At first i would like to thank all guys in the community that worked for it and making this possible - you all are doing this for fun and not for a salary, you all are idealists.
But, especially to kyphur, how it will goes on now? Bug fixing or releasing the one we really wanted?
Almost everybody, me too, flashed a WM6 version either Vanilla or v0.01 and is now sreaming that this is and that is not working. Of course it is a little bit frustating but why you should give up the primary goal - the building of a stable and note beta based rom - for bug fixing?
Now the first WM6 rom is out, the issue with the unnamed source of the "real" in difference to the "beta" rom steps more and more in the background and the time for releasing the real rom, as you wanted to do it, comes closer and closer.
I think it would be a much bigger effort to work on the real rom and checking the dangerous items in it, than doing that bug fixing.
As more you concentrate on this as faster it will be there and, in the end, when we have it, nobody will uses the bugfixes anymore.
other opinions?
I have not abandoned the original Rom Base for WMXL. It is still there and I still want to release a version based on it or it's predecessor (such as an approved for official release carrier Rom).
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I have not abandoned the original Rom Base for WMXL. It is still there and I still want to release a version based on it or it's predecessor (such as an approved for official release carrier Rom).
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Great, thank you and in case that you did not not recognized my pm´s, just delete them.
You´re great!
I say head on to the final release. There are enough guru's here who can figure out how to fix those niggly little bugs, but there's only Kryphur with his finger on the crossbow ROM...
Absolutely,
No other e.g. the same opinions?
I, too are anxious to see the original wm6 rom development coming around at some later stage. I can understand the recent hype though, since I also use my Hermes both as a tech toy and as a work system being torn between these both "system states" often enough. The advent of a stable productive version would surely make my day and I believe the original devt. was a better chance in this direction. For the time being, I am quite content with playing around with what is availeable as of now, knowing that I can always revert to my 'stable' HTC Test rom.
So many great possibilities have surfaced in just the last couple of days, that I am quite sure soon we will basically be able to find solutions for everyones different needs and priorities here.
I for one am definitely keeping an eye out for k's original rom project.
Thank you for your effort and support.
BZ
I agree with apokryphus's premise, which needed to be expressed. I am sitting back waiting for the "original" ROM that kyphur promised. I use my device for work and play, and don't have time or motivation to be squashing bugs all the time When I flash, I want to have a working system that I won't have to constantly return to the forum to find bug fixes for, and I know there are many out there like myself.
Now, friend Kyphur, you are stuck with trying to field all the posts in the "Issues" thread, while at the same time working on the original goal. Did you guys see how heated the thread got at a couple of points?
A thousand thanks, Kyphur, I admire (but don't envy) you! Just don't let the furor raised by the "early release" sidetrack you, PLEASE! "
BZ" as we used to say in the Navy: "Bravo Zulu" (signal talk for "Well Done.")
Best regards to you and your collaborators.
Ben, deported from Chi-Town to Florida.
In according to duttys "rom koch" all we need at last is a stable and original rom then we will have all we need to cook our own specified rom with appz we want and without those we do not want.
I think when kyphur will release his genuine rom, we will have one of the best devices - with out gps - that we can have!
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I am a newbie here, just joint the community not too long ago. However noted that all the good cooks went missing? Previously, every month there be a number of new roms being released? However, lately not much of new roms being released? Where have all the good cook went? Will here be a 'ghost' town especially with the forthcoming Kaiser?
Just my 2 cents of opinion?
alancstan said:
I am a newbie here, just joint the community not too long ago. However noted that all the good cooks went missing? Previously, every month there be a number of new roms being released? However, lately not much of new roms being released? Where have all the good cook went? Will here be a 'ghost' town especially with the forthcoming Kaiser?
Just my 2 cents of opinion?
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I think they finally realised there is more to life than a stupid phone.
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I think they finally realised there is more to life than a stupid phone.
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Oooh, you'll catch hell for that one...
