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BBC Iplayer on HTC Desire..>

Can anyone confirm if the playback of BBC Iplayer videos are flawless like on the iphone?
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Thanks for your comments guys. Had the desire for about 3 weeks now, and can say that Beebplayer plays videos at a 'watchable' quality over Wifi. It's not as good as the iphone (Which I will give a 10/10 to, because of its perfect quality and smooth framerates), but you have to take into consideration that videos on Iplayer are also specifically converted for iphones, while BeebPlayer uses a copy of the video converted for standard phones. Eastenders, for example, is a ~30 minute soap which is only 42MB in total to stream...
All in all, its okay. Should be better when Flash 10.1 comes round.
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seems to play fine. only tested one show using beebplayer. worked fine! not great quality unfortunately but more than watchable and seems pretty good!

evildead - did you have to pause the show for it to stream for a little while, or did you click play from the beginning and the video finished without stuttering?
On the slashgear review they said that you had to pause and wait for the whole video to stream first...kinda stupid..

shawon007 said:
evildead - did you have to pause the show for it to stream for a little while, or did you click play from the beginning and the video finished without stuttering?
On the slashgear review they said that you had to pause and wait for the whole video to stream first...kinda stupid..
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im pretty sure it depends on the connection speed so as phones dont have speeds we have in computers then you gotta pause it for a bit to let it load

Worded fine for me via beebplayer - incidentrally, opening up the iPlayer website and selecting a vid to watch gave me the option to use beebplayer which worked a treat.
streamed over 3G/H and played fine from the start, no need to pause.

nope. on a 10mb wifi connection no need to pause. Took approximately 15 seconds to load on it. Tried it on 3G and the same. The quality is halved (as is the file size when on HSDPA.. think thats what it is) so no stuttering at all.

mhewitson said:
Worded fine for me via beebplayer - incidentrally, opening up the iPlayer website and selecting a vid to watch gave me the option to use beebplayer which worked a treat.
streamed over 3G/H and played fine from the start, no need to pause.
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Beebplayer is great for watching iPlayer (available in the market)

Thanks guys. Reassuring to know it works, as that is what I will be doing 80% of my time.

I've checked streaming via beeb player as well as streaming directly from news.bbc.co.uk - both worked fine on 3G.

Are you guys having a larf? I tried this on my Desire last night and BBC1 played at about 3 frames/sec in VERY crude video.
Right beside it was my iPod Touch playing smooth in high res.
And both were on wifi.
Does this thing really play content properly?

I think we need to wait for the official iplayer app for android, which has already been announced by the BBC.
http://www.neowin.net/news/bbc-announces-news-and-sport-apps-for-iphone-android-and-blackberry

Seeing as the BBC Trust has shelved the News and Sports apps for the time being, perhaps the Beeb will turn their attentions to the Android iPlayer app instead? [SUGGESTION]

To confirm my experience of the beeb player app so far on the desire is flawless on both 3g and wifi connection. obviously quality suffers on 3g but load times were fantastic. I always assumed it was the network speed making it run slow on my G1 but on this phone same network same location runs alot smoother!

Yup. They all work perfectly. Never tried it on my iPhone so can't comment but this works 100%

checked out the beeb player app
yeh, works ok, thought the quality of the vid was relatively poor tho, still...cant complain too much as its free and the only option at the moment.
Not an app i'll be showing of to my former bredren (the iphone users)!

Don't forget that you have to factor in that you're watching it on a screen that is higher res than the iphone - think watching SD content on a standard CRT TV as compared to watching SD on a Hi-Def LCD/Plasma - the SD content will actually look better on the CRT. Same difference between iPhone and HTC Desire. The Desire will come into it's own with higher res material....

