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Attention NOOBS. I'm becoming less patient with your posts that include whining and redundancy. This forum isn't here to provide you with all the comforts of your carrier. These roms and installing them is for people who are advanced users of WM. If you need your device for work and you're new to PocketPCs this isn't the place for you. These roms aren't for you so please stick to your carriers’ rom.
WM6 is new. SO NEW that Third-Party app developers haven't gotten all their fixes in. Our ROM chefs aren't responsible for those errors. Research and develop a fix, wait until someone develops a fix, or wait for the app developer...But before installing a rom you need to weigh whether or not it is worth it to loose some of your favorite apps. If you must have SPB plus and you read that people are having issues with it don't install the rom UNLESS you want to help find the fix. IF NOT...WAIT until the app developer upgrades their app. Don't install it and then post complaints and threads.
The chefs of these roms aren't here to help you setup your device and to solve all of your issues. If you have issues read, search and fix them. The research is part of the fun...finding fixes is part of the fun. Finding new ways to configure your device and setups is FUN. By asking first you're not participating in the best part of the forum.
As for fixing the "noob" issue...I think there is one pretty good solution.
I think the only way to fix such an issue is to either restrict new users from posting in the the WM6 forums for a period of time after joining. Hopefully you'll use that period of time to read. Because if you choose to install a rom and you know you can't ask a question you'll probably be more apt to read.
I'm not anti-noob. I was a noob once and I am still a noob in many ways. I also know that there are some good noobs in the forum. But I'm tired of taking the time to read the threads for critical information and coming across posts for how to install a new theme or where did the backlight on my keyboard go. That's where your user manual or the HTC website comes in. For Cingular people you have a great resource over @ the Cingular forums.
This is a community of like minded technical individuals. This is not HTC tech support or your carriers support. No one here owes you ANYTHING. You install a rom it's on you. If you can't take the responsibility then don't install the rom. It's pretty simple really.
I just had to get that off my chest. I'm sick and cranky but that only played a small role.
Again TIP YOUR CHEF!!!!! and donate to XDA. To all of you that make this a interactive vibrant technical-minded environment THANK YOU!
X (donning flame suit)
Helping is useless you just get bashed for it. Instead of putting useless programs that the "chef" uses they could spend that time using the carrier files located in the rom kitchen to help out users which takes all of what 3 minutes if that to recompile for a carrier. This would be much more productive then *****ing when someone tries to help by doing that. It's a joke suggesting someone help when they get nothing but grief and sarcasm when they do.
the time it takes to put "useless" apps in a rom is about 40 seconds.
99.9percent of the time is spent on optimizing the OS to ensure i runs efficiently and stable.
Carrier settings are a big no no as the ROMS being developed should be portable from one carrier to another. the perosn who installs the ROM should know what their carrier settings are etc.... not the ROM chefs.
EDIT: there is a fine line between "helping" (ie developing a fix and posting it in the official rom thread) as compared to re-releasing the hard work that went into optimizing wm6 etc and just adding one XML customization (what you did)
Also note, that recompiling a compressed ROM will cause issues to the people that have installed it. you must decompile the original OS.nb that hasnt been compressed.
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the time it takes to put "useless" apps in a rom is about 40 seconds.
99.9percent of the time is spent on optimizing the OS to ensure i runs efficiently and stable.
Carrier settings are a big no no as the ROMS being developed should be portable from one carrier to another. the perosn who installs the ROM should know what their carrier settings are etc.... not the ROM chefs.
EDIT: there is a fine line between "helping" (ie developing a fix and posting it in the official rom thread) as compared to re-releasing the hard work that went into optimizing wm6 etc and just adding one XML customization (what you did)
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Yes, you have proved you dont give a **** seeing you post the files that dont work
tell WPbear that and the hundreds of people that got cingular working with that.
And just to remind you its not my job to ensure u set up your carrier. You found a fix, damn mate, post it in the thread.
Although this is an open source community in a way, it is still harmful to the developrs if their work is ripped off without courtesy. ASk first then post later, not post first and hope its ok!
this matter of discussion will stop right now. by the fact that your posts were deleted by mods is a clear sign that you push the boundaries of helping.
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this matter of discussion will stop right now. by the fact that your posts were deleted by mods is a clear sign that you push the boundaries of helping.
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You must have missed the part where I could care less if they were or not? Who are you to say when this will or will not stop? I could care less if you have more pull here or not the forum is bullsit pulling favortism.
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Attention NOOBS. I'm becoming less patient with your posts that include whining and redundancy. This forum isn't here to provide you with all the comforts of your carrier. These roms and installing them is for people who are advanced users of WM. If you need your device for work and you're new to PocketPCs this isn't the place for you. These roms aren't for you so please stick to your carriers’ rom.
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Again TIP YOUR CHEF!!!!! and donate to XDA. To all of you that make this a interactive vibrant technical-minded environment THANK YOU!
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I agree with you that people shouldn't have complained too much on this and that regarding the ROMs cooked by our good fellows.
