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Kind of in a hard spot right now, both amazing phones but which one do you guys recommend?
Camera on the Pixel still beats the S8 & due to pure Android it feels much faster
Do you care about an unlocked boot loader, custom ROMs, root?
Pixel xl bought straight from Google you have a lot more freedom, and best part of all you can try out Google project fi. Also pure Android is the best in terms of speed, no bloatware, and you'll get the latest updated with the pixel XL. Or you can wait for the pixel 2 which is soon to be unveiled
Yeah i decided to go for the xl, i don't wanna wait for the s8 to get root and also i love flashing custom roms etc..
Mother of God. Of course the Pixel! Why would you want a lagfest phone? And this isn't because this is Pixel section, create same topic on Samsung section and my answer will be same, except there won't be any answer as I don't visit their section.
Congrats in advance by the way.
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Kind of in a hard spot right now, both amazing phones but which one do you guys recommend?
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Having used both the pixel XL and the samsung s8 plus, I would definitely recommend the pixel XL for the below reasons
1) The HDR+ is excellent in the google pixel XL. The front camera is also great for selfies
2) Stock android, haven't seen it lag till date. After a few weeks quite a bit of lag is visible in the S8 plus
3) in my view the Pixel XL is easier to hold and use on a daily basis. The Samsung S8 plus is quite scary to hold especially if you are a person who moves around a lot and travels
4) The google assistant is of some use. I didn't use the Bixby at all while it was there (no voice support)
5) The battery life is brilliant and gets me through the day
The only downside is the speaker output in the google Pixel XL but yeah I have bluetooth speakers. I miss the Always on Display but I love my Pixel XL that I got back to it and wouldn't look for a replacement
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If you do the Pixel XL isn't actually a great phone. Google made the Pixels to run stock Android. They want Pixel users to run stock Android. Independent development is almost nonexistent for the Pixels compared with the wide variety of roms, kernels and tweaks that were available for the earlier Nexus devices. The Pixel is a headache to flash on, root and develop for. There is no official version of Magisk for the Pixel and according to the dev there may never be. Custom kernels for the Pixel are missing the most basic modification that custom kernels usually provide --the ability to change the governor. The Pixel XL is an excellent phone if you want to run stock Android but anyone who claims it's a great phone for development and flashing is either lying, stupid or completely delusional.
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If you do the Pixel XL isn't actually a great phone. Google made the Pixels to run stock Android. They want Pixel users to run stock Android. Independent development is almost nonexistent for the Pixels compared with the wide variety of roms, kernels and tweaks that were available for the earlier Nexus devices. The Pixel is a headache to flash on, root and develop for. There is no official version of Magisk for the Pixel and according to the dev there may never be. Custom kernels for the Pixel are missing the most basic modification that custom kernels usually provide --the ability to change the governor. The Pixel XL is an excellent phone if you want to run stock Android but anyone who claims it's a great phone for development and flashing is either lying, stupid or completely delusional.
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But still I don't see the S8 being in a better place with knox when it comes to custom ROMs and kernels. On the contrary I would say it is worse in that section.
Funny. I just sold my galaxy s8+ for a regular pixel .... Yes 5" pixel. I really wanted an xl but finding a use 128gb google version pixel for $100 was a no brainer. Here is my little story and why i say PIXEL ALL THE WAY.
i bought this pixel has a spare since is was.such a great price. I had my galaxy s8+ since launch. amazing phone until i used the pixel for a few minutes. There i learned how laggy and stuttery the sg8 is. I couldnt even use it anymore since i already experience how smooth the pixel was. I sold my gs8+ 2 days after and kept the pixel. The gs8 is a great phone and has all this feature. But software which is my main purpose i purchase the phone doesnt cut it. I want a smooth OS experience and not the lag hell like touchwiz even with its 835 chipset. Things are much more laggy than this.
By the way. I got the pixel for $100 but in black. I was tired of black phones and took mine to ubreakifix. They charged me $250 to do an entire very blue conversion. Looks brand new out of the box white face screen and blue housing. One of the few with a very blue 128gb version.
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But still I don't see the S8 being in a better place with knox when it comes to custom ROMs and kernels. On the contrary I would say it is worse in that section.
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That might be true but I still don't think you can recommend a Pixel based on independent development and custom Roms and flashing. There is much more independent development for the One Plus phones if that is a big reason you want to own an Android phone. I've tried a number of custom Roms on the Pixel XL, more out of long standing habit than anything else. None ran better than stock and the only one I found that ran without a single issue was Dirty Unicorn. All of the other Roms I tried would either have bugs or would lag over time, which doesn't happen with stock on the Pixel. The only reason to run a custom rom on the Pixel is either that you can't live without Substratum theming or the custom rom has some feature that is vitally important to you--but it's almost guaranteed that you will be sacrificing some performance and stability on a custom rom because the Pixel was made to run stock Android and does so remarkably well. That's just an opinion of course and I'm sure people on the Pixel love their custom roms. The only thing I miss (I went back to stock) is using a dark theme. I think if Google actually allowed theming natively like the OnePlus and some Sony phones do the Pixel would be close to perfect. The only obvious problem is the Pixel speakers which are unforgivavly bad for such an expensive phone. I swear to God that I'm not exaggerating --my friend got a 20 or 30 dollar phone from the Cricket Store and it has better speakers than the Pixel does. Google never should have released this phone with such terrible speakers. Otherwise as long as you want to run stock Android the Pixel is great.
