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Can someone tell me why you cannot organize and even more important, have actual copies of your apps locally (on your home computer)?
I unfortunately own the lemon known as the Dell Venue Pro. I am now on my third one. And inbetween each return for defective items (the phone sucks in basic terms), an app in which I PURCHASED was removed from the marketplace (once by Microsoft and once by the developer). When the first phone went back, the Xbox Live game 'something' Blade (I forget the title of the side way shooter starring the psycho nun and the zombies) was removed from the marketplace. I had purchased it days before the unit crashed and was barely able to use it. While I was waiting for the new phone, the game was taken of the marketplace. Once I got the working phone, there was no way to reinstall or retrieve the app, since you are not allowed to own a copy locally. Microsoft had pulled the app due to content (game was not inappropriate at all compared to some of the others).
The second time I recieved a new phone was Thursday and the defective phone went back immediately. When I went to reinstall my apps (had to make a list of what I bought because I am not allowed to have them LOCALLY), to my suprise the developer of Doodle God removed it, to my best guess because they came out with almost the same game in Doodle Devil. So after pulling the game I contacted the developer and they pretty much told me that Doodle Devil is almost the same game and I could purchase that. What kind of crap is this?
So can someone explain why in all hell we are not allowed to locally organize and even more important OWN any of the apps we purchase. Essentially Doodle Devil seems to be an addon at best. So anytime a company wants to boost their sales of addons, all they have to do is delete their original app that many bought, and hope that if those original customers have since deleted them from their phone and will have to repurchase the "new version" if they want to use it again? This is ridiculous.
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Can someone tell me why you cannot organize and even more important, have actual copies of your apps locally (on your home computer)?
I unfortunately own the lemon known as the Dell Venue Pro. I am now on my third one. And inbetween each return for defective items (the phone sucks in basic terms), an app in which I PURCHASED was removed from the marketplace (once by Microsoft and once by the developer). When the first phone went back, the Xbox Live game 'something' Blade (I forget the title of the side way shooter starring the psycho nun and the zombies) was removed from the marketplace. I had purchased it days before the unit crashed and was barely able to use it. While I was waiting for the new phone, the game was taken of the marketplace. Once I got the working phone, there was no way to reinstall or retrieve the app, since you are not allowed to own a copy locally. Microsoft had pulled the app due to content (game was not inappropriate at all compared to some of the others).
The second time I recieved a new phone was Thursday and the defective phone went back immediately. When I went to reinstall my apps (had to make a list of what I bought because I am not allowed to have them LOCALLY), to my suprise the developer of Doodle God removed it, to my best guess because they came out with almost the same game in Doodle Devil. So after pulling the game I contacted the developer and they pretty much told me that Doodle Devil is almost the same game and I could purchase that. What kind of crap is this?
So can someone explain why in all hell we are not allowed to locally organize and even more important OWN any of the apps we purchase. Essentially Doodle Devil seems to be an addon at best. So anytime a company wants to boost their sales of addons, all they have to do is delete their original app that many bought, and hope that if those original customers have since deleted them from their phone and will have to repurchase the "new version" if they want to use it again? This is ridiculous.
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I feel for ya. That sounds very crappy...and a way MS seems to do business, as well. If the dev told you to buy the new version of the game you bought because of them deleting the old version, I would file suit with someone or demand they compensate me. My mouth would not cease till they resolved it. Fortunately I haven't purchased Doodle God or Doodle Devil. And I won't now.
Recently I saw that apps are now discriminating against root users(not allowing download/play). Do you think if apps would universally start doing this, would it cut down piracy or just push more root users to download illegally?
I for one believe it will have the latter effect, what do you guys think of this?
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I think if ppl would just stop acting so self-entitled, and stopped stealing ****, this would not even be an issue... Unfortunately - the world is full of idiots.. Only takes a few to ruin a good thing for all of us.
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Recently I saw that apps are now discriminating against root users(not allowing download/play). Do you think if apps would universally start doing this, would it cut down piracy or just push more root users to download illegally?
I for one believe it will have the latter effect, what do you guys think of this?
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So what are some example apps that are denying access if your phone is determined to be rooted? I've never run into one, and I can't imagine any popular app would resort to something so easily worked around.
