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The reviews are a mixed bag so far. Here are some that are helpful. The comparison photos would give you some ideas of the capability.
DxOMark Rating 88 (same as S7 scores; but look at the individual scores). Full review now available - thanks @fernando sor)
HTC 10 photos by PRO photographers on grryo, part of power of 10 campaign
Tech Insider HTC 10 vs S7 Camera uh-oh, some issues with the 10
Android Headline Low Light Shootout: Galaxy S7 vs HTC 10 vs LG G5 vs Nexus 6p (thanks @ZooMas)
(direct link to photos from Android Headlines: flickr album with exif)
Engadget Taiwan HTC 10 vs S7 samples (thanks @One Twelve, post), HTC 10 Samples
Ars technica comparison photos from HTC 10, S7, Nexus 5X and iPhone 6S
SlashGear HTC 10 Camera Review and Samples
Techno Buffalo full resolution JPG samples
Android Central Initial HTC 10 Photo & Video Samples from this article
Android Authority First Impression album from this article
Engadget 25 sample photos
I would take these reviews with a grain of salt. For example, the ars technica impression of the photos is a bit misleading IMO. The best photo of a dark scene isn't necessarily the brightest and most colorful (the most faithful capture, not adding light or color that wasn't there, yet retaining details in the shadow, is the best for me -- in addition to noise control).
I asked HTC about the camera issues mentioned on the tech insider review such as this glare and this sharpness issues. The exposure control issues can be addressed with software later, but the glare issue may indicate that the physical lens is more glare prone (compared to the S7 in that photo). This Android Central's photo of an easy outdoor scene shows a lack of sharpness and micro contrast, which may be a combined result of the glare-prone lens and the sharpness issue identified by the tech insider review. That glare issue, however, is NOT a problem on this photo from SlashGear.
Anyway, those are a very small sampling of photos. Post your HTC 10 pics here when you have them so we can all see them!
Low light comparison between S7, 10, G5 and 6P I want to see some raw file comparisons between all of these
Definitely still issues with over exposure. Blowing up backgrounds with light. Had this issue since the M8
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The camera looks gorgeous compared to my M9....
If only the ''testers'' people who have the 10 can posts photos here it would be nice :good:
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Definitely still issues with over exposure. Blowing up backgrounds with light. Had this issue since the M8
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on the M8 it was using touch focus instead of auto focus
on the 10 its auto HDR messing up sometimes its on by default but cant be turned off
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we were begging HTC to reduce sharpness and processing for years so now when they finally did it we bash them?
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if i am not mistake sharpness and contrast can be controlled in settings > cam options
i would take the image on top any day, it's more natural and real
but it clearly needs a slight +0.5 sharpness +0.5 contrast
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The reviews are a mixed bag so far. Here are some that are helpful. The comparison photos would give you some ideas of the capability.
DxOMark Rating 88 (same as S7; but look at the individual scores. No photos from the 10 shown yet)
HTC 10 photos by PRO photographers on grryo, part of power of 10 campaign
Tech Insider HTC 10 vs S7 Camera uh-oh, some issues with the 10
Android Headline Low Light Shootout: Galaxy S7 vs HTC 10 vs LG G5 vs Nexus 6p (thanks Zoomas)
(direct link to photos from Android Headlines: flickr album with exif)
Ars technica comparison photos from HTC 10, S7, Nexus 5X and iPhone 6S
SlashGear HTC 10 Camera Review and Samples
Techno Buffalo full resolution JPG samples
Android Central Initial HTC 10 Photo & Video Samples from this article
Engadget 25 sample photos
I would take these reviews with a grain of salt. For example, the ars technica impression of the photos is a bit misleading IMO. The best photo of a dark scene isn't necessarily the brightest and most colorful (the most faithful capture, not adding light or color that wasn't there, yet retaining details in the shadow, is the best for me -- in addition to noise control).
I asked HTC about the camera issues mentioned on the tech insider review such as this glare and this sharpness issues. The exposure control issues can be addressed with software later, but the glare issue may indicate that the physical lens is more glare prone (compared to the S7 in that photo). This Android Central's photo of an easy outdoor scene shows a lack of sharpness and micro contrast, which may be a combined result of the glare-prone lens and the sharpness issue identified by the tech insider review. That glare issue, however, is NOT a problem on this photo from SlashGear.
Anyway, those are a very small sampling of photos. Post your HTC 10 pics here when you have them so we can all see them!
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dxomark has the full review up
hamdir said:
we were begging HTC to reduce sharpness and processing for years so now when they finally did it we bash them?
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I don't see anyone on this thread bashing them (the "we" in your question). Reviewers can say what they want, many warranted, many are off-target. But it's a discussion forum, so it's fine to have a discussion about image qualities without being accused of complaining or whining or bashing. The NYC wall lacks sharpness - it is what it is. It could be that reviewer got a bad unit, or it could be other things.
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dxomark has the full review up
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Thanks. Those pics help put the scores in perspective. For example, the cons include "Visible loss of sharpness in the corners compared to the center" BUT they compared the center sharpness of an object that is far out vs the corner sharpness of an object that is near the photographer - NOT on the same plane and, based on the scene distance, most likely not even within the circle of confusion. Why they did that really baffles me!
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Thanks. Those pics help put the scores in perspective. For example, the cons include "Visible loss of sharpness in the corners compared to the center" BUT they compared the center sharpness of an object that is far out vs the corner sharpness of an object that is near the photographer - NOT on the same plane and, based on the scene distance, most likely not even within the circle of confusion. Why they did that really baffles me!
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I feel it's warranted to do that, the hyperfocal distance on phone cameras is usually tiny, everything past couple of meters ends up being in infinity zone anyway.
Things to keep in mind auto HDR is on by default which could cause all sorts of issues if you are unaware it's happening (like blurs)
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I feel it's warranted to do that, the hyperfocal distance on phone cameras is usually tiny, everything past couple of meters ends up being in infinity zone anyway.
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I know what you mean, except that corner tree that they chose looks much closer to the photographer. Again, if they 're going to do that kind of analysis, then they'd better choose a more suitable scene or do it in a controlled manner. I just don't think that scene is valid choice for a lens center to corner sharpness comparison. Anyway, DxOMark is just one source of sample images and I can now interpret their scoring better for my purpose.
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I know what you mean, except that corner tree that they chose looks much closer to the photographer. Again, if they 're going to do that kind of analysis, then they'd better choose a more suitable scene or do it in a controlled manner. I just don't think that scene is valid choice for a lens center to corner sharpness comparison. Anyway, DxOMark is just one source of sample images and I can now interpret their scoring better for my purpose.
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I concur, honestly now that most phones can do RAW, they shouldbe comparing that instead of the proccesed jpg, they don't compare the jpg's for their camera tests
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I asked HTC about the camera issues mentioned on the tech insider review such as this glare and this sharpness issues. The exposure control issues can be addressed with software later, but the glare issue may indicate that the physical lens is more glare prone (compared to the S7 in that photo). This Android Central's photo of an easy outdoor scene shows a lack of sharpness and micro contrast, which may be a combined result of the glare-prone lens and the sharpness issue identified by the tech insider review. That glare issue, however, is NOT a problem on this photo from SlashGear.