I think with WM6 being released, it has taken the punch out of some of the cooks fun\obsession. Also there has been several good kitchens released that allow for just about anybody to cook their own rom just how they want it. Check out the Pandora thread it's great!
I hope they reappear for the Kaiser.
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I think they finally realised there is more to life than a stupid phone.
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Pff...What the hell are you doing here on this forum, if you think most of us dont live a normal life, like we are all nerds or people with no life.. because most of us like to modify our phone..
Look in the miror, you will see the person with no life..
Bro Bram87,
Please don't start flamming over here.... just a discussion wil do. Everyone here loves their Hermes!
waiting for wm7...
The real reason is that the production WM6 release is very stable & fast
Some cooks are still here... We still have some Betas... That means LIFE
Err i think the cooks are here, its just all the roms out there dont really need any improvement now?
if you try a few of the latest ones, you will see you'll have very little rom related issues, so no need, to cook, and improve the roms!
fil,
Yes I do agree, the current batch of roms are very stable and fast. But however, I do find that a cook is always a cook, whereby the perfection will never take place, always challenging till the end!
my 2 cents of opinion...
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However noted that all the good cooks went missing?
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Pardon me?
I'll agree with the others... it's getting pretty difficult to improve on the Hermes ROM at this point. Working on it, though.
Aside from the facts that there are some excellent chefs still in the hermes kitchen, that the roms are probably near completition for WM6 etc - I think what drove a lot of the cooks away was a combination of the constant flaming that seems to go on in the Hermes forums - I typically find most of it pretty funny but reading through some of the other forums I am always surprised how there is nowhere near as much flaming going on. That and I think they got sick of people complaining there rom broke this or that when it was something stupid the person did and didn't follow the instructions or do a simple search for the solution. I could easily see how that could put somebody off of releasing to the public something they worked so hard to make.
Regardless of all that, there are some great chefs about - VP3g, Schapps, Duttythroy, Dutty (I think still puts out roms), JasJamming (though he doesn't realse them here any more - somebody usually post a link when he does). If I forgot to mention you or butchered the spelling of your name - sorry - not intentional
I think the cooks on here are doing an excellent job! the problem is Microsoft now is starting to do some sh** right and making a fast rom for our phone. I've tried every rom on xda that I could find at least once to test them. It's just getting harder for the cooks to cook better roms when they are working with the software that is released and taking their time to help us.
Just remember its like the military the stuff they've have for 10 years is just new to citizens. its kinda similar with wm6 just give em time and until then enjoy the awesome roms that we have!!!!
.... or you could build your own if your that risky.
It seems that the ROMs the chefs are cooking are becoming more unstable. I am not trying to put them down, but I havnt flashed a stable ROM on my device since Dutty's ROMS. Is it because all the releases that are coming out are not meant for the diamond and are ported from other devices? It would be quite nice to eventually get a stable ROM with all the new tricks of the trade on the devices already.
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It seems that the ROMs the chefs are cooking are becoming more unstable. I am not trying to put them down, but I havnt flashed a stable ROM on my device since Dutty's ROMS. Is it because all the releases that are coming out are not meant for the diamond and are ported from other devices? It would be quite nice to eventually get a stable ROM with all the new tricks of the trade on the devices already.
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No stability issues for me on my cooked rom.
Chefs can really only do so much with official releases. So unless they get new ones, they're stuck with messing around with the ones they've got, unless they wanna start from scratch, which I imagine is extremely difficult.
The reason most of the new ones are betas is because they're either..
1) Actual beta tests to discover very minor bugs before releasing finals soon after and based off official ROMs, OR..
2) Based off the Windows Mobile 6.5 beta ROM, which has never made it to an official release and had all its bugs worked out. Soo.. If you're working off a beta ROM, the most you can really deliver is another beta release. There's so many of them because 6.5 is up and coming, with more features and somewhat more customization to it, whereas 6.1's been out for forever. It's just more fun to work and experiment with right now.
