Hey guys
So I've been reading forums and websites for a long time now and haven'f been able to fix this.
I have a T-Mobile branded Desire with a Golden Card. I flashed a RUU from shipped-roms.com, then rooted (unrevoked3) it. After a while I removed the rooting with unrevoked3 and flashed a new fresh RUU.
Now the problem is: even thou my Desire does download OTA updates, when booting into update it aborts the procedure with status 7, because my ro.cid still is T-Mobilized.
What did I do wrong?
How can I make it update normally as a generic (unbranded) Desire?
You can't run the OTA on a debranded handset, seems Google changed something in the update ZIP. You'll have to flash the RUU to get it. I assume you're trying to get 2.29.405.5?
2.29.405.5
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Exactly.
You'll have to flash the RUU to get it.
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This one?
RUU_Bravo_Froyo_HTC_WWE_2.29.405.5_Radio_32.49.00.32U_5.11.05.27_release_159811_signed.exe
How can I change the ro.cid prop or where is it located?
That's the one, but why do you need to change that file?
EDIT: You can't change the CID of your phone. Seems Google have changed the OTA updates so you might have to flash the RUU every time a new one is out. We won't know until a new update is released
Thank you for your quick reply.
So if I'm getting this right there is no way to actually really permanently debrand an HTC Desire?
How about rooting and disabling signature verification, would that enable me to install the OTA?
shadow player said:
How about rooting and disabling signature verification, would that enable me to install the OTA?
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No. Never, I repeat: NEVER ota-update a custom Rom! You can either flash a close-to-stock custom rom (and then NOT install ota-update!!), maybe flash one based on the newest htc-rom, so you are not tempted to install the ota update, or install the ruu of the branded stock rom you bought your phone with and wait for the update to appear.
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No. Never, I repeat: NEVER ota-update a custom Rom! You can either flash a close-to-stock custom rom (and then NOT install ota-update!!), maybe flash one based on the newest htc-rom, so you are not tempted to install the ota update, or install the ruu of the branded stock rom you bought your phone with and wait for the update to appear.
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I'm using a stock RUU firmware...
But you're DEbranded which won't allow you to get the OTA. The ONLY way you can get it is to flash the RUU
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But you're DEbranded which won't allow you to get the OTA. The ONLY way you can get it is to flash the RUU
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Thank you for making that clear. I'm really a n00b on this topic. Thanks for all your help. I'm trying to understand,
So an UNbranded (from factory) and a DEbranded (by me) phone still have differences?
On what kind of phone (branded, unbranded or debranded) would the OTA just work normally?
unbranded would get updates from HTC, branded from the operator, debranded either OTA (if they work in future) or RUUs
Hi, i've found this post and I'd like to know if there's a way to change everything in a operator branded desire to appear an unbranded one and get OTA from HTC?
Gold card should do it but other than that no
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Hi,
My device is 1.15 and rooted. When I click "system software update" I'm always seeing checkingin, nothing more.
I want to update my device to 1.21.405.2 but I can't.
What is your suggestions?
Unroot it.
Code:
How to Unroot your HTC Desire to stock
If you Have A 0.75 Bootloader:
Generic RUU Download / Mirror #1
T-Mobile UK RUU Download
o2 UK RUU Download
3 UK RUU Download
If You Have A 0.80 Bootloader: Download
Other RUUs Avalible Here
You will need:
1. HTC Sync (For Drivers)
2. The Download Above
3. A Windows PC
4. A Goldcard (Not required for generic HTC Desires)
The Guide:
1. Make sure your goldcard is in your phone (If Required-if your phone is branded)
2. Turn your Desire on
3. Connect it to a Windows PC
4. Run the HTC RUU
5. Let it run
6. & YOUR DONE!
Okey, I understood. But which file I must the download for 0.75 or 0.80. My boot version is 0.75.
Apparently the 1st version for 0.75 bootloader, you didnt tell if your Desire is unbranded or not, so if it is, the 1st link.