(the workaround: temporarily move/rename the 'su' binary out of the PATH to "hide" it, since that's the method almost all apps would use to detect if you're rooted.)
To install a pirated app is allow unknown sources...anyone can do it, idk why they are discriminating....
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So what are some example apps that are denying access if your phone is determined to be rooted? I've never run into one, and I can't imagine any popular app would resort to something so easily worked around.
(the workaround: temporarily move/rename the 'su' binary out of the PATH to "hide" it, since that's the method almost all apps would use to detect if you're rooted.)
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Look up chaos rings by a little company called square enix. Looks like they are trying to crack down on app piracy(maybe Cuz of ff3 pirates?).
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I could care less about that kind of stuff if companies want to do that then they don't deserve my business or anybody else's business for that matter. Then just watch how fast the companies change their ways when nobody is buying their products
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some people cant afford to buy certain apps, like a 99$ navigation map for example. There are many different points of views...
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some people cant afford to buy certain apps, like a 99$ navigation map for example. There are many different points of views...
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So ppl can afford $400 - $600 (retail) and $200-ish smartphones, $50 - $100 a month contracts... yet they can't afford a $0.99 app.... please... that's total bs.
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So ppl can afford $400 - $600 (retail) and $200-ish smartphones, $50 - $100 a month contracts... yet they can't afford a $0.99 app.... please... that's total bs.
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Well said... I set up my "online" credit card for Google Play at $100. Its been like over an year now, n I still have cash left in it... And not one pirated app on my phone. Most of the apps are like a $ or two... and they are more like 1 time buying with free updates for life (well, many of them).
All it takes is a $ or 2 for an you love... so what's the big deal when you are paying like $100 something each month to the cell phone service provider.
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some people cant afford to buy certain apps, like a 99$ navigation map for example. There are many different points of views...
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Think about what you just said.
"...stealing is justified because the person who wants to steal feels that they are unwilling to pay the cost for the item...there are many points of view..."
Yeah...and the entitlement mindset "you have something that I feel that I'm entitled to and I don't care if I do something that's wrong...all that matters is that I get it...."...that's a point of view.
I've never understood people who use this rationale....stealing is stealing no matter how you justify it to make yourself feel better while you are doing it.
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What's the threshold for stealing? If it were only $50 then it wouldn't be ok? $25? If you can't afford a new car you couldn't just go steal one and have it be ok. And everyone knows "You wouldn't download a car."
If I don't want to pay what it's offered for then I just do without. People should look into dropping their entitlement complex.
On another note, I don't buy into the whole "It's not available in my locale" argument. Maybe I just don't fully understand it being in the US. I've seen many ways to fool your phone/the market to seeing a new locale (for free), and most apps I've ever bought have a direct buy version anyway.
Doesn't say anywhere that you have to pay for the apps. Me downloading an apk isn't theft. The original copy is still left intact. Pirates raid ships and steal. They don't make copies.
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Doesn't say anywhere that you have to pay for the apps. Me downloading an apk isn't theft. The original copy is still left intact. Pirates raid ships and steal. They don't make copies.
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Doesn't say anywhere that you have to pay for the apps. Me downloading an apk isn't theft. The original copy is still left intact. Pirates raid ships and steal. They don't make copies.
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If the app isn't offered for free by the developer and you obtain a copy without paying then you're stealing. If you want a warm fuzzy because you're stealing something that can be copied then go ahead and tell yourself that. You are still taking money out of the dev's pocket through theft.
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If the app isn't offered for free by the developer and you obtain a copy without paying then you're stealing. If you want a warm fuzzy because you're stealing something that can be copied then go ahead and tell yourself that. You are still taking money out of the dev's pocket through theft.
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This argument only stands if you intended to buy the app in the first place and if there weren't so many cases in which piracy increased sales rather than decreased them.
Of course, the opposite is true as well. There are a number of games out there where it was simply more prudent to pirate the game if you wanted to, you know, play it whenever you wanted (Cough, Ubisoft games, cough).
I understand that some people are morally outraged by piracy... but much like so many other things in life, not everyone is. I used to pirate like nobodies business.. but now that I make more money, I typically only pirate the game if I am unsure about it and it doesn't have a demo. If I like it, I go buy it. If not, I get rid of it. I also typically pirate games that have an obscenely restrictive DRM embedded... not because I want to play it but just because screw those guys for putting it in there. DRM increases piracy, not hinders it.
