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new hardware Qualcomm’s next-gen (not wp7)

http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...e-cpu-and-gpu-chipsets-coming-later-this-year
Does wp7 really want to be only single-core really old hardware? This new hardware in the end 2011 with Android even if unoptimised will kick ass to wp7 in current specs chassis even with Mango enhacments... MS needs to work harder...
Much better games performance, faster loading apps... etc...
75% lower power... I think MS needs to step back on power restrictions... this chips will be 75% less power... they are restricting too much the OS against the Android when the new chips will have a much better battery and performance rate than the actual ones...

Well, the benefit of multiple cores isn't as obvious as one may think because software has to be written in a special way in order to benefit from more than one core. So basically buying a phone with two cores running current versions of Android or WP7 or whatever is most probably just a waste.
That being said, newer processors are built using 45nm technology and consume less power, so using those more modern cores would probably be more noticeable.
And of course it's all going the way of megapixels. Since most people will automatically assume that if you have twice as many cores the thing will run twice as fast, you sort of must use those multiple cores, no matter if it benefits the end user or not.
So yeah, I guess MS have to update hardware support...

actually 28nm...
and this new hardware, have 2.5Ghz... even if they are multi-core they should go faster then current 1ghz... with less power... and games would benefit a whole lot...
besides even if current software isn't optimized, as soon as this harware would be released people would start to optimize it. Android already start it. Does MS wants to be on the back of mobile competion, again?

Whether games will be rewritten or not depends on how widespread those multicore devices will be and when. So far games aren't exactly utilizing modern hardware - how many of them take advantage of Samsung's awesome GPUs built into Galaxy S phones? When 90% of devices in the market don't have this type of tech, what's the point of rewriting everything just to accomodate for the 10%?
Now, I'm not saying that multiple cores aren't awesome, I'm just saying that it's highly unlikely that you'll see real benefit from them this year.

tfouto said:
actually 28nm...
and this new hardware, have 2.5Ghz... even if they are multi-core they should go faster then current 1ghz... with less power... and games would benefit a whole lot...
besides even if current software isn't optimized, as soon as this harware would be released people would start to optimize it. Android already start it. Does MS wants to be on the back of mobile competion, again?
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First: no flame intended.
You're making a lot of assumptions. Faster, less power. Don't look into the neighbor's garden to fix your own garden. Think what is necessary for WP7 to advance and be better.
Then, Android is so fragmented and has sooooo many models I wouldn't know where to start if I would want to try one. There is no real stability in term of standards. Every 6 months there's a better phone (like a new generation) and you end up with an older model after that period. So basically the cycle is much shorter than on every other platform. Even iPhone has a 1 year cycle. And I don't even want to think about privacy issues there, you basically upload all your data and behavior somewhere else and agree it can be used by others...
But that is not the real issue. People expect a platform to mature over night. It won't happen, we all need to be a bit patient. If you're looking for future features now, then you've already made a mistake, regardless of what platform you're on.
People should understand what they want from a phone first. We all know it's easier to spot problems with the things you're familiar with and you see the others as better. But once you try the others you realize it's the same story again, it looked better before when you didn't know it.
To conclude: my WP7 phone does exactly what's supposed to do, with the current hardware specs. Can it do more? Sure, but we have to be a bit patient. Then, if it doesn't deliver, try something else. Until then, I don't want to be a technology nomad, I'll always be unhappy as in a few months there will always be a better phone. I'd rather stick with something until it matures a bit and enjoy the ride/phone.

You do realise that the Chasis is minimum specs right? Manufaturers can use what they want as long as it's above those specs.

^ not for chips.

brummiesteven said:
You do realise that the Chasis is minimum specs right? Manufaturers can use what they want as long as it's above those specs.
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not really... you are wrong... they can for components... camera, etc... not chips...

tfouto said:
not really... you are wrong... they can for components... camera, etc... not chips...
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Fair enough, my bad.

The good thing about how MS is handling hardware is also the bad thing. They are making the drivers so we don't have to worry about putting up with crappy drivers from OEM's like HTC. The bad thing is in order to see newer hardware, MS has to release an update for said hardware's drivers. Mango will include drivers for a newer chipset, just not this Quad Core. Than again, the Quad isn't due out till the end of 2012, so why add support now or even write drivers for unfinished hardware.

I dont see the need for multiple cores, am i the only person?

moneysaver05 said:
I dont see the need for multiple cores, am i the only person?
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I want to use my phone primary as a "information device", I use it to check my mails, send messages, update facebook, look things up on Wikipedia, search translations and browse the web. In order to do these things my old HTC Touch with 200 MHz was enough (it was slow but it has done the job well :-D ). But new devices like the WP7s add further possibilities. Entertaining has become more important. Entertaining has becom more important. But in order to use the handset as media player i don't think a Dual-Core Processor is necessary. And honestly, if I want to play a game with high graphics, i use my PC.
I don't want to complain but i totally agree with you moneysaver... Using Dual-Core processors would on one hand increase the gaming experience but on the other increase the price and drain more power. In my opinion "better" processor would bring to many downsides ATM. Another thing is, that you can outsource all heavy calculations to the cloud...
In short: If someone would offer me a phone with a efficient Dual-Core Processor, I would't say no. But i wouldn't say a Dual-Core Processor is a must-have...
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Chris

Most important is low power with fast processor.
Sent from my 7 Trophy using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

well low power it fast processor is exactly what this new chips are...
twitter takes 7 seconds to fully open... with a 2.5ghz would take 3 seconds and with a dual core much less... and which less consuptiom i cant see what how bad could it be...

