Harrier and Blue Angel - twins or cousins? - HTC Harrier

As we′ve lately discussed the question if HR has got a built-in wifi-device similar to BA I'm starting this thread in close connection to D-Two's Android for Blue Angel-Thread. Hoping to have some Harrier at hand pretty soon, built-in parts will be listed.
Right from the start my thanks go to GnatGoSplat!
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I saw in your other thread about adding an external bluetooth into a BA. That's yet another difference, Harrier has built-in GPS.

GnatGoSplat said:
I saw in your other thread about adding an external bluetooth into a BA. That's yet another difference, Harrier has built-in GPS.
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Can you say which GPS chip?
EDIT: ok i think this chip is the real different!!
datasheet this chip is for GPS and CDMA...

I haven't taken it apart to see the chip, but yes, I think it does have an MSM5500 inside from what I could find on Google, and that chip does have the GPS and CDMA included so I'm sure that must be it.

GnatGoSplat said:
I haven't taken it apart to see the chip, but yes, I think it does have an MSM5500 inside from what I could find on Google, and that chip does have the GPS and CDMA included so I'm sure that must be it.
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ok, so we need for the harrier a linux driver for the chip and the harrier is fully work :victory:

Does Linux/Android treat the MSM5500 like a modem? I have seen references to Linux drivers for USB modems that use the MSM5500 chip.
Like this: http://www.ka9q.net/5220.html
Although I don't know anything about Linux so I don't know if any info there is useful.

GnatGoSplat said:
Does Linux/Android treat the MSM5500 like a modem? I have seen references to Linux drivers for USB modems that use the MSM5500 chip.
Like this: http://www.ka9q.net/5220.html
Although I don't know anything about Linux so I don't know if any info there is useful.
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that is a good start for phone stuff :good:

d-two said:
ok, so we need for the harrier a linux driver for the chip and the harrier is fully work :victory:
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So at this point we just need to figure out the gpios that power the modem, and figure out what the interface is...serial,usb, or dpram? i didn't look at that datasheet but does it show that?

GnatGoSplat said:
I saw in your other thread about adding an external bluetooth into a BA. That's yet another difference, Harrier has built-in GPS.
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And Harrier has its backup-battery where BA has its wifi-antenna.
Just today got some harriers, maybe a scan of an unshielded mainboard will be helpful to you.

B-44 said:
And Harrier has its backup-battery where BA has its wifi-antenna.
Just today got some harriers, maybe a scan of an unshielded mainboard will be helpful to you.
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O.K.- scanning had been a stupid idea- those modern machines don't give a sharp&deep enough pic.
Now made several photos of unshielded BA & Harrier mainboard. Will upload tomorrow.
For first two pics, didn't have good light yesterday evening.
Interesting: Harriers' GPS-antenna is placed where BA has bluetooth; harriers' bluetooth is next to IR.
The area under black foil is for simcard-holder.
Flashlight of harrier can't be built in BA, has got two spiral contacts on motherboard.

The board layout is surprisingly different for looking so similar on the outside.
Are any parts the same and interchangeable? LCD maybe?

GnatGoSplat said:
The board layout is surprisingly different for looking so similar on the outside.
Are any parts the same and interchangeable? LCD maybe?
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Have you test the bluetooth in android?

I haven't tried it, but I will make note to try it next time.

GnatGoSplat said:
The board layout is surprisingly different for looking so similar on the outside.
Are any parts the same and interchangeable? LCD maybe?
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Switched Display of HA and BA, worked on both devices. As there are three different screens, madcap me luckily took the right one at first attempt
I won't have time before mid next week to provide better pics, but if anyone wants to know something about print on some part, take my pic, mark the part and send it to me- i'll take a look. Hope to make annotated pics soon...
O.K., here first three pics from one side:

B-44 said:
Switched Display of HA and BA, worked on both devices. As there are three different screens, madcap me luckily took the right one at first attempt
I won't have time before mid next week to provide better pics, but if anyone wants to know something about print on some part, take my pic, mark the part and send it to me- i'll take a look. Hope to make annotated pics soon...
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Can you make a better pic from Qualcomm chip? Is the camera the same from blueangel?