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It seems that the ROMs the chefs are cooking are becoming more unstable. I am not trying to put them down, but I havnt flashed a stable ROM on my device since Dutty's ROMS. Is it because all the releases that are coming out are not meant for the diamond and are ported from other devices? It would be quite nice to eventually get a stable ROM with all the new tricks of the trade on the devices already.
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It's obvious you need to do more research to put a blanket statement out like that. Please take the time to read at least the first page of threads and you will quickly discover how inaccurate your statement was.
ill close this thread
before the flaming start....don't tar all chefs with the same brush.
all roms here are beta.....work in progress......something new.....and the roms gets updated....a chef will state final...then bam....new update...if you not happy with cooked roms you need to go back to a standard buggy rom too.
thank you....thread closed
UPDATE: 6/21/2010
Sorry, all, I've looked in to what I was 'trying to do' - and while my overall goal worked, it had no benefits. Thus, there's no reason to do it. What I was doing: the goal of this 'custom build' was to combine the latest COM3 and COM5 benefits. The concensus out there was that build 28232 had an updated and faster Internet Explorer and build 23569 had an updated interface. My goal was to merge IE from 28232 into 23569.
Unfortunately, there was no real way to prove there was an updated Internet Explorer, and even a mobile browser test between several builds of WM6.5 all had the same results and showed the same version number.
There genuinely appeared to be no benefit to all of this work, even though I did get a succesfully working build with the Internet Explorer from 28232 into 23569, but I've decided to give up on this current project since there was absolutely zero detectable benefits.
Thanks for the interest, and the willing beta testers out there! See you around!
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Original post:
I have a new ROM I'm cooking up - right now it's fairly barebones, I'm not planning on putting a lot of things in the build, since most people can download and install something they want later.
I don't want to go in to a lot of details as to what makes this ROM unique - I haven't even tried it myself, yet (and I'm NOT going to send it out to anyone else until I do so, just in case it's a cement-mixing brick maker!!). But if it works out for me, and I can get a few beta testers to give me feedback, I'd really like to go public with this ROM.
I plan on testing my concepts out tonight, will look in this thread the next few days for any volunteers.
If this thread belongs in the QA, I'm very sorry - feel free to lock it - and if it's locked, please just PM me for details about the build. This ROM won't change the world or anything, but if it works, it could be a fun experiment!
NuAngel
Over 50 thread views and no brave souls, so far? I successfully flashed my first test ROM, but I'll consider this still quite in the "alpha" phase of the project... quite a few bugs to work out.
If I have time to work on it more tomorrow (err... today? it's 4 AM), I will, but might not get to this one until later in the week.
NuAngel
good luck with your ROM NuAngel.
I only have the one "working" vogue and it's my daily phone atm. so I'm not super keen on beta testing with it.
hope to hear some more on this ROM of yours.
If I am not breaking something... I'm not having fun!
I'm in for the beta testing!
Sending a PM also!
I'm down for testing also
Hook me up too!
I can't test data but I will give you some feedback!
Also If you need anything let me know, I'm always willing to help out a fellow cook!
Happy Cooking!
I sent you a PM too for beta testing earlier......
Spare Vogue
I have a spare Vogue... I'm your huckleberry.
I'll test as well. Although, I have no service in it (changed carriers to TMO), but will be glad to take it for a spin.
Wow!
i appreciate all of the interst, folks!
I've been extremely busy this week, with work, and some of my other obligations, not to mention I'm trying to finish reading a book!!
Still, I'm making progress, but my next two weekends are jam packed and who knows what else... plus, I'm trying to find a way to "prove" that what I'm doing is actually... doing something. Luckily, I haven't bricked my phone, yet, so I'm confident that there will be SOMETHING for ya'll to test in the future.
Thanks for your interst, everyone!
NuAngel
Hello everyone,
I would like to give some feedback on my experience with cutstom rom's available for the rhodium.