Anyway, those are a very small sampling of photos. Post your HTC 10 pics here when you have them so we can all see them!
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I wouldnt take it too seriously about the glare, 2 things when doing stuff like this you have to do a like for like in comparison. Getting too close so the fruit was at a different focal range yes it will have different lighting and not focus the same and the sun behind the tree in one shot and passed in the other? Like WTF? Or course the lighting would show a glare funny thing is go on the S7/edge and its been mentioned numerous times they are suffering too with the same damn problem!
The comparison wasnt credible in my opinion?
HTC dropped the ball with the camera setup they should have put this lense on a duo lense setup like the M8 it would be a beast! I loved my M8 contributed quite a lot on the forums here with photos from it but my biggest gripe was why 4MP? It was commonly accepted that what the M8 needed to be on top was a larger lense to actually harvest more details in the light being captured.
Frustrating as hell! I just wish they had brought back that Duo lense we would see something that would have sunk the competition hard and fast in performance.
I am using the 10 camera app on my A9 thanks to Leedroid, in Auto you can disable HDR, control exposure but not sharpness unless there is a hidden menu
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I am using the 10 camera app on my A9 thanks to Leedroid, in Auto you can disable HDR, control exposure but not sharpness unless there is a hidden menu
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I don't think there's a sharpness menu option. The A9 began the trend of removing the sharpness with the results being images being a bit too flat (nothing wrong with that especially compared to the oversharp gs7/gs6)
However, I think HTC struck a decent balance with the 10. The issues of camera is something I've even seen on my rx1rii so it's not something that can be easily solved
Any low light comparisons with the Huawei P9?
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Things to keep in mind auto HDR is on by default which could cause all sorts of issues if you are unaware it's happening (like blurs)
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Yeah, this could explain the eye brow raising shots i found on the verge. Now if there was a simple way to identify when hdr is on or not in the exifs, it will become easier. Will spare from the 'not impressed' posts.
Not how a camera, according to dxo, that is as sharp as the nexus and has as good artifacts handling as the 808 should behave.
In the meantime i went digging for better samples and engadget taiwan has done a much better job than engadget headoffice.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsky4WQQP
and a comparison with the S7
https://flic.kr/s/aHsky8MB4Q
Exifs, full rez the lot.
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hamdir said:
on the M8 it was using touch focus instead of auto focus
on the 10 its auto HDR messing up sometimes its on by default but cant be turned off
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HDR can be turned off. See 2:30 here
we were begging HTC to reduce sharpness and processing for years so now when they finally did it we bash them?
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here is something more subtle. First is s7, second is the 10
s7e2 by bittie kwan, on Flickr
m10b by bittie kwan, on Flickr
htc10vs7e by bittie kwan, on Flickr
It surprises me how high the ISO's have to be on the 10 for the bottle top. The F stop difference is 1/6.Shutter speed difference is negligible. But ISO wise its almost 2.5stops (!)
Clearly these companies are doing iso curves quite differently.The 10 isn't using any image averaging like HDR+.
I would really like to see some people pull some comparison photos from the S7 in auto, then take to raw/pro mode with the HTC 10 and set it up to match the auto settings that the S7 is doing and see if the pictures then are comparable. It would be the best way to see sensor vs. processing, I would think? Also I know very little about imaging, so I also could be completely wrong. Also I would like to just see shots set up in conditions to the same ISO, shutter speed, etc and see then what kind of differences we're looking at.
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It surprises me how high the ISO's have to be on the 10 for the bottle top. The F stop difference is 1/6.Shutter speed difference is negligible. But ISO wise its almost 2.5stops (!)
Clearly these companies are doing iso curves quite differently.The 10 isn't using any image averaging like HDR+.
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Thanks for the links - they've been added to the first post.
The curtain scene is another telltale about the metering algorithm and exposure. All else equal, the S7 was ISO 200 and the 10 was ISO 500, 1.3 more stop, which ends up lighting up the dark side of the curtain but also clipping the highlights sooner without revealing additional details in the shadow. The same goes with the horse statue scene (ISO 200 vs ISO 320). It seems in dark scenes with strong highlights, the 10 exposure shifts toward higher ISO to light up the shadows, while the S7 is happy in keeping the shadows dark; some of us grow up doing minus exposure compensation in that kind of scene to keep the shadow black instead of gray, and that seems to be what S7 is doing while the 10 wants to make it gray.
The outdoor samples from the 10 are pretty good IMO. They're not overexposed and soft like the NYC samples.
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Initial tests aren't looking terrible but aren't great either.
No mention of reflectivity that I've seen yet. This is the other important factor we need to look for.
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http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Google-Pixel-XL-Review_id4264
Brightness, however, is more middle-of-the-road, and more than once we found ourselves wishing we could crank the display up brighter while out in early afternoon sunlight – the Pixel XL is still visible enough, but a slightly brighter screen would sure help with usability.
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/3131...googles-new-phone-isnt-a-nexusits-better.html
The quad HD Super AMOLED display on the Pixel XL is gorgeous. Google claims its wide color gamut covers 91 percent of the Adobe RGB color range, and you can really see the richness of colors. It’s bright and easy to see outdoors, though it doesn’t get quite as crazy-bright in direct sunlight as the Galaxy S7 or S7 Edge.
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http://www.tomsguide.com/us/google-pixel-pixel-xl,review-3962.html
We recorded the Pixel XL's max brightness at 393 nits, which is a good deal less than the Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge (530 nits), though still better than some other Android flagships including the HTC 10 (371 nits) and LG G5 (354 nits).
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http://www.techspot.com/review/1265-google-pixel-xl/page2.html
Maximum brightness when displaying an all-white image is usually an issue with AMOLED panels, and that’s no exception on the Pixel XL. Brightness is below 400 nits here, and there is no sunlight brightness mode that gives this a boost above 500 nits, which is something Samsung provides on their AMOLED-laden Galaxy S7 series. Viewing in strong outdoor lighting is still possible, as AMOLED brightness isn’t directly tied to full-white brightness, but it’s not as good as top-end LCDs or the best AMOLEDs I’ve tested.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/google-pixel
The Pixels' screens are a big step beyond the previous generation, coming close to matching the quality of Samsung's latest phones. Even under the bright sunlight of southern China, I had no problem using the Pixel XL outdoors. (And the display looked fantastic in the comparatively gloomy UK.) The smaller Pixel's screen is equally bright, though it doesn't quite match that of the Galaxy S7 in subjective outdoor tests.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/10/18/google-pixel-review-a-very-good-phone-by-google/
The Pixel XL's 5.5" Quad HD Super AMOLED display is excellent. It offers adequate brightness outdoors, the superb viewing angles we've come to expect of AMOLED displays, and vivid contrast. Google also hasn't tuned the display to rigid color accuracy, instead seeming to end up somewhere between the typical oversaturation of, say, Samsung, and the highly-calibrated iPhone. Comparing to a Galaxy S7 edge in the "basic" mode, which is exceptionally accurate, the Pixel XL clearly provides more saturation of colors to give them the "pop" factor that most other OEMs using AMOLED displays do.
