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HTC Annoucement related to 2.3 and Sense

http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc-romania/gingerbread-pentru-htc-desire/223475751011104
They say that HTC Desire memory doesn't support Sense and 2.3. As usual, the smart guys around here proved that it does work

It doesn't have the memory for it, we know that. The Devs have proved it can run it but only using EXT partitions on the SD card which Google won't use as the average user won't know how to make one
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"Our teams of engineers have worked hard in recent months to update the Gingerbread HTC HTC Desire without compromising Sense experience that you have grown accustomed to our phones. However, we are sorry but we must assume that there is enough memory to allow portability and storage Gingerbread experience on HTC HTC Sense Desire. We are very sorry for the disappointment that this news will cause many of you."

So... They say it will stick on froyo or update with old sense?
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So its true ...
On a lighter note...
XDA Desire DEVS RULE, you know who you are snq-, NeoPhYte.x360, RCTeam, BaadNwz, CoolExe and anybody body else i cant think of now.
I would rather spend my money on you guys because you offer way better support.

Wow, that really sucks!

Here's the announcement in English
facebook.com/notes/htc-uk/desire-and-gingerbread-update/225607660802056
Sorry for the borked link, not enough posts yet. Perhaps I lurk too much?

http://facebook.com/notes/htc-uk/desire-and-gingerbread-update/225607660802056
link for you.
thanks murdi

So HTC say that the phone can't run Gingerbread and Sense - but the leaked one did...?
so why not leave the old sense on and update the phone - or better yet - update it to the latest version of Froyo and fix the bugs with the HTC mail etc. so that it can work with Hotmail EAS...
little things would be nicer than squat... even though I'm not going to use it

Well, this is my first and last htc device.

I totally don't care... Sense UI sucks, CyanogenMod, MIUI & AdamG are the best

this is bull**** guys!!
the wildifre S has the same amount of memory and runs gingerbread and sense 2.1 and even with the 3.0 lockscreen!!!! their just as lazy as ****

I am so f.... mad right now, was waiting for this f.... gingerbread and now he wont come... I wont buy HTC phone anymore just becouse this tease. And I am going to tell all my friends not to buy any of their products anymore.

andQlimax said:
Well, this is my first and last htc device.
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That's a shame - I do like HTC's phones and the only thing that let this phone down was the low internal memory situation, and their excuse for this too.
I'd buy another but i'd be a little cautious about it next time.
My Blackstone/Touch HD is still working very well, and that hasn't had any updates for ages but it looks like a NAND image may be coming soon for it which will spring some life into it again...
So the Desire is far from dead as the dev's here can perform miracles sometimes...
still plan on keeping my phone for the remainder of this year at least with the hopes that the custom roms keep me going!

Wow, a lot of fickle people on this forum...
Guys, we were never guaranteed updates from HTC at any point. The fact we got FroYo was because it was the top line device at the time. You can't compare the Wildfire S to the Desire. The Desire is over a year old, the Wildfire is less than a month old - of course it'll get a new version.

EddyOS said:
Wow, a lot of fickle people on this forum...
Guys, we were never guaranteed updates from HTC at any point. The fact we got FroYo was because it was the top line device at the time. You can't compare the Wildfire S to the Desire. The Desire is over a year old, the Wildfire is less than a month old - of course it'll get a new version.
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but then its bull**** if they say its the 'memory', just say ITS TOO OLD TO UPDATE! .
just be honest HTC!!!! dont come with lies!

I know no one guaranteed the update..and also don't care so much because the are the custom roms..
But anyway nothing good in htc for me..That just my opnion

nickislauw said:
but then its bull**** if they say its the 'memory', just say ITS TOO OLD TO UPDATE! .
just be honest HTC!!!! dont come with lies!
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absolutely agreed! It's a shame...

I mentioned before that the Google I/O stated that manufacturers should put the latest version on phones if the hardware can cope - if that applies here then that is a great get-out-clause for not upgrading the desire..
although - we do know that HTC worked on it - see leaked rom.