...and now three from ther other:

d-two said:
Can you make a better pic from Qualcomm chip? Is the camera the same from blueangel?
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Boy, you're too fast
Will check both today afternoon and post tomorrow. If pic doesnt work, i'll write it down.
(I know, these pics are quick'n'dirty, but as i wrote- it's a question of time. Will improve asap.)
Qualcomm... my EF82 also runs with it:fingers-crossed:
P.S.: Just found these three pics. But QC-chip is hard to read.
At the cam you see top right two brass squares- are the contacts of flashlight conjuncting to the spiral ones on the mainboard.
Will compare BA and HA cam, and IF they should be different mount HA cam in BA to test if it works.
P.P.S.: Will check BOTH Qualcomm-chips.

If you download my pic HAV3 (third in post#14) and turn it 90° left you can pretty good read it.
Small QC-chip:
PM 1000
QUALCOMM
46A0VCT
FF
Large QC-chip:
QUALCOMM
MSM 5500
CP90-V2400-13
QG2M0
QG4H8
0428004H800 R

Can please test this on Harrier...
start Mtty select USB and type: (don't copy and paste!!!)
Code:
password |40r0~0y~~5~0000
it looks it is static?!

d-two said:
Is the camera the same from blueangel?
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Both devices as it seems got same camera.
on either flexconnector is printed
ADCM-2650-6501
Harrier /083
Blue Angel/007.
The groundboard is marked
HA /043803
MAC 016
BA /050303
MAC 013.

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External gps antenna & driver for gpsone chip?

Hi all!
Every body actually knows about the trinity gpsone activate.
Now, the guys here succeeded to port the driver & put it in a cab!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=294113
I understood that the radio should support it, is there any chance to do that?
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one more thing
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We have 2 external output for antenna in the side of the universal device. maybe it should fit & connect anyhow to the gpsone chip?
Any ideas?
Gil
Only the new Qualcom chipset supports GPS; Trinity, Hermes and Breeze have this chipset. Unfortunately Universal's chipset does not have any GPS ability (at least this would be a big surprise to me). Too bad, the Universal is still my favourite PPC.
Only the new Qualcomm chipset supports GPS; Trinity, Hermes and Breeze have this chipset. Unfortunately Universal's chipset does not have any GPS ability (at least this would be a big surprise to me). Too bad, the Universal is still my favourite PPC.
TRJS said:
... Unfortunately Universal's chipset does not have any GPS ability (at least this would be a big surprise to me). Too bad, the Universal is still my favourite PPC.
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Universal's radio has MGP6200 chip. This is so-called "assisted-GPS". But we need to patch radio to turn it on. And I don;t think that it would be well-working.
mamaich said:
Universal's radio has MGP6200 chip. This is so-called "assisted-GPS". But we need to patch radio to turn it on. And I don;t think that it would be well-working.
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Man... O2 sold me this phone on the understanding that it would support Gps... they are soooooooooooo crap! Mind you, guess I should have researched it myself Still love the Exec though!
well i belive if it can be done...it will be done,,,,specially with the guys who specialise in reversing....maybe someone will have a look at the new rom release for trinity???? (is it) that activates gps
mamaich said:
Universal's radio has MGP6200 chip. This is so-called "assisted-GPS". But we need to patch radio to turn it on. And I don;t think that it would be well-working.
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Thanks for enlightening me! That's really interesting... What is the exact state of knowledge? After a quick look at the "Internal TyTn Herm 200 Pictures Inc. Chip Sets"-thread in the Hermes forum I saw cr2 stated that the Universal lacks the GPS RF amplifier, but also - to quote him - "AFAIK, the radio on the HTC Universal includes the GPS-related code". That was at the beginning of the whole Hermes-GPS-research, so with the state of knowledge of today, are there any new conclusions regarding Universal?