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http://www.greenbot.com/article/313...googles-new-phone-isnt-a-nexusits-better.html
The quad HD Super AMOLED display on the Pixel XL is gorgeous. Google claims its wide color gamut covers 91 percent of the Adobe RGB color range, and you can really see the richness of colors. It’s bright and easy to see outdoors, though it doesn’t get quite as crazy-bright in direct sunlight as the Galaxy S7 or S7 Edge.
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http://venturebeat.com/2016/10/18/google-pixel-xl-review-the-best-android-phone-money-can-buy/
On the flip side, the 5.5-inch QHD AMOLED display on the Pixel XL is gorgeous and oh-so-bright. It does well under sunlight, and there’s really nothing to complain about here. At no time of day do you notice any pixels on the screen.
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http://www.chipchick.com/2016/10/pixel-xl-review.html
The Pixel XL’s 5.5-inch Quad HD AMOLED screen (with a VR-ready 2560 x 1440 pixels) is absolutely gorgeous. Colors pop without being oversaturated, blacks are darker than Darth Vader’s soul, viewing angles are delicious, and it’s bright enough to read in direct sunlight. What else do you want from a flagship phone these days?
Read more at http://www.chipchick.com/2016/10/pixel-xl-review.html#1gvuoKtkmb25VmdZ.99
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https://www.whistleout.com.au/MobilePhones/Reviews/google-pixel-xl-review
Last but not least, Pixel XL nails the smartphone cornerstones of screen quality and battery life. Google's kitted out the Pixel XL with a Quad HD 5.5-inch that's bright, vibrant, and still easy enough to use in direct sunlight.
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https://9to5google.com/2016/10/18/g...erfect-but-still-one-of-the-best-phones-ever/
While the Pixel doesn’t have the best screens on a smartphone, they’re adequate or better than adequate. And I think you may find this to be a theme throughout this review. In many aspects, the Pixel is “safe” in terms of hardware. Like many phones, it’s not the best in direct sunlight, but this phone gets brighter than the Moto Z for example. It’s more than enough to get the job done, though. I was happy with the colors and vibrance of the display when watching videos and playing games.
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Looks like it is AMOLED, so the screen brightness mod should work on it.
That's a good start.
Looking for that info as well. "Can I see the screen on a sunny day with sunglasses" is my gold standard. Most Sammy's are good with that, but would love a google phone again.
I would love a Samsung phone again.
But there is no AOSP/CM love for even the international bootloader unlocked Samsung.
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I would love a Samsung phone again.
But there is no AOSP/CM love for even the international bootloader unlocked Samsung.
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Well for the international bootloader unlocked Samsung devices they use samsungs exynos processors and Samsung will not release source code for there processors so developers cant create kernels needed for AOSP/CM Roms! So don't say there is no love for AOSP/CM on Samsung devices! :highfive:
It has the same panel as the Note 7, but we don't know if it gets as bright as the Note 7. A guy over at reddit says its readable in direct sunlight.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/5789l8/telstra_australia_has_sent_out_the_pixel/d8py67t
I sure hope it is , thats my biggest issue with the 6P .... but wont really know until i have it in hand
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It has the same panel as the Note 7, but we don't know if it gets as bright as the Note 7. A guy over at reddit says its readable in direct sunlight.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/5789l8/telstra_australia_has_sent_out_the_pixel/d8py67t
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Who said it has the same panel of Note 7? Do you have a reliable source?
Yeah, I'm sure it's a Samsung panel like all the other phones with AMOLED.
But I kind of doubt it's a Note 7 specific panel.
And even if it is, it won't have the Samsung "Automatic High Brightness" feature that kicks up brightness to eye frying levels, since that is a firmware/software feature.
But there is an app on the Play Store which does something simliar to the Samsung High Brightness thing. Only works on some AMOLED displays:
High Brightness Mode Widget
I've never tried it but will do so if I ever get a Pixel (still debating due to the huge bezel size).
I would say it could be similar to the note 7 panel but def not the same one since the note 7 was 5.7 and the pixel xl is 5.5
doh, good point. hahah
I compared note 7 photo at max brightness with my 6p on high brightness mode with the same photo and the note 7 was still a tad bit brighter.
Nevertheless.... High brightness mode does come in handy on occasion when out in the sun
To my eyes, the 6P at 100% manual brightness was about 80-85% of manual brightness on the Note7; however, the 6P with the kernel driven high brightness enabled was in fact brighter than the Note7 at 100% manual brightness. But the Note7 punches right back with the "video enhancement" option enabled and when in gallery apps, or when its high auto brightness mode kicks in which would make it yet again brighter than the 6P.
The 6P can be manually forced (via kernel) at any time to be brighter than the Note7. The Note7 can only get brighter in video applications, or when driven by the auto brightness in high ambient light conditions or in sunlight.
Where the Note7 also really pulls ahead though, is outdoor visibility specifically due to its lack of reflection from the quality of the display glass itself... puts it into a class of its own which is where this difference becomes extremely noticeable out in the sun.
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Yeah, I'm sure it's a Samsung panel like all the other phones with AMOLED.
But I kind of doubt it's a Note 7 specific panel.
And even if it is, it won't have the Samsung "Automatic High Brightness" feature that kicks up brightness to eye frying levels, since that is a firmware/software feature.
But there is an app on the Play Store which does something simliar to the Samsung High Brightness thing. Only works on some AMOLED displays:
High Brightness Mode Widget
I've never tried it but will do so if I ever get a Pixel (still debating due to the huge bezel size).
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It's the exact model number (S6E3HA3) as the Note 7 display.
https://plus.google.com/+NathanBenis/posts/F1PfnXEwAK4
From anandtech's Note 7 review: "The panel identifies itself as S6E3HA5_AMB567MK01"
I honestly don't understand why people are so skeptical around here.
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It's the exact model number (S6E3HA3) as the Note 7 display.
https://plus.google.com/+NathanBenis/posts/F1PfnXEwAK4
From anandtech's Note 7 review: "The panel identifies itself as S6E3HA5_AMB567MK01"
I honestly don't understand why people are so skeptical around here.
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5.5" display vs. 5.7" display.
And your part #'s are different in your post.
S6E3HA3 vs. S6E3HA5
Just because model #'s are "similar" does not mean the product is the same or even overly similar.
Spend some time at www.panelook.com/ looking at LCD panels and you'll find tremendous technological differences between LCD panels in the same product/model family with similar part numbers.
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5.5" display vs. 5.7" display.
And your part #'s are different in your post.
S6E3HA3 vs. S6E3HA5
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Panels can be produced at different sizes. The galaxy s7 and s7 edge use the exact same panel at a different size.
It's cool, Man.
I don't need to win the discussion.
Carry on.
Is there a high brightness app I can use that does not require root?
The Pixel XL will be my work phone and it the app they use to manage the device actively checks to make sure the phone isn't rooted.