However, copyright infringement is not theft. It is not stealing. Nothing is removed from anywhere. No money is removed from the dev's pockets because it was never there in the first place. If the item couldn't be pirated, that person wouldn't magically have more money because a whole lot of the people that pirate do it because they can't afford it in the first place.
Not to mention, there are companies who don't consider piracy a bad thing: http://www.gamespot.com/news/angry-birds-dev-says-piracy-may-not-be-a-bad-thing-6349485
Not to mention all of these industries who are trying to fight piracy so hard are doing it in the utterly wrong way. People pirate movies? Ok, rather than make movies easy to obtain online and permanently owned just like a dvd copy... they make it abnormally difficult, with higher prices and restrictive licensing and DRM. They make movie ticket prices skyrocket. In short, they make it annoying as all hell to acquire a legitimate digital copy. On the flipside, you can go to google, type in the name of a movie (Say... I dunno, The Avengers), pull up a torrent site, hit download and bam, you now have a digital copy without drm you own.
Music is much the same way, though it is improving. It isn't a whole lot better but I have forsaken pirating music and simply listen to Pandora or Spotify.
TV shows are in the same bracket as movies. It would be so simply to, the night of or the day after showing a new episode, put it up for sale for a dollar or two for people to buy and own. Make it quick, cheap and simple and people will FLOCK to it. But they don't. So everyone just goes and watches Hulu or pirates it.
Games are a more unique sector. They have numerous methods of easily obtaining the games but these methods are getting more restrictive, with licensing and "If you piss us off, you lose everything you bought from us" rules. Origin does this, Steam... yeah, not a very good thing. Why spend all that time worrying about that if you only play single player? Just go pirate it, then nobody can take it from you, right? So we have easy methods of quickly obtaining games, but they keep adding on to their list of rules and restrictions. Steam is the best of the bunch and even they will remove all access to the hundreds to thousands of dollars of games you spent if you break a rule. Even they don't allow anything but arbitration suits. You know the times that most games make the largest amount of sales and profit on Steam? During the Summer Sale and Winter Sale. Dev's love those sales because sales skyrocket to the moon and beyond. Their profit skyrockets for a few weeks. These sales make it obvious what the problem is for a lot of people... money. Is it worth the money? Yeah... less games are these days than ever. Yay, $64.94 after tax for a new game... with 4 hours of gameplay! Awesome, I totally feel that was worth my money! I am definitely going to go buy Gears of War 2 now for another 4 hours of fun!
Is piracy wrong? According to society, yes. Is it even remotely as harmful as the corporations play it out to be? Not hardly.
Forbes:
"This is a negotiation where at any time, your customer could just go download the damn movie for free, and they’re doing you a favor by even considering picking it up legally. And you have the nerve to think it’s on YOUR terms? That’s not how negotiation works. It may not be right, but it’s reality, and they have to face it.
Yet movie companies threaten to put Netflix out of business by charging them huge amounts of money to have access to their content. Netflix is in the forefront of the war on piracy, and the studios don’t even seem to understand it. It’s incredible."
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And everyone knows "You wouldn't download a car."
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Yes. Yes I would. If I could, I most certainly would.
Everything in the world should be open source. Open source coding languages are being used to code these apps. For the most part. So why is it right for someone to charge money for something they built using free software? If I were a dev, I'd open up all my code to the community so we can all improve upon it.
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I used to pirate apps...when i was a dumb teenager with little money. Now, i buy ALL my apps, how hard is it to pay 0.99$ for most apps, or even 5$ for the most premium, you not only get regular updates and you also say thank you to the guy that spent time and money to bring you something cool. If people were not so lazy or had higher goals in life than working for a fast food or grocery store, maybe they'd didn't care to pay that little price. The only thing i still pirate is movies, and it's strictly for convenience because here in Canada, our Netflix sucks pretty bad, our video store rent movies for 1/4 of the price of buying it new, and i live a good 30 minutes away from the closest video store. So i have no choice to download if i want to see a movie. But i regularly go to the theaters.