Hermes and Infra red Probs?

I am using Novii Remote Deluxe 4.11 on my cingular 8525...
it looks like it'd be a cool program, except i can't use w/ my tv from farther than 5 inches away...
is there a registry hack on wm6 black 2.0 that i need to change to increase my IR or something?
any help would be great, thanks
ps... does anyone know how to change the registry to display a different carrier name?
i know there is a guide in the wiki, but i don't think it's for wm6, thanks in advance
IR
It is also mentioned in the threads that IR signal strength is weak.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=291249&highlight=infrared
stukes said:
It is also mentioned in the threads that IR signal strength is weak.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=291249&highlight=infrared
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lol, i understand, i have read that too, but i just thought maybe there was a registry edit to increase baud rate or something that could help the signal strength....
i'm an electrical engineering graduate that has lost all his knowledge of engineering lol
dmenshunzz said:
lol, i understand, i have read that too, but i just thought maybe there was a registry edit to increase baud rate or something that could help the signal strength....
i'm an electrical engineering graduate that has lost all his knowledge of engineering lol
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Well dude, i wudda thought lowering the baud rate would increase distance slightly (ie less error over greater distance)??
Electrical Engineer....
mrvanx said:
Well dude, i wudda thought lowering the baud rate would increase distance slightly (ie less error over greater distance)??
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Well Im a central office technician. I loves to tear off into my field of expertise. If you are like me then tear off into the HERMES and add another LED or whatever makes it beam IR.... LOL
stukes said:
Well Im a central office technician. I loves to tear off into my field of expertise. If you are like me then tear off into the HERMES and add another LED or whatever makes it beam IR.... LOL
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i indeed did think about that... i think since the wii came out, everyone has raised the prices and stock of ir sending leds... maybe, just maybe if i buy a new case to do some kind of paint scheme i'll buy a higher emitting one... but thanks for the suggestions folks, for now, i'll just uninstall remote programs b/c they're useless

GPS built in?

So I just read somewhere that the our hermes have an on board gps chip built in.. any way to get it to work? or is it just there and there is no use for it? thanks
-Nstefanelli-
nstefanelli said:
So I just read somewhere that the our hermes have an on board gps chip built in.. any way to get it to work? or is it just there and there is no use for it? thanks
-Nstefanelli-
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Wow, this from a Senior Member I hope all 199 post were not this wise.
nstefanelli said:
So I just read somewhere that the our hermes have an on board gps chip built in.. any way to get it to work? or is it just there and there is no use for it? thanks
-Nstefanelli-
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not again......
i know i know, but i ask with the hope that one of our geniuses here have figured out a way to make it work. sadly, it probably isnt possible, but why not check and see if someone has found out a way to make it work?
-Nstefanelli-
nstefanelli said:
So I just read somewhere that the our hermes have an on board gps chip built in.. any way to get it to work? or is it just there and there is no use for it? thanks
-Nstefanelli-
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It is right next to the 10 gig harddrive.
August Fools day
nstefanelli said:
i know i know, but i ask with the hope that one of our geniuses here have figured out a way to make it work. sadly, it probably isnt possible, -Nstefanelli-
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i know i know, but you could search before you ask with the hope that one of our geniuses here have figured out a way to search before take the easy way out. sadly, it probably isnt possible
nstefanelli said:
So I just read somewhere that the our hermes have an on board gps chip built in.. any way to get it to work? or is it just there and there is no use for it? thanks
-Nstefanelli-
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Yes you did read correctly.
The htc hermes does have a GPS
chip it's circuits, however
the chip on all release platforms have had the chip deliberately disabled in the following manor.
1.drivers removed from the roms
2. crucial pins left unconnected
3. a few support components left out
4. antenna pins and support connections for both an internal and external antenna left nonexistent .
It's very unfortunate as I spent the better part of a month looking between the thread here and on 4winmobile only to find that the best of the best hardware hackers had failed to come up with a resolve due to usually lack of tools required, components difficult at times to obtain, and the almost 98% chance of unrepairably damaging the main pcb or the surrounding components in which you would then be left with the preverbial brick of which there is no safty net or special bootloader to save you. thusly I gave up and finally just did what most get when they buy or get the hermes withco pilot. I bought a good bluetooth gps receiver and loaded software for it to be used by. in this case it was tom tom 6.
I feel for you in this one as it would have been nice if the hermes was like the artimas [ie: o2 orbit, t-mobile mda compact]
and had it built in. But alas the is no technical resolve that can be achieved as of now for this other then to go bluetooth external receiver.
*hehe chalk one up for the noobs referring to the senior vs new members to the board which I find funny as I may not post as much as others but I know more then what the rating suggests heheh*
my question is why would high paid asian techs leave some gps chip that would not be used
that is not business like at all
just like carriers leaving ot the front video camera, and still charing ridiculous prices for the unit !!!!!!!!