First of all, I want to thank all people on this forum who are kindly providing their work and time. thanks to all of you guys
I was looking for a custom rom in order to get something that isn't on the last wm 6.5 official/stock rom : speed (i'm using a french/european version of the rhodium)
Because many people on many different forums told me that I had to try those custom rom's, that they are much better in pretty much each aspect, I tought "let's give it a try"
So, I came here and, since the last 2 months, I tried barely each "energy" rom's (those one's who seemed to be the most downloaded/popular) but also some other ones.
Actually, I am kinda disappointed. As a matter of fact, I think i didn't get out one single positive point from the whole experience.
For example, I can't even tell you how much business calls I missed, don't even want think about it.
ROM's I tried are slower, more bugged in a general way, and poor "amateur-style" designed (last point which is logic, but has to be said) than the last stock/original HTC wm 6.5 (european) rom
As a consequence to what, I strongly diss-recommended to any professional user to try anything here while he has to use the device to earn money : it's a very very bad idea.
For me, technically, a big part of the problem comes from rohdium's hardware which is simply to low to run wm 6.5 smoothly, no matter how you try, it's not doing it / end of the story
Now, I got back to the stock wm 6.1 rom which runs..normaly
Sometimes there's a lag in a menu, but I can go on with that..at least I'm not loosing money anymore.
Finally, I'm not saying all of this in order to start a flame war but only to spare time to the professional user who needs his rhodium to work with : if you read me, just stick to the wm 6.1 stock rom, it is definitely the best option you have
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Hello everyone,
I would like to give some feedback on my experience with cutstom rom's available for the rhodium.
First of all, I want to thank all people on this forum who are kindly providing their work and time. thanks to all of you guys
I was looking for a custom rom in order to get something that isn't on the last wm 6.5 official/stock rom : speed (i'm using a french/european version of the rhodium)
Because many people on many different forums told me that I had to try those custom rom's, that they are much better in pretty much each aspect, I tought "let's give it a try"
So, I came here and, since the last 2 months, I tried barely each "energy" rom's (those one's who seemed to be the most downloaded/popular) but also some other ones.
Actually, I am kinda disappointed. As a matter of fact, I think i didn't get out one single positive point from the whole experience.
For example, I can't even tell you how much business calls I missed, don't even want think about it.
ROM's I tried are slower, more bugged in a general way, and poor "amateur-style" designed (last point which is logic, but has to be said) than the last stock/original HTC wm 6.5 (european) rom
As a consequence to what, I strongly diss-recommended to any professional user to try anything here while he has to use the device to earn money : it's a very very bad idea.
For me, technically, a big part of the problem comes from rohdium's hardware which is simply to low to run wm 6.5 smoothly, no matter how you try, it's not doing it / end of the story
Now, I got back to the stock wm 6.1 rom which runs..normaly
Sometimes there's a lag in a menu, but I can go on with that..at least I'm not loosing money anymore.
Finally, I'm not saying all of this in order to start a flame war but only to spare time to the professional user who needs his rhodium to work with : if you read me, just stick to the wm 6.1 stock rom, it is definitely the best option you have
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Its based on user preference. I used to like Energy, but now in my opinion its just slow, overloaded junk. I used to think the same until I found Valkyrie. From there I was a fan of that ROM. However, the chef left so now I make my own ROMs. Just to make sure, have you tried Valkyrie, WCX Iluminati, Simplicity, Eden or even mines (in my sig)? I talk to the Wild Child (the WCX chef) and I know he takes pride in his ROMs and they are rock solid. I have tried them before. Try his, try mines, and try the ones I gave you on the list. See if you like any.
If not, maybe you like Sense 2.1 ROMs with 6.1. There is chefs cooking that around here. Look around. There is way more chefs and better selection than when I first started with my Rhodium.
If you want speed and reliability from a cooked ROM, you need to try Ondraster's LBFAR ROMs. They are definitely the cleanest ones in the forum.