There are actually people, normal users, who purchase a phone based off on development? Yes OnePlus and all them inferior devices have much more development, but you are gonna buy that thing over a Pixel because it has more development? I mean what the heck is wrong with people? A heavily modified OnePlus will still not perform as good as a bare stock Pixel at first place!
Take the developers out of the picture obviously, they can buy a OnePlus just for development's sake, but I am saying about us normal users.
TouchWiz is realy ugly, so I recommend a Pixel XL
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There are actually people, normal users, who purchase a phone based off on development? Yes OnePlus and all them inferior devices have much more development, but you are gonna buy that thing over a Pixel because it has more development? I mean what the heck is wrong with people? A heavily modified OnePlus will still not perform as good as a bare stock Pixel at first place!
Take the developers out of the picture obviously, they can buy a OnePlus just for development's sake, but I am saying about us normal users.
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Well one plus has a lot worse camera but unfortunately breasts pixel in speed and battery life by far...
I have seen ppl owning one plus 5 having over that 12 hours of sot with custom rom and kernel...
I am a pixel user myself and I would love to see Google boosting so much our battery life. It is too bad that Google gets beaten in its own operating system in performance and battery life by a a smaller company and a bunch of developers...
I would definitely wait 2 month and get the xl 2.
I purchased the S8, HTC U11 and Sony XZ Premium. Nothing is as smooth as Google Pixel XL. Returned all of them and kept my Pixel XL.
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LOL no one gonna tell you to get an s8 on a google forum buddy.
I have both.
if you want faster update and some noticeable speed. get pixel xl
if you want gorgeous phone, with latest hardware, more features , SD card, wireless charging, water proof. get S8
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LOL no one gonna tell you to get an s8 on a google forum buddy.
I have both.
if you want faster update and some noticeable speed. get pixel xl
if you want gorgeous phone, with latest hardware, more features , SD card, wireless charging, water proof. get S8
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does anyone know why samsung phones always lag so horribly? can it be fixed on a users end or is it something that samsung would have to change as a company? ive noticed its had lagging issues every since the galaxy s5 but i didnt know if it was something that had to do with the cache or something slowing it down i remember on my galaxy s5 it would build up like a gb of cache within a day or two and soon as i cleared it out it would work extremely well again for a few minutes then itd be really crappy again.
You are going to get a lot of people say they owned a billion devices and they sold them all for the Pixel. You are also going to get people say that the pixel is great because it doesn't lag.
I guess you could say that a Galaxy S8 might lag, but you have to keep in mind, that it does ALOT more than a Pixel. Literally all the pixel has software wise over the S8 is that it is fast. That's it. The Galaxy S8 software features blow the Pixel out of the water. It can do so much, and has so many features built in right out of the box. Also keep in mind that S8 currently has full theme support which the Pixel cannot do (incase you get board of the layout/appearance etc). Something to also consider, is that the Pixel XL is wider and could be considered harder to hold than the S8+. Personally I find them both too big, but the S8+ is easier to hold, especially in portrait. Also that the S8 and the s8+ have bigger screens and better battery life in general than both Pixels.
In the end I think it's just software based. If you like to pay for extra apps, and get varied user experiences over UI's created by different developers, and put up with the Google issues they have with their own devices and how many updates and bug fixes they get, and you value speed over software features then Pixel is the best choice.
If you think aesthetics, software features, hardware features (water resist, better speaker, bigger screen, bigger battery etc) then S8+ is the best choice.
I'm sick of the issues with this Pixel XL and I am going to preorder the Note 8 as soon as it's available. Really wanted this Pixel to work but too many issues, mostly bluetooth but there are feature on the Note line that I actually used and never realized how much until I didn't have one.
I managed to pick up a Pixel 2 XL about a week ago. Initially I was very impressed and excited about it. 48 hours later I was "meh". The camera is great, assistant awesome at interpreting requests and to me - nothing beats the stock android experience.
Frankly I'm a bit disappointed at Google for allowing Verizon to sell this phone (and Google selling it) with the bootloader locked.
History:
I've owned every Nexus/Pixel since Google and HTC released the very first device.
Before the Pixel I used the S8. I preferred it's size to the S8+.
I think my dream device would be the Pixel experience in the S8 form factor or the Pixel XL's minimal bezel design in a smaller form factor. (angrily staring at the design team behind the Pixel 2)
After the 5T launch today - I'm toying with the idea of just buying one of those and selling this XL
What are your thoughts?
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I managed to pick up a Pixel 2 XL about a week ago. Initially I was very impressed and excited about it. 48 hours later I was "meh". The camera is great, assistant awesome at interpreting requests and to me - nothing beats the stock android experience.
Frankly I'm a bit disappointed at Google for allowing Verizon to sell this phone (and Google selling it) with the bootloader locked.
History:
I've owned every Nexus/Pixel since Google and HTC released the very first device.