However I believe there is a better way pursuading people instead of yelling here, in this way you are not much different from those people.
Also you make sounds like it's a must to donate. Well I believe ROM chefs were doing this voluntarily without any intension to collect money. It would be nice for people to donate as a kind of support, but putting it this way may have make it sounds like there are financial motivations behind this ROM cooking thihg.
Anyway, well done CHEFs, keep it up.
AdamZhang said:
I agree with you that people shouldn't have complained too much on this and that regarding the ROMs cooked by our good fellows.
However I believe there is a better way pursuading people instead of yelling here, in this way you are not much different from those people.
Also you make sounds like it's a must to donate. Well I believe ROM chefs were doing this voluntarily without any intension to collect money. It would be nice for people to donate as a kind of support, but putting it this way may have make it sounds like there are financial motivations behind this ROM cooking thihg.
Anyway, well done CHEFs, keep it up.
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no its not a must to donate... but its nice to be appreciated especially when the 'CHEF' has spend hours upon hours of his time and experience to benefit the community... honestly where would we be without these guys??? we would have locked handsets and be stuck with crappy carrier ROM's...
Hmmm
The noobs who post the ridiculous questions that have been answered many times before are (by their very nature) highly unlikely to read or care about this thread.....
Whilst I agree with some of the underlying points (read the wiki and the threads, use the search function etc) surely the more people who get interested in these devices, the wider they will be available and the better support etc from the carriers and htc will be available, meaning people here can spend more time developing rather than fixing bugs? The initial post just reads as if basically if you are not an experienced developer then you can just **** off. Not sure if (a) that is how it was meant or (b) that is the majority view.
Me thinks that xultar and custel need to grow up! Although you both evidently came into this as experts(sic), some others did not have your apparent vast wealth of experience to fall back on. To insult senior members, mods, and our chefs is unacceptable behavior! I, and I am sure others, are hoping to see you go!
The search functions can be a bit of a challenge....LOL, but insults and criticism are not needed.....Do us all a favor and just leave!
Okay.....there's my 4 cents worth..........
Later
NOOBS are ok i guess, but I like like BOOBS much more! We need more BOOBS around here! ;-)
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NOOBS are ok i guess, but I like like BOOBS much more! We need more BOOBS around here! ;-)
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Even better NOOBS with BOOBS,
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Even better NOOBS with BOOBS,
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... or boobs with noobs
ROFLMAO!!!
Same song, different forums. Yes, the noobs need to read the wiki and learn more, but we've all been there and need to remember what it was like getting yelled at in the forums. Yes, some of the "experts" think they're on a pedestal and can be huge jerks, but they've seen the same 10 questions about 1000 times and they help create noob resources like the wiki and the cool roms. Most of us are sitting in the middle just watching both sides screaming and thinking, "it's just a forum, wtf?"
I realize that the real issue began because of all the noobs bricking their phones trying to do things they don't fully understand and the animosity that comes from the ROM archive being removed as an indirect result. In case no one has noticed, this is not exactly an underground site and has become pretty popular with the increasing popularity of HTC products and the fine work that many of the contributors here have done. (Not to mention all the ppc sites that have linked to this one.)
The original post had some good points and I think was well-intended, however, Custel and Jasjamming decided to bring their personal beef with each other into it. If you two would like to argue with each other, feel free to use the private message function. Neither of you are helping this topic and only furthering the idea that a low post count means you're flame bait and a high post count means that you're allowed to tell people what they can and cannot post openly in the threads despite not being a mod. The moral here? We're all part of the same community here, so stop pissing on the neighbor's flowers and just tell him calmly that you're allergic while keeping in mind the other neighbors might like them.
As for the noobs destroying their phones with software they didn't understand and asking really simple over-asked questions, maybe we should make a quiz of basic information that pertains to each model and the information needed to do basic mods to them that all members have to answer with a certain percentage of success before allowing posts or access to download links (exluding a few basic forums). Each group that's active enough could make up their own pop quiz (Hermes, Trinity, etc...). All questions sourced from the wiki of course. Just a thought, since the only other suggestion seems to be to scream at the new guys and tell them to read (and search, which btw, really sucks on most forums since you have to know exactly what you're searching for to find anything useful in many cases).
having successfully upgraded several different models of HTC device to WinMo6 I know that there's very little risk from the process and a hell of a lot to gain.
Nobody here with a new-ish handset that's considering the upgrade is destitute and penniless, considering what the devices cost I'm beginning to wonder why donations to either the chefs or XDA devs isn't the norm...
Seriously, there are a lot of tight bastards around here, more than there are 'new' users who can't be arsed to use the search before opening the 30th thread asking for help on the exact same issue.
Post from a NOOB
Guys,
Let me give you a viewpoint from a NOOB. I would not call myself technically challenged nor lazy, but definitely new to this wonderful forum where some people who are way more cooler than me have found ways to help me make better use of my handheld than what I had stock.