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It's the exact model number (S6E3HA3) as the Note 7 display.
https://plus.google.com/+NathanBenis/posts/F1PfnXEwAK4
From anandtech's Note 7 review: "The panel identifies itself as S6E3HA5_AMB567MK01"
I honestly don't understand why people are so skeptical around here.
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5.5" display vs. 5.7" display.
And your part #'s are different in your post.
S6E3HA3 vs. S6E3HA5
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CZ Eddie said:
Just because model #'s are "similar" does not mean the product is the same or even overly similar.
Spend some time at www.panelook.com/ looking at LCD panels and you'll find tremendous technological differences between LCD panels in the same product/model family with similar part numbers.
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Panels can be produced at different sizes. The galaxy s7 and s7 edge use the exact same panel at a different size.
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It's cool, Man.
I don't need to win the discussion.
Carry on.
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Just to get back on this. The panel is actually the exact panel used in the Galaxy S7 Edge. Confirmed by Anandtech.
The S6E3HA3 panel is the one used in the Galaxy S7 Edge. Note 7 uses the S6E3HA5.
Hi all,
I've a new Nexus 5x but am having an odd issue with the camera. [I also got this camera for a family member and their unit from a separate supplier has the same issue]
I wanted to test out the hdr/+/auto function so took two pictures within seconds against a car of a scene. On the computer I cannot remember which was which (hdr on or off or auto) but which the photo focused and nothing seemed to change the quality of the first image is much worse:
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The second 5x I've check out also has these smeary photos dotted through the camera album - as though the camera opened it and went to render the fine detail but didn't.
This isn't camera shake (shutter speed high) nor a mis-focus, it's ike being back on my old Samsung occasionally!
Has anyone else experienced this or know what could be wrong?
I've never seen HDR+ whether auto or manually set to on make a photo blurry like the one on the left. You sure it wasn't an accidental "lens blur" photo taken? Although it looks like nothing is even focused at all with that left pic.
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Definitely no lens blur applied. It's not not focussed, everything in find pic is mushy and focus was on wall/fence join. I've seen this on other pics from another 5x and cannot work out why.
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Definitely no lens blur applied. It's not not focussed, everything in find pic is mushy and focus was on wall/fence join. I've seen this on other pics from another 5x and cannot work out why.
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Now was the preview in the camera app actually in focus when taken and you're saying it's being saved out of focus?
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It focussed yep and both acreen previews looked the same while taking the pics. It's not just oit of focus as I know what that looks like and I'm getting it testing it occasionally, same with anothers unit in every day use
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It focussed yep and both acreen previews looked the same while taking the pics. It's not just oit of focus as I know what that looks like and I'm getting it testing it occasionally, same with anothers unit in every day use
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Very interesting. I take photos pretty often and never had resulting out of focus when the preview was in focus.
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Hand shake maybe? Just looks out of focus or shakey to me. BTW I've not had any issues with the camera, I would suggest setting HDR+ on unless the subject is a moving target and then to use HDR+ off. Auto never seemed to work properly though that might have changed in the most recently released Camera update.
Also don't forget you can tap to focus to get the best shots, then just try and keep you hand as still as possible while HDR+ takes its multiple exposure shots and stitches them together.
Both taken around 1/1600 of a second held against something sturdy. It's *not* camera shake. I know how hdr/+ works, and I've occasionally had this my with slr shooting at 1/4000/sec. It's across two devices and I cannot understand why.
Also, if anyone knows how to tell via metadata etc which hdr on/off/auto setting was used I'd love to know!
I've attached a pic straight from cam.
Exif looks fine, it focused seeminly ok, but basically looks crappy at 100%. Am I expecting too much? Look at the trees in the distance/gravel/path, it's all pretty poor imo.
Program name is bullhead user - is that correct?
Running 7.1.1. using Google camera all on auto.
Any help would be so gratefully received!
Full size image at: https://postimg.org/image/otugcb3ub/
Ok, I think I've worked it out.
After testing three 5X's it seem to be that HDR+ Auto produces these crappy pics. It's like it's been over compressed, shrunk then stretched, over sharpened, and artefacts are abundant.
HDR On is fine. So, either Google Camera Auto hdr sucks or three cameras are crappy.
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Ok, I think I've worked it out.
After testing three 5X's it seem to be that HDR+ Auto produces these crappy pics. It's like it's been over compressed, shrunk then stretched, over sharpened, and artefacts are abundant.
HDR On is fine. So, either Google Camera Auto hdr sucks or three cameras are crappy.
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I always shoot HDR+ on just because it's more pleasing to the eye and for this comparison as well:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=70109469
I've never taken enough HDR+ auto pics to see what you have though.
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Yeah its definitely The HDR Auto thats making the quality worse, heres the comparision and i am using the Camera NX aswell which is pixel camera basically, u can see the quality is bad on Auto by looking at the tree branches or the ground which is more blurry on auto.
HDR+ On
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Yeah there was a Reddit thread too about the difference when the Pixel came out:
https://amp.reddit.com/r/GooglePixe...aware_hdr_auto_hdr_on_are_two_very_different/
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Yeah there was a Reddit thread too about the difference when the Pixel came out:
https://amp.reddit.com/r/GooglePixe...aware_hdr_auto_hdr_on_are_two_very_different/
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That post states that the HDR+ Auto doesn't have quite the dynamic range, but produces less noise. Then it says that HDR+ On has really good dynamic range, but has a lot of noise in low-light situations.
The rest of this thread is operating on a different premise, that HDR+ Auto produces blurry details, which is present in that reddit post, but not the main point. Take a look at Pic 3-1 (HDR+ Auto) and Pic 3-2 (HDR+ On). The most obvious thing is the sun/clouds are significantly better in the HDR+ On, but look at the detail in the sidewalk as well. HDR+ Auto is kinda fuzzy/blurry on the details.
Weirdly enough, HDR+ Auto producing blurry details and HDR+ On having low light detail are actually the same thing.
Quote from TheVerge (emphasis added):
The traditional way to produce an HDR image is to bracket: you take the same image multiple times while exposing different parts of the scene, which lets you merge the shots together to create a final photograph where nothing is too blown-out or noisy. Google's method is very different — HDR+ also takes multiple images at once, but they're all underexposed. This preserves highlights, but what about the noise in the shadows? Just leave it to math.
"Mathematically speaking, take a picture of a shadowed area — it's got the right color, it's just very noisy because not many photons landed in those pixels," says Levoy. "But the way the mathematics works, if I take nine shots, the noise will go down by a factor of three — by the square root of the number of shots that I take. And so just taking more shots will make that shot look fine. Maybe it's still dark, maybe I want to boost it with tone mapping, but it won't be noisy." Why take this approach? It makes it easier to align the shots without leaving artifacts of the merge, according to Levoy. "One of the design principles we wanted to adhere to was no. ghosts. ever." he says, pausing between each word for emphasis. "Every shot looks the same except for object motion. Nothing is blown out in one shot and not in the other, nothing is noisier in one shot and not in the other. That makes alignment really robust."