Before the Pixel I used the S8. I preferred it's size to the S8+.
I think my dream device would be the Pixel experience in the S8 form factor or the Pixel XL's minimal bezel design in a smaller form factor. (angrily staring at the design team behind the Pixel 2)
After the 5T launch today - I'm toying with the idea of just buying one of those and selling this XL
What are your thoughts?
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One Plus is trash. Keep the XL.
dhaugru said:
One Plus is trash. Keep the XL.
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What's that based on? Have you had a chance to handle the 5T? (Not trying to be funny, just curious)
I'm aware of the differences in specs. Looking at value, pocketing a couple hundred bucks while having a very similar experience is appealing.
Try it hands on style and report back. Good luck
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What's that based on? Have you had a chance to handle the 5T? (Not trying to be funny, just curious)
I'm aware of the differences in specs. Looking at value, pocketing a couple hundred bucks while having a very similar experience is appealing.
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It feels like I see something weekly about them stealing user data. No thanks. Also 1080 screen, no water resistance, some new BS camera that will under perform....nah. Happy with my Note 8 and 2 XL.
No, I haven't touched the 5T and have no desire to.
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I managed to pick up a Pixel 2 XL about a week ago. Initially I was very impressed and excited about it. 48 hours later I was "meh". The camera is great, assistant awesome at interpreting requests and to me - nothing beats the stock android experience.
Frankly I'm a bit disappointed at Google for allowing Verizon to sell this phone (and Google selling it) with the bootloader locked.
History:
I've owned every Nexus/Pixel since Google and HTC released the very first device.
Before the Pixel I used the S8. I preferred it's size to the S8+.
I think my dream device would be the Pixel experience in the S8 form factor or the Pixel XL's minimal bezel design in a smaller form factor. (angrily staring at the design team behind the Pixel 2)
After the 5T launch today - I'm toying with the idea of just buying one of those and selling this XL
What are your thoughts?
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Do what you want, bro.
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One Plus is trash. Keep the XL.
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Not completely true. I just came from the 3T. It was great except the camera. It actually took over as my favorite phone (that I've owned) from the S3. I also have a OnePlus One and bought the 5 but didn't like it so I kept my 3T until I got the 2 XL.
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Not completely true. I just came from the 3T. It was great except the camera. It actually took over as my favorite phone (that I've owned) from the S3. I also have a OnePlus One and bought the 5 but didn't like it so I kept my 3T until I got the 2 XL.
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See my previous comment to give you context to back up my opinion.
I agree, I have the note 8 and 2 xl currently. Thinking hard about returning 2 xl and buying the 5t. I got a locked bootloader also, this phone isnt as fun as a unlocked. Ill never buy from verizon again. I got lucky last year and was able to use depixel8 before the patch, not so lucky this time around.
the only advantage oneplus has over pixel is the price but if you can afford pixel, pixel is better choice.
Oneplus wont update the phone beyond 2 updates, that means you'll have to depend on custom roms after android P.
Also this my personal point of view that they are drifting away from the stock android slowly, their useless apps like clock, calculator, dialer doesnt make sense.
releasing a phone every 6 months is another thing i dont like.
pixel has faster updates, longer support, better camera.
I'm an ex oneplus 3 and oneplus 3t user btw.
but ultimately things do come to your personal preference and point of view.
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nothing beats the stock android experience...Frankly I'm a bit disappointed at Google for allowing Verizon to sell this phone (and Google selling it) with the bootloader locked.
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I'm confused. The phone is awesome, but because you apparently chose to buy the Verizon version and the bootloader is locked, you don't like it.
First of all, you do realize that 99.9% of the population has no F-ing clue what a bootloader is, nor will they ever in a million years care to find out.
But according to you, Google is somehow at fault for allowing a carrier to sell a phone with an insignificant modification none of its mainstream customers will care about. And somehow this is a "problem"?
If you are so outraged about the bootloader, why didn't you buy the device directly from Google?
Second of all, since when does the Pixel 2 XL run stock Android? Stock Android is the latest AOSP build. At this point Google has a thinly skinned Android variant that can only be described as "Google's Android".
And if you're so into "stock" Android, why does it matter if the bootloader is locked? So you can put a custom rom onto the device and thereby not use "stock" Android?
Apologies but your post seems to have no purpose than to bash the Pixel 2 XL and suggest that buying another device is a good idea. Why do we need to tell you what to do? If you don't like it, get rid of it. End of story.
I had the OnePlus 5, awesome phone considering the price.
But the camera sucks, no waterproofing, and slow updates.
Plus the updated launcher sucks.
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I'm confused. The phone is awesome, but because you apparently chose to buy the Verizon version and the bootloader is locked, you don't like it.
First of all, you do realize that 99.9% of the population has no F-ing clue what a bootloader is, nor will they ever in a million years care to find out.
But according to you, Google is somehow at fault for allowing a carrier to sell a phone with an insignificant modification none of its mainstream customers will care about. And somehow this is a "problem"?
If you are so outraged about the bootloader, why didn't you buy the device directly from Google?