ov2rey said:
Most important is low power with fast processor.
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The newer chips consumes less power

tfouto said:
well low power it fast processor is exactly what this new chips are...
twitter takes 7 seconds to fully open... with a 2.5ghz would take 3 seconds and with a dual core much less... and which less consuptiom i cant see what how bad could it be...
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I 'd rather have a fully used single core processor with optimized drivers from Microsoft than a 5GHz quad core with no software to use it. Next update will bring lower memory consumption and other optimizations that will be enough to coast us to 2012 were another update will (probably ? ) be released to support the upgraded chassis specs (dual cores maybe?)
iPhones have shown that optimized software makes up for less powered hardware (my wife's 3Gs is a living proof of that)

Android: Non-optmized OS.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/28/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-review/
- Class-leading speed and responsiveness
i sincerely dont believe that wp7 Mango optimized with current Snapdragon can compete with this speed... and the later HTC EVO 3D... and of course
battery life...

is wp7 be faster than ios?

do you think that wp7 is as fast as ios, which right now is the smoothest and fastest phone?

I'd say WP is faster than iOS in terms of general UI, but for apps, its really where WP turns the idea. Most apps in the marketplace still don't use the 'fast resume' feature like in Mango-enabled games. Meaning if you go back to start screen and go back to the app, the app then goes from the loading screen and then resumes the current task. In iOS, apps are frozen and resumes right where you left off.
So basically, WP rarely lags in UI even when used over time whereas iOS does in fact lag, especially when bringing up the search screen (you know, the barely used screen on the very left). But apps are no problem if developers take advantage of the fast resume feature.
Don't you hate it when there's a spider rooming with you and it doesn't even pay rent. I'm kicking mine out.

http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-winning-nearly-90-of-smoked-challenges-at-mwc-2012/

I would say no....
Even if comparing the built-in apps, although ios is slower,but it is not the speed issue or ios capability, it is due to the ios animation design( the zoom in and zoom out effect duration) has made opening apps look slower.
In term of third party apps, WP7 has no way winning iOS, just cheap feel and slow sluggish,buggy....you can blame the developers....

who cares. WP7 is dead anyways.

FinancialWar said:
who cares. WP7 is dead anyways.
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Lol,mate,right time and right moment and well said...
because nowadays many users have leave this WP7 forum,due to the typical WP7 fanboys reply...
if you reply something like this in the past,you definitely will be getting bash,but now I think no one will care,because it is quiet here.
Gonna back to my silence state now,contribute too much posts(3 this week) to here already.

Now back to the topic...
WP7 IS faster than iOS.
Sent from my OMNIA7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

Following some replies that made me chuckle..
Yes WP7 is faster UI than iOS.
Doesn't matter what zoom in or zoom out crap it iOS does. It's their UI transition by choice and if that makes it even 'feel' slower, it is slow. I am presuming all of us are here on the same page and agree that 'animations'/'transitions' are part of the operating system or the user interface.
Apps however aren't so nicely made all the time. Some apps are beautiful when it comes to transition whereas the others are as choppy as Google's OS. But then 3rd party app QC isn't top notch. If you use a WP out-of-the-box and compare with same iOS phone, you will immediately notice that WP is much faster, smoother and pretty on your eyes!

downloaderintruder said:
I'd say WP is faster than iOS in terms of general UI, but for apps, its really where WP turns the idea. Most apps in the marketplace still don't use the 'fast resume' feature like in Mango-enabled games. Meaning if you go back to start screen and go back to the app, the app then goes from the loading screen and then resumes the current task. In iOS, apps are frozen and resumes right where you left off.
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In general use as a phone, I would say both have the same speed and smoothness or perhaps windows phone 7 a little faster than iOS

wp7 is one of the smoothest os ever made, but far away from being as fast as iOS. "smoked by windows phone" can't be taken serious. ben won some battles because there was a weather tile on the screen and thats faster than opening apps. but android has widgets too, and iOS can provide similar things in the notification toggle.
but apps which aren't integrated are slow like hell because they aren't cached as good as on android or iOS or they don't multitask. 6 months after mango release the improvents in app swithing can't be noticed in 'everyday' usage. that's not 'amazing'!
when you compare apps like board express with tapatalk, wp7 wins in terms of design. but the speed differences are huge!
or put a video on your wp7 phone, it will take ages just because the player doesn't support most common formats. and there aren't any alternative players, on iOS there are, even without jailbreak!
wp8 has to learn from android, only apple guys accept those limitations.
Windows 8 is awesome! metro ui is much more flexible than on wp7. i hope it will be similar in wp8. But windows 8 is fantastic, because you don't have that kind of limitations. if the player doesn't play a file, use vlc. if your browser doesn't play flash, use real ie or firefox.
right now wp7 devices would never win real speed benchmarks. even my almost 2 years old galaxy s would beat almost every windows phone in most tasks.
but i like windows phone none of the less, because it's unique and stabble, and has an always smooth browser!
but i think windows phone 8 might come too late. until the end of the year and the release of apollo there won't be any real new windows phone, not a single phone from htc nor from samsung. And the nokia effect couldn't equalize the loss of htc and especially samsung (in europe)
in the mean while android will have very cheap dualcores and wp7 will be stuck on snapdragon s2 chips from 2010!