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I used to pirate apps...when i was a dumb teenager with little money. Now, i buy ALL my apps, how hard is it to pay 0.99$ for most apps, or even 5$ for the most premium, you not only get regular updates and you also say thank you to the guy that spent time and money to bring you something cool. If people were not so lazy or had higher goals in life than working for a fast food or grocery store, maybe they'd didn't care to pay that little price. The only thing i still pirate is movies, and it's strictly for convenience because here in Canada, our Netflix sucks pretty bad, our video store rent movies for 1/4 of the price of buying it new, and i live a good 30 minutes away from the closest video store. So i have no choice to download if i want to see a movie. But i regularly go to the theaters.
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You just said pirating is for dumb, broke teenagers. Yet, you pirate movies. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Whether you pirate a 99 cent app, or a $40 bluray, you're still a pirate.
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You just said pirating is for dumb, broke teenagers. Yet, you pirate movies. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Whether you pirate a 99 cent app, or a $40 bluray, you're still a pirate.
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I believe that he is saying that he would buy the movies if it wasn't such an inconvenience where he lives.
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http://majorgeeks.com/story.php?id=38037
All adblocking apps have been removed officially by Google.
I'm honestly surprised that it didn't happen sooner. Ad revenue taken from developers causes developers to cease development of apps because they aren't making any money at all. Let's face it, most of us don't buy apps. I get ad supported apps and Amazon's free app of the day. I have bought maybe 5 apps since I got the Hero when it came out...
^^ agreed ^^ it's their app their choice. You're choice to use it or not. Sucks but the way it is.
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That does suck. That was the biggest reason I rooted half of my phones...:crying:
I buy most of the apps I use. But it's just a hosts file.
Like most others here, if I don't want ads I buy the app. Devs survive on ad revenue with their free apps. I'm not trying to step on any toes, I'm no saint either, but it's not the least bit surprising that a company who gets a lot of it's money through ad revenue removed ad-blocking apps from it's marketplace. Couple bucks gets you an ad free app usually and keeps food on the dev's tables.
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Like most others here, if I don't want ads I buy the app. Devs survive on ad revenue with their free apps. I'm not trying to step on any toes, I'm no saint either, but it's not the least bit surprising that a company who gets a lot of it's money through ad revenue removed ad-blocking apps from it's marketplace. Couple bucks gets you an ad free app usually and keeps food on the dev's tables.
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I usually buy the paid apps as well, but there are free apps that don't have the option to pay to remove ads. That's where my adaway comes in. Anyway I'm sure you'll be able to find these apps on the Internet so no reason to worry
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If it's gonna make more devs, company create more apps/games for the android market then why not. I think little by little they will try to emulate the apple store with limitations and more restrictions . but like dude above me said just get the free app elsewhere, kinda the same deal with flash no biggie.
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I support apps that are worth the money, like ROM ToolBox, Carbon Backup, Nova (and not all of these even have ads) but some free ads have no pro alternatives. I'm pro for developers making money...but if a user wants to block ads, that's their choice to do so on their OPEN-SOURCE OS lol. It's not a huge problem for people like us who can simply just load the .apk up or insert a modified hostfiles..but it looks if it was an "Appleish" move and that's the main reason I'm disappointed. If anyone gets what I mean by that. Regardless, since this had to happen, hopefully the developers make more money through ads and better apps can be developed and funded for? (Just a positive insight)
TL;DR : Google shouldn't have removed apps that didn't infringe on copyrights, but some developers still offer their apps unofficially thankfully. And we should now see devs being supported more!
Yeah I know what you mean, it's open source but do you expect to be so open the more successful android becomes. That's why Google wants to get rid of removable batteries and sd cards, they essentially want to control more of what you can do with a phone. people love android because you have options that's why it's so successful unlike apple so who knows what will happen in the future.
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I also buy the apps I really like. If i use that app on occasion then i dont mind the ads, as long as they are the banners at the bottom or something, and dont just pop up in full screen when im trying to do something. Those apps that do that, i usually delete and just find an alternative app.
Some ads are intrusive especially the ones that spam your status bar with notifications about making your junk bigger. Not all apps have donate versions either as others have mentioned.
I don't know why this is upsetting it's not like ad blocking apps are going away... remember on Android we can install apps not in the play store
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md1008 said:
Some ads are intrusive especially the ones that spam your status bar with notifications about making your junk bigger. Not all apps have donate versions either as others have mentioned.