Second of all, since when does the Pixel 2 XL run stock Android? Stock Android is the latest AOSP build. At this point Google has a thinly skinned Android variant that can only be described as "Google's Android".
And if you're so into "stock" Android, why does it matter if the bootloader is locked? So you can put a custom rom onto the device and thereby not use "stock" Android?
Apologies but your post seems to have no purpose than to bash the Pixel 2 XL and suggest that buying another device is a good idea. Why do we need to tell you what to do? If you don't like it, get rid of it. End of story.
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Well, thanks for your point of view. Certainly wasn't my intent to upset you or anyone else who enjoys the phone.
I never cited the bootloader lock as an issue for not liking the phone. I do LIKE the phone. Obviously I do not think it's a deal breaker because I DID knowing purchase a bootloader locked edition of the phone. My point is times are changing and I either need to change with them or find a better value. I said was disappointed in Google for allowing the change.
I'm stating from a value standpoint there may be other options that offer a similar experience. Of course value is perceived by everyone differently.
Thinking back to the Nexus 5, in my opinion one of the best phones released under Google's hand, was awesome because of the value. Yes, I'm aware that when the Nexus 6 came out we left value land for premium land.
What I meant by bringing up the 5T is - I can purchase very similar hardware for less and run the same applications at no additional costs. The trade off is a sacrifice in screen quality and camera quality??
Thank you on your clarification of what the true stock android experience is. To clarify, I prefer "Google's Android" to other manufacturer's implementation of Android. Is that better?
I got great feedback from others that I reminded me of the non-tangible benefits of owning the Pixel over a different device.
dhaugru said:
One Plus is trash. Keep the XL.
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more like, OnePlus is amazing for the price, but Pixel 2 XL is better in nearly every way (except charging speed)
Source: own/ed OnePlus One, OnePlus 3, Nexus 5X, Nexus 6P, Pixel XL, Pixel 2 XL
2x4 said:
more like, OnePlus is amazing for the price, but Pixel 2 XL is better in nearly every way (except charging speed)
Source: own/ed OnePlus One, OnePlus 3, Nexus 5X, Nexus 6P, Pixel XL, Pixel 2 XL
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I bought the OPO and OP2 from them. The OPO, great...the OP2....terrible. I have also been active on their forum for years and that has told me all I need to know about them.
They will not see anymore of my money.
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I bought the OPO and OP2 from them. The OPO, great...the OP2....terrible. I have also been active on their forum for years and that has told me all I need to know about them.
They will not see anymore of my money.
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i didn't get the OP2 since I read terrible reviews about it, but I did get the OP3 and it has been amazing to be honest in my experience (except for the GPS lock bug that was present a few months, which has since been resolved). I am both impressed by the fluidity, speed, and frequency of updates on their software and disappointed by their decision to only provide major feature updates on the OP3/T for such a short time (not to mention launch the OP5T without Oreo)
I got the Pixel XL 2 since I wanted a better camera and so my SO could use my OP3 with 2 SIM cards (for more data), but I could have easily kept it and kept using it past the SW timeline via custom ROMs - even the camera is pretty amazing once you sideload the GCAM mod that lets you use Google's algorithm (SIGNIFICANTLY better post-processing than the stock camera)
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i didn't get the OP2 since I read terrible reviews about it, but I did get the OP3 and it has been amazing to be honest in my experience (except for the GPS lock bug that was present a few months, which has since been resolved). I am both impressed by the fluidity, speed, and frequency of updates on their software and disappointed by their decision to only provide major feature updates on the OP3/T for such a short time (not to mention launch the OP5T without Oreo)
I got the Pixel XL 2 since I wanted a better camera and so my SO could use my OP3 with 2 SIM cards (for more data), but I could have easily kept it and kept using it past the SW timeline via custom ROMs - even the camera is pretty amazing once you sideload the GCAM mod that lets you use Google's algorithm (SIGNIFICANTLY better post-processing than the stock camera)
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Yeah see that's the thing for me....I don't want to have to d*ck with custom ROMs or sideloading anything. My communication is way too important to me to take chances modding my device.
Glad you like the 2 XL. I am happy with it as well. Currently flipping back and forth between the 2 XL and Note 8. Can't decide which one I like more...depends on the day. :laugh:
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Yeah see that's the thing for me....I don't want to have to d*ck with custom ROMs or sideloading anything. My communication is way too important to me to take chances modding my device.
Glad you like the 2 XL. I am happy with it as well. Currently flipping back and forth between the 2 XL and Note 8. Can't decide which one I like more...depends on the day. :laugh:
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What makes you pick the N8 somedays besides the screen? Curious not bashing.
taifuller said:
I managed to pick up a Pixel 2 XL about a week ago. Initially I was very impressed and excited about it. 48 hours later I was "meh". The camera is great, assistant awesome at interpreting requests and to me - nothing beats the stock android experience.
Frankly I'm a bit disappointed at Google for allowing Verizon to sell this phone (and Google selling it) with the bootloader locked.
History:
I've owned every Nexus/Pixel since Google and HTC released the very first device.
Before the Pixel I used the S8. I preferred it's size to the S8+.