Yes, I read the Hermes wiki checked through all (or the threads I thought were relevant) to make sure that this was something I wanted to (and could) do without bricking my expensive device. Even though I thought I read quite a lot, and did everything the wiki said, after I did something I could not verify whether what I did worked or not (like the time I SuperCID-ed my phone and did not know what the steps where to confirm it happened). So I ask. Some times people answer my questions, sometime they dont.
Yes, noobs need to know not to quote large message chunks, they need to read before they ask. I agree to all that. But some people say things like if you are not technical dont even bother to be here, that's insulting.
Though I read and re-read Xultar's initial post and I did not see anything there that really insulted me. I think he had a valid point that if you think you are faint of heart, please stick to your carrier's forum. These forums and this great site is for those adventurers (it just gives me an ego boost to think that way ;-)) who like to go where no man has gone before.
I have been here probably 2 weeks, and I feel like I found a place where I can belong. I just wish I were cool enough to really cook some ROMS. But I think I can get started in small ways.
Jasjamming, I understand your frustration when people take what you have taken great pains in doing and then repackage it, especially without your permission. No excuses for that. But it does not behoove for someone of your stature in this community to bad mouth people. I (and am sure more noobs like me) look up to people like you, kyphur and LVSW who can do things that most of us can just dream about. Just let go or I am sure that the moderators of this forum can remove those posts without much problem.
Sorry for the long rant, but I like this place. And felt I had to weigh in on this conversation.
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You must have missed the part where I could care less if they were or not? Who are you to say when this will or will not stop? I could care less if you have more pull here or not the forum is bullsit pulling favortism.
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its not about pulling favoritism, its about respect... if you want to use someone else's work for your own then ask permission from the creator and give credit where credits due... the chefs work hard on what they do, kyphur, jasjamming, etc.. all of them.. spend countless hours developing cooked roms for everyone, donations or not.. If you dont like the rules of the community then there are other boards you can point your browser to. Most of the times when you ask permission then the chef will be more than happy to lend you a hand...
Now everyone play nice or find a different board.
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its not about pulling favoritism, its about respect... if you want to use someone else's work for your own then ask permission from the creator and give credit where credits due... the chefs work hard on what they do, kyphur, jasjamming, etc.. all of them.. spend countless hours developing cooked roms for everyone, donations or not.. If you dont like the rules of the community then there are other boards you can point your browser to. Most of the times when you ask permission then the chef will be more than happy to lend you a hand...
Now everyone play nice or find a different board.
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Please delete this thread. I'll send a PM to a Mod as well.
Thanks.
I am a newbie here, just joint the community not too long ago. However noted that all the good cooks went missing? Previously, every month there be a number of new roms being released? However, lately not much of new roms being released? Where have all the good cook went? Will here be a 'ghost' town especially with the forthcoming Kaiser?
Just my 2 cents of opinion?
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I am a newbie here, just joint the community not too long ago. However noted that all the good cooks went missing? Previously, every month there be a number of new roms being released? However, lately not much of new roms being released? Where have all the good cook went? Will here be a 'ghost' town especially with the forthcoming Kaiser?
Just my 2 cents of opinion?
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I think they finally realised there is more to life than a stupid phone.
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I think they finally realised there is more to life than a stupid phone.
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Oooh, you'll catch hell for that one...
I think with WM6 being released, it has taken the punch out of some of the cooks fun\obsession. Also there has been several good kitchens released that allow for just about anybody to cook their own rom just how they want it. Check out the Pandora thread it's great!
I hope they reappear for the Kaiser.
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I think they finally realised there is more to life than a stupid phone.
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Pff...What the hell are you doing here on this forum, if you think most of us dont live a normal life, like we are all nerds or people with no life.. because most of us like to modify our phone..
Look in the miror, you will see the person with no life..
Bro Bram87,
Please don't start flamming over here.... just a discussion wil do. Everyone here loves their Hermes!
waiting for wm7...
The real reason is that the production WM6 release is very stable & fast
Some cooks are still here... We still have some Betas... That means LIFE
Err i think the cooks are here, its just all the roms out there dont really need any improvement now?
if you try a few of the latest ones, you will see you'll have very little rom related issues, so no need, to cook, and improve the roms!
fil,
Yes I do agree, the current batch of roms are very stable and fast. But however, I do find that a cook is always a cook, whereby the perfection will never take place, always challenging till the end!
my 2 cents of opinion...
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However noted that all the good cooks went missing?
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Pardon me?
I'll agree with the others... it's getting pretty difficult to improve on the Hermes ROM at this point. Working on it, though.
Aside from the facts that there are some excellent chefs still in the hermes kitchen, that the roms are probably near completition for WM6 etc - I think what drove a lot of the cooks away was a combination of the constant flaming that seems to go on in the Hermes forums - I typically find most of it pretty funny but reading through some of the other forums I am always surprised how there is nowhere near as much flaming going on. That and I think they got sick of people complaining there rom broke this or that when it was something stupid the person did and didn't follow the instructions or do a simple search for the solution. I could easily see how that could put somebody off of releasing to the public something they worked so hard to make.