The native OS is faster. Not much, as iOS is a very efficient system, but WP is definitely a little more efficient in my experience.
3rd party apps? Some are extremely well done and are just as fast as the native apps, but most are not coded efficiently so do have a little bit of lag as information loads, scrolling not perfect ect.
Developers definitely have the ability to make their code efficient enough though as there are plenty of examples of this. Lawrence Grippers BBC news and others. WPCentral app (Dev: Jay Bennet), Cocktail Flow (still best designed app I've ever seen on any platform), Windows Phone News app, Weave news reader, News360(latest version) ect ect ect.

@ OP
Dont you think it would be a little wiser to research this question yourself on a search engine? surely some independants have done some investigation already?
Either way asking a question like this on an O/S specific forum isnt really going to get you anywhere is it, at best the answers will be biased even slightly and you will never get the hard and fast answer that you are looking for (if you are indeed looking for an answer )
I'm wondering if you asked this same question in an Apple forum? and if so what response did you get?
Kind Regrds,
Creamy

madphone said:
wp7 is one of the smoothest os ever made, but far away from being as fast as iOS. "smoked by windows phone" can't be taken serious. ben won some battles because there was a weather tile on the screen and thats faster than opening apps. but android has widgets too, and iOS can provide similar things in the notification toggle.
but apps which aren't integrated are slow like hell because they aren't cached as good as on android or iOS or they don't multitask. 6 months after mango release the improvents in app swithing can't be noticed in 'everyday' usage. that's not 'amazing'!
when you compare apps like board express with tapatalk, wp7 wins in terms of design. but the speed differences are huge!
or put a video on your wp7 phone, it will take ages just because the player doesn't support most common formats. and there aren't any alternative players, on iOS there are, even without jailbreak!
wp8 has to learn from android, only apple guys accept those limitations.
Windows 8 is awesome! metro ui is much more flexible than on wp7. i hope it will be similar in wp8. But windows 8 is fantastic, because you don't have that kind of limitations. if the player doesn't play a file, use vlc. if your browser doesn't play flash, use real ie or firefox.
right now wp7 devices would never win real speed benchmarks. even my almost 2 years old galaxy s would beat almost every windows phone in most tasks.
but i like windows phone none of the less, because it's unique and stabble, and has an always smooth browser!
but i think windows phone 8 might come too late. until the end of the year and the release of apollo there won't be any real new windows phone, not a single phone from htc nor from samsung. And the nokia effect couldn't equalize the loss of htc and especially samsung (in europe)
in the mean while android will have very cheap dualcores and wp7 will be stuck on snapdragon s2 chips from 2010!
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I appreciate what you are saying but I think you are being harsh.
What is not to be taken seriously about the "smoked by Windows Phone"? He won 30 out of 33 matches. He lost to an iPhone in one of those matches. In the ones I saw it was a mix of him picking the challenge and other people picking the challenge. Windows Phone is indeed more efficient at some operations and that is how they built the OS. This flows into my second point...
What exactly is a benchmark? When Vegeta whips out his magic goggles and reads "over 9000" what exactly does that mean? So phone X can draw more fish than phone Y, let me know how many people are going around drawing as many fish as they possibly can.
There needs to be an improvement in the quality of apps and I think people here will agree with you totally. Slow as hell seems like an exaggeration to me but I understand where you are coming from. On a sidenote, hell is hot and slow? I figure people would move around pretty quickly with their butts being on fire and all.
There is no such thing as too late once there is room for improvement. Android has issues and iOS is one phone a year. There is a viable opportunity for Windows Phone especially with the unification of the platform.

sylau90 said:
I would say no....
Even if comparing the built-in apps, although ios is slower,but it is not the speed issue or ios capability, it is due to the ios animation design( the zoom in and zoom out effect duration) has made opening apps look slower.
In term of third party apps, WP7 has no way winning iOS, just cheap feel and slow sluggish,buggy....you can blame the developers....
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use a second gen windows phone, all of the third party apps are about as smooth as core apps. There is a penny deal on the HTC titan that ends today you should check it out if you have att.

sylau90 said:
I would say no....
Even if comparing the built-in apps, although ios is slower,but it is not the speed issue or ios capability, it is due to the ios animation design( the zoom in and zoom out effect duration) has made opening apps look slower.
In term of third party apps, WP7 has no way winning iOS, just cheap feel and slow sluggish,buggy....you can blame the developers....
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sylau90 said:
Lol,mate,right time and right moment and well said...
because nowadays many users have leave this WP7 forum,due to the typical WP7 fanboys reply...
if you reply something like this in the past,you definitely will be getting bash,but now I think no one will care,because it is quiet here.
Gonna back to my silence state now,contribute too much posts(3 this week) to here already.
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LOL...
Back to be a troll eh?
Well, well,well, someone is mad because he paid for something he didn't want at first and now he is trolling all around...

Strike_Eagle said:
LOL...
Back to be a troll eh?
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It is not logical. At all. The silence of one voice will not cause the forum on a whole to be significantly quieter unless, like you said, that person was an antagonist. And it most definitely will not affect sales.
It will continue to be with or without one person's participation. And it actually will be a better place without the negativity. Quieter and better. But it probably eats people that do not like Windows Phone inside to read people express their fondness for the OS.

nicksti said:
It is not logical. At all. The silence of one voice will not cause the forum on a whole to be significantly quieter unless, like you said, that person was an antagonist. And it most definitely will not affect sales.
It will continue to be with or without one person's participation. And it actually will be a better place without the negativity. Quieter and better. But it probably eats people that do not like Windows Phone inside to read people express their fondness for the OS.
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I have known that guy for ages.
he bought a Surround, and he is not happy with it, then he gonna post Sh!t about it.
If you want to compare, there is a big thread outside , comparing Windows Phone and iPhone 4S from hardware to software.