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Apparently the 1st version for 0.75 bootloader, you didnt tell if your Desire is unbranded or not, so if it is, the 1st link.
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I don't know what is unbranded. I bought this phone from Germany. Before I rooted I was see T-Mobile logo. After root I see HTC logo. My friend ordered for me and I think he will pay 24 month to T-Mobile Germany. Is that mean branded?
In this case which version is good for me?. I rooted this device one week ago and I tried make 1.21 OTA update but I couldn't. Phone was say: "There is no any update". I dont want to see this meassage again after unroot.
Thanks for reply.
Im not sure, maybe someone else can confim that, but it seems that yours is T-mobile branded. Im not aware though, what and if there is a difference in UK vs German version (if in the UK version the german language is missing for instance).
I don't know what t-mobile is doing, but vodafone users only got a 1.19 update OTA! So no 1.21 in germany I think. Is it not possible to unbrand the phone and install one of these RUU updates from htc? Check this in dev forum
I downloaded this:
If you Have A 0.75 Bootloader:
Generic RUU Download
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I will do unroot, after that I will try to take OTA 1.21 update, if can't I will try manuelly do RUU 1.21 update. I hope I don'tl corrupt the phone.
Just to be in the safe side, it's best practise to perform a Nandroid backup in Recovery Mode beforehand, which you can later restore if anything does go wrong with the flash.
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MasDroid said:
Just to be in the safe side, it's best practise to perform a Nandroid backup in Recovery Mode beforehand, which you can later restore if anything does go wrong with the flash.
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Ok, nondroid is okey. I did unroot, and I saw a popup about system update
Now, I'm downloading BL 0.80 files to make again unroot but I confuse, should I do again goldcard process? I did already one time before..
Yes, you will need to use the same Gold Card to flash RUU files with a different CID to your own device.
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So, I have a rooted Desire with stock 1.15 fw. If I want to upgrade to stock 1.21 fw I must unroot, then install the upgrade and re-root, isn't it? But if I'll follow this sequence will I lost every application that is on the phone now? Maybe it's better waiting for Froyo or installing a modded fw?
Well i downloaded offical updated and did the updated manualy because i also did not get updated via phone
Something goes wrong.
1. I have unrooted and did OTA 1.21 update.
2. I checked bootloader version. It's 0.80
3. I have unrooted again with 0.80 and 1.21 version.
4. After that I checked sw version it was 1.15 again
5. Again I did 1.21 updated and after reebot I checked again 1.15
I can download and install OTA 1.21 update many times, but still same. What is wrong?
Hello people.
An android newbie here. I have beem doing quite a bit of reading on this forum, but this is my first time posting. I have looked around all over the place and I have reached a point where I am confused of how to go about the task I am wanting to accomplish. Here goes:
I bought a desire HD on vodafone last week, it had 1.75.161.2 firmware on it. I stumbled across these forums and decided to flash a custom ROM (Leedroid). I was successful a this task, but now i have a charging problem with my phone. If i understand correctly, my warranty is void with a custom ROM, so I would like to know how i could get back to my stock Vodafone ROM (1.75.161.2), also with the branded vodafone logo that used to appear before i flashed to custom ROM.
Again, sorry if there is stuff about this posted elsewhere, I have been reading, but i am really confused.
Any help would be appreciated.
Regards
You have to run a RUU if you want to return to stock.
I don't have any links to official RUUs atm, but check the threads in the android developement section. There should be one with vodafone branding
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Flussen said:
You have to run a RUU if you want to return to stock.
I don't have any links to official RUUs atm, but check the threads in the android developement section. There should be one with vodafone branding
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Thanks for your reply.
I have installed a Vodafone branded RUU, I have also found a Vodafone backup which I have tried. I get the branding back, but I cannot get any updates OTA. I'm now on 1.39.161.1. There clearly is a 1.75 update on Vodafone, I used to be on it and my friends are on it.
Any help for me to receive these OTA updates?
Regards
I think 1.75 was pulled by HTC at the same time as the 1.72 update, due to some major bugs.