Regardless of all that, there are some great chefs about - VP3g, Schapps, Duttythroy, Dutty (I think still puts out roms), JasJamming (though he doesn't realse them here any more - somebody usually post a link when he does). If I forgot to mention you or butchered the spelling of your name - sorry - not intentional
I think the cooks on here are doing an excellent job! the problem is Microsoft now is starting to do some sh** right and making a fast rom for our phone. I've tried every rom on xda that I could find at least once to test them. It's just getting harder for the cooks to cook better roms when they are working with the software that is released and taking their time to help us.
Just remember its like the military the stuff they've have for 10 years is just new to citizens. its kinda similar with wm6 just give em time and until then enjoy the awesome roms that we have!!!!
.... or you could build your own if your that risky.
Why is allmost every rom on this forum dumplocked?
Do people have something to hide, or is it something else?
Is it mayb that people don't want to share things anymore(the main part where xda thrives on)?
Do the chefs who learned from copying and examining others work have some kind of arrogance, somekind of thought that noone may copy their work?
I personally find this a crappy way of work here on xda.
Any other thoughts on this?
Gr. Bram
Try with my ROMs, nothing is locked.
bram_smulders said:
Why is every rom on this forum dumplocked?
Do people have something to hide, or is it something else?
Is it mayb that people don't want to share things anymore(the main part where xda thrives on)?
Do the chefs who learned from copying and examining others work have some kind of arrogance, somekind of thought that noone may copy their work?
I personally find this a crappy way of work here on xda.
Any other thoughts on this?
Gr. Bram
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This is thin ice you stepped on!
I am a retired Chef myself. I always protected my ROMs from being dumped. The main reason is that packages and tweaks mainly added through the rgus are the result of many many hours of research, countless flashes, testing and work.
Packages are all over the place, so are the cabs.
The majority of tweaks can be found anywhere.
But it's just unfair when a Chef collects everthing he needs for his kitchen throughout time and someone who is just beginning to cook dumps it, replaces a few packages and voila, a new ROM from a new Chef, as good as the old dumped ROM.
It's not about hiding, it's about somehow protecting endless hours of work that just don't pay back.
I know my ROMs were intended for my own use, but somehow decided to share them, I believe most Chefs around here pretty much do the same with their work, so it is a huge favor this sharing.
bram_smulders said:
Why is every rom on this forum dumplocked?
Do people have something to hide, or is it something else?
Is it mayb that people don't want to share things anymore(the main part where xda thrives on)?
Do the chefs who learned from copying and examining others work have some kind of arrogance, somekind of thought that noone may copy their work?
I personally find this a crappy way of work here on xda.
Any other thoughts on this?
Gr. Bram
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I also find it very strange.... the only reasoning I can think is people don´t want their working copied but hey I completely agree with you it´s a very strange way to work as, certainly for me, this forum has always been about sharing. Sharing knowledge, information, ideas, ROMs, creativity and most of all a passion for these devices... it´s a real shame.
Thankfully though, in my experience, most the experienced chefs here are very willing to help out to us aspiring new chefs with pointers and files we need to build a decent kitchen.
I cook for myself really but ended up releasing a few of my ROMs when I have a bit more time to support them but I must admit I´m not bothered about people re-cooking them if they want. I´m just happy that the peolpe here get the most out of their Diamond.
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This is thin ice you stepped on!
I am a retired Chef myself. I always protected my ROMs from being dumped. The main reason is that packages and tweaks mainly added through the rgus are the result of many many hours of research, countless flashes, testing and work.
Packages are all over the place, so are the cabs.
The majority of tweaks can be found anywhere.
But it's just unfair when a Chef collects everthing he needs for his kitchen throughout time and someone who is just beginning to cook dumps it, replaces a few packages and voila, a new ROM from a new Chef, as good as the old dumped ROM.
It's not about hiding, it's about somehow protecting endless hours of work that just don't pay back.
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Allright i can live with that, BUT, what are we doing right here?
Microsoft and HTC engineers also spend many hours on their precious work, pushing the limits of WM. If we all must respect hard work, then we should not dump roms of those guys either.
I feel strongly that this is an open community an that requires that everything is open, i've cooked many roms but never thought about protecting it.
I'ts MY hobby, and if i want to implement(find) tweaks and enhancements it's for MY satisfaction. I dont care if someone from here dumps my rom and steals all of MY found tweaks.
Let him learn about rom cooking by inspecting my rom, i dont give a ****, in this way the community gets stronger.
And by the way, if the chefs have nothing to hide and share their tweaks on the forum, why not open their roms?
Gr. bram
I'm not flaming that chefs, but i'm posting out my opinion about this.
I can totally get into the thought of those guys.
