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HD7 or MyTouch?

I'm on T-Mobile USA and these two devices are both coming out next month. I've had (and loved) Android since the HTC Magic came out last year. I love the MyTouch for it's FFC and the newest gen procs. However, I'm pretty drawn to the HD7 for it's new OS and large SLCD, however disappointed in lack of FFC (regardless of how little I would realistically use it), and it's first gen procs. It's got the same "guts" as my N1, but it's runs so well from the demos I've seen this week.
Anyone else out there with the same dilemma? Which is better?
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sort of, it has the adreno 205 gpu on it.

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sort of, it has the adreno 205 gpu on it.
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I know the myTouch has it. Are you referring to the HD7? Because if you are and it's true, I think I found my next phone
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hmarcus said:
I'm on T-Mobile USA and these two devices are both coming out next month. I've had (and loved) Android since the HTC Magic came out last year. I love the MyTouch for it's FFC and the newest gen procs. However, I'm pretty drawn to the HD7 for it's new OS and large SLCD, however disappointed in lack of FFC (regardless of how little I would realistically use it), and it's first gen procs. It's got the same "guts" as my N1, but it's runs so well from the demos I've seen this week.
Anyone else out there with the same dilemma? Which is better?
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I am in the same boat as you. I have a nexus one and have loved it, but I am really liking WP7 so far. I believe that with such high minimum specs, the OS will see some nice apps and games in the near future.
I am about 90% sure that I am going to switch, I just have to decide between the HD7 and the Dell pro slide phone.

according to a couple sources the hd7 uses the msm8250 which has the adreno 205 gpu on it. same one as the g2.

diablos991 said:
I am in the same boat as you. I have a nexus one and have loved it, but I am really liking WP7 so far. I believe that with such high minimum specs, the OS will see some nice apps and games in the near future.
I am about 90% sure that I am going to switch, I just have to decide between the HD7 and the Dell pro slide phone.
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Ya the XBL game demos were nice. This and the Zune integration is what draws me to the platform. Since I have an N1 now I haven't been too concerned about updates, however MS will be starting on top of all that is great.
As far as the Dell; I love everything about it especially the gorilla glass, it's just that KB doesn't look like it's worth the added weight and thickness to the phone. However I saw a sign of a FFC on the Dell unbranded VP so that could be interesting.
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There are alot of information flying about.
Someone contacted HTC asking what processor, and was told the MSM processor, though, Microsofts webpage states QSD8250.
Someone else contacted HTC about the screen, and was told it had a standard TFT screen (Slashgear also states this).
At the end of the day, whether or not the myTouch will have a superior CPU doesn't matter by the fact that it runs android, games are written to be compatible with low end android sets, meaning if the myTouch had a tegra, games would still look crap.
The Galaxy S is a good example. It's GPU pushes about 80million triangles per sec, compare this with iPhone4's 28million.... now show me ANY game on Android that looks better than that on iOS? And the thing is I highly doubt there are much, if any, games on iOS that use half of its power. (Epic citadel and an upcoming iOS game called Aralon shows off what the 3GS/iPhone4/iPad can do. Not sure how much triangles/poylgons its pushing tho).
The Adreno200 pushes about 22million, which isn't a big difference compared with the iPhone, so games would be comparable.
There is a rumour that Android 3.0 will bring in minimum hardware requirements to reduce fragmentation, we'll see.