My HD7 so far is the fastest and most stable phone I've ever owned and used. I haven't seen any slowdowns it freeze ups like those that occur in both Android and iOS. As for 3rd party apps, all the ones I use run great with the exception of board express.

nicksti said:
What exactly is a benchmark? When Vegeta whips out his magic goggles and reads "over 9000" what exactly does that mean? So phone X can draw more fish than phone Y, let me know how many people are going around drawing as many fish as they possibly can.
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Vegeta, lol. I haven't heard that name in years. What was that, a power reader?
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Strike_Eagle said:
I have known that guy for ages.
he bought a Surround, and he is not happy with it, then he gonna post Sh!t about it.
If you want to compare, there is a big thread outside , comparing Windows Phone and iPhone 4S from hardware to software.
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Oh yea,dude,u have known me for ages...lmao,the device in using was HTC Mozart.u guessed surround is pretty close though.
I have been windows smartphone supporter since Dopod carrying windows mobile5.0and CE.I think u are pretty new here though.I have been active even since the wp7 is not commercially available.i even created a very high views thread that covering wp7 news.
The reason I'm unhappy with this platform has been posted over 50times,then the waves of new users have classify me as hater and even a Microsoft supporter&wm developer has been called as hater as well.therefore,this platform will just left to you guys maybe quieter and better.but definitely the development would be slower.
you made my day though,known me for ages and I'm using surround......lol

Goodbye windows phone?

first of all, I think WP7 OS is great and i have my omnia 7 for about 18months now, so im in a great position to say what i think of it.
for the first time in 18 months, im starting too look at the Android OS. why?
WP7 Hardware STILL dosnt cut it and there not a single true wp7 high end device out there.
examples,
the aging low res
low memory (especially if you live in the UK 8 gb phones really?)
poor GPU (60 fps is the minimum standard and wp7 games seem to be struggling to hit 30 fps. only the games with poor graphics run at 60fps on wp7. its embarrasing. i wouldnt show my android /iphone owning friends these games on my phone.
single core - sure the actual OS generally is nice and smooth ( although mine has definately slowed down recently maybe as im running out of memory?) however try opening PDF files they slow right down and take an age to open
Skydrive, i use skydrive all the time, i log on today and now instead of my usual 25GB i see i now only have 7GB ? whats going on here, skydrive was the only thing keeping my phone running over since i have only 8, ( actually 7GB of storage on my phone........
like i said at the start, the OS it self is really great, i just wish i could have the OS on a device as powerful as the "old"Samsung galaxy s2 ( I say old but its still WAY more powerful than WP7 devices.) but the hardware is really letting WP7 Down... no wonder sales have been rubbish

Read this article:
http://wmpoweruser.com/skydrive-for-windows-now-available-to-download-features-as-promised/
It will give you a link to 'upgrade' your SkyDrive storage back to 25GB. I just did this yesterday for an account, so it should still be working. It also has a link for the new SkyDrive Windows 7 program, which makes SD now on par with DropBox (Better, actually since it now keeps the phone in sync with folders on the computer).

thanks for that .......should keep me ticking over until my contract ends. by then i expect ( more like hope actually) that there will be at least 1 wp7 htc device in 6 months?

davidebanks said:
thanks for that .......should keep me ticking over until my contract ends. by then i expect ( more like hope actually) that there will be at least 1 wp7 htc device in 6 months?
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I hope they make something like the hardware used for the ONE S.
I was helping my friend get her very first ever smart phone (Lumia 710) yesterday. We were at Car Toys. The sales guy went to the back to get the ONE S to show it off. Granted, I'm in no way passionate about Android, but it is one sexy piece of hardware. Just the right thickness, but a great sturdiness and weight to it. I was really impressed with its feel. Were there no Nokia, I'd go w/ HTC. Samsung's all feel like plastic graham crackers to me.

Single core and all those things, do you really need it or just to say Hey I have dual cores. For me, I don't think dual core is needed.
About the GPU, yes I think the game graphics can be improved by a lot seeing those FPS games on iphone.

To the OP, glad that you have realised and awake about the drawbacks...
Have been using my mozart for 13months++, bought the HTC one X last month,honestly my 1st android device. It is great, don't listen to all those lagging&force close BS...give it a try...no regret on one X...
lol...smoked by WP7???who cares?i can play cut the rope: experiment,angry bird space, highlighting and add notes to my PDF lecture slides(this is the crucial one), cheaper apps and etc....
now my mozart is collecting dusk and work as alarm clock[this is where WP7 excel at (easy task)]

davidebanks said:
like i said at the start, the OS it self is really great, i just wish i could have the OS on a device as powerful as the "old"Samsung galaxy s2 ( I say old but its still WAY more powerful than WP7 devices.) but the hardware is really letting WP7 Down... no wonder sales have been rubbish
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If you like the experience of Windows Phone but want more modern hardware, Windows Phone 8 might be worth looking at.
It will be based on the NT kernel and will support more powerful CPU / GPUs (including multi-core CPUs) and higher screen resolutions.
There are plenty of other threads discussing WP8 (including timing) if you want more information. I'd expect it to be out within 6 months, assuming you're on a 2 year contract.

OP, your post is useless as all your other 232 posts. Hope to never see you again in WP7/Win8 forums (you may also pick up a few andro-stupid-trolls with)

Get a phone to suit your needs end of line.