VGA out/ IR Camera

Does anyone know where I could find a pin configuration chart for the display cable inside the uni?
I know its adventurous but I wouldnt mind making a monitor out!
joey7415963 said:
Does anyone know where I could find a pin configuration chart for the display cable inside the uni?
I know its adventurous but I wouldnt mind making a monitor out!
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Yes, i'm also things about that, but now don't have too much free time to play with it
Come on people does anyone know?
Or is this gonna be a long week with the multimeter and a few books!
SD to VGA adapter maybe??
I saw in one of the Windows mobile magazines that they make SD to VGA adapters. It mentioned that there was a microSD version soon to be released, and that there was a bluetooth product as well.
AllanonMage said:
I saw in one of the Windows mobile magazines that they make SD to VGA adapters. It mentioned that there was a microSD version soon to be released, and that there was a bluetooth product as well.
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If memory serves me correctly the Universal was original sold with an optional TV/VGA out cable. It may be worth posting on the HTC forum itself or digging around. I am pretty sure that it was only the first few G3 devices that were advertised as having these cables, but have had a dig around myself last year for these to no avail.
beast0898 said:
If memory serves me correctly the Universal was original sold with an optional TV/VGA out cable. It may be worth posting on the HTC forum itself or digging around. I am pretty sure that it was only the first few G3 devices that were advertised as having these cables, but have had a dig around myself last year for these to no avail.
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Interest information, do you know more details about that
Wow, that sounds kewl, might have to email HTC.
The only info I could find on this is whats in the Wiki anyways
The touch-screen controller given shows the pin-outs which should tell us the touch-screen pin-config'.
I've given up on this anyway so I turned my camera into a nightvision camera really easy to do!
joey7415963 said:
Wow, that sounds kewl, might have to email HTC.
The only info I could find on this is whats in the Wiki anyways
The touch-screen controller given shows the pin-outs which should tell us the touch-screen pin-config'.
I've given up on this anyway so I turned my camera into a nightvision camera really easy to do!
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Share more details, I too was playing before with camera and IR leds
sorry this will be mega rushed just realised im still in my pjs and gotta be at work soon!
Basically you dissasemble to PDA as shown in the wiki, then take apart camera base, behind it there should be a coloured filter (IR filter) take it out and replace with two really dark things (like the begining of a negative) then put together and take pictures in the dark whilst pushing a button on a remote control i will make a proper how to do thingy when im home tonight!
Bye for now!
IR Camera
Right first of all I think I tried it with my Uni and couldn't suss how to get to the IR filter but I tried it on my Nokia and its working like a charm!
1: Take apart the phone,
2: Uncouple camera,
3: Using a knife prise the four corners of the circuit board off the base of the camera (make sure you only go about 1mm in MAX! Also make sure you remember which way round it goes ),
4: Unscrew the lenses off the front,
5: Punch out the IR filter, this should be the slightly coloured one usually red (or find a way to take it out properly if you wanna keep it but mine was glued on),
6: Find an old photo album and take the negatives, look for the first part where it is just pure black (no pictures) and cut two circles out of it to place where the IR filter was, (this will be your visable light filter),
7: Reassemble,
8: Go somewhere dark and use a remote control as a light source and take photos!
beast0898 said:
If memory serves me correctly the Universal was original sold with an optional TV/VGA out cable. It may be worth posting on the HTC forum itself or digging around. I am pretty sure that it was only the first few G3 devices that were advertised as having these cables, but have had a dig around myself last year for these to no avail.
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yea i read it too...oh wait i think i remember where i read it....in the development n hacking section....they talked bout it...i think u can still buy those optional TV/VGA but the only problem is that u cant use the sd therefore u have to use the main memory which is not enough...
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yea i read it too...oh wait i think i remember where i read it....in the development n hacking section....they talked bout it...i think u can still buy those optional TV/VGA but the only problem is that u cant use the sd therefore u have to use the main memory which is not enough...
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Hmmm.... sounds interesting, I rekon it's gotta be expensive Oh well
thanks to everyone who has tried to help me I hope I've paid back with the
IR camera trick lol!

