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Looks like they found a way to root the Note 3 without triggering the Knox flag. Hopefully those guys will release this method for T-Mobile.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2474422
It may have some thing to do with that, they still have a locked bootloader. So they dont have any working recovery yet. Only have root.
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Looks like they found a way to root the Note 3 without triggering the Knox flag. Hopefully those guys will release this method for T-Mobile.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2474422
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shin lucifer said:
It may have some thing to do with that, they still have a locked bootloader. So they dont have any working recovery yet. Only have root.
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I believe this is correct, rooting a device and flashing custom firmware is completely different.
I wonder if only root will be available for us as well,I'm interested in not loosing my Knox warranty. But root would help for greenify and xposed modules.
EDIT: are we able to keep a valid Knox warranty by only installing root and not installing any custom recovery? (TWRP, CWM) has anyone tried this?
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GHOSTIVVI said:
I wonder if only root will be available for us as well,I'm interested in not loosing my Knox warranty. But root would help for greenify and xposed modules.
EDIT: are we able to keep a valid Knox warranty by only installing root and not installing any custom recovery? (TWRP, CWM) has anyone tried this?
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I dont think so. Because we are starting with unlock BL to being with. So the system that is rooting the device take advantage of it, which automatically trips Knox. That's just me conjecturing.
Just wait abit, the phone just came out. I am sure some one will figure out what/how is knox working exactly. Also if you worried about warranty there are plenty of 3rd party warranties available.
Am I the only one who doesn't give a flying fig about Knox? I'm not using it. I have no use for it. Unless I missed something about Knox, it's nothing more that a security protocol that protect business apps on a device. Why would you care if you tripped it if you're never going to use it?
dkb218 said:
Am I the only one who doesn't give a flying fig about Knox? I'm not using it. I have no use for it. Unless I missed something about Knox, it's nothing more that a security protocol that protect business apps on a device. Why would you care if you tripped it if you're never going to use it?
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I am with you
dkb218 said:
Am I the only one who doesn't give a flying fig about Knox? I'm not using it. I have no use for it. Unless I missed something about Knox, it's nothing more that a security protocol that protect business apps on a device. Why would you care if you tripped it if you're never going to use it?
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I am with you
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I think the warranty getting void is the problem for some. Not having an option to go back so you can use the warranty is the problem. So if some thing go wrong people can't use Company warranty because they will know thanks to Knox B.S. And can refuse any help/repair.
I have heard that only Samsung checks the knox flag, so T-Mobile and asurion are just fine if it is otherwise stock
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I use the phone for work. I need to have Knox in good status
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I hope you're right.
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My understanding is that the current rooting for our phone voids the Knox warranty because it installs a custom recovery. If there was a way to follow similar procedures as the Att variant we could have root with valid knox warranty. Does anyone know if the Att rooting method will also work with the T-Mobile model?
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Does anyone know if the Att rooting method will also work with the T-Mobile model?
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I believe the att version of the Note3 is completely different from the t-mobile version.
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the knox flag is designed to be permanent. There is no way of getting around it, I believe.
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Wait long enough and there will be a counter reset. Lol
I'd love to get this for the T-mobile version - all I want to do is root only so I can change the DPI and use some xposed modules. If I can do this without triggering the Knox flag, that would be great.
I hope a dev out there is willing to look into this.
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Wait long enough and there will be a counter reset. Lol
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Lol I hope so. Chanfire has been saying that it will be a PITA to get a counter reset for Knox warranty since it blows an efuse when flashing anything. He said the binary counter can be reset a little easier, but knox status will already be flagged so binary counter reset won't really make a difference in the long run.
All we need is a way to insert root via adb maybe, without requiring a custom recovery to be installed. This will give us valid knox warranty status and root access. I would love to install titanium backup and xposed with greenify to increase battery and add a few other modifications to this amazing phone.
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Lol I hope so. Chanfire has been saying that it will be a PITA to get a counter reset for Knox warranty since it blows an efuse when flashing anything. He said the binary counter can be reset a little easier, but knox status will already be flagged so binary counter reset won't really make a difference in the long run.
All we need is a way to insert root via adb maybe, without requiring a custom recovery to be installed. This will give us valid knox warranty status and root access. I would love to install titanium backup and xposed with greenify to increase battery and add a few other modifications to this amazing phone.
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just remember efuse has not been confirmed.
if that is the case rooting, then people will fall into these 4 categories.
1. developers
2. rom/mod enthusiast
3. lucky amatuer
4. guy with nice brick needing a new phone
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just remember efuse has not been confirmed.
if that is the case rooting, then people will fall into these 4 categories.