I'm also leaving windows phone for android.
I've been a huge windows phone supporter (went from windows mobile to windows phone) and i still think metro is the greatest thing on any phone. But i'm tired of not having key features that i find essential for any phone. I mean common, no way to turn off auto rotation? No way to view notifications other than live tiles? No way to lower volume without lowering ring volume? No way to turn off 3G (if you had AT&T in NYC you'd understand why)
These are things i consider very very basic and should be implemented.
I really don't care about the apps. That's not why i'm switching. I'm switching because i have a problem with the OS not having basic functionality.

Hi guys, lets try to keep the forum focused in DEVELOPMENT, in this section for WP7. Thread closed.

[Q] To tab pro 8.4 users.

I'm thinking about getting a tab pro 8.4 WiFi only (320) and have a few questions.
1-just how laggy is touchwiz. This is my first samsung and have no experience with touchwiz. Does the general ui lag when switching between homescreen pages or moving through apps.
2- does resolution greatly affect the graphic performance. My existing phone (xperia P) can't handle heavy game's or websites. I need to know if the gpu is any good or not. Does it run dead trigger 2 on ultra high smoothly or asphalt 8 maxed out smoothly?
I need something to last me a few years.
3- is web browsing smooth?
4- is 2 gb ram sufficient? Are there too many redraws?
5- how bad are the WiFi signal drops. I live in a small apartment so this does not matter much.
6- any other flaws I should be worried about? Over heating etc.
7- is the contrast ratio acceptable? Blacks dark enough?
I couldn't find conclusive answers to these on the web and hopefully this will help future buyers. (including me )

Hamza Murad said:
I'm thinking about getting a tab pro 8.4 WiFi only (320) and have a few questions.
1-just how laggy is touchwiz. This is my first samsung and have no experience with touchwiz. Does the general ui lag when switching between homescreen pages or moving through apps.
2- does resolution greatly affect the graphic performance. My existing phone (xperia P) can't handle heavy game's or websites. I need to know if the gpu is any good or not. Does it run dead trigger 2 on ultra high smoothly or asphalt 8 maxed out smoothly?
I need something to last me a few years.
3- is web browsing smooth?
4- is 2 gb ram sufficient? Are there too many redraws?
5- how bad are the WiFi signal drops. I live in a small apartment so this does not matter much.
6- any other flaws I should be worried about? Over heating etc.
7- is the contrast ratio acceptable? Blacks dark enough?
I couldn't find conclusive answers to these on the web and hopefully this will help future buyers. (including me )[/QUOTE)
Have had the 8.4 pro for a couple months now and I can attest to the fact that it is a nice tablet. Screen is fantastic and performance is smooth. Gets great wifi signal in my house which has concrete walls that make it difficult to get signal for most devices. Only real problem I have with it is the android experience overall on the tablet. Many apps display stretched versions of phone apps (twitter, mlb at bat, etc) and web browsing could be better.
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@bkerk25
Could you do me a flavour?
Download asphalt 8 and run it on the maximum graphical settings and tell me if it is smooth enough.
Ps. Use mentions @[Username]

Hamza Murad said:
1-just how laggy is touchwiz. This is my first samsung and have no experience with touchwiz. Does the general ui lag when switching between homescreen pages or moving through apps.
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Its not the kind of thing where it locks up the device for a significant amount of time (seconds or even 1 second) but just a lack of general fluidity (split seconds of lag) within TouchWiz itself (not within 3rd party apps) when swiping through home screens,going back and forth to app drawer, etc. Really not the type of thing we should be seeing at this point with higher-end Android devices. So while disappointing, many folks are probably fine with it. Me on the other hand, got tired of it after a couple months, rooted and flashed a CM-based custom ROM, and much happier with the fluidity now.
Hamza Murad said:
2- does resolution greatly affect the graphic performance. My existing phone (xperia P) can't handle heavy game's or websites. I need to know if the gpu is any good or not. Does it run dead trigger 2 on ultra high smoothly or asphalt 8 maxed out smoothly?
I need something to last me a few years.
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If you are asking such questions about gaming and RAM, I have trouble believing you will be satisfied with any device for a "few" years. Maybe 2 years tops. But really the best you can do is by the best tablet you can afford (and the Pro 8.4 is a great contender) and hope for the best in terms of it being "future proof".
I'm not much of a gamer, so I can't help you much here, unfortunately.
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I would say yes.
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5- how bad are the WiFi signal drops. I live in a small apartment so this does not matter much.
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I have had no issue with WiFi. The Pro 8.4 has as good or slightly better WiFi reception as other Android devices I've used. I use my Pro 8.4 on my back porch, with my WiFi router being in the front of the house and on the 2nd floor.
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6- any other flaws I should be worried about? Over heating etc.
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I had a minor issue with the battery meter sometimes not displaying properly after a charge. It would still read something like 50 or 60% when I had been charging it for long enough to be full. After a reboot, it would read 100%. Happened fairly occasionally, maybe once a week or a couple times a week. Others have noted similar issues.
This seems to be software based, as I haven't encountered this on my current CM ROM. And possibly this has been fixed in newer stock software.
Nothing else I've noticed since owning the tablet since April.
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7- is the contrast ratio acceptable? Blacks dark enough?
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Subjective. I'm used to LCDs, so the blacks are dark enough to me, and the colors look realistically vivid. If you are coming from AMOLED, you might feel differently. An LCD will never going to meet the infinite contrast ratio of AMOLED.