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I think 1.75 was pulled by HTC at the same time as the 1.72 update, due to some major bugs.
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Vodafone website states 1.75 is the latest. Last week I had 1.75 I don't think 1.75 was pulled. 1.72 was definitely pulled.
http://help.vodafone.co.uk/system/selfservice.controller?CMD=VIEW_ARTICLE&ARTICLE_ID=3818083&PARTITION_ID=1&CONFIGURATION=1058&CURRENT_CMD=BROWSE_TOPIC&PAGE_TITLE=Article%20Details
Anothe DHD noob question here. I bought a DHD off eBay and I know it is locked to Vodafone, but I'm not sure if it's branded. If I don't get the Vodafone logo when I switch it on does that mean it's not branded?
Check the firmwareversion. If it's like 1.32.405.3 it's unbranded. The important part is .405. That means that it's unbranded.
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It's 1.72.405.3
So it's unbranded but I need to downgrade in order to root and S-OFF etc?
Yes, you need to downgrade it to 1.32. But you don't need to create a gold card
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Hi, I've the same problem, I need to get back to voda 1.75
First of all, did you used hboot S-OFF or radio S-OFF ?? Because if you used hboot you won't be able to recover the original boot to S-ON and your phone will be out of warranty regardless of the ROM it has installed.
As I understand it, if you've flashed the 1.39 branded RUU back to the phone that should've give you the stock vodafone recovery wich is what is needed in order to get Voda Branded OTA updates, am I right?
So I don't get why aren't you receiving the 1.75 OTA, do you have superCID?
Anyone knows if there is a 1.75 Voda RUU available somewhere to flash manually?
dadon123 said:
Thanks for your reply.
I have installed a Vodafone branded RUU, I have also found a Vodafone backup which I have tried. I get the branding back, but I cannot get any updates OTA. I'm now on 1.39.161.1. There clearly is a 1.75 update on Vodafone, I used to be on it and my friends are on it.
Any help for me to receive these OTA updates?
Regards
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Hi, I've the same problem, I need to get back to voda 1.75
First of all, did you used hboot S-OFF or radio S-OFF ?? Because if you used hboot you won't be able to recover the original boot to S-ON and your phone will be out of warranty regardless of the ROM it has installed.
As I understand it, if you've flashed the 1.39 branded RUU back to the phone that should've give you the stock vodafone recovery wich is what is needed in order to get Voda Branded OTA updates, am I right?
So I don't get why aren't you receiving the 1.75 OTA, do you have superCID?
Anyone knows if there is a 1.75 Voda RUU available somewhere to flash manually?
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Hi.
Looks like we're stuck in the same boat! I have reflashed the original radio and the original hboot. Also put my cid to stock (VODAP001), and turned radio s-on. Reflashed clockworkmod recovery to original stock recovery, got the phone back to 100% the way it was when I took it out of the box, yet still I cannot get the OTA update to 1.75.161.2
I'm on 1.39.161.1, stock Vodafone UK firmware. I followed a guide off another forum (german forum) nd thanks to Google translator I managed to follow the steps. But still stuck at the OTA issue.
yep, so it seems.
Could you post the link to that thread on the german forum?
Thanks
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Hi.
Looks like we're stuck in the same boat! I have reflashed the original radio and the original hboot. Also put my cid to stock (VODAP001), and turned radio s-on. Reflashed clockworkmod recovery to original stock recovery, got the phone back to 100% the way it was when I took it out of the box, yet still I cannot get the OTA update to 1.75.161.2
I'm on 1.39.161.1, stock Vodafone UK firmware. I followed a guide off another forum (german forum) nd thanks to Google translator I managed to follow the steps. But still stuck at the OTA issue.
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http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.handy-faq.de/forum/htc_desire_hd_forum/190019-htc_desire_hd_originalzustand_auslieferungszustand_wiederherstellen.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3D1.75.161.2%2Bvodafone%2Buk%2Bruu%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rlz%3D1B3GGLL_en-GBGB379GB379%26prmd%3Divnsfd&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&usg=ALkJrhhBi3KYTytikXPK9TRzc9bFaCDKaA
There you go. Its the second set of instructions which i followed Have a gander.