Google also claims that, counterintuitively, underexposing each HDR shot actually frees the camera up to produce better low-light results. "Because we can denoise very well by taking multiple images and aligning them, we can afford to keep the colors saturated in low light," says Levoy. "Most other manufacturers don't trust their colors in low light, and so they desaturate, and you'll see that very clearly on a lot of phones — the colors will be muted in low light, and our colors will not be as muted." But the aim isn't to get rid of noise entirely at the expense of detail; Levoy says "we like preserving texture, and we're willing to accept a little bit of noise in order to preserve texture."
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Google's HDR+ Auto isn't true HDR; it's taking multiple underexposed images and blending them all together, intentionally blurring them together to reduce noise. This method is also gonna make any texture that's naturally irregular and blur it together. It's also not going to respond well to small detail shots when there's any amount of movement in the shots. This is why the rock wall in the OP, the tree branches and asphalt in LeftIron's pics right above me, and the sidewalk in that Reddit post are always gonna be blurry. It's Google's algorithm to try to reduce noise in low-light photos, which seeing as they're "HDR"-ing multiple underexposed photos, is always gonna be the case.
It's my impression that tone-mapping deals with these very differently, so this is why this isn't an issue in the HDR+ On photos.
TL;DR Use "HDR+ Auto" for low-light situations, and "HDR+ On" for everything else.
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TL;DR Use "HDR+ Auto" for low-light situations, and "HDR+ On" for everything else.
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This (fullsize here) is what I'm talking about. As labelled, left is HDR+ Auto, right is HDR+ On.
Aside from the On looking slightly less sharp - fine - the Auto's quality is simply terrible. The grass, the tree thing, all the detail is smudged away and way over processed, with garish edges and artifacting almost as a standard. It looks painterly, like a bad PS filter. [Focus was on branches in sky in full pic hence focus great on grass on either pic]
Anyone else got a comparison between auto and on they could share? I can't believe it's just the three I've tried it on but perhaps it is.
Leson: HDR+ On > HDR+ Auto in image quality by far.
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This (fullsize here) is what I'm talking about. As labelled, left is HDR+ Auto, right is HDR+ On.
Aside from the On looking slightly less sharp - fine - the Auto's quality is simply terrible. The grass, the tree thing, all the detail is smudged away and way over processed, with garish edges and artifacting almost as a standard. It looks painterly, like a bad PS filter. [Focus was on branches in sky in full pic hence focus great on grass on either pic]
Anyone else got a comparison between auto and on they could share? I can't believe it's just the three I've tried it on but perhaps it is.
Leson: HDR+ On > HDR+ Auto in image quality by far.
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That's a great example of what I was talking about. HDR+ Auto takes multiple photos and just blurs them together, making a lot of smudge and fuzz. The HDR+ On is an actual HDR, so it's going to have better quality almost unilaterally.
I say almost, because there seems to be one exception: low-light situations, which your photos weren't. If it were night time or something, the HDR+ On would probably have a lot of noise, while the HDR+ Auto would blur out the noise at the cost of detail. Hense, why I made my recommendation earlier.
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That's a great example of what I was talking about. HDR+ Auto takes multiple photos and just blurs them together, making a lot of smudge and fuzz. The HDR+ On is an actual HDR, so it's going to have better quality almost unilaterally.
I say almost, because there seems to be one exception: low-light situations, which your photos weren't. If it were night time or something, the HDR+ On would probably have a lot of noise, while the HDR+ Auto would blur out the noise at the cost of detail. Hense, why I made my recommendation earlier.
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Great, thanks. I've yet to test low light hdr auto v on but if you're right I'll go with that. I'm surprised Auto is so cruddy, but then I've been looking at 6P/Pixel/Iphone 7 comparisons here https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/5dlm0l/google_pixel_low_light_photography_nexus_6p_and/ and the 7 does surprisingly badly. Sometimes the 6p is better, others Pixel does. Great cam either way!
Here is an album with photos shot is FULL AUTO mode. No tweaking settings, focusing or anything. Just letting the camera shoot a photo from the same spot. I know this is not great for the pros out there but it is the way most of us shoot pics. Anyway, I did not take a ton of photos but here are the ones I did take. With the LG i did not do "portrait mode" but did include shots from both the regular and wide angle lenses in the comparison.
I was overall impressed by all cameras. Just click "info" icon at top right to see photo details which list the camera model.
For me results were
Color - iPhone X - yes, oversaturated like Samsung, but I like that.
Detail - Pixel 2 - even though colors did not pop as much the detail in textures and such were better in most of the photos for me
low light - Pixel 2 - just grabbed better detail in the photos (The one with the helicopter was VERY low light, just a crack in the door letting a little light in)
Anyway, I know everyone has different opinions so thought I'd put an album up so people could see and compare the original untouched photos.
I give the win to Pixel 2 because I can always fix colors and make the photo more vibrant. I can't add detail.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=ZUlCXzFZZm05WXpKbzNNd0JDdU95SElRNzZEM0pn
Link doesn't work for me. Maybe you have to give permission? Or maybe you're fixing something?
404. That’s an error.
The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.
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I have watched at least a dozen youtube videos on this very subject this morning and they were pretty consistent in their findings. Google and its software ( HDR+ ) is the "high dynamic range" king. Long live the king. And this lead in this respect, over the competitors will get a very large boost when Orea 8.1 turns "on" that mystery, extra ( full soc inside the pixel ) dedicated to video processing. I'm guessing the number crunching will go down from a second to a small fraction of a second. Now LG and its hardware ( f1.6 and glass lens ) is the king of pulling detail. Go figure. The bottom line is that google cannot improve its hardware. That's fixed and static. But new LG software ( or software from other sources ) can very much improve the V30's ability to make a "auto" shot . . . Most all comparison videos did NOT put the 1K wonder at the top of anything.
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And what do the serious photography nuts have to say ?
yeah, forgot to turn on sharing. Fixed now.
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I have watched at least a dozen youtube videos on this very subject this morning and they were pretty consistent in their findings. Google and its software ( HDR+ ) is the "high dynamic range" king. Long live the king. And this lead in this respect, over the competitors will get a very large boost when Orea 8.1 turns "on" that mystery, extra ( full soc inside the pixel ) dedicated to video processing. I'm guessing the number crunching will go down from a second to a small fraction of a second. Now LG and its hardware ( f1.6 and glass lens ) is the king of pulling detail. Go figure. The bottom line is that google cannot improve its hardware. That's fixed and static. But new LG software ( or software from other sources ) can very much improve the V30's ability to make a "auto" shot . . . Most all videos did NOT put the 1K wonder at the top of anything.
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I agree with you, but the problem is the track record of LG is not that of fixing it to become the best it could be. The best hardware can suck without the proper software or a company that wants to put it as a priority to make it the best it can be. In most of the shots I took the LG had the least amount of detail (except in one low light shot where it was 2nd to Pixel in detail, look at top of soap dispensor). Now of course this is in full auto mode. I'm guessing that with manual mode the outcome might be different. However, I don't have time to mess with manual mode for 99% of my photos.
I wish LG could get the camera to be on par in auto mode with the Pixel or X because I love the phone so much. The camera and frequency of updates are the only real things lacking (for me) to make it a near perfect phone.
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I edited and pasted it again. should work.