@redpoint73
Thankyou.
I should have termed it better. I didn't mean lag but delay and lack of fluidness. You phrased it perfectly.
Like you said, other than the tegra k1 sheild I doubt that any device is "future proof". What I meant was that if it is capable of running modern games maxed out. Obviously better games with higher demands will come but for the moment this will probably be sufficient. What worries me is the resolution. It's far greater than 1080p and I was worried if the adreno could handle games as they grew more demanding.
The contrast on my xperia P is terrible ( whites are 900 nits. Figure the blacks.) and at the moment any display would look darker. As this is my first tablet I didn't have anything good to compare it to (other than an android 1.5 tablet ). So I hoped that someone with past experience could tell me better.

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I should have termed it better. I didn't mean lag but delay and lack of fluidness. You phrased it perfectly.
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"Lag" is as good a term of it as any. I just wanted to clarify to anyone that has not witnessed it firsthand, it just a lack of fluidity, and not like you are staring at screens loading for seconds on end, or anything like that.

@redpoint73
I pretty much expected that. One more question. How long does is take for the screen to turn on after pressing the power button?
My father owns a galaxy s3 and turning on the screen takes about 2 seconds. On my xperia P it's instant. I'm guessing it's something to do with touchwiz.

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My father owns a galaxy s3 and turning on the screen takes about 2 seconds. On my xperia P it's instant. I'm guessing it's something to do with touchwiz.[/QUOTE]
Actually seemed pretty instantaneous on TouchWiz. I've been on CM for a few weeks now, so that's just by memory. Actually, its a bit slower on CM, but still not 2 seconds. Maybe 1 second.
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I'm thinking about getting a tab pro 8.4 WiFi only (320) and have a few questions.
1-just how laggy is touchwiz. This is my first samsung and have no experience with touchwiz. Does the general ui lag when switching between homescreen pages or moving through apps.
2- does resolution greatly affect the graphic performance. My existing phone (xperia P) can't handle heavy game's or websites. I need to know if the gpu is any good or not. Does it run dead trigger 2 on ultra high smoothly or asphalt 8 maxed out smoothly?
I need something to last me a few years.
3- is web browsing smooth?
4- is 2 gb ram sufficient? Are there too many redraws?
5- how bad are the WiFi signal drops. I live in a small apartment so this does not matter much.
6- any other flaws I should be worried about? Over heating etc.
7- is the contrast ratio acceptable? Blacks dark enough?
I couldn't find conclusive answers to these on the web and hopefully this will help future buyers. (including me )
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1) The first TW was soo laggy but it did two updates and seems okay now but I still plan to root/get CM11
3) Web browsing seems fine to me
4) Screen is fine - probably comparing to Super AMOLED like on the Tab S it may not be as good but it's as good as any other tablet out there if not better with the high screen res

@acasserole
How about gaming. Does it run asphalt 8 on ultra high smoothly?

Gaming Phone Hype

So i have been using my ROGPHONE 2 (12/512) for almost 1 month now. Getting ready for Diablo Immortal to launch(been 2 years and still not launched) Played CODM, Ragnarok M, Temple Run 2, PVZ 2, NFS, Asphalt, Jurassic World and the list goes on.
And recently i bought a $200 Nintendo Switch Lite for the sake of Diablo 3 Eternal Collection and for the sake its only $200.Im a huge Diablo fanboy. And turns out "Console" is still better than "Smartphones".
My point is whats with this Gaming Phone Hype? Best benchmark bla bla bla. My ROGPHONE 2 at times stutter while playing games. Whereas my Switch Lite dont.
Yes i know its better to have 1 device which can do all rather than have multiple devices. But the differences is outrageous. How can a $200 Console do better than a $900 "Gaming" Smartphone?
*im not mentioning the games available for console vs mobile*

Dedicated gaming consoles with built in fan are very different from mobile phones with gaming features. The first one usually does better at gaming. It is supposed to. It is the only thing that it is made for with all devs focusing on just one hardware. On mobile phones however, you have hundreds of different hardwares with limited thermal envelope. I'd be very interested to see a gaming video comparison between your note 10+, rog 2 and P30 pro..

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Dedicated gaming consoles with built in fan are very different from mobile phones with gaming features. The first one usually does better at gaming. It is supposed to. It is the only thing that it is made for with all devs focusing on just one hardware. On mobile phones however, you have hundreds of different hardwares with limited thermal envelope. I'd be very interested to see a gaming video comparison between your note 10+, rog 2 and P30 pro..
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Between those 3. And lets say CODM. The best is ROGPHONE 2. Why? Because no notch. Yes i can hide the notch but the area near the notch is very unresponsive. I have made many threads about this in AC forums.
But the ROGPHONE 2 section there is dead. That's why im here xD

yes i agree with you. i dont know whats this hype is all about. my main reason why i bought this phone is the battery. and i already knew that mobile gaming sucks. all high end phone sucks at certain point when you play at high settings and its better to buy gaming PC or consoles if you are really on gaming.

weyrulez said:
yes i agree with you. i dont know whats this hype is all about. my main reason why i bought this phone is the battery. and i already knew that mobile gaming sucks. all high end phone sucks at certain point when you play at high settings and its better to buy gaming PC or consoles if you are really on gaming.
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Thank you for not bashing me. I mean even with 1 game installed. It still wouldnt do as good as consoles. People be boasting stuff like BEST GAMING PHONE and so on but its not even gaming... I know i can buy those add ons to have buttons but its gonna cost even way more.
And i know its a smartphone. Supposed to make multiple devices become 1. But i personally have a device for every need. Like an A&K for music, PS4 for games,Mirrorless Camera for photos, Laptop for work and so on.
And not to mention the amount of cash needed to be powerful in mobile games. Pro Non Casher will always lose to Noob Casher. But on consoles its different.
And yes this phone has crazy battery life. Haha. With no games installed I could easily get 2 days of normal usage.