Hi guys,
Sorry to dig this one up but I've hit a bit of a snag with my phone and could do with some assistance.
I got the phone originally with a Vodafone ROM and decided to debrand it to a plain HTC ROM - 1.72 using a de-brand pack I got from Fonefunshop. It appears that based on the fact the phone still has a Vodafone serial number but a HTC ROM I cannot receive OTA updates (I want Gingerbread ) then I need to revert back to stock. Ironically Vodafone released 2.3 earlier than HTC which was annoying to say the least.
I've been hunting round for the stock Vodafone RUU for 1.36 but I don't know if I can downgrade for starters, nor can I find any Vodafone RUU files anywhere including on here nor on Stock-ROM's.
Can anyone give me some help with this?
When I bought my phone from Vodafone on contract in November it came unbranded and unlocked. Nothing to do with Vodafone at all, apart from the CID. So if you just flash back to the stock 1.32 ROM and change the CID to the Vodafone one which I think is VODA_0001 (Dont quote me on that, its off the top of my head but there is a thread here somewhere that has it in), then make your phone S-on to get the updates.
That way you will be completely stock.
I'm in the same boat too
Flashed the non-branded software when I got the phone last year. Now I can't get the OTA update to 2.3.
Does anyone have a link the the stock 1.32 ROM and also a guide on how to change the CID and to make the phone S-on to get the updates?
Thanks
Lee
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dadon123 said:
Thanks for your reply.
I have installed a Vodafone branded RUU, I have also found a Vodafone backup which I have tried. I get the branding back, but I cannot get any updates OTA. I'm now on 1.39.161.1. There clearly is a 1.75 update on Vodafone, I used to be on it and my friends are on it.
Any help for me to receive these OTA updates?
Regards
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Please can you tell me where you found the Vodafone branded RUU. I really need it and haven't been able to find it anywhere.Thanks
I have a O2 UK branded hox, which i've unlocked and use on Tesco Mobile's network (actually uses O2 network) but just wondering if I would still receive OTA updates if I revert back to stock, as it was my understanding they were pushed out by the network providers?
Yes you can still receive OTA updates if you revert back to stock .
The phone checks HTC servers for updates using the Internet. It has nothing to do with the provider.
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The phone checks HTC servers for updates using the Internet. It has nothing to do with the provider.
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Correct. It's the software build you're using that determines the updates. For example, if you're running x.xx.61.x (Orange UK) and you don't change this bar using a different SIM card you'll only get update that have x.xx.61.x in it
Thanks guys just gotta figure out how to put it back to stock now....
What HBOOT are you on? If you're on an earlier one you might be able to get away with the 1.2x RUU but if you had the 2.17.61.x OTA update recently I believe you're stuck as that RUU hasn't surfaced yet
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What HBOOT are you on? If you're on an earlier one you might be able to get away with the 1.2x RUU but if you had the 2.17.61.x OTA update recently I believe you're stuck as that RUU hasn't surfaced yet
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0.96 is my hboot
Pretty sure the existing Orange UK RUU will do the job for stock in that case, then
EDIT: This one should do...
http://htcruu.com/Endeavor/RUU_ENDE...Radio_1.1204.105.14_release_260736_signed.exe
EddyOS said:
Pretty sure the existing Orange UK RUU will do the job for stock in that case, then
EDIT: This one should do...
http://htcruu.com/Endeavor/RUU_ENDE...Radio_1.1204.105.14_release_260736_signed.exe
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Ah sorry i just changed my avatar, just changed last month from orange to tesco mobile, but my phone is a O2 branded handset which is why i'd need an O2 RUU
EddyOS said:
What HBOOT are you on? If you're on an earlier one you might be able to get away with the 1.2x RUU but if you had the 2.17.61.x OTA update recently I believe you're stuck as that RUU hasn't surfaced yet
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All this RUU stuff pickles me.