I need more examples..... Would you mind a few dozen more of the beauty in pink?
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I need more examples..... Would you mind a few dozen more of the beauty in pink?
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lol, I'll get right on that.
wish there was a watermark stating which photo was from which camera.
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Looks like the Detroit Borg house...
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Looks like the Detroit Borg house...
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not even sure what that is. But whatever, was not about subject but quality. LOL
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wish there was a watermark stating which photo was from which camera.
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no need. in photos website on PC (which is how you should look at this to really tell quality) you can have it open all the time on the right hand side by clicking info icon and see which photos were taken with which phone. Why waste so much time watermarking and then if you want to be totally unbiased and pick best one before you know just close info box.
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low light - Pixel 2 - just grabbed better detail in the photos (The one with the helicopter was VERY low light, just a crack in the door letting a little light in)
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Bull****. Why do you do that, mate? Why do you so hate V30? Look at the picture of cat, V30 photo has tons more details than blurry smudgy stuff from P2XL. And helicopter is not relevant @ all, have you looked on what camera was it taken? Oh, yeah you took it on wide angle camera with F/1.9 but telling us that Pixel 2 XL captures more details in the dark, how funny.
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Bull****. Why do you do that, mate? Why do you so hate V30? Look at the picture of cat, V30 photo has tons more details than blurry smudgy stuff from P2XL. And helicopter is not relevant @ all, have you looked on what camera was it taken? Oh, yeah you took it on wide angle camera with F/1.9 but telling us that Pixel 2 XL captures more details in the dark, how funny.
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Nice catch. I didn't see that.
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Bull****. Why do you do that, mate? Why do you so hate V30? Look at the picture of cat, V30 photo has tons more details than blurry smudgy stuff from P2XL. And helicopter is not relevant @ all, have you looked on what camera was it taken? Oh, yeah you took it on wide angle camera with F/1.9 but telling us that Pixel 2 XL captures more details in the dark, how funny.
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You are all bent out of shape for nothing. No bias here. I actually use the v30 as my daily phone. Pixel 2 XL sitting on my desk with no sim card in it because I like it more. (I use the Pixel on weekends when I'll be using the camera more). I took both wide angle and normal lens with each photo.(tried to). Now the cat did move in one shot causing blur which is normal and understandable at that shutter speed. I did not notice it until I was done and it was too late to reshoot. The helicopter was an oversight. I must've missed taking with regular lens.
I'm not saying the V30 is bad. All 3 are good. I want the V30 to be as good as the Pixel, I REALLY DO! Because this phone feels awesome in my hand compared to the Pixel and has better features. I'm just telling you from the experience of using both that the Pixel is a better camera and MUCH FASTER shutter. V30 can have shutter lag at times. It did capture more detail in some photos than iPhone as well. So it would be a close tie for second with iPhone. The X and Pixel were just faster snapping (no shutter lag) the photos on a whole. Noticeably.
I'm hoping the Oreo update will improve a few things on the V30 making it my perfect phone. Fingers crossed.
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Bull****. Why do you do that, mate? Why do you so hate V30? Look at the picture of cat, V30 photo has tons more details than blurry smudgy stuff from P2XL. And helicopter is not relevant @ all, have you looked on what camera was it taken? Oh, yeah you took it on wide angle camera with F/1.9 but telling us that Pixel 2 XL captures more details in the dark, how funny.
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For more evidence check out this album as well. I'm sorry but the V30 is not on par with Pixel camera, especially in low light. Speaking in auto mode...not manual. Might get more even then but I rarely have time to manually adjust a scene.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=eldxSWxuRlF5b2ZvN09hVFZHVDQ3Q3VUU2RxZUxR
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You are all bent out of shape for nothing. No bias here. I actually use the v30 as my daily phone. Pixel 2 XL sitting on my desk with no sim card in it because I like it more. (I use the Pixel on weekends when I'll be using the camera more). I took both wide angle and normal lens with each photo.(tried to). Now the cat did move in one shot causing blur which is normal and understandable at that shutter speed. I did not notice it until I was done and it was too late to reshoot. The helicopter was an oversight. I must've missed taking with regular lens.
I'm not saying the V30 is bad. All 3 are good. I want the V30 to be as good as the Pixel, I REALLY DO! Because this phone feels awesome in my hand compared to the Pixel and has better features. I'm just telling you from the experience of using both that the Pixel is a better camera and MUCH FASTER shutter. V30 can have shutter lag at times. It did capture more detail in some photos than iPhone as well. So it would be a close tie for second with iPhone. The X and Pixel were just faster snapping (no shutter lag) the photos on a whole. Noticeably.
I'm hoping the Oreo update will improve a few things on the V30 making it my perfect phone. Fingers crossed.
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For more evidence check out this album as well. I'm sorry but the V30 is not on par with Pixel camera, especially in low light. Speaking in auto mode...not manual. Might get more even then but I rarely have time to manually adjust a scene.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=eldxSWxuRlF5b2ZvN09hVFZHVDQ3Q3VUU2RxZUxR
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Shutter lag is probably my biggest gripe with this camera. One thing I've noticed with the Pixel is that in dark images, there tends to be a lot more noise (such as in the picture of your round plant) than the V30. I see this also when using the camera port. The GCam will give me very noisy images in low light.
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I'm not saying the V30 is bad. All 3 are good. I want the V30 to be as good as the Pixel, I REALLY DO!
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But it is! People may think that V30 is bad based on the heli photo that's why I corrected and clarified that.
And, about shutter lag, do you use HDR in auto setting in V30 photo settings? It's well known for LG G4, V20, G6, V30 line up that when HDR is auto or ON and indoors scene it'll cause shutter to lag. Turn HDR off, that's all. It would provide even for better low light pix as well
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MUCH FASTER shutter. V30 can have shutter lag at times. It did capture more detail in some photos than iPhone as well. So it would be a close tie for second with iPhone. The X and Pixel were just faster snapping (no shutter lag) the photos on a whole. Noticeably.
I'm hoping the Oreo update will improve a few things on the V30 making it my perfect phone. Fingers crossed.
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Oreo has nothing to do with shutter lag, it's hardware based so no updates will never improve shutter speed of V30. If shutter lag a top priority issue you may just return V30 to LG and forget it. It's video phone mostly, not point-and-snap. The Pixel 2 XL and probably iPhones have all Zero Shutter Lag based on the fact that it's sensors have
integrated RAM buffer where photos are stacked constantly. And when you press shutter camera simply fetch for already made and stored in RAM picture. It's already there. It's simple as that (of course it's more complicated but the point is that). But LG phones or Samsung phones still don't have such ram buffers hence shutter lags
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You can easily tell which photos were taken with which camera. When I open in Chrome, the information is right there.
Click on the "i" in the upper right hand corner.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
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Another question, 20171104_154418 size is 2.8 Mb , 20171104_154159 size is 1.66Mb. May I ask what sizes are of them in V30 drive in reality or you just posted them to photos.google.com and deleted originals? Because 16 Mpix matrix can't produce just 2.8Mb under sunlight, it's not possible. Thing is V30 photos have Picasa named in it's programs, so when it was uploaded it simply was compressed by Picasa stripping of any details and fine lines.