I think my dream device would be the Pixel experience in the S8 form factor or the Pixel XL's minimal bezel design in a smaller form factor. (angrily staring at the design team behind the Pixel 2)
After the 5T launch today - I'm toying with the idea of just buying one of those and selling this XL
What are your thoughts?
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No need to look angry at the design team mate. Can't make a small phone with small bezels without severely reducing the battery size. Which in turn will make battery life suck.
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What makes you pick the N8 somedays besides the screen? Curious not bashing.
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I like the procision of the S-Pen. I am also in sales and it's handy to quickly jot a quick note when working with customers to gain contact info or to highlight important points within the conversation.
I also use it as my in-flight media library with the expanded storage. The headphone jack is nice too!
First it was speculated to come with chrome OS (at one point it was found to have been originally planned for it), then the thing was sent out with bugs (I had the random reboot and now severe lag) that were promised to be fixed by software and never were.
NOW I read were not even getting Android P even thought the tablet is more than capable in handling it.
I have to be honest Im SEVERELY disappointed in googles newest devices. The Nexus and Nexus S were solid, the nexus 5 was a miracle, the 5x was a slight taper down with the bootloop issue but google made sure to take care of a lot of those people. Now my pixel 2 already had the mic bug, was replaced and now has the loose USB C issue and will have to be swapped again. On top of that the pixel c was being sold new about 3 or 4 months ago and now google is basically telling those people "hey guess what you bought something were not supporting!"
Honestly this was a pretty pricey tablet but between the random rebooting and atrocious lag that never got nor will apparently ever be fixed, I for one am completely disenchanted with googles devices. I see the watch may be coming out in fall but I dont know if I can bring myself to even be curious about it.
How do you guys feel about the tablet? Do you have any of the issues? Do you plan on buying another from them?
I don't own this device (yet) but having only every used Nexus tabs (and I have used them all) and hearing about Pixel devices, google needs to either A: reform their in house hardware development system (fire and hire designers, get more people to scrutinize design, better manufactures, etc.) or B: Scrap in house hardware design and go back to other OEM's and re-open the Nexus program, preferably with Samsung and HTC, because let's be honest, the best Nexus devices were made by them hands down. LG Nexus 5 is the ONLY exception and even then the Galaxy Nexus was better. I know option A would cost A LOT, but that extra cha ching is just an investment really. Better hardware sells better and builds more confidence in your brand, which is pretty much non-existent in the Pixel Line up. Case and point it sucks that you are having these issues, and reccomend you sell your Pixel C for a good Nexus 9 or Nexus 10 if you don't mind leeping back down to android 6.0.1 (or staying at 7.1/8.1 if you don't mind a lack of camera or flash)
I think this is the best Android tablet ever built, even if it is a couple years old now.
Great build quality, great screen quality and dimensions, fast and great battery life.
Nvidia X1 is also the best chip ever produced by the company: great Gpu (as K1) but this time also solid CPU.
It is perfectly enjoyable even stock.
I had no reboot or lag or other problems here.
I am coming from Nexus 9 (previously owned also Nexus 10 and Nexus 7 2012) and Pixel C is a great improvement
I am also quite disappointed:
At least I expected that ChromeOS would be ported to the Pixel C. Reading some discussions here, the Pixel C is already fully prepared for ChromeOS. Even the bootloader seems to be a ChromeOS-Bootloader.
The next disappointment was that the Pixel C wont get an official Android P ROM. I expect that LineageOS will deliver a P ROM. We will see.
I also do not intend to buy a Google device again if I can avoid it. Because of an broken display I recognised that Google has a pretty descent support. But the devices are much overpriced, like Apple. But a Killer-Argument for me is an official Support for a custom ROM. (Because I normally intend to use my devices MUCH longer than the manufacturers intend to deliver updates.) Otherwise I would have an Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 (because of the pen). So it is possible that i would by another Google device, but it is not very likely.
So I just picked up 2 Note10+5Gs from T-Mobile which are on Android 10.
Coming from a OnePlus6T running A10 I had A10 gesture on any Launcher, but on the Note I loose gestures as soon as I switch launchers and set it to default, it will keep gestures as long as is not set to default. The moment I use recents the phone switch back to TouchWiz or whatever is called now.
So here comes the Q.
Is there any way to keep native gestures on a non-stock Launcher? I'm not afraid of adb but not an expert in any way.
To the People who might ask "why did you get a Samsung if you don't like the skin?" Or "if you wanted a pixel why didn't you get one?" I have to say that the hardware is always awesome and cutting edge, their skin is Meh at best. Icons are super girly in my opinion and the themes suck, again, in my opinion.
Any help will be appreciated.
I'm using Nova launcher on my Note 10+ and didn't lose any of the gestures. Not sure what you're observing. Also, if you want to have the same behaviour as Android 10, download "One Hand Operation +" from the Galaxy App Store (part of the Good Lock power tools for Galaxy devices). You can then configure edge swipes to do what you want. I have it configured as back, recent apps and previous app switching depending on the length and direction of swipe. In fact, it's more powerful than Android native gestures so it's best of both worlds.
So, to kinda add to what has been posted here, there's a way to make any Launcher work with Native Samsung Gestures in A10 but involves adb.