How do you know the correct RUU for your model?
Thanks !
Wilks3y said:
All this RUU stuff pickles me.
How do you know the correct RUU for your model?
Thanks !
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If you've not unlocked/rooted/gone custom at all it's very simple! Go to Settings>About phone>Software information and make a note of the build number, e.g. 2.17.401.2
THEN see if it's available for download. In this case, it is...
http://htcruu.com/?dir=Endeavor
RUU_ENDEAVOR_U_ICS_40_S_HTC_Europe_2.17.401.2_Radio_2.1204.135.20_release_274900_signed.exe
Having the RUU for your phone to hand makes it a LOT easier to get back to stock should you need to
To the OP, this one should do the job but can't guarantee...
RUU_ENDEAVOR_U_ICS_40_O2_UK_1.26.206.2_Radio_1.1204.90.13_release_251230_signed.exe
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To the OP, this one should do the job but can't guarantee...
RUU_ENDEAVOR_U_ICS_40_O2_UK_1.26.206.2_Radio_1.1204.90.13_release_251230_signed.exe
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Ok thats the one I have thanks, just need to figure out which boot img to flash as there are 2 on the guide i read 1.26 or 2.17 or something
Take the boot.img from the RUU...although you don't need to if you're going to flash the RUU. All you have to do is relock the bootloader and run it when the phone is in fastboot mode - it'll put it back to 100% stock
Many thanks, just found my original Nandroid too should I need it
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If you've not unlocked/rooted/gone custom at all it's very simple! Go to Settings>About phone>Software information and make a note of the build number, e.g. 2.17.401.2
THEN see if it's available for download. In this case, it is...
http://htcruu.com/?dir=Endeavor
RUU_ENDEAVOR_U_ICS_40_S_HTC_Europe_2.17.401.2_Radio_2.1204.135.20_release_274900_signed.exe
Having the RUU for your phone to hand makes it a LOT easier to get back to stock should you need to
To the OP, this one should do the job but can't guarantee...
RUU_ENDEAVOR_U_ICS_40_O2_UK_1.26.206.2_Radio_1.1204.90.13_release_251230_signed.exe
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Cheers bud, theres so many terms etc for Android, RUU, Endevour etc etc, some of them are just tricky to get your head round
Endeavoru is the HTC codename for the One X, in the same way Pyramid is the Sensation
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Endeavoru is the HTC codename for the One X, in the same way Pyramid is the Sensation
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Ahhh, thanks for that info mate much appreciated.
Managed to do it by restoring my original nandroid I did as soon as I unlocked the bootloader, at first it was boot looping but i flashed the boot.img from nandroid and it is fine, ota showed the 4.0.4 update immediately and managed to download it, now back onto arhd 9.7.2 so at least I know I can get back, will just have to relock it next time and flash stock recovery. will just have to figure out which recovery would be needed.
You don't need to relock to install OTA.
Hello fellas
This is simply: I'm S-OFF. I have the M8 with CID Telus, and just recently updated to 4.4.3 via OTA. Total stock, no modifications.
If I change my CID from TELUS001 to superCID 11111111 and if I get the 4.4.4 OTA update. I will get a modifications in the system or anything?
Take care fellas :good:
luipaard said:
Hello fellas
This is simply: I'm S-OFF. I have the M8 with CID Telus, and just recently updated to 4.4.3 via OTA. Total stock, no modifications.
If I change my CID from TELUS001 to superCID 11111111 and if I get the 4.4.4 OTA update. I will get a modifications in the system or anything?
Take care fellas :good:
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Once you go SuperCID, you won't need Telus's OTA for 4.4.4, you can just flash a stock 4.4.4 ROM from here.
All that Telus's official update will give you that's different is the bloatware apps that they have. And if you really want them, you can get them on the Play Store.
Personally, the first thing I do is remove the bloatware when I get a new device.
EDIT: I am also on Telus. The best thing about SuperCID is that you don't need to pay Telus to unlock your phone to use on another carrier. SuperCID will make it usable on any GSM network.