Cruzer1 said:
There are alot of information flying about.
Someone contacted HTC asking what processor, and was told the MSM processor, though, Microsofts webpage states QSD8250.
Someone else contacted HTC about the screen, and was told it had a standard TFT screen (Slashgear also states this).
At the end of the day, whether or not the myTouch will have a superior CPU doesn't matter by the fact that it runs android, games are written to be compatible with low end android sets, meaning if the myTouch had a tegra, games would still look crap.
The Galaxy S is a good example. It's GPU pushes about 80million triangles per sec, compare this with iPhone4's 28million.... now show me ANY game on Android that looks better than that on iOS? And the thing is I highly doubt there are much, if any, games on iOS that use half of its power. (Epic citadel and an upcoming iOS game called Aralon shows off what the 3GS/iPhone4/iPad can do. Not sure how much triangles/poylgons its pushing tho).
The Adreno200 pushes about 22million, which isn't a big difference compared with the iPhone, so games would be comparable.
There is a rumour that Android 3.0 will bring in minimum hardware requirements to reduce fragmentation, we'll see.
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Very true, while I like to think of myself as an HTC/Android fanboy, however I always have to lend Android its faults. Gaming and media are huge and Android more or less fails in these areas. Games are horrid, though Angry Birds is always fun. Games just don't look finished or just look like the crappy 2005 Java versions on like a Moto RAZR. In fact, looking at my apps on my N1, almost all of them are apps just to make my phone run smoother or look better ie setCPU, LCD density changer, ASTRO, Ti Backup etc. That's not to say I don't like games, it's just that there's not too great of a collection when you compare to iOS or the upcoming games for WP7.
And if the HD7 has the G2's proc and an SLCD screen like the Desire HD, it will be even more amazing in my eyes. All I'd want is HSPA+, however, that part is MS's fault.

hmarcus said:
Ya the XBL game demos were nice. This and the Zune integration is what draws me to the platform. Since I have an N1 now I haven't been too concerned about updates, however MS will be starting on top of all that is great.
As far as the Dell; I love everything about it especially the gorilla glass, it's just that KB doesn't look like it's worth the added weight and thickness to the phone. However I saw a sign of a FFC on the Dell unbranded VP so that could be interesting.
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The only concerns I have with the dell is the keyboard quality and thickness. I would have to hold the unit and play around with it first. I really hope that the Hd7 has the updated processor, but I really doubt it will.
All will be revealed soon though.

Same issue with me, I have loved Android for a while now, however WP7 looks so attractive, HSPA+ is not an issue because:
1. My area doesn't have HSPA+
2. T-Mobile states that all devices running standard 3g will also notice a significant improvement to their speeds as well, which is great as well
Really I made up my mind on the HD7, I saw the apps on the zune market and a lot of em weren't that great, however I know I have to wait... I see though that the WP7 marketplace has increased in apps, so I think I might just get the HD7, or try both devices.

I would go with the HD7. Try something new and the games are WP7 are fantastic.
It definitely has its shortcomings, but the most important ones are coming.

Games on the Galaxy Nexus [VIDEO]

It handles quite good and the phone didn't get that hot.

Hah.. It's not about me it's about you and showing you these games.
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looks smooth - well impressed

now get a list of the best games and apps together

really really good

All I'm worried about is that the next gen games won't work well with the Galaxy Nexus. These games look great, but with Apple and other companies (e.g Samsung) pushing mobile gaming, and the new mobile GPU's that are coming out, ours is already obsoleted and probably won't be good enough to play a lot of games in the future
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mohitrocks said:
All I'm worried about is that the next gen games won't work well with the Galaxy Nexus. These games look great, but with Apple and other companies (e.g Samsung) pushing mobile gaming, and the new mobile GPU's that are coming out, ours is already obsoleted and probably won't be good enough to play a lot of games in the future
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From what I've seen, gaming on the "higher end" phones simply just add useless eye candy and don't effect overall game play at all. I love eye candy, don't get me wrong, but I don't fear that we'll be left out in the cold.
With Quad-Core not even out yet, I don't think we'll be seeing anything that requires a "Quad-Core or higher" for a long time.
I also just noticed how the software buttons rotate depending on orientation. Life's simple joy!

Forgive me for not being so knowledgeable on technology, but I would be mistaken in thinking that even if Quad-Core is released, most phones won't even be able to utilise it properly for a good year or two? And by the time they are put to good use, all our Galaxy Nexus contracts will be up and we'll be eligible for an upgrade and we'll be hopping on the newest Nexus?
So quad-core doesn't even matter for a while even if they are being released next year?
Back on topic the phone looks insanely smooth, even when you had all them games open it was silky! I'm loving it a lot, getting it tomorrow

could you test the kairosoft games? like game dev story and the others?
on honeycomb if you used mulittouch zooming all their apps crashed. kinda worried it may be the same with the GNex.