Lothaen said:
I mentioned before that the Google I/O stated that manufacturers should put the latest version on phones if the hardware can cope - if that applies here then that is a great get-out-clause for not upgrading the desire..
although - we do know that HTC worked on it - see leaked rom.
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their just to lazy man!!

andQlimax said:
Well, this is my first and last htc device.
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... but don't forget; when desire came to the market (April 2010) it came with v2.1 eclair, then abt 4 months later, upgraded to 2.2 froyo whereas SE-X10 came with 1.6 (donut) almost at the same time with the desire and upgraded to eclair in November or December 2010, on the other side, Samsung Galaxy-S came with eclair in summer 2010, upgraded to froyo just two or three months ago (know that it will receive GB too soon).. shortly I cannot blame or judge HTC with that; when I decided to buy my Desire, it was the best choice to date (April 2010). Now the only way to root and step into the cooked rom world.
Cheers!
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[Q] Sensation or DHD

Hi All,
I have the chance to get a Sensation tomorrow for free
I currently use the DHD and think the phone is awesome. Has anyone here had experience with both? I just wondered if the Sensation actually compares to the DHD or if it has any problems etc.
The main thing I can see immediately is the Sensation still doesn't have full root where as my DHD has boot unlocked and full root access so I swap my roms around quite often. Hopefully this will come soon to the sensation.
Anyway, if people who have already defected or played with both could let me know whether I'll feel impressed if I do get the Sensation please let me know your thoughts.
Thanks!

never mind,... only searched the DHD forums... just found this on the sensation forums.
same question sorry!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1170169

I think you should go for sensation as i dont think its gonna take too long for the developers on xda to root it. hope for the best

Moreover its better to have latest hardware to be future proof as the mobile hardware is improving drastically with cellphones having dual core processors and 1gb ram

For free? Seriously? Then why you're still asking this question? Just go for it already. You're the 2nd person i've met who gets sensation for free.
Dammit you're so lucky.
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guliavikas47 said:
I think you should go for sensation as i dont think its gonna take too long for the developers on xda to root it. hope for the best
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Won't be necessary. Htc have announced they will be unlocking the Sensation bootloader via ota in August. The phone is already rootable for those who were light enough to get themselves an unlocked engineering phone.
Sent from my Cyanogenmod 7 phone.

For free then yes, as said when bootloader is unlocked devs will support it just think of it as a faster bigger brother to the DHD.
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Thanks for the replies everyone even though this is a double post
Sounds fairly unanimous to me, guess I'll have to pick it up

sensation definitely

I wouldn't go for the Sensation just yet, because I don't see any direct benefits from it, except for the higher resolution screen and the dual-core CPU. It is even a downgrade in some terms, since it's flash memory is smaller than DHD's. 1080p recording isn't a big of a deal, since the camera quality is just as bad as with all the other HTC devices. If you are after the fancy Sense 3.0 stuff, you can have it on your DHD with custom ROMs already. Plus, the high res is relatively new and there are still apps on the market you will have issues with. Thus, I would wait (and I will ) for the next flagship device, when the high res stuff is well established and there are no compatibility issues etc.
BUT, if you can get it for free and can live without root for some time, it's a different story, of course. Since its value is higher than that of DHD, I would probably go for it, but only to sell it later and get the next, proper flagship device

Funnily enough svyat that was my initial thought on the matter but you seem fairly certain this won't be HTC's flagship device. I don't really follow this stuff as much as I used to, do you know something I don't?? Do HTC have something else hidden away that they are going to sneak out anytime soon?
Cheers.

Called the htc holiday
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Flagship phones only remain so for around 6 months, so continually clamouring after the latest-and-greatest is futile. If your Sensation is 'free' on a new 18/24 month contract, I'd be inclined to wait and see what HTC announce in the next couple of months...