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Thank you for not bashing me. I mean even with 1 game installed. It still wouldnt do as good as consoles. People be boasting stuff like BEST GAMING PHONE and so on but its not even gaming... I know i can buy those add ons to have buttons but its gonna cost even way more.
And i know its a smartphone. Supposed to make multiple devices become 1. But i personally have a device for every need. Like an A&K for music, PS4 for games,Mirrorless Camera for photos, Laptop for work and so on.
And not to mention the amount of cash needed to be powerful in mobile games. Pro Non Casher will always lose to Noob Casher. But on consoles its different.
And yes this phone has crazy battery life. Haha. With no games installed I could easily get 2 days of normal usage.
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Hi guys, I can relate to everything you said and was also thinking about the switch. But as I bought this phone for 500$ it was a no brainier.
The sad state of gaming in Android is not a hardware issue but bad Android OS api implementation. This is supposedly handled in new vulkan api. But the worst problem is the crap state of content, with virtually all games adopting freemium models which kill all games. For some reason people expect to get things for free on mobile and don't want to pay for good games so companies delivered free crap which makes you pay to play. 5,6 years ago there were plenty of good premium games, now they are rare. I'm actually now checking game streaming services.

HermesHidayat said:
Thank you for not bashing me. I mean even with 1 game installed. It still wouldnt do as good as consoles. People be boasting stuff like BEST GAMING PHONE and so on but its not even gaming... I know i can buy those add ons to have buttons but its gonna cost even way more.
And i know its a smartphone. Supposed to make multiple devices become 1. But i personally have a device for every need. Like an A&K for music, PS4 for games,Mirrorless Camera for photos, Laptop for work and so on.
And not to mention the amount of cash needed to be powerful in mobile games. Pro Non Casher will always lose to Noob Casher. But on consoles its different.
And yes this phone has crazy battery life. Haha. With no games installed I could easily get 2 days of normal usage.
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It's all semantics.
Let's grade all the available gaming phones. Is ROG 2 the best among them? If yes then it's obviously the best gaming phone!
Now back to your comparison of gaming phones against dedicated gaming devices and consoles.
That's an unfair and improper way of comparing them. Cos one set of devices is specialised in executing only a single task (playing games) while the other set countless tasks (calls, sms, email, photography, multimedia, data storage, web activity, gaming, navigation, health,l and a ton of other things ranging from controlling your smart home & CCTVs to being used for penetration testing etc).
Maybe that's one of the key factors ??*

I bought the Switch Lite and tried to use it as a phone... oh wait.. its not................................

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I bought the Switch Lite and tried to use it as a phone... oh wait.. its not................................
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The Nintendo Switch Lite wasnt advertised as a phone. Whereas the ROGPHONE 2 was advertised as the best "GAMING" phone. Owh wait, did i get the ads wrong?

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The Nintendo Switch Lite wasnt advertised as a phone. Whereas the ROGPHONE 2 was advertised as the best "GAMING" phone. Owh wait, did i get the ads wrong?
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ROG 2 was advertised as the best gaming "phone", not the best gaming "device" or "handheld".
The games being laggy is the issue of Android itself and not ASUS. ASUS has literally delivered the best gaming "phone" till date. No other "phone" beats it in gaming.

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ROG 2 was advertised as the best gaming "phone", not the best gaming "device" or "handheld".
The games being laggy is the issue of Android itself and not ASUS. ASUS has literally delivered the best gaming "phone" till date. No other "phone" beats it in gaming.
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So Asus should use IOS? You dont get my point...

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It's all semantics.
Let's grade a the available gaming phones. Is ROG 2 the best among them? If yes then its obviously the best gaming phone!
Now back to your comparison of gaming phones with dedicated gaming devices and consoles.
That's an unfair and improper way of comparing them. Cos one set of devices is specialised in executing only a single task (playing games) while the other set countless tasks (calls, sms, email, photography, multimedia, data storage, web activity, gaming, navigation, health,l and a ton of other things ranging from controlling your smart home & CCTVs to being used for penetration testing etc).
Maybe that's one of the key factors ??*
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Yes i know that. And i did try to just use my ROGPHONE 2 for just 1 game which is CODM. And it did stutter. Not often but it does. Many factors can cause the stutter but it does stutter.

Why are we even comparing a mobile device vs a dedicated gaming console in the 1st place ? ?
Rog phone 2 is a great phone simple...
The 120hz AMOLED, 6000mah battery , sd 855+ already won my heart

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Yes i know that. And i did try to just use my ROGPHONE 2 for just 1 game which is CODM. And it did stutter. Not often but it does. Many factors can cause the stutter but it does stutter.
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Maybe the issue is with that game bro, not the phone. Are you using the cooler? If the phone gets too hot then it will throttle both CPU and GPU then gaming performance will decrease for sure, there's no way around that. That's how devices with passive cooling work. But if the phone remains cool then there's no reason for the game to stutter as SD855+ is powerful enough to run any game in the playstore. Unless the game itself is poorly optimized, which is not a sign of a quality triple A game, as it should run fine on much weaker hardware..