This works:
https://www.theandroidsoul.com/how-...ova-launcher-and-other-third-party-launchers/
Edit: only works until a reboot
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I'm using Nova launcher on my Note 10+ and didn't lose any of the gestures. Not sure what you're observing. Also, if you want to have the same behaviour as Android 10, download "One Hand Operation +" from the Galaxy App Store (part of the Good Lock power tools for Galaxy devices). You can then configure edge swipes to do what you want. I have it configured as back, recent apps and previous app switching depending on the length and direction of swipe. In fact, it's more powerful than Android native gestures so it's best of both worlds.
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This is what I mean:
So first on the top left to the last one.
1. Have One UI selected as default
2, 3, 4. Switch to A10/Samsung Screen Gestures
5. Select my new Launcher.
6. Get a message that nav was changed.
7. Then the option to get gestures is not available, more like a gesture-like nav bar.
I've read some more and apparently it's not even possible but I had up until this morning A10 on my OnePlus6T running a Pixel Launcher (modded) with A10 gestures which were exactly the same as the Samsung Gestures. So, I've had this phone for 3 days and already had several BT disconnections while standing literally 2 feet (61 cm) away from the other device and now this Launcher crap. I absolutely hate Bixby and the fact that you can't disable any Samsung apps.
Very interesting. Is this an official release of Android 10 because I don't think Android 10 is out for the Note 10+ devices. If you're running a beta you really ought to go back to official. Feels silly to say this but you can't harp on a device if you're running unreleased software.
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Very interesting. Is this an official release of Android 10 because I don't think Android 10 is out for the Note 10+ devices. If you're running a beta you really ought to go back to official. Feels silly to say this but you can't harp on a device if you're running unreleased software.
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No man, T-Mobile Note10+5G shipped with Official A10.
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Well would you look at that https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.an...-5g-t-mobile-will-ship-android-10-out-box?amp
I would not dismiss my point though still. With no official One UI 2.0 for any other Note 10 series devices, you may be dealing with some early adopter woes. Android Pie certainly does not have any limitations on the Note 10+, as I have already pointed out. I would be patient and wait until Android 10 rolls out to other Note 10 series devices before judging things. As it stands right now unfortunately, few folks will be able to help you. Basically nobody has Android 10 on their Note 10 series devices.
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So I just picked up 2 Note10+5Gs from T-Mobile which are on Android 10.
Coming from a OnePlus6T running A10 I had A10 gesture on any Launcher, but on the Note I loose gestures as soon as I switch launchers and set it to default, it will keep gestures as long as is not set to default. The moment I use recents the phone switch back to TouchWiz or whatever is called now.
So here comes the Q.
Is there any way to keep native gestures on a non-stock Launcher? I'm not afraid of adb but not an expert in any way.
To the People who might ask "why did you get a Samsung if you don't like the skin?" Or "if you wanted a pixel why didn't you get one?" I have to say that the hardware is always awesome and cutting edge, their skin is Meh at best. Icons are super girly in my opinion and the themes suck, again, in my opinion.
Any help will be appreciated.
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One of the things I've found within the first couple days of using this phone is that gestures are locked to Samsung's launcher, particularly the recent apps gesture. I do not want to use the Samsung launcher but is forced to because it has to keep running in the background in order to have this gesture (is a waste of resources to have 2 launchers running at the same time).
I read somewhere that Google will take this away from them in the next OS update.
About bixby, you will have to use an app blocker if you don't use it or don't want I running in the background. I use package disabler pro (bought from their website not from the app store), you can also use ccswe. But package disabler pro can disable all and every app, ccswe cannot do this in order for them to stay in the play store.
I've been a devoted Note user since the Note 2, upgrade pretty much day 1 on every release but I've found. I've noticed that Samsung has been slowly taking away some feature while locking others. They've lied about screen size/real-estate, battery, removing and locking the ability to track battery usage. I honestly feeling this will be my last Note device until Samsung start doing the right things again.
It's funny to see how different folks react to things in a different way. In my opinion, the Note 10+ is not only the best Note device Samsung produced to date, but the best device Samsung produced to date, period. I have had prior Note devices as well, either because I've owned them or had an opportunity to use them and the Note 10+ to me feels and functions as well as the Note 7 did for its time. We all know what happened to the 7 unfortunately and what followed the next two years was absolute crap. Samsung was conservative because they were scared. Note 10+ returned to what made the Note series great - huge screen, big battery life, beefy specs. I have the S10+ and the Note 10+ is a far better, and significantly better performing device. This despite the fact that they are built on the same basic platform. I am yet to find a flaw on it, but I see plenty on the S10+. Not sure if something is different about the 5G device or whether the software is just really that immature to lead to the dissatisfaction you are describing.
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It's funny to see how different folks react to things in a different way. In my opinion, the Note 10+ is not only the best Note device Samsung produced to date, but the best device Samsung produced to date, period. I have had prior Note devices as well, either because I've owned them or had an opportunity to use them and the Note 10+ to me feels and functions as well as the Note 7 did for its time. We all know what happened to the 7 unfortunately and what followed the next two years was absolute crap. Samsung was conservative because they were scared. Note 10+ returned to what made the Note series great - huge screen, big battery life, beefy specs. I have the S10+ and the Note 10+ is a far better, and significantly better performing device. This despite the fact that they are built on the same basic platform. I am yet to find a flaw on it, but I see plenty on the S10+. Not sure if something is different about the 5G device or whether the software is just really that immature to lead to the dissatisfaction you are describing.