Pasting said:
you seem fairly certain this won't be HTC's flagship device.
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It definitely is their current flagship device.
Pasting said:
do you know something I don't??
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Not really, but eventually there will be another flagship device anyway.
mattmiller said:
Called the htc holiday
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This could well be it
mjt said:
Flagship phones only remain so for around 6 months
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True
mjt said:
continually clamouring after the latest-and-greatest is futile
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Wrong. I need to have the best flagship device at all times

svyat said:
I wouldn't go for the Sensation just yet, because I don't see any direct benefits from it, except for the higher resolution screen and the dual-core CPU. It is even a downgrade in some terms, since it's flash memory is smaller than DHD's. 1080p recording isn't a big of a deal, since the camera quality is just as bad as with all the other HTC devices. If you are after the fancy Sense 3.0 stuff, you can have it on your DHD with custom ROMs already. Plus, the high res is relatively new and there are still apps on the market you will have issues with. Thus, I would wait (and I will ) for the next flagship device, when the high res stuff is well established and there are no compatibility issues etc.
BUT, if you can get it for free and can live without root for some time, it's a different story, of course. Since its value is higher than that of DHD, I would probably go for it, but only to sell it later and get the next, proper flagship device
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+1. My criteria for a device is a) Android, b) good spec, c) "supported" by xda-developers
For the last point, read ROMs and the knowledge base.
All the same, if anyone wants to give me a Sensation, I won't refuse

Well... ok, maybe I should qualify my statement.
Continually clamouring after the latest-and-greatest is futile if you haven't got pocket-loads of disposable income. If you have, then go for it....
Since getting married and having children, such care-free days of unbridled tech-spending are long gone....

senstation is faster

sensation in better

Listen it's already confirmed Att will be releasing the htc holiday across the seas. It's estimated the name here in the us would be the Inspire HD. Jus like the mytouch series and the vibrant series. This phone is expected to be packed and quad core probably with the latest dual core chipset by the time it's released, be the best an latest. Wait till the htc holiday, it will be out this year around the 4th quarter of the year.
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mjt said:
Well... ok, maybe I should qualify my statement.
Continually clamouring after the latest-and-greatest is futile if you haven't got pocket-loads of disposable income. If you have, then go for it....
Since getting married and having children, such care-free days of unbridled tech-spending are long gone....
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You can also sell your current device and use the proceeds to buy the next best thing.

Good-bye (and thanks for all the fish...)

After yesterday's disapointing release I finally bit the bullet and got a new 'phone from my network operator. I was offered a choice between the HTC sensation and the Samsung Galaxy II and I went for the latter mainly because I was not impressed with the HTC approach to the GB update. I will move to reading their section in xda.
To all those that have helped me either through lurking on their threads or by answering my questions I just wanted to say thank-you!

Enjoy your new phone! Although I didn't think Samsung are any better at updates lol
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Laters!
if you want updates you need to go Nexus really.
Samsung are flavour of the month for the moment - but remember their FroYo release? It took about 3-4 months after HTC's release...
Failing that you just need to go AOSP with a custom rom - which you can do on almost any handset.
Perhaps you should address your goodbye to HTC directly

here you are
Flashlight

Have you heard of custom roms?

Mates just let him be

erklat said:
mates just let him be
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+1
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Good luck with your samsung things, grass isn't always greener and better in next door!

Well update to Gb which HTC released is in my opinion great cause they just do everything they were able to port GB to desire and than just released it for developers. For some time we will have great custom roms with official Gb, alreadywe have SuperNova by Droidzone.
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killerofsniper said:
Good luck with your samsung things, grass isn't always greener and better in next door!
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The greener the grass the more s*it it contains

I love my Desire
I love the my Desire, and pretty sure it is going to be the Android phone I would use for at least 1.5 years.
The main reason being there are so many Desire users, the ROMs just keep coming and getting better.

Like op i've moved from a desire to a sgs2 for many reasons, mainly my contract was up and I didn't like the lag on the sensation screen! But what gets me is how many people keep going on about custom roms for the desire. Of course there are loads the phone is old in tech year's, I'm sure the same will happen to the sgs2 in about 6 months, but to be honest I don't find much difference between the 2 apart from never having to think about how many applications I can have. Ie running out of memory! As they say you pay ya money and make ya choice.
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I was thinking of selling my desire and buy a Sensation but when I read all those user comments about all the issues I changed my mind, sensation still have that nice look, but when we talk about software I cant say the same of what I hear, now I dont know what to do to keep desire and wait until they release some new phone wich will work normal, or give up of HTC and buy some other brand with android.

