaker said:
vivo x70 pro and pro plus are S tier phones
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For sure a good option but I wonder how compatible it is with Verizon or ATT. And I don't think there is a global version available.

Shipping update says I will get it today. Somehow I doubt that but will see. May not get the alternatives but we shall see.

LOL what a question to ask on the 6 Pro forums

Shipoftheline said:
LOL what a question to ask on the 6 Pro forums
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Why not? If it looked like it was getting delayed for weeks what can one do?

Pr20 said:
Why not? If it looked like it was getting delayed for weeks what can one do?
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Well if I have to explain it to you its like going into a car showroom and asking them what's the best alternative to their motors

Shipoftheline said:
Well if I have to explain it to you its like going into a car showroom and asking them what's the best alternative to their motors
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We can agree to disagree. There are no salespeople in this forum. And as you can see people have been more than happy to help.