I don't know why this is upsetting it's not like ad blocking apps are going away... remember on Android we can install apps not in the play store
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Indeed. It just feels as if Google is going towards Apples iron fist way of running things. No external sd card in the Nexus 4 and no removable battery as mentioned above? Apple phones also fill that criteria. Only time will tell to see if they become truly brazen.
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I usually buy the paid apps as well, but there are free apps that don't have the option to pay to remove ads. That's where my adaway comes in. Anyway I'm sure you'll be able to find these apps on the Internet so no reason to worry
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Exactly my reason. If an app is worthy I have no problem shelling out a few bucks for it. It's just the occasional free apps that just straight up comes with ads. No paid versions.
Well i have bought 97% of my apps so for me it's no big deal what i don't like is that my payed apps come with ingame purchase.
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I think the move sucks but honestly I'm not surprised
I assume most of the apps that got pulled are going to be online pretty soon.
http://adblockplus.org/en/android-about
I personally never removed ads anyways. The devs put a lot of time and effort into these and if I'm too cheap to pay for it, I can deal with the ads.
BTW 95% of my apps have been purchased if they have a pro/paid version.
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If I can't afford the paid version (still haven't gotten around to justifying some of them to myself) then letting them get money from someone else is the least I can do.
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Yeah I know what you mean, it's open source but do you expect to be so open the more successful android becomes. That's why Google wants to get rid of removable batteries and sd cards, they essentially want to control more of what you can do with a phone. people love android because you have options that's why it's so successful unlike apple so who knows what will happen in the future.
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I don't think it's really about that kind of control. The battery issue is about cost (and I'd guess has a lot to do with the manufacturer they're working with and what they have available that they'll work with), and the sd card issue is about Google trying to push people to use Cloud services (some parts business and some parts probably genuinely thinking it's a good idea) and a dash of them not having a clue (I love Google, but the idea that the external sd is "confusing" to users is just silly - my mom didn't know hers existed until I told her - it didn't "confuse" her, it was just a non-issue).
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If I can't afford the paid version (still haven't gotten around to justifying some of them to myself) then letting them get money from someone else is the least I can do.
I don't think it's really about that kind of control. The battery issue is about cost (and I'd guess has a lot to do with the manufacturer they're working with and what they have available that they'll work with), and the sd card issue is about Google trying to push people to use Cloud services (some parts business and some parts probably genuinely thinking it's a good idea) and a dash of them not having a clue (I love Google, but the idea that the external sd is "confusing" to users is just silly - my mom didn't know hers existed until I told her - it didn't "confuse" her, it was just a non-issue).
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Once Google has a windows and Mac app like iTunes then they could do this cloud service crap, it's not time yet. They are always going to give a lame excuse but I'm happy not all manufacturers are carrying along.
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Guys,
If you've ever debated buying Tasker, now is the time. It's $2 in the market, not sure how long the sale will last. Seriously, if you're at all inclined to automate things, or even just simple profiles and want to build upon that, get Tasker.
Tasker was one of my first paid apps two years ago and it's worth the money.
But I made the mistake to buy the "direct purchase" version from the website and this can only be used on one device. So I fooled the license server with a Titanium Backup trick to use it on two devices.
Now I bought Tasker a second time in the Play Store to circumvent this trick. €1,99 is a fair price.
With the new release the direct-purchase version is no longer availible.
Direct purchase version included extra features, like encryption. Does this mean those are gone now?
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Tasker was one of my first paid apps two years ago and it's worth the money.
But I made the mistake to buy the "direct purchase" version from the website and this can only be used on one device. So I fooled the license server with a Titanium Backup trick to use it on two devices.
Now I bought Tasker a second time in the Play Store to circumvent this trick. €1,99 is a fair price.
With the new release the direct-purchase version is no longer availible.
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I just did the exact same thing. I paid for Tasker before it was even in the market, but like you, I had to... Do ugly stuff to make it work newer or multiple devices.
I figure Tasker saves me at least 15 minutes a day, and probably does a lot of stuff I wouldn't even bother to do manually. Another couple bucks his way is warranted.
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Direct purchase version included extra features, like encryption. Does this mean those are gone now?
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Yes, it couldn't be in the market with Encryption apparently, so it's out. I don't think Tasker's encryption was ever intended to be "military strength" or anything but I can see where it'd be handy sometimes.