The screen is good but until the games are updated 'proper' we will not know how good performance can really be.
The screen is really good.

I read on another thread that Gameloft games will not work on the Nexus, is that true?
Edit: Nevermind, I just saw the video and he plays 9mm

momagic said:
The screen is good but until the games are updated 'proper' we will not know how good performance can really be.
The screen is really good.
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Exactly my thoughts. For example on mine Plants v. Zombies looks great and works great for a few minutes, then freezes when under heavy load (i.e. "Final Wave" pushes). It can't be the GPU or memory issues because other (just as graphically heavy- if not more so) games (like Tiki Golf 2) are perfect.

I just want to clarify how good that first game is?

Check out the Verge's Transformer Prime review http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/1/2601558/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-review
They play the game and attach it to a 52" HD screen!

Virtua tennis not compatible.

Ok when I bought my nexus, I was aware of the issues regarding the fragmentation of the Android market, which results in compatability of most games, and wasn't expecting to use the device as a gaming unit anyway, as I have an ipod touch, just for gaming. But was out on research this weekend and didn't carry my ipod, and due to the bad weather in England, ended up staying longer, were we was, so I read an article that stated that virtua tennis by Sega,which was previously only exclusive to Sega, was now available for other android devices, so bearing in mind this phone is Google, s own baby, fired android market or play, as it's now called, and you can imagine my surprise when I was met with "app not compatible with your phone ", seriously, what chance do other phones have if the Google phone itself has compatibility issues with some games unbelievable to say the least. So that means, the developers loose out as I cannot purchase the app, and this is were IOS is stronger, on gaming only, otherwise android is better everything else, I wish Google would sort this out.

It's up to the app developer to make updates for in this case ICS and higher resolution. ICS is still fairly young so not all developers have updated or will ever update their apps for new versions.
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ICS will slowly work out problems such as this. The problem is that not everything that came before ICS will make the transition. The other problem is that ICS is too new. Aside from the Nexus users, ICS barely exists. Updates are only now rolling out for certain phones.
It's frustrating now, but hopefully in the future things will become better. Google is working hard at this. They've already started releasing better tools to devs.

If the app shows up on Google Play on your phone then it sure should be compatible or it would not be there. Did you change your screen density? That is one thing that will give you an app incompatability issue in the market.

Xperia PLAY or LG Optimus 3d?

So I've had an AMAZING year with my Xperia PLAY.. Being my first android phone,I was instantly hook on Android n now realize how weak Symbian/Windows Mobile/Apple are compared to Android.. So after a year of joy and amazement from this legendary mobile operating system I feel I need to move up from a 1Ghz single core to a dual core.. I have a friend with an LG optimus 3d (Really Good condition)that wants to swap for my PLAY... Any Suggestions if I should go ahead?

See here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1801021
It's really your personal choice
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Thanks man.. the reason I got this phone was because I love gaming.. but my skills aren't limited to gamepad/touchpad only.. while the PLAY is an AWESOME device! playin games on touch screen won't bring about the end of smartphone gaming..
btw,I'm newly registered to the community,this was my first post,and you gave the first reply.. thanks a lot KindaUndisputed :good:

neh, i heard the optimus 3d flunked.. i get dizzy using it..

I have a two friends, one has the evo 3d the other the lg 3d phone. Neither of them have used the 3d in over a year. There's a reason HTC killed 3d after one phone. Its cool but only for a bit..personally I would keep my play. Even if they gave me a 3d phone I wouldn't use it. Just my thoughts.
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Does a bigger and better screen, and a dual core processor make up for not having a gamepad? Having the gamepad, just makes gaming so much better but sometimes I wish the phone would be faster and have better graphics. So it's your choice: [gamepad with worse graphics and somewhat less smooth gameplay] or [No gamepad with better graphics and very smooth gameplay that will never lag]. I do love my Play but I would take the newer phone. The hardware on the Play is very outdated.