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Don't forget that you have to factor in that you're watching it on a screen that is higher res than the iphone - think watching SD content on a standard CRT TV as compared to watching SD on a Hi-Def LCD/Plasma - the SD content will actually look better on the CRT. Same difference between iPhone and HTC Desire. The Desire will come into it's own with higher res material....
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For sure,
y'know i miss the ability to just fire up the iplayer mobile site on my iphone or watch tvcatchup but i'm prepared to wait for the goodness to start rolling in on the Desire, it is after all a brand new device

Beebplayer works fine for me here, I tried watching Jonathan Ross which worked ok, but I get a problem whereby the audio and video is slightly out of sync, probably 1/2 a second. Anyone else getting this?

InspectorFrost said:
y'know i miss the ability to just fire up the iplayer mobile site on my iphone or watch tvcatchup
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Can't you watch the TVcatchup on the desire?

Bandare said:
Can't you watch the TVcatchup on the desire?
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not as far as i can tell ! tried it last night and got the adverts to play (prior to the channel) but as soon as it was over i got an error !!
ill post on / browse their site in a while and find out whats up with that.
It'll only be a matter of time i guess
Maybe theres an android app in the works

[Poll] is YouTube at 480p smooth for you?

Since I couldn't find any reviews specifying this, I have created a poll. This is the closest thing I found - "YouTube videos played quite smoothly (360p-480p)"
Are you able to stream YouTube at 480p smoothly? (zero stuttering/dropped frames)
This is in regards to my previous thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1180717

you can watch 720p fine with jetvd from the market. I do it all the time..uses so much data though O.O

Thanks for the tip, jetVD works nicely - smooth 720p.
I CBA to send the phone for repair for 4 weeks just to potentially fix a small issue.
Edit: the KeepVid app looks exactly the same as jetVD

I only watch via WiFi, is faster and saves me €10 a month.
But streaming HD still seems to lag (I use Opera Mini w/ lastest Flash Player), I think the phone (I have a Neo) can't handle streaming HD well enough...

It can handle 720p streaming just fine, only not through Flash. Video playing through Flash still isn't optimal, but that is just flash. When going through the Yt desktop site not even 480p works completely smooth here.
With JetVD you can watch 720p streaming just fine, and since JetVD uses the Gallery player it even uses the Bravia engine, AND the output over HDMI would be real 720p and not just 854x480 upscaled!

YouTube - Laggy performance in HD

Anyone else noticing this? I caught a few threads in the Xperia forums stating the same thing. I had no problems viewing HD content on my Legend, yet the screen resolution was smaller. Perhaps it's something to do with the new 720x1280 displays?

Confirm. It looks choppy for a sec, then it skips frames and jumps ahead to compensate, then it starts choppy again, repeat. Regardless full screen or not - looks like not because of 1280x720
Stream is fast and buffer is full, not network issue.

Not seeing it... have a link of a video that doesn't work for you all?

I don't have a link, but lookup FPSRussia and watch his SA-80 video. That should give you an idea.
Edit: Gave it a go in Dolphin HD and the video plays without any form of stutter. Must be a crappy version of YouTube for these phones.

Happening for me sometimes. I can use the desktop version of YouTube and everything runs fine. Even if I watch a movie I recorded at 1080p and play it back in the video player, it's sometimes choppy.
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I can't get YouTube to play HD, it seems to only play 480p.

not trying to revive a dead topic , but i have the same issue on Bell lg optimus LTE , i have tried deleting youtube and resinstall from the market. everything works fine 1080p etc on mx video player . maybe the youtube player has not been optimized for P930 ? if anyone has a solution to this, please reply !

Most likely it's just Youtube being broken or not optimized for the HD screen on this phone. I also have the same issue, and I even tried Screen Optimization. I feel that works a bit, but very little bit hehe.

I went ahead and uninstalled the update from the Android Market in Settings > Applications > Manage Applications > Downloaded > Youtube. It went back to version 2.1.6 from 2.3.4 so I restarted the phone and gave it a go. It seems to perform a hell of a lot better, still not perfect but at least it doesn't drive me crazy.
Give it a go and see for yourself, you could always update it again on the market.
Cc_

I'll stick with Dolphin HD for viewing the YouTube content, seeing that i use Dolphin for viewing websites other than YouTube.