Lothaen said:
Samsung are flavour of the month for the moment - but remember their FroYo release? It took about 3-4 months after HTC's release...
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True, but Samsung didn't promise Desire users Gingerbread and a new version of Sense and failed to deliver.
I got the Desire based on this, and know I feel they flipped the finger, so I can't really blame OP for ditching HTC.

I'm surprised google didn't have a word with them since google set out a baseline for all phone manufacturers that each handset should get at least 18 month's of updates? Therefore google is saying the max size each version of android is gonna be and the processing power requirements! It's like the htc wildfire this will never see gingerbread as it has the same if not less memory and power than the desire! Yet its a newer phone than the desire! Or is it google just doesn't care? And is letting phone manufacturers get away with it?
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helterskelter said:
True, but Samsung didn't promise Desire users Gingerbread and a new version of Sense and failed to deliver.
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Afaik Gingerbread was delivered 6 hours behind the schedule and Sense 2.1 was never mentioned by any credible source of information, but as it seems you collect your info from the same people who scream that release on their page is beta I kind of understand where you got that.
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to give up of HTC and buy some other band with android.
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I think this would be the most plausible choice.

lordjester said:
I'm surprised google didn't have a word with them since google set out a baseline for all phone manufacturers that each handset should get at least 18 month's of updates? Therefore google is saying the max size each version of android is gonna be and the processing power requirements! It's like the htc wildfire this will never see gingerbread as it has the same if not less memory and power than the desire! Yet its a newer phone than the desire! Or is it google just doesn't care? And is letting phone manufacturers get away with it?
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If I remember Google said 18 months where hardware allows....
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Enjoy your next phone. I will also change my desire for the new SGSII. I have many problems with the desire´s motherboard.
Ciao

I love when people talk about companies "promising" something and then moan when it doesn't happen. Reminds me of the old days in the school playground...
From what I can see, HTC did thier best to deliver, but unfortunately the constraints of the device stopped them being able to do more. What do people expect them to do, come over and upgrade the memory in each phone?
Some people just want the moon on a stick.

Note to OP, it's 'so long' not 'good-bye'

[Q] Original ICS for Desire?

Does anybody know, if HTC is going to build a stock ICS-version? Because Samsung is going to make one for the SGS, which is released only two months later, and it has more or less the same system specification.
PS:Sorry for my bad english, I'm still a student

No. It almost didn't get Gingerbread.

but the desire got gingerbread, look here: htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads

big_X said:
but the desire got gingerbread, look here: htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads
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He said almost. The desire HD isn't getting it, and that's the next Gen of the desire. Case closed
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big_X said:
Does anybody know, if HTC is going to build a stock ICS-version? Because Samsung is going to make one for the SGS, which is released only two months later, and it has more or less the same system specification.
PS:Sorry for my bad english, I'm still a student
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And it has hardware specs superior to Desire, not to mention 15 times larger internal memory.
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erklat said:
And it has hardware specs superior to Desire, not to mention 15 times larger internal memory.
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Also known as: Lazy corporations not caring about the customers. F*ck HTC, bad build quality, not keeping phones up-to-date, only good thing is their customer service which fixed my phone every time no questions asked. Next phone will be Samsung.

bortak said:
Also known as: Lazy corporations not caring about the customers. F*ck HTC, bad build quality, not keeping phones up-to-date, only good thing is their customer service which fixed my phone every time no questions asked. Next phone will be Samsung.
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You think HTC is bad build quality? Whenever I hold a SGS2 in my hand, ive got the feeling im holding a worthless piece of plastic. I still have a few months to think about the new phone im goinna pick, but I think I will miss Sense too much once I choose a non htc phone.

No, as the others already said, there wont be an original ICS-ROM for the Desire.
And the user "stankyou" meant by saying "No. It almost didn't get Gingerbread." that the stock Gingerbread ROM on Desire is just a light version of GB.
And yeah, its really a evidence of incapacity of HTC to not support a not even 2 years old flagship (at the time it was launched) smartphone. But Samsung and most of the other Android smartphones producers are quite the same unfortunately. Only Sony (Ericsson) showed way more effort in the last few months.
And for me HTC really lost the lead in technology a bit and some people are also saying that the devices of HTC suffer the loss of manufacture quality. My next Phone will probably be a Samsung even though the quality of the covers isnt the best.