I'll bet there are market apps with Tasker plugins that'll do it. I haven't found any offhand yet though.
Have been using tasker for about 3 months now ....fan of it...videos on xda have been of great help too...
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It's been a few years since I've had an Android phone. All my past phones I've rooted, for various reasons. Most of them involved custom kernels, themes, and Cyanogenmod. What are some of the best reasons to root, and best reasons to stay stock?
If I root, I'll need to return my phone to Verizon and order one from Google, or wait and hope someone unlocks the bootloader. Either way I'm returning it for the 128GB version.
Thoughts?
The main reason I root my device is for Adaway so I can block ads with the HOSTS file at a global level (no ads in apps, yay!). Heck, I already have the bootloader unlocked, don't care if it breaks Android Pay (don't use it anyways other then to store my rewards cards information) and waiting for cf to work his magic on getting root working on this sexy device.
Down side of rooting is that you don't get the updates that gets pushed out unless you do it yourself (that and no Android Pay if that's something you use like I said above).
In terms of keeping the Verizon version or getting the Google Play version, if it was me, I'd get the Google Play version (which is what I did, second time I've gotten a phone outside of Verizon so they can't control my device). Although I'm sure after enough time someone could probably crack the bootloader but you never know.
I root for many reasons. Prominent among them is the ability to change the colors of the UI. White backgrounds are hard on my eyes and so over the years I have used CMTE, Layers, TBO, and now Substratum to change to darker backgrounds. Some apps have a dark mode you can use without root, but many do not. Root opens up a whole new dimension of customizations not only in appearance but also in performance.
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In terms of keeping the Verizon version or getting the Google Play version, if it was me, I'd get the Google Play version (which is what I did, second time I've gotten a phone outside of Verizon so they can't control my device). Although I'm sure after enough time someone could probably crack the bootloader but you never know.
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If I root, I'll need to return my phone to Verizon and order one from Google, or wait and hope someone unlocks the bootloader. Either way I'm returning it for the 128GB version.
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I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?
ringochan said:
I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?
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Probably because of the discounted 2 year or monthly payment option. Some smart people still have smaller budgets or wives who wouldn't understand laying out $800 - $1000 to replace a phone just because you want to root. Those people hope someone will figure out a way to unlock and root. I've got the money but my wife would go ballistic
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With all due respect, buying a google phone without rooting and tinkering with it is like going to michelin starred restaurant to pay $100 for a glass of water. Oh, and my reasons are the freedom of customizability and custom kernels, custom kernels can make your phone twice as fast with even better battery life if done right.
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I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?
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I didn't got it through Verizon. I said I got it through the Google Store (thus the outside of Verizon part). Screw getting phones through Verizon. Hate that they forced locked down bootloader's.
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With all due respect, buying a google phone without rooting and tikering with it is like going to michelin starred restaurant to pay $100 for a glass of water. Oh, and my reasons are the freedom of customizability and custom kernels, custom kernels can make your phone twice as fast with even better battery life if done right.
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That was true with Nexus phones. The Pixel is being marketed as something else entirely. I think we'll be hard pressed to see any real gains from devs here. Google is putting a lot of work into these phones. I trust the minds at Google this time moreso than the devs on here.
Nitemare3219 said:
That was true with Nexus phones. The Pixel is being marketed as something else entirely. I think we'll be hard pressed to see any real gains from devs here. Google is putting a lot of work into these phones. I trust the minds at Google this time moreso than the devs on here.
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I'm not impressed with the "minds" at Google.
For me to pay that kind of price, I need, at least 5.75" screen, front stereo speakers, higher degree of water proofing. Also, to echo a famous quote : "White UIs must die!" And those bezels! Ugh!
Google assistant is nearly useless to those of us who prefer not to publicly audibilize our searches. So all I would gain would be a snappier OS and a first rate camera. Too many cons outweigh the pros. I wish Google and the sort of folks that they appear to be targeting all the best. I also hope there is much Dev activity for it.
ringochan said:
I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?
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Ease of access, availability, no need for an application for financing, the expectation that someone will crack the bootloader, buying in a no tax state.
wtherrell said:
I'm not impressed with the "minds" at Google.