[Q] Hi10p playback on Note 3 with MXplayer/other video player apps?

Those who have a Note 3: can anyone report back on how MKV files with 10-bit profile/hi10p play back using MXplayer (Using HW+ or whatever codec works best) or whatever video app you prefer to use?
Sample files in both 720p and 1080p resolution are here: koi-sama.net/files/hi10/

This was one of the first things I tried, to see whether or not it could handle my bluray quality anime. Guess what, IT DOES! Both MXplayer and even the stock player handle hi10p mkv bluray flac 1080p videos with ease. Also subtitles work great in both, but are substantially better in mxplayer which does some effects for the subtitles and can do more than one line at a time.

wiimonkey9 said:
This was one of the first things I tried, to see whether or not it could handle my bluray quality anime. Guess what, IT DOES! Both MXplayer and even the stock player handle hi10p mkv bluray flac 1080p videos with ease. Also subtitles work great in both, but are substantially better in mxplayer which does some effects for the subtitles and can do more than one line at a time.
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Samsung should give you some commission because you just sold me on the phone! <3
Thanks and thanks!

Can you try out Dice player to see if that app works also?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.inisoft.mediaplayer.a
Use the provided codec with it please. The codec has to be in the internal sdcard & link it in Dice settings
TYVM

Here's the codec since I'm unable to edit my previous post

RMXO said:
Can you try out Dice player to see if that app works also?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.inisoft.mediaplayer.a
Use the provided codec with it please. The codec has to be in the internal sdcard & link it in Dice settings
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It worked both without and with the codec. Subtitles worked better than the stock player, as it showed multiple lines at once during openings with karaoke lyrics, though both lines were on top of each other, instead of one being on the bottom and one being on the top like mxplayer had it. There are possibly settings to play with subtitles and such, but either way it seems that the phone is playing videos like a boss.
For testing I was using these videos: http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=236223
I'm about to test http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=446022
and one of the most subtitle intensive videos I know, the first episode of this http://colormesubbed.com/the-world-god-only-knows-ii-bd-vol-1
I'll update this post when I am done testing.
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Alright. The stock video player failed to play both of those, and only played the audio and basic subtitles. MXplayer and Dice player both played the World God only knows video perfectly, but with only MXplayer perfectly applying all of the subtitle effects(which is pretty impressive). They both needed S/W rendering to play it however. They could only play Garden of Words with S/W rendering as well, though it did lag and stutter. The video for Garden of Worlds is honestly a nightmare with even most laptops being unable to play it, though I do expect that the Note 3 will eventually be able to play it with better optimizations from the video player apps in the future. Even though the world god only knows video was the same codec, it was at half the bitrate and had 2-channel sound instead of 6-channel. Like I said, that video is an overboard example. The phone literally plays every other video in my collection.

wiimonkey9 said:
Alright. The stock video player failed to play both of those, and only played the audio and basic subtitles. MXplayer and Dice player both played the World God only knows video perfectly, but with only MXplayer perfectly applying all of the subtitle effects(which is pretty impressive). They both needed S/W rendering to play it however. They could only play Garden of Words with S/W rendering as well, though it did lag and stutter. The video for Garden of Worlds is honestly a nightmare with even most laptops being unable to play it, though I do expect that the Note 3 will eventually be able to play it with better optimizations from the video player apps in the future. Even though the world god only knows video was the same codec, it was at half the bitrate and had 2-channel sound instead of 6-channel. Like I said, that video is an overboard example. The phone literally plays every other video in my collection.
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Thanks for the report, hi10 compatibility is a major point for me too!
So, all videos play fine, even 1080p hi10 subbed, except some pretty heavy ones, like Garden of Words..
Maybe this was due to the bigger size (a movie and not episodes) and the sourround sound?