My phone was bought as free. No carrier apps, no modificationes, 100% original with 4.4.2 HTC sense 6.0
I don't want to flash update via usb. Just update via OTA. For security reasons (for me, personally)
Just one question. If I change to supercid. How can I get 4.4.4 OTA from, example, the international carrier or from HTC for no personalization from carriers.
Thank you.
luipaard said:
My phone was bought as free. No carrier apps, no modificationes, 100% original with 4.4.2 HTC sense 6.0
I don't want to flash update via usb. Just update via OTA. For security reasons (for me, personally)
Just one question. If I change to supercid. How can I get 4.4.4 OTA from, example, the international carrier or from HTC for no personalization from carriers.
Thank you.
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You won't get an OTA. Your phone is unbranded with supercid. And you don't need to flash via USB, just download the stock ROM on your phone, enter recovery, and click "install". (after a nandroid backup, of course)
I've had 4.4.4 now for about a week.
Ok, I've get rid off
There is a method to get OTA 4.4.4? I want that my device install the update for me.
No 1.5+GB downloading roms, cuz my internet is like a nuts pain downloading big files )
luipaard said:
Ok, I've get rid off
There is a method to get OTA 4.4.4? I want that my device install the update for me.
No 1.5+GB downloading roms, cuz my internet is like a nuts pain downloading big files )
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You can't OTA the ROM, but a lot of ROMs (ViperOne at least) do OTAs for updates after you have them installed. The updates are usually around 150 to 180mb. Download it when you go to bed, and flash it in the morning (or later)
You are vey helpful for me and my trouble. I do thank you.
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You are vey helpful for me and my trouble. I do thank you.
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No problem. And I linked you to stock firmware on the other thread. Take care buddy.
My Phone was CID VODAP102 branded, I updated to 3.29.161.5 Android 4.4.4, went fine.
Now I am S-Off and rooted, changed to SuperCID, and wanted to flash the European unbranded OTA 3.28.401.6.
Is that possible? The Version number is lower, so I am afraid it causes trouble.
Would that wipe anything?
Im on the same version of Android since i got the phone, the bootloader is unlocked with S-ON and it has been working fine since i got it. I heard 5.1 had been released, is there a H3G RUU for the new version or can i use the Europeon one.. my CID Num is H3G__001.
Because i am rooted it says it cant check for updates, can anyone tell me what i can do?
I thought about restoring the original software RUU and then updating, but what if my service provider hasnt released the update, unless their is another H3G M9 user on the forum who can tell me different.
Thanks.
AwaisKhan said:
Im on the same version of Android since i got the phone, the bootloader is unlocked with S-ON and it has been working fine since i got it. I heard 5.1 had been released, is there a H3G RUU for the new version or can i use the Europeon one.. my CID Num is H3G__001.
Because i am rooted it says it cant check for updates, can anyone tell me what i can do?
I thought about restoring the original software RUU and then updating, but what if my service provider hasnt released the update, unless their is another H3G M9 user on the forum who can tell me different.
Thanks.
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Your best bet is to S-OFF, then Super CID. After you have done that just restore the newest WWE RUU. That way you're on the latest version and can continue to receive any new updates a lot sooner - none of that waiting for the network to release the update. Especially with marshmallow round the corner.
benjamin.j.goodwin said:
Your best bet is to S-OFF, then Super CID. After you have done that just restore the newest WWE RUU. That way you're on the latest version and can continue to receive any new updates a lot sooner - none of that waiting for the network to release the update. Especially with marshmallow round the corner.
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Are their any other ways of doing it without S-Off?
Thanks
AwaisKhan said:
Are their any other ways of doing it without S-Off?
Thanks
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Other than the way you stated not really. If you don't want to go S-OFF then you'll need to restore stock and update, then root again.
Hey there buddy.
What the chance you backed up your stock H3G recovery.
I flashed TWRP and forgot to take a backup, now can't flash the update.
I posted in this forum asking in anyone had the UK H3G stock recovery but no answers.
Cheers.
Greg
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