1. developers
2. rom/mod enthusiast
3. lucky amatuer
4. guy with nice brick needing a new phone
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Unfortunately it seems like it's beginning to look more like an efuse...
https://plus.google.com/+Chainfire/posts/LCfF5A9fsTG
Candleclack said:
Unfortunately it seems like it's beginning to look more like an efuse...
https://plus.google.com/+Chainfire/posts/LCfF5A9fsTG
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Yeah, it's unfortunate.
There's actually a big discussion about this over in the S4 forums: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447832&page=46
I myself am luck that I never updated my bootloader or anything, Knox Counter doesn't show on my Bootloader. (I have the T-Mobile S4, by the way, not the Note 3.)
lawalty said:
I believe the att version of the Note3 is completely different from the t-mobile version.
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the knox flag is designed to be permanent. There is no way of getting around it, I believe.
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I think there is a way to root note3 without triggering the Knox just like the att note3. But once Knox is triggered there is no way to go back.
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How can i root my device?
Noob here ty and merry xmass.
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Try this post, easiest way is option 2, after installation, try to update SuperSU from Play Store and you can disable Knox when it asked.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1955423
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How can i root my device?
Noob here ty and merry xmass.
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Please keep in mind that if you already have the factory 4.3 update you already have KNOX. If you root you flash custom firmware onto your device you will hit your KNOX warranty counter and at this time there is no way to reset it. Just looking out for you since I did not do enough research before updating and am stuck with no warranty. Good luck.
i already tripped my knox.
Sad day man. I tripped mine yesterday knowing what would happen. I just couldn't stand having stock firmware anymore. Running SlimKat now and loving it. Hopefully our wonderful devs figure out how to get past this.
The sad thing about Knox tripping is that it actually diminishes functionality.
The old flash counter that was there before merely told Samsung that you have been messing with the device. Tripping the Knox counter removes potential functionality from the device. If at some point in the future you do need it, you are out of luck.
I understand the rationale behind doing it that way. It doesn't mean I have to like it...
Hastily spouted for your befuddlement
Knox is nothing more than Sammys new way of saying you unlock its yours but your warranty is gone. I hope the great minds here on xda figure out a way to reset the knox counter but Sammy obviously threw a ton of resources into this.
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So I assume that Knox is part of the new bootloader? And replaces the old flash counter?
So i've been doing some research and RLDV clearly can achieve root without tripping the flag. But it seems too messy for me and I really dont want to be assed to download so many things. I hear about Kingo and was curious if this was useable to achieve root as well and not trip the knox flag?
Furthermore, I read somewhere that it's actually possible to flash SafeStrap and not trip knox flag? anybody have more information on this?
I just used Kingo, one program to download, it probably downloads extra files automatically (it's multi device) and I have root, pretty much painless. I'm assuming Knox flag is not tripped, but I'm too lazy to look for info how to check, since it would be too late now to do anything anyhow. Surprisingly it did not work with my older back up phone GS3, updated to 4.3, Knox included. Kingo will also unroot your phone as well with one click. Can't help with Safestrap, as I just wanted to remove region lock and kill some bloatware.
kingo will NOT trip Knox. and it's painless to do. download app on the pc, connect your device, click a couple times, instant root. nothing else changes
From my understanding it is not the root that trips knox counter it is when you put a custom recovery on
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keithrich1990 said:
From my understanding it is not the root that trips knox counter it is when you put a custom recovery on
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some rooting methods will trip Knox. for example Chainfire's method will trip Knox. Kingo wont
thanks guys. Would anybody know about Safestrap by chance? I can't locate the thread I once saw regarding it
This was a thread on the Kingo method on I believe the Note 3 general board that got closed by the mods because they wanted to look into the software more.
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thanks guys. Would anybody know about Safestrap by chance? I can't locate the thread I once saw regarding it
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Go check the AT&T note 3 forum for info on safe strap
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I'm coming from a Nexus 10 which is dying soon (bad motherboard) and was looking at getting a Wifi 32gb Note 10.1. But I have a few questions for the seasoned pros here :cyclops:
How smoothly does the Note 10.1 run on the latest firmware? (I'm assuming Kitkat)
If the stock firmware isn't silky smooth, is there anything I can do to fix it?
Are all the HMP problems with the Exynos 5420 fixed yet?
Any way to root the tablet without voiding warranty?
loooller said:
How smoothly does the Note 10.1 run on the latest firmware? (I'm assuming Kitkat)
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smooth. have noticed no hangups or stutters or anything like that — i gotta say that TouchWiz in KK has been much less crappy than i thought it would be. YMMV depending on your apps. that said, i'm coming from an Asus TF700, which was a complete POS, and the Note 10.1 (2014) has been a dream in comparison.