For me to pay that kind of price, I need, at least 5.75" screen, front stereo speakers, higher degree of water proofing. Also, to echo a famous quote : "White UIs must die!" And those bezels! Ugh!
Google assistant is nearly useless to those of us who prefer not to publicly audibilize our searches. So all I would gain would be a snappier OS and a first rate camera. Too many cons outweigh the pros. I wish Google and the sort of folks that they appear to be targeting all the best. I also hope there is much Dev activity for it.
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-I do wish the screen size was larger considering it has on-screen buttons, and that massive chin... no reason it couldn't have been 5.7" again.
-Stereo speakers would have been nice too. No idea why they couldn't copy the iPhone and HTC 10 considering the speakers are in the same position. Maybe a dev will actually make this happen if the earpiece is capable.
-I actually love the UI.
-Everyone hates the bezel. I think they did it to keep a larger battery in the phone, and to probably make it look like an iPhone to the masses.
-Google Assistant is great. I never really used voice commands much, but I have been forcing myself to use them more. They are incredibly quick, efficient, and convenient. No reason to not use them even in public dude. Who gives a damn what people think about your searches. You're never going to see the same people in public anyway.
The snappy OS and first rate camera are things that Android has absolutely needed in a phone. The Pixels bring the best of ALL the basics. And no phone has really done that with Android before. OEMs get too caught up in adding gimmicks and "features" and end up slowing down the phone, hampering basic usability (i.e. what we use our phones for 90+% of the time).
Nitemare3219 said:
-I do wish the screen size was larger considering it has on-screen buttons, and that massive chin... no reason it couldn't have been 5.7" again.
-Stereo speakers would have been nice too. No idea why they couldn't copy the iPhone and HTC 10 considering the speakers are in the same position. Maybe a dev will actually make this happen if the earpiece is capable.
-I actually love the UI.
-Everyone hates the bezel. I think they did it to keep a larger battery in the phone, and to probably make it look like an iPhone to the masses.
-Google Assistant is great. I never really used voice commands much, but I have been forcing myself to use them more. They are incredibly quick, efficient, and convenient. No reason to not use them even in public dude. Who gives a damn what people think about your searches. You're never going to see the same people in public anyway.
The snappy OS and first rate camera are things that Android has absolutely needed in a phone. The Pixels bring the best of ALL the basics. And no phone has really done that with Android before. OEMs get too caught up in adding gimmicks and "features" and end up slowing down the phone, hampering basic usability (i.e. what we use our phones for 90+% of the time).
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I do hope they tweak it later to allow typing to the assistant like Allo but I guess then it's not a whole lot different than typing in the search bar anyways.
Nitemare3219 said:
-I do wish the screen size was larger considering it has on-screen buttons, and that massive chin... no reason it couldn't have been 5.7" again.
-Stereo speakers would have been nice too. No idea why they couldn't copy the iPhone and HTC 10 considering the speakers are in the same position. Maybe a dev will actually make this happen if the earpiece is capable.
-I actually love the UI.
-Everyone hates the bezel. I think they did it to keep a larger battery in the phone, and to probably make it look like an iPhone to the masses.
-Google Assistant is great. I never really used voice commands much, but I have been forcing myself to use them more. They are incredibly quick, efficient, and convenient. No reason to not use them even in public dude. Who gives a damn what people think about your searches. You're never going to see the same people in public anyway.
The snappy OS and first rate camera are things that Android has absolutely needed in a phone. The Pixels bring the best of ALL the basics. And no phone has really done that with Android before. OEMs get too caught up in adding gimmicks and "features" and end up slowing down the phone, hampering basic usability (i.e. what we use our phones for 90+% of the time).
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Good points. I'm glad you trust the uncaring public. I, however, don't. I guess I am just slightly paranoid that way. Also there are many situations where it might disturb other folks to have me gabbing on my phone. Sure, assistant is neat but just not worth it to me. Still, I find myself checking on the availability of the 128gb model as if I am irresistibly drawn to it. My heart wants it but my head is saying no.
There's every reason to root, and only one reason to not root.
Reasons to root:
Kernel modifications to increase battery life. (Sure the Pixel can go 2 days easily on one charge, but why not make it 3?).