How to install 1920x1200 display on 1280x800 tablet?

Hello XDA Forum,
my daughter's tablet screen was cracked. A Chinese web shop offered replacement screen (lcd, digitizer & glass combo) and I ordered giving them correct model of the tablet. Now, I received physically perfectly fitting gear but I won't get any image on the screen. I can see backlight lit for a short while.
I swapped the faulty LCD/digitizer/glass back and could see picture just perfectly. So it seems like resolution issue. I even swapped the new LCD back while tablet was powered up (I know, I know..) and I could see picture in the replacement screen as well! But the image was distorted just like you've seen in CRTs when resolution/refresh don't match the screen capabilities.
Tablets model is Asus ZenPad 10 Z301M-1B006A. This site explains the differences pretty well:
w w w . p d e v i c e . c o m
/comparison/asus-zenpad-10-z301m-vs-asus-zenpad-10-z301mf
Even the GPU is same for 1920*1200 and 1280*800 system.
Actual replacement LCD is NV101WUM-N52 (1920*1200).
It perhaps should have been TV101WXM-NU1 (1280*800).
I saw some web shops giving possibility to select resolution but my Chinese web shop just asked the model. I have perfectly correct model in the order.
The sticker on the replacement panel says ATAB435 and "Asus Z301M Z301MFL" plus some Chinese chars. This suggests the LCD was indeed intended for Z301M/1280*800 tablet.
Now, the question is, could my replacement screen picture problem be due to wrong initial Android bootup resolution setting which I could possibly change with adb thus upgrade the tablet to 1920*1200 reso?
Hope this question made any sense at all.
BR,
Timo
karhulitos said:
Hello XDA Forum, my daughter's tablet screen was cracked..........
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I don't have this device myself but, I did a little digging around...
First of all, I did see that the new display is actually compatible for your device.
If this were me, my next thought would be to go to the following manufacturers website FAQ section...
https://www.asus.com/us/Tablets/ASUS-ZenPad-10-Z301M/HelpDesk_Knowledge/
... and see if I can locate anything that's regarding the Display (ie... LCD, Digitizer, Display, etc...) to see if there was anything that may/might/does apply to your issue.
Personally stating, I can only assume that it may be tied to some type of Calibration or similar.
Just to clarify, if this were me, and nothing worked, I would just double check all the connections. Specifically for connections that may be loose, dirty, disconnected (by accident), etc... because things can happen when putting them together that was overseen/forgotten accidentally.
In addition, I would look at some YouTube videos in replacing the Digitizer Display for the same/similar device. I would do this only as a reference regarding what I did and see if I had overlooked anything.
If all is well and nothing was successful, I would personally feel that this Digitizer was simply defective. I would then look to begin the process of returning/replacing the Digitizer.
If I obtained the same Digitizer part, and the same happened, I would just look into return/exchange that one for the other part.
It's really hard to diagnose many items/issues without having the actual/same device.
I hope that this was helpful in some way and I had explained this okay via text.
I do wish you the best of luck!
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Ibuprophen said:
First of all, I did see that the new display is actually compatible for your device.
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First of all, your effort is highly appreciated. Thank you.
Very interesting. What made you think my replacement display combo (LCD: NV101WUM-N52) is compatible with Z301M? All hints I could gather was stating it's compatible for Z301MF* models.
I tried to look for this information but couldn't really find the proof.
Ibuprophen said:
Personally stating, I can only assume that it may be tied to some type of Calibration or similar.
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This is my study hypothesis as well. First, I was thinking that my problem is just due to the LCD not understanding the signal sent to it by the GPU.