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If the stock firmware isn't silky smooth, is there anything I can do to fix it?
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install Apex (what i did) or Nova as your launcher. and/or root and freeze apps via Titanium.
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Are all the HMP problems with the Exynos 5420 fixed yet?
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they weren't problems so much as frustrations that Samsung decided in its wisdom not to enable it for this tablet. it runs fine out of the box with KK without HMP.
Oh and will rooting void the warranty?
Yes. Rooting will cause the KNOX bit to change. KNOX bit is detecting any non KNOX kernels. And once you do that, it fires.
But we are still not sure whether it will cause warranty issues. IMHO It's just a safe assumption right now. I am happy without rooting my device.
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Oh and will rooting void the warranty?
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No you will NOT trip Knox if you Root,,I'm rooted on my Note 3 and Tab and counter is 0×0
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GalaxyNotesTx said:
No you will NOT trip Knox if you Root,,I'm rooted on my Note 3 and Tab and counter is 0×0
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can you please share the method of rooting our note 10.12014 edition without trippin knox?
For the Sanpdragon variant SM-P605 there is a method called de la vega.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2501700
Reportedly they have been able to do it without tripping the KNOX bit. The method was ported from Note 3 to Note 10.1-14 (605).
But for Exynos variant i.e. WiFi version P600. The method is Chain Fire's AutoRoot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2490805
P.S. This will TRIP the KNOX bit.
STELIOSFAN said:
can you please share the method of rooting our note 10.12014 edition without trippin knox?
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Kingo Root..very easy and works!!
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GalaxyNotesTx said:
Kingo Root..very easy and works!!
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kingo seems indeed very easy. Will it work on MJ9 build without trippin knox? (SM-P605)
I'm asking beacause I was reading that not all fw support it without knox trippin....
thanx
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Kingo Root..very easy and works!!
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Are you saying Kingo Root doesn't trip the Knox fuse? I have been looking hard for a way of doing this and so far seen absolutely nothing, here or anywhere else, to suggest that this is possible. This thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2538345 suggests it doesn't even work much less do so without blowing the fuse.
Please elaborate.
lotus49 said:
Are you saying Kingo Root doesn't trip the Knox fuse? I have been looking hard for a way of doing this and so far seen absolutely nothing, here or anywhere else, to suggest that this is possible. This thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2538345 suggests it doesn't even work much less do so without blowing the fuse.
Please elaborate.
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Hi yes, I have rooted both my devices and can go into download mode and counter says Ox0 ,,the boot loader is locked,,so i am still on stock ROM, I don't have Safe strap on either,,,I really have no need for flashing other Roms since I get 3-4 days of battery out of my Note 3. I believe if you "flash" another ROM its possible it might a e fuse ,,..I could be wrong ..
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Hi yes, I have rooted both my devices and can go into download mode and counter says Ox0 ,,the boot loader is locked,,so i am still on stock ROM, I don't have Safe strap on either,,,I really have no need for flashing other Roms since I get 3-4 days of battery out of my Note 3. I believe if you "flash" another ROM its possible it might a e fuse ,,..I could be wrong ..
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I assumed you have the P600 wifi based on your signature. What KK rom build version you were using when you rooted your device? With the D2(latest) Kingo not even work!! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=53135814 .At this time, there is no way to root the p600 without triping the knox counter.
buhohitr said:
Kingo not even work!! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=53135814 .At this time, there is no way to root the p600 without triping the knox counter.
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This was exactly my understanding as well. I'd love to be able to root mine without blowing the fuse and I don't care about installing a different ROM, I just want root access.
There must be some misunderstanding here because this is literally the only reference I have found on the web in six months of looking, to being able to root a P600 without blowing the fulse.
lotus49 said:
This was exactly my understanding as well. I'd love to be able to root mine without blowing the fuse and I don't care about installing a different ROM, I just want root access.
There must be some misunderstanding here because this is literally the only reference I have found on the web in six months of looking, to being able to root a P600 without blowing the fulse.
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If you read GalaxyNotesTx comment, he mentioned Note 3 instead of Note 10.1...He just confused between his devices! Again, currently no way to root without trip the knox counter.
buhohitr said:
If you read GalaxyNotesTx comment, he mentioned Note 3 instead of Note 10.1...He just confused between his devices! Again, currently no way to root without trip the knox counter.
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You are quite right. That is disappointing but not surprising.