Just figured I'd post a more technical answer for people here who are wondering. The Note 3 does not appear to support hardware acceleration for High [email protected], or for most people who watch anime know it as, 10-bit. Now that doesn't mean it won't play it, but you aren't going to get 100% smooth video with it when video higher bittrate or 1080P video.
Just so you know I've pretty much watched every new anime that came out this season on my Note 3 (20+ shows) and not a single one had issues. At most I've only had one or two instances of stuttering which was attributed to other tasks in the background doing stuff, since it still is a phone. The Note 3 definitely is a beast and probably the best phone you could get for watching Anime. Heck, there's times where I'll sit on my bed watching an episode because it looks better than my computer screen.
But regardless, just know it doesn't really support it. This means that the H/W and H/W+ modes in MXPlayer (or any player you can get from and Android store) don't work on the video and it'll force you to use S/W mode (you can tell by the S/W mark on the top right of the video when you open the seek menu within MXPlayer)
So what does this mean exactly? Well even in S/W mode the phone has enough power to force its way through rendering anything as long as it's not too demanding. Several of the shows that came out this season are encoded 10-bit by quite a few groups and I have had no issues. The biggest one I've watched without issues is [UTW-Mazui]_Toaru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_S_-_24_[720p][1E0D545F] which comes in at about 800mb for the episode and definitely has one of the highest bittrates you'll see for currently aired Anime. Though do note the video is High [email protected] so it's not the newest format profile but it still forces the phone to use S/W mode. However the video plays perfectly fine with no stuttering or lag issues.
But once you go beyond that the phone's power just isn't enough to make up for the lack of hardware support. Playing [Coalgirls]_Sword_Art_Online_02_(1920x1080_Blu-ray_FLAC)_[483024FB] shows noticeable lag and is practically unwatchable. I would say I get around 10-15FPS, but that's really only an estimate. My guess is most 1080P 10-bit videos you'll watch with software mode will be unwatchable, however 720P 10-bit videos seem to be fine. I've thrown everything I can find at it and anything 720P 10-bit works perfecly. But do note that if the video is not 10-bit then you should have no problem at all watching it. I've watched [Coalgirls]_Infinite_Stratos_01_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[A9B39255] without any issues, and in fact completed that entire series on my phone without a single issue, however the phone does play back the video in H/W+ mode because it's not 10-bit.
I hope this helps someone decide on this phone. It is honestly the best phone I've ever owned and finally lets me watch all the Anime I want. While I wish it would watch every video I have as I have a lot of newer 1080P 10-bit stuff it still gets the job done better than any other phone I've tested. And my god lets not forget to mention the screen which is absolutely perfect for Anime viewing. The size makes the viewing a pleasure and the extra color options really make it perfect. Though there are settings to get the color accuracy down to normal if it is too colorful for your taste.
P.S. I also have a paid Chrunchyroll account and have had no issues watching anything there.
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wiimonkey9 said:
This was one of the first things I tried, to see whether or not it could handle my bluray quality anime. Guess what, IT DOES! Both MXplayer and even the stock player handle hi10p mkv bluray flac 1080p videos with ease. Also subtitles work great in both, but are substantially better in mxplayer which does some effects for the subtitles and can do more than one line at a time.
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I just want to make sure that no one buys the phone thinking this is true. MXPlayer will play 10-bit anime in S/W mode and the built in video player will say "unsupported video codec" While not ill intent was involved my guess is that wiimonkey9 probably tried 1080P MKV blu-rays that weren't 10-bit encoded. Read my post above if you want more information but I figured I'd quote this in case anyone does a Google search to get here like I did and immediately read his response.