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I also find it very strange.... the only reasoning I can think is people don´t want their working copied but hey I completely agree with you it´s a very strange way to work as, certainly for me, this forum has always been about sharing. Sharing knowledge, information, ideas, ROMs, creativity and most of all a passion for these devices... it´s a real shame.
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Sharing is one, stealilng and taking credit for someone else's work is another thing. And look at this beyond the Forum. Do you have any idea how many places host, discuss, etc. the ROMs made here? I don't want to get into details, but this is how it works. ROMs published are downloaded and posted on some other forums, where some other cooks try to do something with them. When they manage, they've got themselves a new ROM with upgoing rep and paypal ballance! You should really look into this. I know my ROMs were subject to such on some other forums.
But if this is still not enough for you, there is always an option to start learning how to cook, dump an Official ROM, port it (if it's the case), make a baserom, collect all your packages, collect and edit all your registries, skin till you drop, test for a week or so, build and release without protection.
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Microsoft and HTC engineers also spend many hours on their precious work, pushing the limits of WM.
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Yes, maybe because dumping and cooking is grey field towards illegal. There's a really thin line between legal and illegal, but that's some other stuff I don't want to get into.
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Sharing is one, stealilng and taking credit for someone else's work is another thing. And look at this beyond the Forum. Do you have any idea how many places host, discuss, etc. the ROMs made here? I don't want to get into details, but this is how it works. ROMs published are downloaded and posted on some other forums, where some other cooks try to do something with them. When they manage, they've got themselves a new ROM with upgoing rep and paypal ballance! You should really look into this. I know my ROMs were subject to such on some other forums.
But if this is still not enough for you, there is always an option to start learning how to cook, dump an Official ROM, port it (if it's the case), make a baserom, collect all your packages, collect and edit all your registries, skin till you drop, test for a week or so, build and release without protection.
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I have spent days, weeks and perhaps months (to scared to add it up!!) reading and learning how to cook so I can see your point. In fact I have also been through this very experience here where somebody has posted my work on another forum and yes it was annoying but I think what Bram was trying to point out that as time goes by things are becoming more and more "closed". Perhaps due to the number of users now?? I´m not sure but it´s a debate that will always be here
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I have spent days, weeks and perhaps months (to scared to add it up!!) reading and learning how to cook so I can see your point. In fact I have also been through this very experience here where somebody has posted my work on another forum and yes it was annoying but I think what Bram was trying to point out that as time goes by things are becoming more and more "closed". Perhaps due to the number of users now?? I´m not sure but it´s a debate that will always be here
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It's not user quantity, it's user quality. You can never stop a user to register and you can never check his/her intentions when joining. Private Messaging always works and I don't think anyone contacted for help ever refused on this Forum (I'm referring to Chefs). I've been helped by stranger fellow XDA Chefs and I helped stranger Chefs myself. But won't go for putting everything on a silver tray to some second hand B forum Chef.
As for XDA DEVELOPERS, here's a hint of what it is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
christonge said:
In fact I have also been through this very experience here where somebody has posted my work on another forum and yes it was annoying but I think what Bram was trying to point out that as time goes by things are becoming more and more "closed". Perhaps due to the number of users now??
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This experience is very nasty, but you cant entirely stop it. Someone flash your rom, the dump it the "device way", he has an exact copy of it.
Thats in a way true how i feel, i have a feeling lately that this forum is becoming closed, everyone keeping stuff for their selves. Wich in a way i can understand that(all the hard work etc.) but then the "openness" of this forum is slightly dripping away.
In my time in the wizard forums there was no such thing, every cook tried to help the other out. If a tweak(or something else new) was found, they posted it right away. Or cooked it into rom, and encoraged others to take it from them.
Lately in the diamond furoms i have the feeling some people don't want to share anymore, just the credit of a great rom.
Wich they have to know and do theirselves, but i'm against such a way of work here.
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Yes, maybe because dumping and cooking is grey field towards illegal. There's a really thin line between legal and illegal, but that's some other stuff I don't want to get into.
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I was't talking about illegal stuff here(becouse all we do is illegal) but about the morale to steal from someone.
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But won't go for putting everything on a silver tray to some second hand B forum Chef.
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I totally understand that, but i feel strongly against it(my opinion)
gr. bram
tnyynt said:
It's not user quantity, it's user quality. You can never stop a user to register and you can never check his/her intentions when joining. Private Messaging always works and I don't think anyone contacted for help ever refused on this Forum (I'm referring to Chefs). I've been helped by stranger fellow XDA Chefs and I helped stranger Chefs myself. But won't go for putting everything on a silver tray to some second hand B forum Chef.
As for XDA DEVELOPERS, here's a hint of what it is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
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Great post by kyphur.... and I agree. As I posted above I have been helped by many great chefs here since I start with my Hermes, then with my Kaiser and Polaris and now here on Diamond and most of it has been done by PM. As for giving everything on a silver tray... well I think it´s a personal choice and I personally don´t think to much about it when I have posted my ROMs but hey maybe I have a different take on things
All I know is I am personally very very gratefull to many people who contribute to this forum and I have mentioned most of them in the past when posting my ROMs but as I said before this debate will always run.....