Kingo Root tries to root my 4.3 Note10 but fails.
I had to CF root thru Odin and knox is 0x1.
Kingo Root did root my 4.4 Note3 but knox is 0x1.
Ok, so I was rooted all the way back in Nov 2012 when I got my N2, and have been running mostly AOSP rooms ever since. Last one I had was Liquid Smooth, a 4.4.4 rom, which I was using 3 days ago.
BUT ...
I wanted tap and pay available in Google Wallet and for the life of me, I don't know how to enable it in an AOSP rom. So I went back to stock unrooted, and OTA'd my way up to AT&T stock 4.4.2 which they put out a couple weeks ago. Now Google Wallet tap and pay is up and running nicely.
BUT...
I hate being unrooted. So I want to root again, but now I have Knox, and I want to root without tripping the Knox counter. Trouble is, all the root guides I know about (including the video right here on xda), are two years old, before they had Knox, and so they don't include any steps that I know of to disable the counter.
So, how do I root my 4.4.2 At&t N2 without tripping Knox?
(I'm super bummed nobody has enabled Tap and Pay in a 4.4 AOSP rom).
-Peter
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Ok, so I was rooted all the way back in Nov 2012 when I got my N2, and have been running mostly AOSP rooms ever since. Last one I had was Liquid Smooth, a 4.4.4 rom, which I was using 3 days ago.
BUT ...
I wanted tap and pay available in Google Wallet and for the life of me, I don't know how to enable it in an AOSP rom. So I went back to stock unrooted, and OTA'd my way up to AT&T stock 4.4.2 which they put out a couple weeks ago. Now Google Wallet tap and pay is up and running nicely.
BUT...
I hate being unrooted. So I want to root again, but now I have Knox, and I want to root without tripping the Knox counter. Trouble is, all the root guides I know about (including the video right here on xda), are two years old, before they had Knox, and so they don't include any steps that I know of to disable the counter.
So, how do I root my 4.4.2 At&t N2 without tripping Knox?
(I'm super bummed nobody has enabled Tap and Pay in a 4.4 AOSP rom).
-Peter
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If you got your phone way back when then tripping Knox shouldn't matter as Knox only voids the warranty which would have ended November 2013 assuming you got it November 2012
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Eternalty said:
If you got your phone way back when then tripping Knox shouldn't matter as Knox only voids the warranty which would have ended November 2013 assuming you got it November 2012
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understood. i mostly wanted to know because of my "hacker's heart". IOW, it's more fun/satisfying for me if i can do it without tripping the knox counter.
-peter
pcrussell50 said:
understood. i mostly wanted to know because of my "hacker's heart". IOW, it's more fun/satisfying for me if i can do it without tripping the knox counter.
-peter
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I think as long as you don't do anything to the recovery i think you can root without tripping knox maybe look into it
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Heres this look though this and see what everyone says
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1980644
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Are you saying maybe root without a custom recovery (cwm or twrp)?
Interesting idea. Cant say ive ever heard of a root that does not automatically install a custom recovery. Have yiu?
-Peter
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Are you saying maybe root without a custom recovery (cwm or twrp)?
Interesting idea. Cant say ive ever heard of a root that does not automatically install a custom recovery. Have yiu?
-Peter
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Certainly possible to root without installing recovery or changing any partitions. For instance, on the Galaxy S II, where I'm familiar with things, we use Framaroot with the Aragorn exploit as the rooting method of choice. It installs only Superuser and the SU binary. The Note II is in the list of exynos devices that it will work with, and the exploit would be one of Sam, Frodo, Legolas or Aragorn. Hope this is useful to you.
I just purchased a used Note II for my wife, so I need to be doing some reading to get up to speed on this device. I honestly have no idea yet if rooting would cause you any problems with the knox counter, assuming you are even vunerable to that. So YMMV.
Theres an apk you can get that maybe roots your phone like towelroot.com idk if that will work for the note 2 or not tho
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Certainly possible to root without installing recovery or changing any partitions. For instance, on the Galaxy S II, where I'm familiar with things, we use Framaroot with the Aragorn exploit as the rooting method of choice. It installs only Superuser and the SU binary. The Note II is in the list of exynos devices that it will work with, and the exploit would be one of Sam, Frodo, Legolas or Aragorn. Hope this is useful to you.
I just purchased a used Note II for my wife, so I need to be doing some reading to get up to speed on this device. I honestly have no idea yet if rooting would cause you any problems with the knox counter, assuming you are even vunerable to that. So YMMV.
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I cannot believe it. Creepy! Totally missed all your helpful comments to others in the S2 forums. Glad to have you here.
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