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Another question, 20171104_154418 size is 2.8 Mb , 20171104_154159 size is 1.66Mb. May I ask what sizes are of them in V30 drive in reality or you just posted them to photos.google.com and deleted originals? Because 16 Mpix matrix can't produce just 2.8Mb under sunlight, it's not possible. Thing is V30 photos have Picasa named in it's programs, so when it was uploaded it simply was compressed by Picasa stripping of any details and fine lines.
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I've not altered them. That is the size backed up directly to google photos from the V30 (auto backup) unless Google must be doing some sort of compression. Size on the phone is 6.34mb. It would do that to all of them though, wouldn't it? iphone x too.
Hello to all
Since I currently own both a Samsung Galaxy S8 and an LG V30, I thought I'd make a camera comparison.
Let's start directly with the facts.
LG V30 (H930): 16 MP, f/1.6, 1/3.0", 1.0µm, dxomark 87 points
Samsung S8 (SM-G950): 12 MP, f/1.7, 1/2.5", 1.4µm, dxomark 88 points
As we all (should) know, the data speak for S8, because:
Fewer megapixels, larger sensor = less noise. In addition to that is has a larger pixel size.
In order for the comparison to be a comparison, the following requirements must be met:
Both devices have the latest software
Both devices took their photos at the same time under the same circumstances
Both devices use the same mode in direct comparison (HDR/Auto/Pro etc.)
Both camera lenses are clean
All pictures are here unedited from my site, not recompressed and 100% crops
Okay, check that.
Let's begin...
First object, a car model, indoor:
Samsung S8 - auto mode - 1/131s f/1.7 ISO40
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LG V30 - auto mode - denoise ON - 1/115s f/1.6 ISO50
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Conclusion: Samsung can reach ISO40, LG can't. And Samsung has a better shutterspeed. BUT: If you look closely at both pictures, you can clearly see that the LG photo is sharper and does not artificially emphasize the writing "Highway Patrol" with increased contrast.
Same motive, both HDR modes in comparison:
Samsung S8 - auto mode - HDR - 1/300s f/1.7 ISO40
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LG V30 - auto mode - HDR - denoise ON - 1/109s f/1.6 ISO50
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Conclusion: Both HDR modes are not really comparable to Google's HDR algorithm (which is truly black magic), but LG manages to better brighten up the dark rear end of the car.
Same motif, the test par excellence: RAW comparison, jpeg conversion without further processing with "Photoshop Express" under Android.
Samsung S8 - RAW 1/140s f/1.7 ISO40
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LG V30 - RAW - 1/110s f/1.6 ISO50
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Conclusion: Both photos look much better, because they look more natural than if the postprocessing of Samsung/LG runs over them.
If you take a closer look...
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...it is noticeable that even the S8 uses ISO40, it has more noise than the V30 at ISO50, which raises some questions due to the technical data
Here are some LG V30 specific pictures:
LG V30 - auto mode - AI enabled - denoise ON - 1/113s f/1.6 ISO50
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LG V30 - manual mode - denoise OFF - 1/100s f/1.6 ISO50
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Conclusion: AI does not change anything groundbreaking in the photo and even if it changes something, they are "only" filters. Deactivated noise reduction in daylight does not introduce any visible change.
Next motif: Bush from above, outside
Samsung S8 - auto mode - 1/684s f/1.7 ISO40
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Conclusion: It's confirmed, Samsung gets more light into the camera, but Samsung's postprocessing is really bad. So go directly to RAW:
Same motif, RAW (converted same way as above)
Samsung S8 - RAW - 1/680s f/1.7 ISO40
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Conclusion: Again, both cameras clearly benefit from not being spoiled by postprocessing, but the "more" megapixels and the slightly smaller view angle contribute to the fact that this crop of the V30 is much more usable. S8 appears blurry.
Next and last photo motif: bedside lamp, extremely darkened room
This time the other way around, first RAW comparison.
Samsung S8 - RAW - 1/10s f/1.7 ISO800
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Conclusion: Woooot, LG increases the ISO level considerably more than the S8, the image is extremely noisy, even difficult to recover with Photoshop Express (I tried it). By the way, the S8 really seems to like ISO800 and stays on the level as long as it's not pitch-dark. But it's not the end, what about postprocessing?
Same motive
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Conclusion: Woooot again. LG V30's photo looks terrible. Let's activate the noise suppression:
LG V30 - manual mode - denoise ON - 1/13s f/1.6 ISO1800
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Conclusion2: Okay... LG V30 has won again. Noise is gone and look at the grey something in the lower left image area. This is a pillow with 3D texture, the S8 has decided to remove this completely
Matchball: Short little mini video test. Maximum settings. Also means Cine-Log+Color Grading for the V30.
LG V30: Video: h264 (High), yuvj420p, 3840x2160, 52000 kb/s, SAR 1:1 DAR 16:9, 24.01 fps
Audio: PCM, 2304 Kbps, 48.0 KHz, 24 bits
Samsung S8: Video: h264 (High), yuv420p(tv, bt709), 3840x2160, 47863 kb/s, SAR 1:1 DAR 16:9, 29.91 fps
Audio: AAC, 256 Kbps, 48.0 KHz
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Conclusion: For my taste the S8 is a bit oversharpened and the LG a bit too soft. Both can be adjusted during post-processing, but I doubt that I can achieve a similarly good color yield with the S8. For my taste, LG V30 wins.
After all we have learned, as a V30 user, use RAW+an app to develop it for light-rich situations, use manual+denoise on for pitch-dark situations, don't believe to much in technical data or some reviewers like dxomark
Also, I am not a big fan of gcam port since it can be buggy and slow and won't match RAW quality after all.
For my taste the S8 is a bit oversharpened and the LG a bit too soft.
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great review !
I believe having read that softening is tailored towards the Korean market (?), the (over)sharpening could be tailored towards the West,
so in essence - it's a matter of taste
I got my LG V30+ US998 last week and I noticed right away that the pictures had some annoying distortion using the regular camera lens. For example, objects closer to the camera appeared much larger than normal. People's heads have abnormal dimensions. I'm not sure if it's pincushion or barrel distortion or what but I don't like it. Also the front camera has resulted in very noisy and blurry low-light photos. So far I feel like the camera on the LG V30+ is performing significantly worse than on my Samsung Galaxy Note 4 but as it doesn't seem possible to get an S9+ or N8 with an unlocked bootloader that is compatible with Sprint, I think I'm stuck with LG. I've been doing more testing with the LG V30+ using the wide angle lens to see if pictures have less distortion. I haven't seen much mention of this problem elsewhere on the web.
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JesseAaronSafir said:
I got my LG V30+ US998 last week and I noticed right away that the pictures had some annoying distortion using the regular camera lens...
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Hmm as you see there is no distortion on my V30. Also macro shots are the same compared to my S8. Well, the front camera is bad, this is no secret. There is no front camera which can match the quality from rear camera at all, therefore use a selfiestick and rear camera for selfies. If you read my review again you will see that the camera is significantly better than S8 and S8 has a great camera (at least everyone thinks so).