Chefs do it mainly to protect there investment in time. They have no reason to give you the ROMs, so why should you complain when they do things?
I personally do not do anything to protect my ROM, other than grouping files under one dsm to save space - the overheads for DSM files are quite big - rather than to stop people dumping the ROMs.
Why should we as chefs give you anything?
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Chefs do it mainly to protect there investment in time. They have no reason to give you the ROMs, so why should you complain when they do things?
I personally do not do anything to protect my ROM, other than grouping files under one dsm to save space - the overheads for DSM files are quite big - rather than to stop people dumping the ROMs.
Why should we as chefs give you anything?
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I dont say they haven got the right close roms, I just dont feel like that, and wanted to know if there are some others who think the same.
For me this is an open forum so all what i do is open, if other decide otherwise, let that be, i dont mind.
My point is that i feel that the forum is getting more to a closed forum rather that coming together, and just wanted to know if i was the only one.
Mayb is misformed my statement in the first post.
If this thread is non constructive, please close and/or delete it.
gr. bram
ps. i dont intend to flame anyone, i respect everyones work & decisions!
Protection of investment of time is a good reason.
Another good reason to protect ROMs is:
Stop the wild-groth of ROM-releases.
Every wanabee chef nowadays uses a simple kitchen, trows in a already cooked ROM.
Changes a few packages and a splashscreen, and trows it on the forum as something new.
I don't call that cooking, that is trowing something into the microwave (after putting ketchup on it)!
Also removing all RGU's and replacing DSM files by a single one does improve the device!.
Your personal tweaks aren't directly visible (like it would in a rgu).
Your own privatly build packages are more difficult to steal/recycle by a third party.
Also Nofi,
Regards,
EqX
the-equinoxe said:
Protection of investment of time is a good reason.
Another good reason to protect ROMs is:
Stop the wild-groth of ROM-releases.
Every wanabee chef nowadays uses a simple kitchen, trows in a already cooked ROM.
Changes a few packages and a splashscreen, and trows it on the forum as something new.
I don't call that cooking, that is trowing something into the microwave (after putting ketchup on it)!
Also removing all RGU's and replacing DSM files by a single one does improve the device!.
Your personal tweaks aren't directly visible (like it would in a rgu).
Your own privatly build packages are more difficult to steal/recycle by a third party.
Also Nofi,
Regards,
EqX
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Fully Agree also some roms are targets for other people who waits to steal your work and also cover it and and re-build it up its thiers.
I do protect my roms for more than one reasons which I cant say, but time is also one big factor to do with it.
bram totally respect u as a chef, but things have change so much now since XDA have expanded in worldwide website and also other forums lark on this site to steal other works
Ready meals are nice though!
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Ready meals are nice though!
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and I suppose even better when they´re spoon feed!
I see all your points and respect them completely.... we are all here for similar reasons and that´s the beauty of this forum. I agree with dutty that things have changed a lot, even in the time I´ve been here.
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Fully Agree also some roms are targets for other people who waits to steal your work and also cover it and and re-build it up its thiers.
I do protect my roms for more than one reasons which I cant say, but time is also one big factor to do with it.
bram totally respect u as a chef, but things have change so much now since XDA have expanded in worldwide website and also other forums lark on this site to steal other works
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100% agree,
I believe we are all willing to share, but one bad apple will mess it up for everyone.
duttythroy said:
Fully Agree also some roms are targets for other people who waits to steal your work and also cover it and and re-build it up its thiers.
I do protect my roms for more than one reasons which I cant say, but time is also one big factor to do with it.
bram totally respect u as a chef, but things have change so much now since XDA have expanded in worldwide website and also other forums lark on this site to steal other works
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Exactly my thoughts!
I'm not part of the Diamond community... yet... but I'd like to give opinion on the subject.
I've been cooking for a while for trinity users, and as many chefs here, I've spent countless hours analyzing official ROMs, and even other chefs ROMs, reading, searching, testing, to better understand the whole cooking process, to improve myself.
Along the way I've had many questions, problems, and so on, and so on... Mainly I was fortunate enough to have had a great teacher and friend, and also the basis to build my work on.
This happened in a time when it all was a passion, when it was about making the ROMs better(not just customize them but also to improve them in performance and/or stability), but now?... Well, now it's more about having the best ROM, with more downloads... and ultimately more donations...
I have nothing against chefs, or developers, or whatever, being rewarded for their work, hell, I have a paypal link too(even though I don't really advertise it, it just sits there on my signature)!!
I guess the trigger for all this, was some chefs, making other chefs work their own without asking in the first place. If this really was sharing community, why not ask, instead of "stealing"? In the end it becomes a sort of a cooker's war, to see which one has the best security methods implemented on their ROM, and which one can get through that same security, so they can take instead of asking once again...