GameBoiye said:
Just figured I'd post a more technical answer for people here who are wondering. The Note 3 does not appear to support hardware acceleration for High [email protected], or for most people who watch anime know it as, 10-bit. Now that doesn't mean it won't play it, but you aren't going to get 100% smooth video with it when video higher bittrate or 1080P video.
Just so you know I've pretty much watched every new anime that came out this season on my Note 3 (20+ shows) and not a single one had issues. At most I've only had one or two instances of stuttering which was attributed to other tasks in the background doing stuff, since it still is a phone. The Note 3 definitely is a beast and probably the best phone you could get for watching Anime. Heck, there's times where I'll sit on my bed watching an episode because it looks better than my computer screen.
But regardless, just know it doesn't really support it. This means that the H/W and H/W+ modes in MXPlayer (or any player you can get from and Android store) don't work on the video and it'll force you to use S/W mode (you can tell by the S/W mark on the top right of the video when you open the seek menu within MXPlayer)
So what does this mean exactly? Well even in S/W mode the phone has enough power to force its way through rendering anything as long as it's not too demanding. Several of the shows that came out this season are encoded 10-bit by quite a few groups and I have had no issues. The biggest one I've watched without issues is [UTW-Mazui]_Toaru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_S_-_24_[720p][1E0D545F] which comes in at about 800mb for the episode and definitely has one of the highest bittrates you'll see for currently aired Anime. Though do note the video is High [email protected] so it's not the newest format profile but it still forces the phone to use S/W mode. However the video plays perfectly fine with no stuttering or lag issues.
But once you go beyond that the phone's power just isn't enough to make up for the lack of hardware support. Playing [Coalgirls]_Sword_Art_Online_02_(1920x1080_Blu-ray_FLAC)_[483024FB] shows noticeable lag and is practically unwatchable. I would say I get around 10-15FPS, but that's really only an estimate. My guess is most 1080P 10-bit videos you'll watch with software mode will be unwatchable, however 720P 10-bit videos seem to be fine. I've thrown everything I can find at it and anything 720P 10-bit works perfecly. But do note that if the video is not 10-bit then you should have no problem at all watching it. I've watched [Coalgirls]_Infinite_Stratos_01_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[A9B39255] without any issues, and in fact completed that entire series on my phone without a single issue, however the phone does play back the video in H/W+ mode because it's not 10-bit.
I hope this helps someone decide on this phone. It is honestly the best phone I've ever owned and finally lets me watch all the Anime I want. While I wish it would watch every video I have as I have a lot of newer 1080P 10-bit stuff it still gets the job done better than any other phone I've tested. And my god lets not forget to mention the screen which is absolutely perfect for Anime viewing. The size makes the viewing a pleasure and the extra color options really make it perfect. Though there are settings to get the color accuracy down to normal if it is too colorful for your taste.
P.S. I also have a paid Chrunchyroll account and have had no issues watching anything there.
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I just want to make sure that no one buys the phone thinking this is true. MXPlayer will play 10-bit anime in S/W mode and the built in video player will say "unsupported video codec" While not ill intent was involved my guess is that wiimonkey9 probably tried 1080P MKV blu-rays that weren't 10-bit encoded. Read my post above if you want more information but I figured I'd quote this in case anyone does a Google search to get here like I did and immediately read his response.
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Is this for a particular type of anime. or just Anime in general?
Is this for specific MKV files running bluray (fullHD) rips?

dragonstalker said:
Is this for a particular type of anime. or just Anime in general?
Is this for specific MKV files running bluray (fullHD) rips?
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This isn't specifically only related to Anime or MKV files, it's more specifically related to the h.264 standard. You can read a brief description of it here: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Hi10P and a more indepth description here: http://x264.nl/x264/10bit_01-ateme_pierre_larbier_422_10-bit.pdf
While it can be used for any videos, it's primarily used for Anime as it can provide better video at the same bittrate. It fixes a lot of problems that come with animation being encoded such as banding. It can be used for regular content but the benefit for non-animation medium is not enough to justify the increase in processing power and lack of hardware support to get people to switch.