There are several ICS Roms in development - but these are all stock.
I'd imagine once HTC Roms with ICS start getting out in the wild, somebody will probably try and port them to the Desire.
Considering the limited hardware, I wouldn't hold out too much hope for them being any good though.

big_X said:
Does anybody know, if HTC is going to build a stock ICS-version? Because Samsung is going to make one for the SGS, which is released only two months later, and it has more or less the same system specification.
PS:Sorry for my bad english, I'm still a student
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Wrong. Samsung isn't releasing ICS for the original Galaxy S. They might be releasing a 'value pack'.
And im100% sure that the original Desire won't get ICS officially.
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[Q]Cyanogenmod for HTC One X?

Hi all.
Wondering if anyone is considering devving for CM on the HTC One X?
It looks as though the Asus Transformer Prime (Tegra 3) has nightlies http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?device=tf201&type=nightly
so there is some hope, in terms of CPU support.
I think HTC are a little less sluggish in releasing source too these days? Which bodes well.
Please use the poll to show support, would be interested to know how people feel about CM on the One X, personally I really hope it happens!

Well it looks as though people want a ROM, any devs care to volunteer?

I will be glad if that ROM will rise !

HOX without cm would be very disappointing....

Anyone have any news on the likelihood of a CM9 build for the HTC One X?

Think we just have to wait and see how popular the phone is first :-(
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The phone will be popular, no question.
It's not a matter of if there is a CM9 build - just when.
M.

CM developers have one rule... one rule only... don't ask for ETA, you aren't asking that but they never seem to reply to us asking if a certain phone will be supported... Anyway seeing as the One X is a flagship device it will definitely be getting sometime... but for now i don't give a ****e about ROM's, i only care about the phone getting Revolutionary boot unlocker and root

I'd love CM on the phone. Came to it from an SGS II, and I really miss CM9.

I have test a long time CM7 on my SGS 2.
I was very surprise before that i don't know how look stock android.
CM is fast but have some problem with my carradio using my SGS 2 with USB.
Sense working good with it i hope a CM9 on Hox would not have the same problem.

Is anyone working on it?

Ive already started working on CM9 for the One S. However, HTC is slow with releasing the kernel source, making the job much much harder. If we are lucky, HTC will get around and help us out, if not, it might take a while before things are working.

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Ive already started working on CM9 for the One S. However, HTC is slow with releasing the kernel source, making the job much much harder. If we are lucky, HTC will get around and help us out, if not, it might take a while before things are working.
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Well, thank you very much. Now that I know I won't stuck with a stock rom, I might just take advantage of TMO's upgrade offer.

Again, we are dependant on the kernel source and even then the imageSense.chip drivers probably won't be released. There's some useful stuff on CodeAurora for it though so with time I'm sure we will figure it out
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As long as WiFi, Pandora, and Firefox work, I'm good to go. I've probably taken about 40 pictures with my G2 that's two years old. I deal in data more than graphics. All I need are my tunes and slashdot fix ;-)
As soon as SWMBO signs off on the upgrade, I'll be ordering. I'll need to wait until after Mother's day, though. That's gonna take some cash

http://android.modaco.com/index.php...d-9-|-Boot,-Graphics,-Bluetooth,-Wifi-working

I posted on CM wondering the same thing. Hopefully it happens pretty soon; we do need a s-off exploit though before a CM rom.

we do need a s-off exploit though before a CM rom.
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Correct S-off is gonna be needed.
Just give it some time it will come.

i used CM on my Droid 1 sometimes, but phone cams have been improved and customized a lot since then. is CM usually/always using a generic camera or do they include HTCs?

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Correct S-off is gonna be needed.
Just give it some time it will come.
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Why? We can flash both custom kernels and roms with s-on (as long as it's unlocked through htcdev, ofc), right? Then why would we need s-off? Sure, it would be really nice to have, but it's not needed to get CM on our device.
Correct me if Im wrong.