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[Q] Is 16gig Enough

I see the SGN2 on ATT only has 16g of memory. Should I wait to see if they get devices with more memory? I understand that you cannot really run apps from the SD card. Could some one please shed some light on this for me?

lincman said:
I see the SGN2 on ATT only has 16g of memory. Should I wait to see if they get devices with more memory? I understand that you cannot really run apps from the SD card. Could some one please shed some light on this for me?
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I can't imagine someone having 16G of apps? Matter of faxt 8 gig of apps would be crazy. I have 30 apps on my SGSIII and that is only .7G. Most Apps are only like 10M so it would take 100 apps for 1 G. Id say 16G is plenty. Buy a 64G SD card for all your media files and you should be fine.

16 GB is fine on a phone that allows an external microSD card. Put all your music, photos, videos, etc on the microSD and you'll have 16GB dedicated only for apps.
16 GB on a device that doesn't have an SD slot is okay for people who either don't have much stuff or that store that stuff on a "cloud" service (dropbox, google music/drive, etc) Personally, I don't like the "cloud" idea as it uses up my data allotment.

For the sake of comparison, I have 4 Gigs of music and many apps on my Inspire 4G with 8 GB micro SD Card. 16 GB internal with a 32 GB card will be more space than most people will use.

i actually had to clear out internal space for tomtom maps on my 16gb atrix (no option to use sd card for the maps) ....and i only use internal for apps.
yeah i know there are ways to force apps to sd...but it was causing freezing issues on the atrix...
so yeah, a little disappointed that there isn't a 32gb at launch...cuz in two years apps can just get bigger and bigger....

malinois16 said:
I can't imagine someone having 16G of apps? Matter of faxt 8 gig of apps would be crazy.
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Seen the size of some the newer games yet? 1 or 2gb games will become common soon, especially for FPS and racing games now that the hardware is there.

mr mystery said:
Seen the size of some the newer games yet? 1 or 2gb games will become common soon, especially for FPS and racing games now that the hardware is there.
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Can't you install the APPS on the SD card, just like you can do today?

Was just curious on difference in file size between my ios apps and soon to be android apps. I will compare a couple of other apps later today but if this is the trend I don't think I will have an issue with only 10gb of usable space.
I just compared the original angry birds 2.3.0 and my ios app is 112mb and the play store shows the android version is only 24mb.
Netflix ios 30.3mb and playstore shows the android version at 10mb.

Milkman00 said:
Can't you install the APPS on the SD card, just like you can do today?
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No, something to do with changes google made after ICS. I'm told titanium backup works, can't confirm til I get mine next Tuesday.

mr mystery said:
No, something to do with changes google made after ICS. I'm told titanium backup works, can't confirm til I get mine next Tuesday.
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I have Jellybean on my Samsung Epic 4G (2+ year old device), running CM10, and it can move stuff to the SD card.

Pop a 64GB microSD card in there. Problem solved.

Milkman00 said:
I have Jellybean on my Samsung Epic 4G (2+ year old device), running CM10, and it can move stuff to the SD card.
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There is a post in the International version threads about it, something with JellyBean and the way the Note 2 is partitioned.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1951536&highlight=apps

mr mystery said:
There is a post in the International version threads about it, something with JellyBean and the way the Note 2 is partitioned.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1951536&highlight=apps
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wow. That concerns me greatly.

For me 16GB is not enough for main memory. I have a 32GB SD card but unfortunately on the S3 and presumably the Note 2 App2SD won't work. So all you are left with is 16gb to install all your apps, which is really like 11GB useable. Well if you want to play games on your phone (I have been) a lot of these bigger games are each 1GB or larger!! I just Bards tale and that had an option to install 3.5GB!! So for me I have to say my next phone needs to have at least 32GB or larger especially if App2SD can't get working right. I was really hoping the Att GN2 would come in 32 and 64GB flavors.

1 guy posted in the thread I pasted that Titanium backup moves Apps to the SD without issue. I get mine Tuesday I'll be trying it first thing. If it doesn't work I'll have to return it, 10Gb is not enough for Apps now and future.

lincman said:
I see the SGN2 on ATT only has 16g of memory. Should I wait to see if they get devices with more memory? I understand that you cannot really run apps from the SD card. Could some one please shed some light on this for me?
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My main concern regarding the memory configuration is that I thought I read somewhere in the forums that internal memory has faster access than the SD card expansion memory. My current Galaxy Note is using a 16g internal memory configuration with a 32g Class 10 SD card. I was hoping to go for the 32g option for internal memory if it was going to be made available but maybe the speed benefit isn't that great.
When looking at the pre-order options, I only see the 16g model and it doesn't offer the white version that is listed on Samsung's site! I'm not sure if I should wait a little longer or just dive in now!

Learic said:
My main concern regarding the memory configuration is that I thought I read somewhere in the forums that internal memory has faster access than the SD card expansion memory. My current Galaxy Note is using a 16g internal memory configuration with a 32g Class 10 SD card. I was hoping to go for the 32g option for internal memory if it was going to be made available but maybe the speed benefit isn't that great.
When looking at the pre-order options, I only see the 16g model and it doesn't offer the white version that is listed on Samsung's site! I'm not sure if I should wait a little longer or just dive in now!
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I'm in the same boat, I would like to get a White 32gb version but I read AT&T is only getting the 16GB and only have grey for now. I'm not sure if I can wait until the white one comes out or not.
16gb isn't going to be enough for me but I do have a 64gb sdxc so I'll just make due.

mr mystery said:
1 guy posted in the thread I pasted that Titanium backup moves Apps to the SD without issue. I get mine Tuesday I'll be trying it first thing. If it doesn't work I'll have to return it, 10Gb is not enough for Apps now and future.
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I have Titanium Backup, I don't see any option to move to sd. Anyways I doubt it would work because Samsung did their storage differently with the ExtSdcard vs what it used to be.
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You can always root the device & install the mod that swaps the internal sdcard with the ExtSdCard.
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jev3gs said:
I have Titanium Backup, I don't see any option to move to sd. Anyways I doubt it would work because Samsung did their storage differently with the ExtSdcard vs what it used to be.
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TiBu definitely has the option to move apps to SD. Look under Batch.
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When are they going to release the 64 GB Galaxy Note 2 ?

When are they going to release the 64 GB Galaxy Note 2 ? At least when Apple say that there is a 64 GB version, we actually see it in real life.
If Samsung is not going to release it, why even announce that there is a 64 GB version. Samsung may as well say that there is a 16/32/64/128/256 GB version of the Galaxy Note 2 during its event to make it look good.

Gn2 forums state Samsung isn't going to bother with the 64, and likely focus on the 16 only.
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spycedtx said:
Gn2 forums state Samsung isn't going to bother with the 64, and likely focus on the 16 only.
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Even if you don't believe everything posted in a forum, considering that the 64GB S3s are just now slowly starting to trickle out in Europe, I wouldn't be optimistic on that ever happening.

Wait toss doesn't have 64? Kidding, but maybe the onboard chip coukd be removed and replaced with a 64gb model. Couple of guys I work with could do it and they have the tools. Probably safer to put a 64gb class 10 microsd in it. Maybe in a year, after warranty is out, I'll have them take a stab at it.
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spycedtx said:
Gn2 forums state Samsung isn't going to bother with the 64, and likely focus on the 16 only.
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That is why I think Samsung should not announce that there is such a thing as a 32/64 GB version of Galaxy Note originally.

glitchsys said:
Wait toss doesn't have 64? Kidding, but maybe the onboard chip coukd be removed and replaced with a 64gb model. Couple of guys I work with could do it and they have the tools. Probably safer to put a 64gb class 10 microsd in it. Maybe in a year, after warranty is out, I'll have them take a stab at it.
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I would imagine that a class 10 64GB card would not be a good idea as a replacement to the built-in 16GB flash; I think the onboard flash is higher speed than any SD card we would install, even if you could get the Note II's storage controller and such to recognize the new chip properly, and do the connections properly.
Sounds like a cool project nonetheless

Try this, it will switch your external sd card to your internal sd card. So if you have a 64gb card you can essentially have a 64gb samsung note 2.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1981090
This is my thread i've done it, love having the extra space and not worry about running out of space.

playtillyadrop said:
Try this, it will switch your external sd card to your internal sd card. So if you have a 64gb card you can essentially have a 64gb samsung note 2.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1981090
This is my thread i've done it, love having the extra space and not worry about running out of space.
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How are things running? The internal storage on the note 2 is about triple the speed of an extreme sd card running at 95mb/s. Note 2 internal read write is just over 220 mb/s. If you use a class 10 sd card, those are only 25-30mb/s. If your playing games with huge loads like Nova 3 or move huge amounts of video/photos, it's likely going to take a huge hit to speed if you use the SD card as internal storage.
It's like desktop PCs - many people use smaller ssds for the OS and the bigger but often slower drives for heavy storage. In this case then internal is like an ssd and the SD card is like a data drive.
Can you compare the transfer rate while moving a big video to and from the internal memory compared to moving the same video to the SD card mounted as the internal drive? Curious as to your results.
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Earthbrain said:
When are they going to release the 64 GB Galaxy Note 2 ? At least when Apple say that there is a 64 GB version, we actually see it in real life.
If Samsung is not going to release it, why even announce that there is a 64 GB version. Samsung may as well say that there is a 16/32/64/128/256 GB version of the Galaxy Note 2 during its event to make it look good.
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Iphone doesn't have ability to add an sd card to expand storage. The note II supports up to 64gb in addition to the built in 16gb. What other phone available has this kind of storage?
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geekasso said:
Iphone doesn't have ability to add an sd card to expand storage. The note II supports up to 64gb in addition to the built in 16gb. What other phone available has this kind of storage?
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My point is not that iphone has better storage or not. What I want to say is Samsung stated that there is a 64 GB version of the Galaxy Note 2 and they don't release it at the same time as the release of the 16 GB. Apple actually release the 16/32/64 GB at the same time.
The funny thing is, Samsung actually can make its own flash memory. It does not have to depend on another company.

Err0xx said:
How are things running? The internal storage on the note 2 is about triple the speed of an extreme sd card running at 95mb/s. Note 2 internal read write is just over 220 mb/s. If you use a class 10 sd card, those are only 25-30mb/s. If your playing games with huge loads like Nova 3 or move huge amounts of video/photos, it's likely going to take a huge hit to speed if you use the SD card as internal storage.
It's like desktop PCs - many people use smaller ssds for the OS and the bigger but often slower drives for heavy storage. In this case then internal is like an ssd and the SD card is like a data drive.
Can you compare the transfer rate while moving a big video to and from the internal memory compared to moving the same video to the SD card mounted as the internal drive? Curious as to your results.
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To be honest i cant tell of any difference in speed in day to day use. Apps load fine and just as fast as the internal sd. The core apps and Stock Rom are installed on the ram, so there wouldnt be any difference really with using the device. As for transferring videos back and forth i haven't really done and tests, but than again i would always store larger media files on the 64gb sd anyway. I do highly recommend this mod especially for someone looking for more capacity. i had this mod on my gs3 and no problems then, and i have no problems now. If anyone is holding out for the 64gb note 2 just look at the gs3 situation. You have to remember you arent removing the internal sd they are just swapped for each other in the OS. So the internal is now the external. Both are accessible just like normal.

I'm running a 64GB microSDXC and it's just fine and dandy. I agree they shouldn't announce it and then not have it available though.

playtillyadrop said:
To be honest i cant tell of any difference in speed in day to day use. Apps load fine and just as fast as the internal sd. The core apps and Stock Rom are installed on the ram, so there wouldnt be any difference really with using the device. As for transferring videos back and forth i haven't really done and tests, but than again i would always store larger media files on the 64gb sd anyway. I do highly recommend this mod especially for someone looking for more capacity. i had this mod on my gs3 and no problems then, and i have no problems now. If anyone is holding out for the 64gb note 2 just look at the gs3 situation. You have to remember you arent removing the internal sd they are just swapped for each other in the OS. So the internal is now the external. Both are accessible just like normal.
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I ran this mod with a 64gb sandisk class 10. Works flawlessly, no difference that I can tell. Its stable and awesome.

eagleis said:
I ran this mod with a 64gb sandisk class 10. Works flawlessly, no difference that I can tell. Its stable and awesome.
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yup the mod is definitely awesome, seriously have to love the xda developers and what they can accomplish on android.

So no issue with game speed? I had to uninstall about 4 games cause my memory was down to 1.65gb. This is the only reason I am thinking of really rooting right now
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Maybe they'll release a 64GB when this is ready
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/15/samsung-10nm-64gb-emmc-mobile-flash-memory/
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ratchetjaw said:
So no issue with game speed? I had to uninstall about 4 games cause my memory was down to 1.65gb. This is the only reason I am thinking of really rooting right now
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seriously no game speed difference at all. Everything works flawlessly.

playtillyadrop said:
seriously no game speed difference at all. Everything works flawlessly.
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Great to hear. Will root mine and do this once this 64gb class 10 card I ordered is in. Have a32 in now so will just wait
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Use EXTERNAL SD, do not rely on internal storage!
Earthbrain said:
When are they going to release the 64 GB Galaxy Note 2 ? At least when Apple say that there is a 64 GB version, we actually see it in real life.
If Samsung is not going to release it, why even announce that there is a 64 GB version. Samsung may as well say that there is a 16/32/64/128/256 GB version of the Galaxy Note 2 during its event to make it look good.
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You should never be worried about the internal memory size - even 8GB should be enough, AS LONG AS the phone comes with EXTERNAL SD CARD SLOT WHICH ACCEPTS LARGE SD CARDS. Having the external SD card is NOT necessarily about expanding your storing capacity (although a 64GB does that generously) but rather about having your information safe, significantly less prone to accidental formatting/erasing. Most of the time when you do a factory reset your internal storage is also formatted - do you want that to happen when you stored tons of important information? Of course not!! Worried about read/write speed? Buy a high quality, class 10 external SD card and I promise you won't see any drop in speed. Only use the internal storage for files that the system really looks for and requires to be placed inhere - otherwise, EVERYTHING else, especially large media files, backups and personal files should be kept onto the EXTERNAL SD Card. There are tons of advantages doing so and all those messages companies like Apple, HTC (newly adopted this stupid model), or others alike who try to influence and convince you that external SD cards are obsolete & cloud storage is better, all that is simply marketing BS. Buy Samsung because they didn't aligned themselves to the BS, because you can have a super generous 16GB internal storage and up to 64GB external storage. Do you need more than 80GB on the go? Then reconsider...really! Maybe you shouldn't download all the internet today, leave some for tomorrow when they'll make you pay for all that "free" cloud storage that you kept cramming onto today. Be open minded, understand how things work and do what's good for YOU not for the big corporations!

Several game loft games and the internal storage is gone... some people do that ya know
And most people dont know about all the hacks to get around this limitation.
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[Q] How are you getting by on space with the 16 GB model?

I generally buy tablets with at least 32 gb. I bought the iPad Air with 64 because I learned my lesson with the iPad 2 and filling it up.
When I went to Best Buy to pick up a Note 10.1 2014, they only had the 16 gb model. I could have waited, or picked it up somewhere else, but I wanted to take advantage of Best Buy's financing (18 months no interest) and I hate waiting for things.
After installing all of my apps and downloading the data for them, I have about 6 gb left. The problem is, I read a lot of comics. A typical comic in the Comixology app will run you about 100 mb or so. I delete many of them when I have read them, but I fall behind on my reading fairly regularly and accumulate quite a few. I also have a lot of articles in Pocket that I'm behind on and that takes about 600 mb.
Apps to SD is a myth on Samsung devices. I have confirmed that when you move an app to SD, it just moves it to a folder called "emulated" and really doesn't free up any space. Add to that that Pocket's "store cache on SD" feature isn't working and Comixology won't store comics on the external SD and I can basically only use the SD card slot for movies and music. So, I'm wodering: Will 16 (9) GB be enough? Or do I need to take this thing back and get the 32 gb model?
My real question is: How are those of you with the 16 gb model getting by? Is your internal space filled up? Are you wishing you had the bigger model?

Ive had other tabs that were 16g and as long as I was mindful of where I stored my books and photos I never ran inyo problems. I also make sure my email only syncs 5 days. With my work and personal accounts I get way to many. For reading I use Moonreader because unlike aldiko it doesn't force me to put my books on the device. Hope this helped
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rockjock2020 said:
Ive had other tabs that were 16g and as long as I was mindful of where I stored my books and photos I never ran inyo problems. I also make sure my email only syncs 5 days. With my work and personal accounts I get way to many. For reading I use Moonreader because unlike aldiko it doesn't force me to put my books on the device. Hope this helped
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I have had 16 GB tablets as well, but they generally have much more of that 16 gb available. All of the touchwiz and SPen features leave us with just over 8 GB on this thing. There's also the issue that, if we fill it up completely, it will hurt performance. So we really only have about 6-7 total out of the box.
I'm taking it back and getting the 32GB model. I love the tablet, but I need internal space.

greyhulk said:
I generally buy tablets with at least 32 gb. I bought the iPad Air with 64 because I learned my lesson with the iPad 2 and filling it up.
When I went to Best Buy to pick up a Note 10.1 2014, they only had the 16 gb model. I could have waited, or picked it up somewhere else, but I wanted to take advantage of Best Buy's financing (18 months no interest) and I hate waiting for things.
After installing all of my apps and downloading the data for them, I have about 6 gb left. The problem is, I read a lot of comics. A typical comic in the Comixology app will run you about 100 mb or so. I delete many of them when I have read them, but I fall behind on my reading fairly regularly and accumulate quite a few. I also have a lot of articles in Pocket that I'm behind on and that takes about 600 mb.
Apps to SD is a myth on Samsung devices. I have confirmed that when you move an app to SD, it just moves it to a folder called "emulated" and really doesn't free up any space. Add to that that Pocket's "store cache on SD" feature isn't working and Comixology won't store comics on the external SD and I can basically only use the SD card slot for movies and music. So, I'm wodering: Will 16 (9) GB be enough? Or do I need to take this thing back and get the 32 gb model?
My real question is: How are those of you with the 16 gb model getting by? Is your internal space filled up? Are you wishing you had the bigger model?
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You can use Folder Mount to move programs to the SD Card too.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.devasque.fmount&hl=en
It works fine on the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition.

Same here thinking of selling my 16gb and get a 32gb. Games alone fills up storage fast. Having an sd car doesnt help either
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Just got a 16GB at Best Buy for the same reason as OP (wanted to use financing, didn't want to wait) - haven't done anything with it yet, but I'm getting more and more nervous that I'm going to run into trouble with the storage space - I expected to be able to move more onto an external SD card, but it sounds like that's not so workable after all?
If I root, I have more options, but I'm reluctant to do that if I don't have to... Anyone else have a similar conundrum?

jimbutsu said:
Just got a 16GB at Best Buy for the same reason as OP (wanted to use financing, didn't want to wait) - haven't done anything with it yet, but I'm getting more and more nervous that I'm going to run into trouble with the storage space - I expected to be able to move more onto an external SD card, but it sounds like that's not so workable after all?
If I root, I have more options, but I'm reluctant to do that if I don't have to... Anyone else have a similar conundrum?
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Not sure if this is an option for you, but I bought the 32 gb model from Newegg with my preferred account. 12 months no payment or interest. And no sales tax unless you live in CA. Taking the 16 back to Best Buy. Better too much space than not enough.
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greyhulk said:
I have had 16 GB tablets as well, but they generally have much more of that 16 gb available. All of the touchwiz and SPen features leave us with just over 8 GB on this thing. There's also the issue that, if we fill it up completely, it will hurt performance. So we really only have about 6-7 total out of the box.
I'm taking it back and getting the 32GB model. I love the tablet, but I need internal space.
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Really? I have over 11 free ... sm-p600. What version you running?
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dr.m0x said:
Really? I have over 11 free ... sm-p600. What version you running?
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So you have the 16 GB and over 11 GB free? That I can live with, and it's about what I would have expected from the OS and bloatware... I can't decide if I want to try fot the 32 or just deal with the 15 (I'm not going to game with it, and movies/media I'd run off the SD card no matter what)...
I'm in a state of acute analysis paralysis! Someone decide for me...

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So you have the 16 GB and over 11 GB free? That I can live with, and it's about what I would have expected from the OS and bloatware... I can't decide if I want to try fot the 32 or just deal with the 15 (I'm not going to game with it, and movies/media I'd run off the SD card no matter what)...
I'm in a state of acute analysis paralysis! Someone decide for me...
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you'e kind of answered it yourself tbh...Gaming will take up the majority of the space of a tablet. Applications are normally around 20mb to a max of 100mb and some rare ones larger. Games on the other hand well the high graphic games anyways are over a 1GB so space would be an issue if you were to play loads of games.
honestly if you have no intentions of gaming 16GB would be plenty for you although if you could afford the 32GB then go for it since its always nice to have loads of space.
Ofcourse only you can really decide but I'm holiding out for a 32GB because I would like to have atleast a handful of 1GB games to keep me busy when I'm at the airport waiting for my flight or on the flight itself.

[Q] Couple of questions about storage on this device prior to purchase

Hi all,
I've been waiting for a 10inch OLED device for a long long time now so very happy when T800 came out.
I live in UK however and they only offer 16GB internal storage. I've been patient waiting for 32GB version but that's wearing thin now.
Some reviews state you can use external microsd card for apps I thought I ask those that have already bought one.
I don't plan on initially rooting it until I've broken it in for few months.
So my question does this tablet allow you to use external sd for apps and apps data without hassle? I've not really used kitkat but Jelly bean made sdcard use such a pain. I know I can use link2SD etc if I root (do they still work on this tab without issue?)
If I install galaxy on fire and a bards tale my internal storage is already full so this issue is really important.
Thanks
Chris

Look at this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/help/write-to-sd-card-issue-t2863936

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Look at this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/help/write-to-sd-card-issue-t2863936
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I saw that already thx.
I more asking if stock build allows moving apps to sdcard without any jiggereypokery

it only moves kb's

Crispy3000 said:
I saw that already thx.
I more asking if stock build allows moving apps to sdcard without any jiggereypokery
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Don't think so, although I didn't try when I wasn't rooted.

Crispy3000 said:
I saw that already thx.
I more asking if stock build allows moving apps to sdcard without any jiggereypokery
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Nope, you will need root.

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Nope, you will need root.
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Thanks. I will try to be patient I think and hold out for the 32GB ver sounds like a lot less hassle.
Is there any model number difference between 16GB/32GB models? So many webshops are not even listing what the internal storage is on a model they are selling.

Crispy3000 said:
Thanks. I will try to be patient I think and hold out for the 32GB ver sounds like a lot less hassle.
Is there any model number difference between 16GB/32GB models? So many webshops are not even listing what the internal storage is on a model they are selling.
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Ok, went to Samsung's site and looked up the 16GB Titanium "S". They list the model as "SM-T800NTSAXAR". I Have The 32gb Titanium. The model number on the box is "SM-T800NTSEXAR". So SEX is good. E may be what designates 32GB in the model number. But, as I understand things, Best Buy has an exclusive deal right now as being the only place that sells the 32GB version???

Crispy3000 said:
Hi all,
I've been waiting for a 10inch OLED device for a long long time now so very happy when T800 came out.
I live in UK however and they only offer 16GB internal storage. I've been patient waiting for 32GB version but that's wearing thin now.
Some reviews state you can use external microsd card for apps I thought I ask those that have already bought one.
I don't plan on initially rooting it until I've broken it in for few months.
So my question does this tablet allow you to use external sd for apps and apps data without hassle? I've not really used kitkat but Jelly bean made sdcard use such a pain. I know I can use link2SD etc if I root (do they still work on this tab without issue?)
If I install galaxy on fire and a bards tale my internal storage is already full so this issue is really important.
Thanks
E restricted to th
Chris
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Chris, the Samsung included My Folders app can read/write to a micro SD card without rooting. There is also a built in function that allows you to move apps to external storage (micro SD card). Plus when you take pictures and you have micro SD card inserted the Tab S will automatically save the pictures to the external storage except for rapid picture mode which needs the fastest storage possible. I've not tried moving an app to external storage but have seen the picture saving work. The only "stock" limitation with external storage is that read/write privileges are restricted to the My Folders app. Alternate file managers (e.g ES File Manager) can read/copy but not write.
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Other than media Its mostly for large game data files. I would not have more than 1 or 2 of these at same time but the available 10GB of internal would not cut it.
Samsung own webshop is awful http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/model/SM-T805NZWABTU
I almost bought one straight away but notice no where on the spec does it mention the size of the internal memory. Almost criminal.
Thanks for the model number just wish the stores listed half of them samsung themselves certainly don't

[Q] Do I need 32G if I'm going to use a microSD?

Looking at a Galaxy Tab S. Is the 32G worth it over the 16G if I'm going to use a large microSD? Does the Tab S allow easy push to the microSD? How large can you use?
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4Nails

You dont really need that huge space just stream music/movies, & upload all your stuff

I think you get like 10 or 12 usable GB with 16 GB.

4Nails said:
Looking at a Galaxy Tab S. Is the 32G worth it over the 16G if I'm going to use a large microSD? Does the Tab S allow easy push to the microSD? How large can you use?
Thanks
4Nails
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I've got a 64gb card in mine (Wifi). You can have music & videos as well as move apps2sd. I'm not always near a wifi hotspot (unless I use my phone) so it's convenient.

Get the 32GB version, or you will regret it. The stock software uses up 9 GB, so right off the bat you only have 7 GB or so to use. You can store all your media on a micro SD card, but not all apps support move to SD. So depending on the apps you use, you can end up with a lot of apps that doesn't support apps to SD.
Edit: after removing some updates for the stock apps I was able to shrink system file size to just 5 GB, so there is 11 GB available.

Unless you get the 32GB at a good price, I would not worry about getting it over the 16GB. With apps like app2sd and Foldermount, you can easily move apps to the microsd card. I have most of mine running off of 64GB microsd just fine. Save your money and put it toward the SD card. Now again, if it's only marginally more, say $50, then I would indeed get it. I know Best Buy only charges $50 more but a lot of deals can be found on the 16GB model making the delta much greater. Shop around, you should be able to get the 16Gb for around $399 or so. Thus wouldn't pay much more for the 32Gb version.

In my experience with many android devices I've never had issue getting the lowest available internal. Have always used microSD to store files and moved apps when possible. My 10.5 and 8.4 both are 16Gb with 120Gb Sandisc uSDs. No issues whatsoever.
(BTW BB often has those uSDs at $99)

MicroSD is great for media files, but the number of apps that support move to SD is limited, so depending on your usage your mileage may vary. I am not saying that you will definitely run out of space if you get the 16 GB

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MicroSD is great for media files, but the number of apps that support move to SD is limited, so depending on your usage your mileage may vary. I am not saying that you will definitely run out of space if you get the 16 GB
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As mentioned, there are a number of utilities out there that will move the apps or large files from them to the SD card (folder mount, Directory Bind, latest apps2sd). I have over 50 games and apps running off my 64GB card. I will mentioned that I believe each of these utilities do require root, thus if you do not plan to root, your options will be limited and probably best to pursue the 32GB. However if you do plan on rooting, then 16GB should not be an issue. Can also remove the undesired apps as well, freeing even more space.

5.0.2 update will also help massively as fixes SD card issues of kitkat.

I hope so too.