JesseAaronSafir said:
I haven't seen much mention of this problem elsewhere on the web.
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Because there's not a problem. V30 rear camera is one of the best out there. I'm not going to say THE best, but easily top 5 and I would say top 3 (Pixel 2 XL, Galaxy Note 8, LG V30 -- not necessarily in that order).
Especially with the Oreo AI cam update it's very good.
JesseAaronSafir said:
I got my LG V30+ US998 last week and I noticed right away that the pictures had some annoying distortion using the regular camera lens. For example, objects closer to the camera appeared much larger than normal. People's heads have abnormal dimensions. I'm not sure if it's pincushion or barrel distortion or what but I don't like it. Also the front camera has resulted in very noisy and blurry low-light photos. So far I feel like the camera on the LG V30+ is performing significantly worse than on my Samsung Galaxy Note 4 but as it doesn't seem possible to get an S9+ or N8 with an unlocked bootloader that is compatible with Sprint, I think I'm stuck with LG. I've been doing more testing with the LG V30+ using the wide angle lens to see if pictures have less distortion. I haven't seen much mention of this problem elsewhere on the web.
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WORSE than your Note4????? Theres something wrong with your V30+.
suzook said:
WORSE than your Note4????? Theres something wrong with your V30+.
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This is my 2nd V30+ because at first I got the US998 and then I got the LS998 and they're the same
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JesseAaronSafir said:
This is my 2nd V30+ because at first I got the US998 and then I got the LS998 and they're the same
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IIRC theyre the same hardware, with the difference just being in software. you should expect similar results from identical hardware.
my V30 takes excellent photos. whether in manual mode, or just auto mode. they do not compare to a DSLR or its equivalent, but nobody should expect a cellphone camera to take the place of a dedicated shooter.
what are the odds that someone gets two different phones with similar hardware defects? they do exist, but they are relatively small, i would think.
is this a case of not using the camera properly?
elijah420 said:
IIRC theyre the same hardware, with the difference just being in software. you should expect similar results from identical hardware.
my V30 takes excellent photos. whether in manual mode, or just auto mode. they do not compare to a DSLR or its equivalent, but nobody should expect a cellphone camera to take the place of a dedicated shooter.
what are the odds that someone gets two different phones with similar hardware defects? they do exist, but they are relatively small, i would think.
is this a case of not using the camera properly?
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I wouldn't think so. I'm a semi-professional photographer with many years of experience with photography including dSLRs. I'm going to keep trying different software and different settings but it's baffling me because I thought I understood before buying the V30+ that was was supposed to have one of the best cell phone cameras yet. One difference is the dual rear cameras on the V30 though. Maybe the Note 4 camera was just really excellent?? Years ago I had to return a "top of the line" Sony digital camera too because it also had terrible lens distortion issues like I'm seeing on the V30+. I'm hoping to try an AOSP-based ROM and see if I get better results from the native Android camera app too. I have a camera called "Snap Camera HDR" that I'm going to try as well.
Can somebody screen shot where this denoise on &n off option is located in manual settings ?
JesseAaronSafir said:
I wouldn't think so. I'm a semi-professional photographer with many years of experience with photography including dSLRs. I'm going to keep trying different software and different settings but it's baffling me because I thought I understood before buying the V30+ that was was supposed to have one of the best cell phone cameras yet. One difference is the dual rear cameras on the V30 though. Maybe the Note 4 camera was just really excellent?? Years ago I had to return a "top of the line" Sony digital camera too because it also had terrible lens distortion issues like I'm seeing on the V30+. I'm hoping to try an AOSP-based ROM and see if I get better results from the native Android camera app too. I have a camera called "Snap Camera HDR" that I'm going to try as well.
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Native Android app isn't going to be "better" than LG stock camera app built for this phone.
The GCam port down in Development section can give better low light results than the stock camera. Which I know isn't your problem, but it's an app that in some cases can improve on the LG camera app.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/themes/cstark27-google-camera-mod-wide-angle-t3747263
Of the dual back cameras, you're seeing distortion with BOTH the regular lens and the wide angle? If you said you were seeing slight distortion on the wide angle lens, while it's not normally evident (LG limited the wideness angle so you don't have the fish eye effect of the V20 wide angle lens) I wouldn't be as confused.
My opinion is you have to be doing something wrong, or somehow you have terrible luck and got two different V30 variants with bad cameras.
I hope you get it figured out.
One Twelve said:
Can somebody screen shot where this denoise on &n off option is located in manual settings ?
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Switch the camera to manual mode and then select the settings icon. Noise Reduction should appear.
JesseAaronSafir said:
I got my LG V30+ US998 last week and I noticed right away that the pictures had some annoying distortion using the regular camera lens. For example, objects closer to the camera appeared much larger than normal. People's heads have abnormal dimensions. I'm not sure if it's pincushion or barrel distortion or what but I don't like it. Also the front camera has resulted in very noisy and blurry low-light photos. So far I feel like the camera on the LG V30+ is performing significantly worse than on my Samsung Galaxy Note 4 but as it doesn't seem possible to get an S9+ or N8 with an unlocked bootloader that is compatible with Sprint, I think I'm stuck with LG. I've been doing more testing with the LG V30+ using the wide angle lens to see if pictures have less distortion. I haven't seen much mention of this problem elsewhere on the web.
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Can you please post pictures so we can identify what you are seeing?
What i dont like about the lg v30 camera is the motion blur when the subject is moving.
Like when I try to take a photo of my nephew who is playing around. The slightest movement causes a blur.
Valinorian said:
What i dont like about the lg v30 camera is the motion blur when the subject is moving.
Like when I try to take a photo of my nephew who is playing around. The slightest movement causes a blur.
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That's not a V30 specific problem. Every camera prioritize low ISO in contrast to fast shutterspeed. Solution1: Don't use HDR since it's stacking three images and motionblur will always be there. Solution2: Use manual mode and set shutterspeed to your own. Solution3: record 4K Video and extract good frames.
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Switch the camera to manual mode and then select the settings icon. Noise Reduction should appear.
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Interesting, is this denoise option something recent or was it there right from the start ?
As far as I remember it has always been there on the TMO variant.
I would be perfectly happy with my V30 camera if it wasn´t for the poor dynamic range. HDR doesn´t even help. The V10 had way better dynamic range in HDR. Comparison with my Mi Mix 2s below. Obviously the Mix does something but HDR was turned off for the shot.
Mi Mix 2s (no HDR)
V30 (HDR)
dannejanne said:
I would be perfectly happy with my V30 camera if it wasn´t for the poor dynamic range. HDR doesn´t even help. The V10 had way better dynamic range in HDR. Comparison with my Mi Mix 2s below. Obviously the Mix does something but HDR was turned off for the shot.
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Hmm strange, for me HDR is working quite well:
V30 (noHDR)
V30(HDR)
Seems like it's more effective the darker it gets.
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Can you please post pictures so we can identify what you are seeing?
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So the problem was that I was using 16:9 aspect ratio and that resulted in distorted photos. When I set it back to 4:3 the photos look mostly fine.
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