Potato13 said:
Does a bigger and better screen, and a dual core processor make up for not having a gamepad? Having the gamepad, just makes gaming so much better but sometimes I wish the phone would be faster and have better graphics. So it's your choice: [gamepad with worse graphics and somewhat less smooth gameplay] or [No gamepad with better graphics and very smooth gameplay that will never lag]. I do love my Play but I would take the newer phone. The hardware on the Play is very outdated.
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Thats exactly my point.. as much as i love my PLAY im gonna go with the deal,i figured the android os goes deeper than The Xperia PLAY.. thanks alot guys:good:

Caztiel said:
Thats exactly my point.. as much as i love my PLAY im gonna go with the deal,i figured the android os goes deeper than The Xperia PLAY.. thanks alot guys:good:
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BooOO!!!! Hahaha... Just kiddin. Its any1 n every1 choice. We just sharing our thought. In the end u still gonna go with own choice. So this kinda Q should be made a "General discussion" in the PLAY forum.

[Q] Push it to the limit?

I get to play with all kinds of fun devices at my shop activating GS3's HTC Rezound's Moto Razr's Galaxy Nexus and many others to pre-paid services like CricKet and PagePlus and GoSmart every day. So imagine my surprise when my boss GAVE me a brand-new boxed 32gb VZW GNex and said "Do what you need to do, here's the activation details. Keep it. I have 4 more for you to work on when your done."
Now I've been all over the spectrum when it comes to Androids. LG Ally, Motorola Milestone, DroidX, Nexus S 4G, Droid 2, HTC Evo and more recently the Evo Shift just to name a few. But I have NEVER owned so much power in a device, even compared to the other phones I get to play with on a daily basis, than this Galaxy Nexus!
It is running BEAUTIFULLY on Slimbean 4.2.2 for Toro+. I can't get people to stop playing with it especially my girlfriend >_<.
So here's my dilemma. With so much power...what do I do with it? Looking at some of the other devices you can tell that I may have felt quite left out of the circle when it comes to running high-performance gaming and apps without using something like Chainfire3d, and then having to compensate with slow performance and cut down graphics.
My current library of games installed on my device ATM are Dead Space, Beat Hazard Ultra and Peggle. I have a few emulators as well, and with the huge screen and multitouch I don't appear to have much trouble playing whatever I want. Problem is, what else is there that could fancy my interest? I've looked through the Play Store and found some stuff to look into but it seems like I'm really wasting the use of all this high-end tech. Could anyone issue some insight on what I can do to REALLY show off what this phone can do? Like I want to push this thing as far as it can go! I'm a nerd to the max so don't be afraid of offering any other kinds of customizations or tweaks I can play with too. I've got a clean record so far with not breaking anything fancy :highfive:

Mass effect infiltrator, GTA, GTA vice city, real racing are some really good ones
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+1 on Vice City
I use it to wow the ladies. XD
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haha havent played a GTA game in so long will most likely have to snag that one.
i like racing games and Real Racing looks pretty nice
Never played a Mass Effect game, even though i have ME2 on my pc just never fired it up after 1.5 months of owning it lol. will look as well
i also checked out Shadowgun and Gun Bros. 2 but didnt really seem too impressed with Gun Bros visuals. Shadowgun is ok. reminds me of Gears of War which i love
other mentions in case anyone is interested:
Modern Combat games - meh i have CoD on my laptop
CoD Black Ops Zombies - ^
Nova series - much more fun than Modern Combat
Galaxy on Fire 2 - GORGEOUS! looks the best over any other phone ive owned and sooooooo fluid and smooth
Trials series - nothing fancy visually but nice mix of entertainment and frustration
Into the Dead - again, simple visually but pretty fun for a good 10 minutes at a time
Offroad Legends - very similar to Trials...BUT WITH TRUCKS!
Iron Man 3 - looks good, but is it any fun? (the game...the movie was meh)
Asphalt series - look really good but cars handle like ass sometimes
Need for Speed series - much more could have been put into them as a phone version. really should have been more direct ports.
thats all ive had to look at since my initial post, but guys keep this going we should be able to find the real gems somewhere!