Yeah the reason that my dad and I use a custom rom (valkyre) is because we want to miss a lot of calls.
Come on, I use my phone for business everyday and I never have problems that you descripe. What did you expect then? That when you are messing with the software, all your problems will be solved?
I agree that some roms are more stable and faster then other roms. But that's the choice that you make when using them.
Some people are just not made for driving a car, maybe you are not made for flashing...
One last thing, change your topic title, it's not feedback it's flaming.
That's not flaming, that's giving advice. And it's (generally) good advice. Flashing ROMs is fun, tinkering with settings and mods etc. is fun. That's probably why a lot of us have stuck with WM for so long.
But my experience with flashing ROMs is pretty similar to the OPs. Fun, but ultimately most have too many bugs, quirks, and so on for people who don't use their mobile device as a toy. Also, the claims that this ROM or that ROM gives some great performance boost is mostly bunk. These speed gains are mostly imaginary.
Time after time, with every device I've had, I ultimately find that the closer to stock the phone is, the better it performs. That's not a flame on the chefs out there, I have a lot of admiration for them, and whenever I get a new phone I can't resist the urge to flash lots of ROMs and tinker, tinker, tinker. After a few months, though, when my phone becomes a tool rather than a new toy, I invariably go back to nearly stock.
On my Tilt 2, I'm running the "official" new Tilt 2 ROM (the one with Sense 2.5) and Cookies Home Tabs, and that's basically it.
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Yeah the reason that my dad and I use a custom rom (valkyre) is because we want to miss a lot of calls.
Come on, I use my phone for business everyday and I never have problems that you descripe. What did you expect then? That when you are messing with the software, all your problems will be solved?
I agree that some roms are more stable and faster then other roms. But that's the choice that you make when using them.
Some people are just not made for driving a car, maybe you are not made for flashing...
One last thing, change your topic title, it's not feedback it's flaming.
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comon i know you're pissed because you loosed the world cup ^^
(--> u see the difference ? that was a flame)
no seriously, don't be pissed i'm giving my point of view it's all.
besides, take it for what it is but i'm a system engineer..I think flashing a pda is counting within the things I can do
sure i didn't test them ALL..but like 20 of them.. after that, it's only a matter of time..
and this thread is because, now my estimation is that I spend enough time trying..
maybe i could point out "the professional user who doesn't want to spend 4 months searching around" ..ok ok u got it xD
but i think u got also what i meaned
Does that mean all the issues with current ICS based ROMs on the DZ will be able to be resolved completely?
Or will it just affect the camera related problems?
Also will CM team then release an official DZ release?
I only ask because it seems like the DHD guys are making some progress with HTC.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30099204&postcount=731
Cheers guys.
Well IF (and that's a pretty big IF considering that we've had plenty of headway with camera stuff on the DZ/G2 end) they were to actually release for example full sources and such it would probably aid to the camera.
However on the DZ/G2 side we already got the andreno libs and such from them over a week ago, it's... complicated.
and PS: the link you provided isn't what I'd call "progress", until we actually see something from HTC. Remember this is the same company that 'confirmed' on 4 or 5 separate instances that the DesireHD was getting ICS from them and to not worry, only to all the sudden not get it.
I wasn't aware that HTC had released new libraries for the device, hope everyone can put them to good use.
Yeah maybe no official progress but you have to commend them for their effort so far.
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I wasn't aware that HTC had released new libraries for the device, hope everyone can put them to good use.
Yeah maybe no official progress but you have to commend them for their effort so far.
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It's already incorporated as best as can be into the Andromadus branch that I know of and just bout any rom that kangs off that. (getting it going on JB is still a different story since they're meant for ICS).
What I saw is that the most recent quarterly earning reminded HTC that they actually need to keep their customer happy to get the hard earned money.
Even though I am sure I won't buy HTC again until they show some real commitment to update their devices, keep pressuring the heck out of them is a good idea so just tell me if there's another petition.