Video stuttering

Hello everyone. At first I have to say that english isn't my first language so please be understanding.
I've just bought new Note 3 and was pleased with it, until I've found that something is wrong with playing videos. When I try to watch some videos(for example anime) online, it is stuttering. Audio is ok but video lags like hell. Lets take videos from www*auby*no/files/video_tests/ (sorry I had to change "." with "*" because I was unable to post link to another site )as an examples.First I tried playing them online using official player and MX Player(using hardware decoding and software decoding). Then I downloaded them and tried playing again. While playing online using official player, every movie except Shrinkage and Shrinkage 2 was choppy. Playing them with use of MX Player with H/W resulted int the same thing(video lags), but when I changed to S/W everything run smoothly(except first two movies). Next I downloaded them and again tried to play them with official player, and guess what? Everything was ok. The same was with MX Player with H/W and of course S/W.
I also tried to play movies online with worse resolution (480p) and they were ok but other videos with 720p were stuttering. I also tried to play video in 720p using mobile-friendly online player and had lags, but when I played THE SAME video using not mobile-friendly online player(with usage of Flash Player) it was ok...
So dear friends I don't know what to do so I am counting on your help, because I really want to be able to watch movies online on this badass screen.

Try DicePlayer. Still one of the best players IMO, and one of the few that can play videos directly off of Windows network shares (though I use ES File Explorer to browse and Dice to play)
No stutter here playing even 10+Mbps 1080p h264 over wireless from samba shares on my NAS. (Haven't tried 20Mbps yet)

Well, I've tried this DicePlayer and it is really nice but only with playing videos where I can choose which player to use. If I, for example want to watch a movie on dailymotion I can't choose if I want to use MxPlayer or DicePlayer or something else. I have to watch it using dailymotion player (right?) and using these kind of players make videos stutter. That's my problem.

Note 3 has a problem. Verizon and ATT versions also show stuttering when streaming video. I have it in YouTube and other videos that streamed from a website.
We shouldn't have to use third party players, especially when it's not even an option (can't choose one) or in the case of youtube it's an app. This is nonsense. Samsung needs to address this issue. How can we contact them? I've been trying to figure that out.

Techweed said:
Note 3 has a problem. Verizon and ATT versions also show stuttering when streaming video. I have it in YouTube and other videos that streamed from a website.
We shouldn't have to use third party players, especially when it's not even an option (can't choose one) or in the case of youtube it's an app. This is nonsense. Samsung needs to address this issue. How can we contact them? I've been trying to figure that out.
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huh i havn't run into this problem myself, can you give me a youtube video that does it for sure so i can see it too?

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huh i havn't run into this problem myself, can you give me a youtube video that does it for sure so i can see it too?
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I never said it was every handset. But I've seen complaints regarding this issue on t mobile, verizon, att and the international version. I haven't checked others.
Try any hd video. They show it the most. But if you don't have the issue I don't expect you to see symptoms.

Try another browser with java support like maxthon
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Ok. I've noticed another thing. Stuttering happens only with films in HD. For example I've played some film from vimeo in (probably) 480p and it was fine, but after playing it in 720p lags occurred. Also I've tried maxthon but it didn't help.
So, to sum up everything for now, stuttering occurs when I try to play HD films online, where I can't choose players like DicePlayer or MxPlayer and have to use "built-in" online players (for example on Dailymotion or Vimeo) and also when I try to play films online (which I can play using players on my note) using official player or MxPlayer with H/W or H/W+.

I talked to Samsung via Chat and the guy said he's never heard of this issue. I find that amazing since I've seen the complaints all versions of the Note 3.
We shouldn't have to watch videos in 480p and we shouldn't have to switch browsers. All this does is try to avoid running into a problem that shouldn't be there to begin with.
It's a high end device with a low end problem. Something is wrong. I suggest you all that are having issues to tell Samsung about it. Call or chat or do some type of communication.

I've talked with someone from samsung via live chat and he said that if phone doesn't have problem with playing films on sd card it isn't problem with phone itself. He also said that he will pass it to proper department. Also doesn't this problem seem like this one? Maybe it's not problem with note 3 but with JB 4.3?

Yeah you're right, can't stream some HD videos, especially on vimeo. Youtube is fine for me on full hd. Anything downloaded plays perfectly though.

I've had this issue on two different T-Mobile notes. HD videos in any browser for me stutter. I'm hoping its software related and can get patched soon.
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I'm hoping its software related and can get patched soon.
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I hope that it will come out soon if it's software related, because if it was hardware related I would have to change it and it restrains me for now from rooting it.