As l3v5y said, I also remove the RGUs and patch the DSM into one, for performance purposes, as colateral I get some protection against ROM package rebuilding, but I can only go so far. I have no programing skills whatsoever, so I couldn't protect my ROMs further, even if I wanted!!
I tottaly agree that with the growth in the number of members, comes a growth in new chefs, or chef wannabies, and if all is given away that easily, the forums will end up flooded with new ROMs. But on the other hand, I'm in favor of sharing. I'm just sad this is getting to a point where it get harder and harder to get some things that used to be available to everyone....
I could go on, but this is getting rather long... Sorry everyone!
I hate to admit it, but everyone has moved on to the HD2. They have pretty much everything working on the HD2 but there is no developers working on the Rhodium and we have no sound yet.
I really thank all the devs and everyone else involved into making Android run on our Rhodiums, but we gotta face the truth someday. It was fun and I cook WinMo ROMs for the Rhodium, but we gotta realize its dated. The only reason I still have my Rhodium is because it has a keyboard. I'm waiting for a humming bird core HTC phone with QWERTY to make the upgrade. I know some people are gonna flame. Its OK I understand you want to hold on to that Rhodium you have. We ALL do.
PS: Its sad seeing craiglisters selling Android for the HD2. I wish I could kill them all. They don't deserve any money since they did not do any of the work involved nor did they contribute ONE thing. This is why I hate scenes like the smartphone scene... People take credit for what isn't theirs.
yup its dead .. now lets move on.
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yup its dead .. now lets move on.
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LOL
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LOL
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Keep doing what you do Reefer, I am patiently waiting for the next update!
I'm getting sick of threads on this, I'm sure devs do not appreciate them either..
Why you gotta be so negative? They are doing their best they can so why don't you lock yourself in the closet and come out of there once android has been fully ported to our device
Knappad
I an getting a little woried that we have reached the point of no return. It would be helpfull if the devs did post updates to let use know where we stand. I am not giving up hope just yet. I can't upgrade for quite some time and don't want to pay out the nose for something that could give me just what I am looking for.
Just want so feedback from devs to know what's up?
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I an getting a little woried that we have reached the point of no return. It would be helpfull if the devs did post updates to let use know where we stand. I am not giving up hope just yet. I can't upgrade for quite some time and don't want to pay out the nose for something that could give me just what I am looking for.
Just want so feedback from devs to know what's up?
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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.
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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.
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Keep up the good work. Ignore the leeches. All they do is take. They dont realize that their purpose should be to test and return feedback on the testing. Instead they seem to think that this forum is like you said, full of customer service reps. Its pathetic.
Anyhow, there are tons of people who appreciate all of the developers work and look forward to more updates.
Yea Reefer, let em have it. I wish I could help more to unlock the potential of this phone. It really is a pretty slick device that just wasn't given enough polish or muscle. I researched the purchase of it for months beforehand and don't want to just give it up now.
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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.
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+1 This is essentially a hobby for these guys....
p.s. gimme-gimme
No one thinks this is CS, i flash a rom, install a kernel and it messes something up. There is no one better to ask than the devs that made the rom, right????? BOOOYEAH
OP, there is work being done on the sound issue, however it is slow going. I try following the development, but it's WAY over my head.
Reefer for president !!!
agreed its completely dead i envy all the hd2 ppl running android
You are absolutely correct very dead. You should just get HD2s and give me your TP2s.
or pre-order ur 4g Epic.. thats what i did..
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No one thinks this is CS, i flash a rom, install a kernel and it messes something up. There is no one better to ask than the devs that made the rom, right????? BOOOYEAH
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Wrong. they make a rom and put it on here for everyone. and lets say 50 people download it. and 25 of them have a problem with it. you realy thing that a dev has time to try and fix 25 peoples problems while at the same time make updates to the roms cause your demanding them? thats not how it works. if you install a rom and something goes wrong then you ask the 24 other people if any of them have had the same problem or found a fix. your a tester. if your getting the devs work for free. the least thing you could do is test it and let everyone know how it works.
Dated but not dead.
You may think its dead but for people who still own the TP2, like myself, would like to see this till the end. I still have another year with this phone before I can upgrade and I cant fork out 500+ dollars to buy a new one like the HD2 or Incredible. I'm sure there are others out there in the same situation. So just because you were able to move on with an upgrade doesn't mean its dead.
sound will be working in a matter of time acl is making head way on it over at ppcgeeks.
Since this is an older phone I'm thinking of trying to come up with a free Hard SPL and an unlocker for this phone. I know there is a HardSPL made by olinex group, but it only allows one free hardspl (I have 5 lines on my plan and thinking of getting TP2s for all of them) and theya re charging for the unlocking. I would like to check if there is still an interest in such a free tool. I don't want to spend a lot of time on something that I would only benefit from very few times and no one else would be interested in using.
Perhaps bug Olipro, see if he'd be willing to do that...? I can't imagine they're making too much money off the project anymore...