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Maybe the issue is with that game bro, not the phone. Are you using the cooler? If the phone gets too hot then it will throttle both CPU and GPU then gaming performance will decrease for sure, there's no way around that. That's how devices with passive cooling work. But if the phone remains cool then there's no reason for the game to stutter as SD855+ is powerful enough to run any game in the playstore. Unless the game itself is poorly optimized, which is not a sign of a quality triple A game, as it should run fine on much weaker hardware..
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I played this game a lot and it never had a stuttered. It is actually one of the better optimised games. In online games, stutters can also be the result of bad network connection.

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So Asus should use IOS? You dont get my point...
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Games on iOS are usually better optimized. Game devs just spend more effort on iOS games because they get more profit from iOS than from Android.
I have a pro max and a rog 2. The pro max will only run heavy games for like 20mins then it will get hot and brightness will go down to 50% or less. That is not a pleasant experience if you're a serious gamer. The iPhone can only hit peak performance for a short time because it is a passively cooled device, despite the powerful hardware.
In short, just use the switch or xbox or Playstation for serious gaming, games are much much more optimized for the hardware there and they are all actively cooled dedicated gaming consoles..

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Yes i know that. And i did try to just use my ROGPHONE 2 for just 1 game which is CODM. And it did stutter. Not often but it does. Many factors can cause the stutter but it does stutter.
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CODM stutters on iOS too - especially with a crappy internet connection. I play CODM on the ROG2, connected to a 5G router and no issues, but when connected to 100mbit HFC broadband connection i get the odd stutter. CODM is smooth 99% of the time for me, so its something beyond the phone thats your issue..
Maybe you should stick to the Nintendo... Sounds like its the only solution for someone like yourself. :good:

Anyone having issues with lag or stutter in game is misidentifying the issue causing the stutter or lag. Or you just can't figure out XMode. This phone is a beast. Thermal throttling isn't an issue. If you're trying to compare a gaming console of any level to a smartphone you probably like to compare apples to oranges too. Why not add gaming PCs to the mix? Understanding the difference in platforms would be a good place to learn why this phone is so amazing, and is cheap for the amount of tech in it, especially when you consider how well it runs heavy games. I can play Classic Matches in PUBG for hours on end and even charge without ever dropping a frame. Show me any other phone in the world besides other 2nd Gen Gaming Phones that can do that.....go ahead, I'll wait..........
Pro Tips: Don't Buy this phone for using as a phone you carry and use as a phone.
Know XMode and set it up for every game.
Use the fan for heavy games, always! (my fan never leaves the phone except for cleaning)
Use the fastest data connection you can for gaming. Lag comes from servers, not this phone. Mobile Data almost always has higher ping than wifi.
If you aren't hyped about this phone you're probably not in to mobile gaming, so why do you even have this phone? Much better phones out there to be just phones. This phone is for playing mobile games.
For reference I played on a Note 9 and an iPhone XS Max before getting this ROG. To say this phone has allowed me to win battles I would have lost on my other phones, would be understating it. This phone is a God at gaming. Can't wait for the ROG 3.
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The state of mobile gaming is getting better all the time. Everyone keeps talking about how terrible it is. Yeah so terrible the two biggest games in the history of the world are both mobile games. You can combine all the rest of the gaming platforms and still not get close to the active daily player base of mobile and it's most popular games. So keep being snooty about gaming superiority, and I'll keep laughing all the way to the bank. Mobile is the future of all tech. If you can't, won't, or don't see that then all I can say is have fun stuck in the past. Not everyone can afford computers and consoles and cameras and TVs. But you can get all that in one device that also makes phone calls and most people can afford one, so do the math, it's pretty simple. Player base numbers alone make mobile the superior platform. Those numbers already working to continue to take out PC and Console hardware gaps and limitations. Pushing phones to be capable of more and more. Will phones ever be as capable as something with a large die cast for processors? No. More room is always better. But the gap will be so small some day soon you'll have one game released for all platforms. Wait, that already happened like two years ago. Only a matter of time before they all do.
I sold my XBox One X to convert to mobile gaming all the time. Because I see the future of gaming and mobile tech all colliding and the lines between platforms being blurred in to non existence(Stadia). We've already seen mobile players beat out console and PC players in Fortnite. How bad is mobile gaming really? I think I've read some of the most biased and uneducated opinions here. Which is sad, this is XDA.
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Been reading the debates. you peeps debating Rog vs switch lite. I feel Nokia 3310 wins here. xD
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Anyone having issues with lag or stutter in game is misidentifying the issue causing the stutter or lag.
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Agree with your point. People are comparing console and phones for no reasons. and yep it is advertised as best gaming phone and it indeed is the best gaming phone.

sinisin said:
Pro Tips: Don't Buy this phone for using as a phone you carry and use as a phone.
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To be honest, I couldn't find a worthy contender to get as a daily driver for the last 2 years. I don't really do gaming on it apart from occasional pubg game, or some emulation. BUT the sheer firepower this phone holds bought me, especially screen+battery+3.5mm jack+front stereo speakers. And I know this phone will easily last me another 3-4years of usage (with occasional battery exchange of course). I considered note10+, but lack of 3.5mm jack and no stereo speakers killed it for me (former nexus6 owner). So You can't tell people not to buy this phone as a daily driver, maaaybe if someone works with a lot of dust this phone might not be the best idea, but there is a fix to that too (basically wrap it around -screen with stretch foil for daily usage - no need to make holes for ports, except if you use the 3.5mm jack)