Filesystem access. The heart of any computer should at the very least give you filesystem access. It boggles the mind why phones won't give this option when this is a computer that you carry with you every day. Maybe you want to write your own apps, hide personal files somewhere outside of the visible directories like Downloads.
Breaking down barriers carriers put forth to limit you in a walled garden. Whatever it may be. Video codecs for example. Open source media servers that aren't approved on the app stores, I can go on and on.
Only reason to not root:
Android Pay. I absolutely love this ability. I personally think that you SHOULD be able to use this option while rooted. Using SU app, and encryption of your card should be enough to protect your card information. (Don't say it can't because it can.) Rooted apps cannot work unless you give them access via the SU app as added security, and even if they manage to grab your encrypted card information because you allowed some program you've never heard of root access and it steals your encrypted account information, it would take them 1 million years to brute force decrypt it if using a high enough encryption scheme on it. You can just change your virtual account on a whim, and do so ever 6 months, cancelling your old account in case it was ever grabbed making the old one null and void for the hacker if he does eventually get lucky and break it. Your account will never get owned if these practices were followed.
Blatently not allowing you choice to use something like android pay is big brother coddling you like a baby. I'm a grown ass man, and know how to secure my ****. If you don't know how to, then you shouldn't be doing it as your the reason Google puts these sort of restrictions on phones like mine.
MichaelMcC said:
Probably because of the discounted 2 year or monthly payment option. Some smart people still have smaller budgets or wives who wouldn't understand laying out $800 - $1000 to replace a phone just because you want to root. Those people hope someone will figure out a way to unlock and root. I've got the money but my wife would go ballistic
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You are actually confusing me more. I checked both Verizon and Google Store's pricings and financing options and saw they are pretty much the same.
Verizon -- $0 Down (for qualified customers) $36.24/mo for 24 months; 0% APR Retail Price: $869.99 -- sim locked maybe?, and locked bootloader.
Google Store -- $869.00 or $36.21 / Month x 24 times, thru Google Store Financing -- sim free, and unlockable bootloader.
scsa20 said:
I didn't got it through Verizon. I said I got it through the Google Store (thus the outside of Verizon part). Screw getting phones through Verizon. Hate that they forced locked down bootloader's.
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Exactly!:laugh:
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Ease of access, availability, no need for an application for financing, the expectation that someone will crack the bootloader, buying in a no tax state.
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nikitis said:
There's every reason to root, and only one reason to not root.
Reasons to root:
Kernel modifications to increase battery life. (Sure the Pixel can go 2 days easily on one charge, but why not make it 3?).
Filesystem access. The heart of any computer should at the very least give you filesystem access. It boggles the mind why phones won't give this option when this is a computer that you carry with you every day. Maybe you want to write your own apps, hide personal files somewhere outside of the visible directories like Downloads.
Breaking down barriers carriers put forth to limit you in a walled garden. Whatever it may be. Video codecs for example. Open source media servers that aren't approved on the app stores, I can go on and on.
Only reason to not root:
Android Pay. I absolutely love this ability. I personally think that you SHOULD be able to use this option while rooted. Using SU app, and encryption of your card should be enough to protect your card information. (Don't say it can't because it can.) Rooted apps cannot work unless you give them access via the SU app as added security, and even if they manage to grab your encrypted card information because you allowed some program you've never heard of root access and it steals your encrypted account information, it would take them 1 million years to brute force decrypt it if using a high enough encryption scheme on it. You can just change your virtual account on a whim, and do so ever 6 months, cancelling your old account in case it was ever grabbed making the old one null and void for the hacker if he does eventually get lucky and break it. Your account will never get owned if these practices were followed.
Blatently not allowing you choice to use something like android pay is big brother coddling you like a baby. I'm a grown ass man, and know how to secure my ****. If you don't know how to, then you shouldn't be doing it as your the reason Google puts these sort of restrictions on phones like mine.
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More reasons to root:
o backup and restore apk and data anytime.
o nandroid backup for ability to test things.
o custom roms for obvious reasons.
o exposed anyone?
o ability to upgrade to new os versions even after phone makers stopped supporting the devices.
o to satisfy the addictive urge to flash every week!
The SafetyNet is a great threat for most of us here. Some apps, including Android Pay, won't run anymore. If more apps start utilizing the system, we won't be able to enjoy our phones and everyone will be migrating to the Appleland:crying: