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knox and custom roms

Just want to clear a few things, with knox we can root our phones now via 2 methods. One knox free and the other triggers it. Does it even matter really if I don't use knox? Sorry for the question been searching and searching for a solid answer before rooting my note 3. What would cause knox to trigger I want to flash a custom recovery and also custom rom and I bet many users are also confused

Flashing a custom recovery triggers knox. Basically your warranty will be void with no way to reset the knox counter.
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ogxku5h said:
Flashing a custom recovery triggers knox. Basically your warranty will be void with no way to reset the knox counter.
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would a insurance claim work just in case of anything? Will this mess up my phone?

u mean back to tmo? Or replacement? No way to tell, I've sent back rooted phones and nothing happened but I have heard storys.
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I returned one of my two note 3's to TMO for a replacement due to a cosmetic flaw. It was Knox tripped. I had no problems at all. I did unroot and factory reset before sending it in though. replacement shipped same day and arrived the next.
I left my second line Note 3 on top of my car and drove off. It had a Spigen Slim case on it and stayed on top of my car till I had to brake for a yellow light. The phone landed 5-6 feet in front of my car and the screen cracked. This one was Knox tripped also, and I didn't bother unrooting or resetting it. I sent it in on an insurance claim once I received my replacement. They received it already and everything was fine with that one also.
175.00 deductible via Assurant (TMO Jump insurance)
I filed claim in the morning and they processed my claim and shipped same day. Phone was brand new and arrived the following day. I was impressed with the turnaround.

khrizg35 said:
would a insurance claim work just in case of anything? Will this mess up my phone?
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Yes, insurance claim it doesn't matter if it's rooted. Just like how you can take the phone all broken. Insurance and warranty are two different things.
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Please go to the already published thread on any future discussion http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2478391

Progress on the Knox Flag?

right now, is there any way to install a custom rom, recovery or kernel without tripping the knox flag? if not, then wats the progress by the devs to disable the knox flag?

Was just wondering about this myself.

If there were, you wouldn't have to look for the news.

Lol. True.
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Nobody even knows if the KNOX flag CAN be reset. If they're using a small bit of WORM (WriteOnceReadMany) flash, then it's impossible; if not, then there's a chance, even if requires cracking open the phone.

Here is a little bit of news http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2504258
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Isn't KNOX considered like a digital tamper proof sticker on your electronic device, that if broken, product is voided repair?

Sistum Id said:
Isn't KNOX considered like a digital tamper proof sticker on your electronic device, that if broken, product is voided repair?
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It is supposed to indicate if the device is not secure to be used by Knox. It should have no effect on anything else related to the device. If you had a Knox container setup and it is tripped, then the container is flushed and the info is no longer accessible. And you cannot create a new Knox container if the flag is tripped.
Some say they have been unable to get warranty repair if it was void, but every time I have followed up on that, I've not been able to actually hard verify that. Not saying it doesn't happen, but most sources I've seen say they simply don't look for it. Just for physical damage and if the wet detection label has been triggered.

We rooted and voided our warranty. We all way past any type of high horse standards
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nunyabiziz said:
Here is a little bit of news http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2504258
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Good stuff! Completely turn my questioning baout what KNOX really is! Also it looks like Samsung workers are not really into the whole "Extra Security" it "supposed" to provide either.

Really would like to know
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Nothing has been announced.

krelvinaz said:
Nothing has been announced.
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Lol
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Those that signed up for Jump in July

Are you switching to another device in January?
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Idk I'm thinking of paying off this phone and going prepaid, I'm not sure though.

ilogik said:
Are you switching to another device in January?
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I'm gonna switch in February. Im probably going to try either the iPhone or the nexus 5. I need suggestions though please.
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MrPapito429 said:
I'm gonna switch in February. Im probably going to try either the iPhone or the nexus 5. I need suggestions though please.
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Just play with both and see what you like better. Personally I like to use android so I would go with the nexus 5 out of those two.

Wait till March and get the Galaxy S5. That lines you up perfectly for the new phone in the fall, whether thats a nicer android or the new Iphone. To get the most out of this program you have to line it up perfectly.

You mean theres something better? Worthy of throwing 6 months worth of payments down the drain for?

What about the new note? If you're into that.
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Just remember, the Galaxy S5 will be either 4.3 or 4.4 which means Knox
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The Sickness said:
Just remember, the Galaxy S5 will be either 4.3 or 4.4 which means Knox
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Because of knox I most likely look at LG or something else. I have exactly 4 weeks.

The Sickness said:
Just remember, the Galaxy S5 will be either 4.3 or 4.4 which means Knox
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Yeah, but it's going to have a 2560x1440p screen. So tempting, but I don't want to support something like Knox.

If I'm looking to upgrade to the N5 using the Jump program do I have to unroot my S4 to stock for the trade in…does anyone know…?

guerrillastyle said:
If I'm looking to upgrade to the N5 using the Jump program do I have to unroot my S4 to stock for the trade in…does anyone know…?
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You always want to unroot and flash a device back to stock before taking it back to T-Mobile.

If the nexus line had replaceable batteries and an sd card slot I'd pick one up. As they don't i foresee migrating to the S5 sometime after it's released.
There's nothing right now that makes me want to dump my S4...
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Not a big deal.
BoboBrazil said:
Yeah, but it's going to have a 2560x1440p screen. So tempting, but I don't want to support something like Knox.
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Everyone is so up in arms about KNOX, it really is no big deal, if you don't use it, it won't bother you, and if you are savvy, you can get around it. KNOX is needed for many corporations that allow sensitive information to be used on employee's mobile devices. Otherwise if you work in such a company and use any of your own devices and something goes wrong you have to sign a weaver that the company can and will confiscate your device, whether you paid for it or not! Yes, I'm lining up for the next galaxy because every device I have gotten from Samsung has been fast and snappy and very cool. I like being able to replace the batteries and also add different SD cards. SO many companies have removed that ability that it is a shame.

BoboBrazil said:
Wait till March and get the Galaxy S5. That lines you up perfectly for the new phone in the fall, whether thats a nicer android or the new Iphone. To get the most out of this program you have to line it up perfectly.
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Didn't the GS3 get delayed till like June? I bet there will be delays with S5 because of the new display they will "supposedly" use, so if you change your phone now it will line up with a probable June/July release of the S5.

vvveith said:
Everyone is so up in arms about KNOX, it really is no big deal, if you don't use it, it won't bother you, and if you are savvy, you can get around it. KNOX is needed for many corporations that allow sensitive information to be used on employee's mobile devices. Otherwise if you work in such a company and use any of your own devices and something goes wrong you have to sign a weaver that the company can and will confiscate your device, whether you paid for it or not! Yes, I'm lining up for the next galaxy because every device I have gotten from Samsung has been fast and snappy and very cool. I like being able to replace the batteries and also add different SD cards. SO many companies have removed that ability that it is a shame.
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Knox IS a big deal for people who care about their warranty. You cannot (as of today) root without tripping Knox.
There too many "opinions" as to what Knox is for. Some say it won't get checked on warranty exchanges etc. How do you know?
Bottle line, you don't care about warranty, then root a S5 when ya get it .
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I don't waste my money on jump and I keep my old devices because I always get what I paid for them or more.
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If I'm looking to upgrade to the N5 using the Jump program do I have to unroot my S4 to stock for the trade in…does anyone know…?
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I actually just checked on this today. T-mobile employees aren't even trained to check for the Knox fuse, and some don't even know what it is. They told me as long as the phone boots up and is usable it wont be a problem if there is no damage to the device. This information is provided by a manager. However this person did say they trade in rooted phones all the time, so I am better off bringing my Knox blown device into the store rather than doing the exchange by phone/mail.
Of course this is all subject to change at any point if T-mobile decides to instruct their employees to check for Knox. But as of the writing of this message, you're good to go.

I would like to wait and see what the Galaxy s5 looks like. Hoping for a metal body. I wish they would get rid of the home button. LG and HTC are also putting out some nice hardware.

This thread needs a poll! I plan to wait for either S5 or Note 4.
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Triangle away working for Note 3

TriangleAway 3.25 Now Supports Android 4.4 on the Galaxy S 4 and Note 3! http://drippler.com/updates/share/triangleaway-325-now-supports-android-44-galaxy-s-4-and-note-3 Via j.mp/drippler_app
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Hmmmmmmmm
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What's the point of resetting the flash counter when the KNOX e-fuse, by definition, will also be tripped, and can't be reset? None that I can see.

zmore said:
What's the point of resetting the flash counter when the KNOX e-fuse, by definition, will also be tripped, and can't be reset? None that I can see.
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You are right but the fact that chain fire got flash to reset means he still working on it. With the official 4.4.2 coming out he might be able to do Knox reset. Not that it matter cause we will still root.
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But isn't knox motherboard related? The e-fuse
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No app can magically go in to the guts of your phone and fix it lol
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From my understanding it's not an actual efuse, it's electronic, so it can be reset.
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O yea??? Awesome
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Don't quote me on that, I did read it from a pretty credible source here at xda...
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Warrior1975 said:
Don't quote me on that, I did read it from a pretty credible source here at xda...
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Samsung Engineer stated outright that it was a hardware efuse and once blown, that's that. If I were you, I wouldn't hold out hope....

I know what he said but he also works for them. I think someone will find a way to bypass the efuse
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Compusmurf said:
Samsung Engineer stated outright that it was a hardware efuse and once blown, that's that. If I were you, I wouldn't hold out hope....
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And multiple people who had their phones serviced got them back from Samsung Service with the KNOX flag set to 0x0. It's software. It's just very clever software that Samsung won't tell us how it works.

siraltus said:
And multiple people who had their phones serviced got them back from Samsung Service with the KNOX flag set to 0x0. It's software. It's just very clever software that Samsung won't tell us how it works.
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Lol, that just means they got back a refurb that was never tripped in the first place.

Sorry but they can reset the counter, I sent my phone in for repair of bad SD card, knox was tripped and it came back reset, same phone, same serial number and shell.

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Lol, that just means they got back a refurb that was never tripped in the first place.
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And you know this how, speaking with such authority? Do you work for Samsung?

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And you know this how, speaking with such authority? Do you work for Samsung?
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No but doing microsurgery to repair an efuse isn't plausible. The only two choices would be a totally different refurb being sent back or a replaced motherboard if knox wasn't tripped. If the data and serial was all the same (which I honestly have a hard time believing) then that means Samsung had started using data cloning. But that's just far fetched because there's no reason to clone the serial and the data is usually junked and the customer knows this if the device is sent for repair and the repair requires replacement of core components. But anyway, that's just an educated guess. Agree or disagree, it's all good.

Compusmurf said:
Samsung Engineer stated outright that it was a hardware efuse and once blown, that's that. If I were you, I wouldn't hold out hope....
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Samsung also said that the kit kat update did not break 3rd party accessory compatibility (namely sview) but it did, and they knew it, and they got caught in the lie and are pushing a fix to make 3rd party stuff work again... sooooooo... could be the same with the efuse. then again, maybe not, but who knows.

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No but doing microsurgery to repair an efuse isn't plausible. The only two choices would be a totally different refurb being sent back or a replaced motherboard if knox wasn't tripped. If the data and serial was all the same (which I honestly have a hard time believing) then that means Samsung had started using data cloning. But that's just far fetched because there's no reason to clone the serial and the data is usually junked and the customer knows this if the device is sent for repair and the repair requires replacement of core components. But anyway, that's just an educated guess. Agree or disagree, it's all good.
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Uhh... they whole point we're making is that it's NOT an eFuse and that Samsung has a way to reset it. They contradict themselves all the time in their public statements (one department doesn't know what another is doing - completely common in huge corporations, I know, I work for one), so I'm pretty sure they were wrong on that too. Just because Chainfire or others couldn't find a way to reset it themselves doesn't mean a way doesn't exist - we just don't know it.

Look guys, think from an engineering stand point off view. I am a electrical engineer. If I was on samsung enginerring team I would not make knox a efuse when blown you would need to replace a whole mother board or something for a small thing. Samsung knows knox is not for everyone. Therefore I am sure knox thing is resettable and for now samsung only knows how to reset it.
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Look guys, think from an engineering stand point off view. I am a electrical engineer. If I was on samsung enginerring team I would not make knox a efuse when blown you would need to replace a whole mother board or something for a small thing. Samsung knows knox is not for everyone. Therefore I am sure knox thing is resettable and for now samsung only knows how to reset it.
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Let me just work for samsung and find out (joke) lol

atlzonly89 said:
Let me just work for samsung and find out (joke) lol
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Lmao the note 3 looks massive on you
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Just got my replacement phone and....

It unfortunatly came with knox... now what if i dont care to trip knox... will having knox effect the way i glash roms... or can i even flash roms? [Ive searched everywhere for my answer and all i get is mixed answers...] some say i cant flash with knox... others are talking in threads like they tripped knox and flashing roms... HELP PLEASE... thanks in advanceee!
btw from all the reading i ha e done it seems that a "Tripped knox counter" only affects the ppl sending it thru repair and not warrenty... please if someone can shed light on this... again... thanks in advance!
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Knox doesn't prevent you from rooting or flashing ROM.
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Thanks but what about warranty rejecting the phone because of Knox or is it only for repair by the way I'm in New Jersey
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Slicktune said:
Thanks but what about warranty rejecting the phone because of Knox or is it only for repair by the way I'm in New Jersey
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Your warrenty (The phone no longer powers on, send me a new one) is voided by tripping Knox.
Your insurance (The $9 a month you may or may not pay for damage or loss) is not voided.
Please search next time. There are literally 30 threads asking this exact question. Searching avoids filling up the forum with repeated questions, which makes finding unique questions more difficult.

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Knox doesn't prevent you from rooting or flashing ROM.
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Opps but ive updated to tmobile stock 4.4.2... does this mean i cant root? ive searched everywhere for the answer but it seems like ppl just started updating....
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Skipjacks said:
Your warrenty (The phone no longer powers on, send me a new one) is voided by tripping Knox.
Your insurance (The $9 a month you may or may not pay for damage or loss) is not voided.
Please search next time. There are literally 30 threads asking this exact question. Searching avoids filling up the forum with repeated questions, which makes finding unique questions more difficult.
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The warranty is not voided if you void Knox I did and I was running custom u sent mine in after it broke and they sent me a new one because it was still under warranty
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spyke1999 said:
The warranty is not voided if you void Knox I did and I was running custom u sent mine in after it broke and they sent me a new one because it was still under warranty
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Let me rephrase that...
Tripping knox is SUPPOSED to void your warrenty. Many people are finding that Samsung/T Mobile aren't properly checking the Knox status with a warrenty claim and are honoring the warrenties anyway. But it's not a guarentee.

Skipjacks said:
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Tripping knox is SUPPOSED to void your warrenty. Many people are finding that Samsung/T Mobile aren't properly checking the Knox status with a warrenty claim and are honoring the warrenties anyway. But it's not a guarentee.
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I hear that tmobile doesn't care much seems it's more of a Samsung thing
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spyke1999 said:
I hear that tmobile doesn't care much seems it's more of a Samsung thing
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T Mobile is going to care once Samsung stops saying Knox tripped phones back from T Mobile. Remember, it's not T Mobile that is repairing the borken devices are reselling them as refurbished. Samsung is still doing that. T Mobile just asks as a middle man in that process. The warrenty is still Samsung's. And when Samsung tells T Mobile they won't accept any more knox tripped phones, T Mobile is going to start checking more closely.
That said, the warrenty is still invalid per the user agreement with Knox tripped. T Mobile could decide tomorrow or 6 months from now to start checking. If they do they are well within the law to deny a warrenty claim on a knox tripped phone. Just because they are ignoring it now doesn't mean they have to.

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T Mobile is going to care once Samsung stops saying Knox tripped phones back from T Mobile. REmember, it's not
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That will suck
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Slicktune said:
Opps but ive updated to tmobile stock 4.4.2... does this mean i cant root? ive searched everywhere for the answer but it seems like ppl just started updating....
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No?
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As of right now no.
There will need to be a new modified tar image or other loop whole to get root.

How To Root M919UVUFNB4 Android 4.4.2 KitKat On T-Mobile Galaxy S4 SGH-M919
http://true-android.blogspot.com/2014/03/root-m919uvufnb4-t-mobile-galaxy-s4.html

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How To Root M919UVUFNB4 Android 4.4.2 KitKat On T-Mobile Galaxy S4 SGH-M919
http://true-android.blogspot.com/2014/03/root-m919uvufnb4-t-mobile-galaxy-s4.html
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I love you... youre my hero... lol thanks
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Slicktune said:
I love you... youre my hero... lol thanks
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You're very welcome! If I were you though, I would wait and see that it is a confirmed "working" method. So many variables involved, like KNOX, better to be safe than sorry.

I have a friend that manages tmobile. He said that mobile CANNOT refuse an issured costumer. Because there is signed documents before Knox was even in the picture... If someone tries to refuse it. Tell them to show you some type of paper work that you have signed that says so. Or ask them to pull up your original. Contract/ or the insurance rules from day one.
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I have a friend that manages tmobile. He said that mobile CANNOT refuse an issured costumer. Because there is signed documents before Knox was even in the picture... If someone tries to refuse it. Tell them to show you some type of paper work that you have signed that says so. Or ask them to pull up your original. Contract/ or the insurance rules from day one.
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And if that doesn't work, you can call the Insurance Commission in your state. Every state has one. They regulate ALL insurance matters.
The T Mobile insurance is just a normal property and casualty policy. Insurance commissions do not play around and they have absolute authority in a state to force an insurance company to pay a claim if you can prove they have no valid reason to deny it.
I am a licensed insurance rep in several states and I have dealt with insurance commissions all over the country. So I am absolutely positive about this. Every state has a process to dispute a denial for any policy, no matter how small.
All that said, I doubt you would ever have to fake it that far. Especially since the policy covers loss as much as damage. If they did deny the claim, just lose it and file the claim as a loss.
Now the warrenty is a whole different animal that is covered very differently. All different rules and hardly any governmental protections.
Sent from your phone. You should be more careful where you leave that thing.