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Me exact thoughts! I've had almost every note made as well as the S10 e, S10 plus. The note 10 plus I have is way better than the S10 plus period.
I guess there's no discussion about how good Note10+ is over every other Note before it, is good to clear that out.
Now, here's the deal, I'm not a fan of any brand of any product, I'm almost picky about the food I buy and clothing, sure. I had a Galaxy S2, then S5. And then a Nexus 6, the best phone by far including every other phone after it, which I used for 2 years. Then a LG G6. Then an S9 (which I kinda loved/hated the same way I do this one) that I gave to my daughter and got me a OnePlus6T, the closest to rank next to Shamu.
So as you can read it's not like I hate the brand or anything like that, I hate how Samsung adds so much makeup to Android that it doesn't feel like Android. The Screen Gestures, as I mentioned before, is a Android 10 problem that I didn't seem to have on my 6T, but all that Bixby crap and the way the icons look and how their themes suck so bad, it's like a bunch of Korean 12 year olds put them together. It's just the way Samsung makes what should be a great experience as I had with the 6T on A10 feel like bloated and opaque.
My wife and daughter loves it thought so I guess I got that going for me. I'm getting money back for both my S9s which I'll use to pay for the phone and sell it as fast as I can.
For example, My Nexus 6 had most of the amenities or features that this phone has, obviously the camera technology and fingerprint scanning had advanced greatly, and no stylus but wireless charging, face unlock, you name it, it had it plus Google security patches monthly for 3 years and a still ongoing Dev community... I mean, it even use the same microsim.
So you see, it might be faster and everything but the Samsung skin is pretty awful in my opinion and I had just forgotten how much I hated the Bixby crap, I was very happy with the lack of a dedicated Bixby button thinking stuff might be better but is worst.
I hear you for sure. Unfortunately I also don't have much to add to the discussion. I currently don't have Android 10 and won't get access to it for another month or so probably. I expect a January release for Android 10 for the Note 10+ broadly. Maybe when one of the fellow members rocking the 5G version get theirs they might be able to help more. Sorry I couldn't help beyond providing some info earlier in the thread.
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I hear you for sure. Unfortunately I also don't have much to add to the discussion. I currently don't have Android 10 and won't get access to it for another month or so probably. I expect a January release for Android 10 for the Note 10+ broadly. Maybe when one of the fellow members rocking the 5G version get theirs they might be able to help more. Sorry I couldn't help beyond providing some info earlier in the thread.
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It's all good. No need to say that, you did offer an option which I appreciate.
Look in your accessibility settings. There is something enabled that is causing your issue.
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Look in your accessibility settings. There is something enabled that is causing your issue.
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Nah, there's nothing active there bc I don't use none of that plus is also not something brought in from migrating to this phone since I started fresh on this phone.
As I wrote before, I read it is tied to A10 not allowing gestures on 3rd party launchers but it worked fine on my OnePlus6T.
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It's funny to see how different folks react to things in a different way. In my opinion, the Note 10+ is not only the best Note device Samsung produced to date, but the best device Samsung produced to date, period. I have had prior Note devices as well, either because I've owned them or had an opportunity to use them and the Note 10+ to me feels and functions as well as the Note 7 did for its time. We all know what happened to the 7 unfortunately and what followed the next two years was absolute crap. Samsung was conservative because they were scared. Note 10+ returned to what made the Note series great - huge screen, big battery life, beefy specs. I have the S10+ and the Note 10+ is a far better, and significantly better performing device. This despite the fact that they are built on the same basic platform. I am yet to find a flaw on it, but I see plenty on the S10+. Not sure if something is different about the 5G device or whether the software is just really that immature to lead to the dissatisfaction you are describing.
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That's great @dhorgas, not trying to knock what you've said or how you feel about your device in any way but I guess it's a subjective thing. I know what I paid for, I know what they told me about the device and I know what I got. You are clearly contented with what you got and that's OK.
The build quality on the N10 is exceptional, I don't think anyone can say otherwise but saying the N10 is significantly better performing than the S10 is nothing more than your bias showing in the face of all the comparison speed tests widely available. Significant? No. Exaggeration? Very much so. By the way just letting you know colors are better on the S10 screen than the Note 10 but that's neither here nor there. Performance is not a Samsung thing, it's Qualcomm. You shouldn't be giving Samsung credit for things they didn't do.
My few gripes with the phone might not be significant to you in any way. By themselves they're pretty small but together they're hard to overlook in in my day to day usage.
1) Screen size, they lied but didn't lie. Screen is correct 6.8" but actual screen real-estate is 6.5", almost the same as on my N9 which is 6.4" in immersive mode. There is no immersive mode on the N10. They artificially blocked it by having a semi-static banner there. Not a hardware problem, just a conscious decision made by Samsung as if they know how best I should use my phone. I was duped into thinking I would have a bigger screen to use.