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Since this is an older phone I'm thinking of trying to come up with a free Hard SPL and an unlocker for this phone. I know there is a HardSPL made by olinex group, but it only allows one free hardspl (I have 5 lines on my plan and thinking of getting TP2s for all of them) and theya re charging for the unlocking. I would like to check if there is still an interest in such a free tool. I don't want to spend a lot of time on something that I would only benefit from very few times and no one else would be interested in using.
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Yes, definitely.
Yeah please do it!! Im new to all this but I know I really need the HardSPL flash software.
It doesn't look like this phone is as popular any more. Only two people interested in this. So I'm definitely not going to dedicate a lot of time to this. So I might work on it when I have time to kill but will not give it high priority. I'll keep monitoring the thread to see if this changes.
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It doesn't look like this phone is as popular any more. Only two people interested in this. So I'm definitely not going to dedicate a lot of time to this. So I might work on it when I have time to kill but will not give it high priority. I'll keep monitoring the thread to see if this changes.
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If you go over to ppcgeeks.com I think you'll find it's still very popular.
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It doesn't look like this phone is as popular any more. Only two people interested in this. So I'm definitely not going to dedicate a lot of time to this. So I might work on it when I have time to kill but will not give it high priority. I'll keep monitoring the thread to see if this changes.
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It would be nice, i have just setup 10 devices without HSPL using stock Roms, but i would love to be able to freely HSPL phones we are looking at setting up about another 15 at this stage, we can get a lot of these phones for $190NZ.
If i was able to HSPL them we might get another 50+
It is true that these phones are getting older now, but in saying that they are a good quality phone that preforms as expected no matter what i throw at it.
Well, count me as third one And nand is coming for the tp2, so interest will grow.
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Well, count me as third one And nand is coming for the tp2, so interest will grow.
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Coming? 'tis here...
Yes, but that thread says [testing]. Thats ok, because for me [stable] is less interesting. But my wife definitely wants [stable] and doesn't want to make an exception to that general rule when it comes to her phone
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It doesn't look like this phone is as popular any more. Only two people interested in this. So I'm definitely not going to dedicate a lot of time to this. So I might work on it when I have time to kill but will not give it high priority. I'll keep monitoring the thread to see if this changes.
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One more person wants it!
After unlocking my first one, I really wanted to use it on the second one I found at a great price.
I have a great deal of respect for the folks (guy/gal) that originally cracked the boot loader, but it has been over a month since I requested to use it on a second device, and despite polite correspondence, my "ticket" is still "open".
I can understand them being busy with newer devices, but I think it is kind of sad that they have the code, and will not even respond to requests for it.
A simple "we no longer support this device" would have been appreciated, as apposed to leaving people hanging for a ticket that will never be addressed.
Even kinder, if they are not gaining revenue from it, maybe set it free!
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After unlocking my first one, I really wanted to use it on the second one I found at a great price.
I have a great deal of respect for the folks (guy/gal) that originally cracked the boot loader, but it has been over a month since I requested to use it on a second device, and despite polite correspondence, my "ticket" is still "open".
I can understand them being busy with newer devices, but I think it is kind of sad that they have the code, and will not even respond to requests for it.
A simple "we no longer support this device" would have been appreciated, as apposed to leaving people hanging for a ticket that will never be addressed.
Even kinder, if they are not gaining revenue from it, maybe set it free!
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thanks
cajun
I've just used your keyboard fix after installing kwbr's Tilt 2 rom. Thank you very much, worked beautifully. I'd thank everyone on that thread except I'm not allowed.
Took me ages to get ActiveSync to work in XP, had to install a CAB supplied on the hard spl thread to get it to work. Thanks for your efforts.
I'd like to unlock mine just for the sake of it, plan on keeping it with sprint but who knows in future? which is why I'd unlock mine lol, but since I have no real need presently I'm not tempted enough to pay for it, since the cost of the unlock is more than what phone is now worth :S
Got an ebay replacement for my TP2 and got the "commercial" error message from the Rhodium HardSPL file. Not looking to jip anyone, just want to get my replacement back to the way my old phone was. PM'd Olipro, but I know they are busy (no response yet to ticket).
So if this thread leads to another way to HSPL these things then that would make my phone very happy.
Cajunflavoredbob, could you PM me too?
Thanks.
Count me in. I still use mine as primary phone, but will upgrade soon and nice to have unlocked. Also interested on the behind the scenes as to how it all worked, read the other thread in ppc a few minutes ago and wondered if there were any interest in this. Also wonder if anyone has the stuff from the other groups I could look at, even if it would not work for me.
Yeah I bought off eBay a bad ESN Verizon one for 40$ thinking it would have worked perfectly with GSM networks here in Italy to then find out that I would have had to pay another 20$ to Olinex just to unlock it. I owned one and paid that fee in 2009 (and that's why I bought one again... I loved it so much...) and he didn't ever answer my ticket where I was asking for this favor seeing I already donated and it would be dumb anyway to pay 20$ to unlock a 40$ worth phone...
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