commands like:
Code:
adb shell
wm density DPI (Change display density)
wm size RES (Change display resolution)
might change the startup resolution so that the new LCD can show it and otherwise get initialized properly.
I was just puzzled that Google didn't give any hits of people doing this so I just couldn't believe I'm the 1st one to experience this. This is why decided to ask here.
What I do not know is can ARM or tablet hardware in general negotiate screen refresh/resolution/DPI information via the cable or is it always something which is hard coded in the firmware itself? After all a tablet isn't really a plug and play hot swap equipment, eh?
Only thing avoiding me to test above approach is that the web shop may want to replace my new LCD. Let's see how it boils. Is it broken or is it electrically unfit for the hw/sw model I have?
Ibuprophen said:
Just to clarify, if this were me, and nothing worked, I would just double check all the connections. Specifically for connections that may be loose, dirty, disconnected (by accident), etc... because things can happen when putting them together that was overseen/forgotten accidentally.
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I hear you. I did this approximately 10 times. Some 5 times I switched back to the cracked 1280*800 and shows the picture fine. Back to NV101WUM-N52 and all I get get is backlight.
Ibuprophen said:
It's really hard to diagnose many items/issues without having the actual/same device.
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Jep. I think I just need to send it back to China. But please come back to me and tell how did you come to conclusion the screen is fit for Z301M?
karhulitos said:
......... I think I just need to send it back to China. But please come back to me and tell how did you come to conclusion the screen is fit for Z301M?
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I've seen that part number for your device within some other websites like Amazon, eBay and even Asus as a replacement part option.
I've seen this before. Sometimes a new device will have upgrade options when it's first launched.
I've got an Asus Transformer T100TA Tablet where this option was provided for the Digitizer, Memory and a few others.
As a matter of fact... I've got my Asus Tablet still apart with the newer Digitizer Display ready to be put back together. Unfortunately it's been ready to be assembled for approximately a year now (shame on me... LOL! ).
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Ibuprophen said:
Unfortunately it's been ready to be assembled for approximately a year now (shame on me... LOL! ).
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Pull yourself together and do it now! Thanks man for your insights.
BR,
Timo
karhulitos said:
Pull yourself together and do it now! .........
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LMAO!!!
It's actually my first (and only) tablet I've ever owned. It's like a BIG Android... LOL!
I've got a good handful of various Android devices, 3 Laptops and 2 PC Towers (with 3 monitors). This list only includes what's actually working (also less the various parts as well). On top of the various projects I'm involved in bouncing from one to another as well as Life itself.
You can see why reassembling the tablet is actually something I want/need to do, it's just not very high on my priority list at this point in time.
I wish you the best of luck!
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Ibuprophen said:
LMAO!!!
I wish you the best of luck!
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Thank you.
One last detail for the record should someone else sometime stumble upon this problem.
Z301M original LCD is KD101N59-42NA-A8 which was later replaced, according to test report 081-170425-200, by TV101WXM-NU1 1280*800.
So be careful when ordering replacement screen for Asus ZenPad 10. There is also some green & yellow connector difference which wasn't involved in this case but I just wanted to mention it here.

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