2) The screen color are horrible, their choice of pixel color was a bad choice in my book. Now the screen has an even more reddish tint than even the N9.
3a) Battery size. They plain lied about this one. Some people might be fine with this, others might think they know all about how batteries work and will proceed to defend the company's actions.
I remember when they use to show mAh usage for all apps, they removed that. Now they have battery size mAh disclaimers? I'm getting the feeling it was a conscious decision to F us on the battery.
3b) battery tracking is petty much locked. when they removed mAh view they locked full tracking, why? Because they were getting ready to F us on the battery, that's why.
4) Gesture lock. What they did is lock the recent app gesture into their crappy launcher. You'd have to have it constantly running with full access to the device in the background in order to have full gesture while using a different launcher. Just like they use to lock gallery with a different app so if you should disable it then gallery wouldn't work.
With Android 10 we should at least have control of gestures which is a good thing for consumers like myself. But the road I see Samsung going down is a road I don't feel I should be investing my money, not like my money will be of any significance to them in any way shape or form but at least I want to feel comfortable when spending my money.
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4) Gesture lock. What they did is lock the recent app gesture into their crappy launcher. You'd have to have it constantly running with full access to the device in the background in order to have full gesture while using a different launcher. Just like they use to lock gallery with a different app so if you should disable it then gallery wouldn't work.
With Android 10 we should at least have control of gestures which is a good thing for consumers like myself. But the road I see Samsung going down is a road I don't feel I should be investing my money, not like my money will be of any significance to them in any way shape or form but at least I want to feel comfortable when spending my money.
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The gesture issue isn't a Samsung move. The same issue exists in other Android 10 devices in regards to third party launchers.
https://ww.9to5google.com/2019/11/12/android-10-gestures-launchers/
The problem is with Google's code, not to say Samsung couldn't fix it and flow the changes back into the base but that could take longer to get approved than to just let Google fix it and flow it up.
pcriz said:
The gesture issue isn't a Samsung move. The same issue exists in other Android 10 devices in regards to third party launchers.
https://ww.9to5google.com/2019/11/12/android-10-gestures-launchers/
The problem is with Google's code, not to say Samsung couldn't fix it and flow the changes back into the base but that could take longer to get approved than to just let Google fix it and flow it up.
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No, no that's a separate issue. What I'm talking about is on Android 9 running on Note 10, not Android 10 beta. If you fully disable Samsung's One UI launcher then you will lose the recent app gesture. No error no warning. If I should use a different launcher then I would have to keep the Samsung launcher also running using up resources even though I'm not using it.
I usually go full immersive, no status bar, until I need it, no navigation bar. Full gesture. And now Samsung is artificially preventing people who wants to use their phones that from doing so.
My Pixel 4 XL is suffering from a swelling battery a 2nd time. Google won't repair it and the phone is 15 months old, so it'd be out of pocket.
I have been a vanilla Google user since Nexus 4.
My wife has a Note 20 Ultra and I just find Samsung different to be different.
Going to be limping this phone until unsafe again --- have an LG V20 as a backup if this gets dangerous.
Is the 9 Pro the most vanilla flagship coming?
Great device and smooth oos. Take it for a spin...
Very close to stock android, oxygenos is by far one of my favorites.
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My Pixel 4 XL is suffering from a swelling battery a 2nd time. Google won't repair it and the phone is 15 months old, so it'd be out of pocket.
I have been a vanilla Google user since Nexus 4.
My wife has a Note 20 Ultra and I just find Samsung different to be different.
Going to be limping this phone until unsafe again --- have an LG V20 as a backup if this gets dangerous.
Is the 9 Pro the most vanilla flagship coming?
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I'd say it's the most vanilla of all the android versions. Pixels are pretty close too. If you like one you'll undoubtedly like the other. The oneplus doesn't add some features on top of android like the pixel but it does add a couple tasteful ones for customizing your phone if you're into that. If you're not it's generally out of the way enough that you're not bothered by it. I wish there wasn't a gallery app included, I like to use my own so that's redundant. Otherwise I prefer this version of android over the pixels all day. And in my experience, fewer bugs out of the box too.
I have been a Google phone user for years and the OP 9 Pro is my first non Google branded phone. I had the Motorola Milestone (Had stock Android iirc), Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 5, Nexus 6P and the Pixel 2. I always loved the stock interface, never was a fan of the UI of Samsung and the likes.
The interface is really close to stock, I love it. I actually was hesitant going for Oneplus, but I just couldn't bare the mediocre SOC of the Pixel 5. But I'm really glad I went for the OP 9 Pro, it's a great phone for People who come from a long history of Google phones.
Try going for custom ROM on Oneplus 9 PRO
short answer is YES!
Some users (including me) have had some battery drain problems on the OP9 pro. It's my first time owning a oneplus and was surprised by the low SOT on this device. The battery is its only relatively weak point. I'm on CrDroid right now and with some tweaks i'm getting a better SOT (still experimenting though).
Maybe choose the oneplus 8 over the 9 series. I don't think there's a huge difference between the two. The best is to read about issues and problems of both and decide.
Good luck.